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good evening, everyone. the so-called affluenza killer, 16-year-old from a wealthy family who got probation because the judge was persuaded that being a rich child explains manslaughter. now the law is taking another shop at giving him jail time. breaking news tonight in that war of words between india and the united states. indians are burning american flags. the indian government has stopped protecting the u.s. embassy against possible attacks. believe it or not this international incident started with a nanny in new york. the next thing you know, a diplomat is strip searched and things came unglued. later as a woman comes forward to claim her share of that massive lotto jackpot, two former winners tonight talk about what's in store and why getting rich quick is sometimes no prize. >> we begin with a story we first reported last week that outraged a lot of people. tonight a new development. a new effort to put a killer behind bars. because whatever else you think of ethan couch, he is a killer. four times over. he got drunk, extremely drunk, and rammed his father's pickup into a broken down car on a road in texas in june. he was three times over the legal limit. only in his case at age 16 he a new effort to put a killer behind bars. because whatever you else you think of ethan couch, he is a killer, he got drunk and rammed his father's pickup truck into a car in june. in his case, at age 16 he was not even legal to drink in the first place, he was convicted of manslaughter but sentenced only to probation and rehab and likely going to this $450,000 a year california facility paid for by his family. the judge, buying the psychologist's testimony, agreed that the youth was suffering from something called affluenza, saying that his family had had indulged his behavior, in other the first place. he was convicted of manslaughter but sentenced only to probation and rehab and likely going though $450,000 a year california facility paid for by his family. the judge, buying a psychologist's testimony that
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defense, after he killed four people. >> the primary message has to absolutely be that money and privilege can't buy justice in this country. that it is not okay to drink and drive and kill four people, wound, severely injure another and not have any consequences to that. that is not the american dream that we grow up to participate in. and i -- i just don't understand it. >> well, not many people do. they simply don't understand how getting away with things as a child entitles you as a young adult to not go to prison for killing people. as you will see here, he could barely concede that ethan couch killed four people. >> if you commit a crime, if you kill four people, you can't use that as an excuse, can you? >> no, and the term, when you used the word "killed" and people out in america hears that, it implies there is motivate -- motive, that the
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motive was not good. >> are you saying he didn't murder four people, kill four people? >> yes, he did not murder four people. it is a legal term! >> okay, but he slammed his truck. >> first degree homicide and involuntary manslaughter are different things, anderson. >> he killed four people, yes? >> four people died. >> four people died, he says as if they slipped away quietly at home in their beds, in fact, four people died because ethan couch got drunk, got behind the wheel and killed them. now facing enormous backlash at the sentence, they are trying to put him in connection with the two other people who did not guy in the incident. four people were in the back of the pickup and begged him to slow down reportedly, sergio molina was paralyzed, can only communicate by blinking his eyes. gary tuchman recently spoke with his family. >> tell me about him. >> he was the best, he was that
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kind of boy with a lot of dreams. he was -- well, his first dream was to be a soccer player. he was sweet. i mean, he was -- >> reporter: he is lucky he has you. you need to hear that from people like me, outsiders. do you realize that? >> yeah. >> reporter: he is lucky he has you and his siblings to take care of him, right? >> yeah. >> well, now, sergio and solomon's story will be the focus of the new legal effort. ed lavandera is on the story and joins us now. clearly, the district attorney is looking for any way possible to have couch spend some time in jail here. do people you have spoken with here think that will actually work? >> reporter: well, what the da in ft. worth, texas, is trying to do is get ethan couch sent to jail for the two assault
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charges. they argue what he sentenced him to was the manslaughter charges, so they will try again with this. but many legal analysts say simply this is just a long shot at best. if the judge gave him probation and rehab for four manslaughter charges, how could she go above and beyond that for two lesser charges? >> right is this just a political move from the d.a., just because they got outrage from it, just showing they're trying to do something? >> well, as a matter of fact, the district attorneys in texas and most everywhere else are elected officials so they're very tuned into what people are saying about it. they are clearly angry about the sentence, but they were not happy about the way the sentence came down. they would like to see jail time. so they are going down this avenue now. >> right, they originally argued for a 20-year sentence, that was the maximum that could have been gotten. what about the judge? does she give signs that she is feeling public pressure to change course in any way? >> reporter: not a bit, in fact,
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judges here in texas are elected, as well. but we're told she is not seeking re-election next year. and we've put in numerous calls, cnn has tried for a week to see if she has a comment to explain the rationale behind this, and we have never heard back from her. >> the victims' families have filed lawsuits against the couch family for their son's actions, right? >> reporter: yes. sergio molina's family say they they have a million dollar lawsuit against the couch family. they have already racked none the short time since this accident happened, and he has been comatose, essentially, they racked up more than a million in medical bills in the last several months. and this is the way he will be for the rest of his life so they are looking for money to cover those expenses. >> i want to bring in criminal defense attorney sunny hostin, and mark geragos. do you actually believe the judge's point?
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if the judge gave probation for manslaughter, it seems unlikely she would give lesser time for a lesser offense. >> you have disparity in sentences all of the time. i will tell you, i think this was a gift for this judge. people are calling for her removal. i think she should be removed. this was borderline an illegal sentence, way too legal. the gift the prosecutors are giving her is another shot at getting it right and doing the right thing. mark geragos is never going to admit i said this initially. a creative prosecutor will try to right this wrong. the sentence could have been appealed. the prosecutor's office doesn't think that. but now they're trying to find another way to bring this man to justice. the cure for affluenza is prison time. that is what he should get. he is exposed to three years per intoxication call and that is what he should get. >> mark, do you think this is justice or just politics? >> not just politics, but a
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complete showboat by the prosecution. they have no chance, legally, unless they want to undo years of jurisprudence. all of these actions took place, out of the same act. i hate to use this term. legions of cases, you can't go back and serially prosecute somebody. once he has been sentenced for the same act. they knew about it. as far as this idea, let's get some of our terms straight. first of all, this kid is not eligible for prison. this kid is at most, eligible for the juvenile justice system with a max of three years until he was 19. >> that's right. >> the prosecutor has no ability, as i said before, to appeal this. they're just doing a show boat. >> it is not a show boat, they asked for 20 years. >> plenty of kids, if they have don't have money, they do get sentenced to the juvenile justice system in the state of texas. >> there is no question that he could have been sentenced to the juvenile justice system, that is a given. >> and there are rehab
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facilities in the juvenile justice system? >> yes. although clearly not as good. >> no, there is nowhere near as good. from my standpoint, instead of pillaring this judge, who by all accounts is not a whack job and not somebody outside of the mainstream. i don't know her but -- >> except that she sent a black kid who punched someone, and that person fell and died, she sentenced him to ten years in prison. >> correct. >> ten years in prison, but this kid who killed four people gets off on. >> i could pick judge after judge after judge, prosecutor after prosecutor after prosecutor where there is disparity because of race and means. what i'm telling you is it should be a pivot point for a discussion as to why we don't have the rehab facilities and why we don't have the juvenile justice facilities to handle somebody like this. because i think she looked at the kid and said he wouldn't survive. >> that is ridiculous! who cares if he doesn't survive, mark?
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that is ridiculous! >> why don't we give him the death penalty? >> it is interesting, i have heard a lot of people on the program who are supporting the decision of this judge, concerned about this kid's survive ability in prison. i don't hear a lot of people saying that they're worried about this young african-american and how he will do in prison. >> it surprises me that you say that, mark. the bottom line, the juvenile justice system favors rehab, but not when somebody kills four people. who cares if he doesn't do well in prison? it's supposed to be punishment. >> he is supposed to go to a juvenile justice type facility. the whole idea of juvenile -- the juvenile system is rehabilitation. if you want to put him in prison, you have to make him an adult. that is why we have direct filing. now, when sunny says i'm the one who is not talking about racial disparity. >> we talk about it all the time. >> we talk about it all the time. i'm the one screaming at the top of my lungs saying there is a disparity in the criminal justice system.
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>> well, it is an unjust sentence then. >> it is unjust when you put it side by side with the other kid. but does that mean we're going to go back and throw this kid under the train strak? and if you say who cares, i understand that, then give him the death penalty. >> let us know what you think, follow me on twitter, tweet us using #ac360. and the diplomat's wounded dignity, does her detention and strip search expose a double standard? they're freaking out over it in the embassy, the question is would we be freaking out, too, if another country did that to an american envoy? and also, a hand-picked white house panel says they have not prevented all the nsa collection of megadata has not prevented any terrorist attacks and needs to be reined in. zçjzmó
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breaking news tonight, a
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diplomatic uproar between india and the united states that could be putting american lives at risk. americans lives, india pride and one diplomat's personal dignity. a diplomat was strip searched. a short time ago the u.s. attorney involved in her case tried to tamp down the uproar, which was on display. the american embassy is open to attack, no longer protected by indian security forces, they pulled out. the united states needs to be reminded that india cannot be treated in this manner said one official. they are talking about the strip search of india's deputy counsel general here in new york. more on the breaking news earlier. but first, here is deborah feyerick on how she got here. >> reporter: as she left the mission in new york city yesterday, devanyi khobragrade made no comment, the deputy was charged with making false statements on a visa application
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she submitted on her nanny, the diplomat was arrested at her daughter's school and handed over to u.s. marshals. she was strip searched and put in general population with alleged criminals and was given no special status since the charges related to her personal life and not a diplomatic function. according to her complaint, the nanny says she was to pay $9 an hour, instead, the nanny said it she was paid just over $3 an hour. that amounts to three times less than new york's minimum wage but, however, three times more than the average domestic in india makes. >> the allegations are that the -- dr. devanyi khobragrade lied in order to bring her domestic worker here with no intention of paying the required wages for the hours she requested. our clients who work as domestics are living in the home with their employer. if they leave, they not only leave their legal status they
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leave their only source of income, and the only home they have known in a foreign country. so this is more than a labor dispute. >> once you hand somebody over to the marshal's service, they are being arrested and there is no door for rich people and no door for poor people. everyone is arrested and equal before the law in the united states. >> martina vandenberg has been tracking alleged diplomatic cases for the last decade. >> so what is different, the united states and the department of justice stepped up and took the allegations and investigated them thoroughly and decided they had enough evidence to indict the case. according to the criminal complaint, the 39-year-old devanyi khobragrade agreed to pay the nanny $4,500 a month. but they say that the figure was the diplomat's, not the nanny's. both say that the attempt to solve it was unsuccessful. was this an attempt simply to get a green card?
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>> i think that question has been asked. there are other avenues for immigration relief other than putting yourself into a situation where you're going to be exploited. >> so the u.s. attorney just a few minutes ago, responded to the whole thing. what did they say? >> there was strong language, he said this diplomat was not treated unfairly, in fact, she was treated with a fair amount of deference, when she was strip searched, she was done so by a female deputy marshal. but they say that is not only for her protection but also the protection of other people that she might be put with. so that is just standard procedure. he said she was not arrested in front of her children or handcuffed. she was allowed to make numerous phone calls, including arranged child care. he also said look, you have to focus on the victim, the victim's family has now been brought to the united states. that is because there was retaliation against the family.
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the legal proceedings had started in india, in addition, the family was trying to get her to return back to the country where really she would have no legal rights. also, just keep in mind that khobragrade coerced the nanny to sign a second document after she had successfully gotten a visa. so while the nanny agreed to be paid new york's wage $9.75, her employer forced her to sign a document saying she would agree to $3.33 an hour, so very different, that is where the fraud comes in. and that is where these charges against this diplomat happened. >> thanks, deborah. late today we learned that secretary of state kerry spoke with the indian adviser, expressing regret. we mentioned security being pulled from the u.s. embassy in
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dell del -- delhi. and this incident has evoked a lot of reaction, i heard one administrator saying they should arrest the same-sex marriage partners because homosexuality is now illegal there. >> reporter: that is right, a member of the opposition made that comment a day or two ago because really, there is such outrage in india over the way the diplomat was arrested in new york. the way that she was arrested, you know, during a school run and the strip searching. that has really, really upset people over here. people here, the government has called the incident barbaric, and even the indian prime minister who is usually very careful with his words, he is a mild mannered man, even he spoke out calling the incident despicable and deplorable. so yes, a huge amount of outrage, now, is india retaliating? yes, they have introduced a number of measures. for one, they have taken away the identity cards issued to consulate staff here in india. what it basically means is
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they're stripping away some of the diplomatic privilege some people enjoy, such as access to airport lounges. as you mentioned earlier, anderson, they have removed some of the concrete barriers outside the u.s. embassy here in new delhi. they say they removed it because it was just a friendly courtesy, never a diplomatic requirement. it insists that all u.s. embassy staff members are safe. >> molica, appreciate the update. thank you for being with us tonight. with us tonight is the representative on indian council. he writes for a newspaper. you're upset with the way the diplomat was treated. you say it is a classic case of double standard when it comes to u.s. diplomacy. what do you mean by that? >> well, it is a simple thing, when americans are serving abroad as diplomats, they expect a certain level of treatment.
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and they insist on it. and when they get into trouble with local laws, they are treated very differently. sometimes they are whisked out of the country, even when they have been involved in really serious crimes. so but when it comes to diplomats from other countries, they seem to be very helpless and they say it is our law. >> to compromise, though, the security of the u.s. embassy in new delhi with retaliation, is that a productive way to solve it? >> no, it is not. i have criticized it as well with my writing. i don't think that is a very good move. i think both sides need to work on a solution. but at the same time, it cannot be denied that the outrage in india at the way the diplomat was treated, is very strong. >> you say that what is being lost in all of this is the
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plight of this domestic worker. >> well, that is an issue that is not being discussed much, although there was talk about the facts that the u.s. state department actually arranged for her husband and child to come here. we haven't heard anything about her situation and the fact that, we know she was working under some very difficult conditions in terms of the money she was making. there were apparently two contracts signed by her and her employer, as the u.s. attorney's office says, the first contract said she would get $4,500 per month, which is a good amount of salary to work in new york, and the second contract said she would get 30,000 repease, that is a substantial amount for a domestic help in india. in fact, a lot more, most domestic help gets a third of that. but when you can turn that into dollars, that amounts to $500. there has been a lot of protest in india. i personally believe it is
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politically motivated. we have elections coming up in may. >> you think that is what is behind this? >> it is interesting, there was a delegation that visited new delhi last week, and the candidate who is going to be to prime minister candidate of the party. as alleged, the prime minister candidate of the opposition, both have refused to meet the u.s. delegation. and that is -- to me, it is this -- clearly this becomes an election sort of statement they make, look we are standing up against the u.s. >> while i agree that it seems a little bit of politics is coming into it because we are in an election season, but that applies equally well to u.s. diplomats who should have read the situation a little better. i think the bureaucracy in the united states treated this whole thing in a very unthinking manner.
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the relationship is an important one, we are strategic partners, we express love for each other all the time. but you know, you can't allow something like this to come in the way, then they should have been on the ball and they were not. >> i appreciate you both being here. >> thank you very much. >> you can find out more about this story at and we have breaking news, the panel charged with reviewing the controversial spying activities exposed by edward snowden, and the panel set up by president obama agrees with him, on many accounts, is calling for a sweeping change. also, the mega millions won, one man who won the lottery said it ruined his life.
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more breaking news tonight, a panel appointed by the white house to review the nsa's controversial mass surveillance activities is calling for sweeping new limits on a range of activities. the legislation regarding the phone calls that americans make, setting off a huge outcry that hasn't let up. by some estimates, the nsa's call data base contains more than a trillion records. on monday, a federal judge in washington ruled that the collection of meta data is unconstitutional. now, the panel handpicked by the white house says they should give up its massive data base. jim sciutto joining me now. >> reporter: the headline is accountability. that is what one panel member said to me, accountability to the public, the white house, and the american public. you can see that reflected in the 46 recommendations the panel
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made. they want congress to pass legislation to move all the meta data, all the phone records, from the nsa's possession back to the phone company so it is in private hands, not in government hands, so for instance, the white house, they want to have presidential approval whenever the nsa is listening to the phone conversations of foreign leaders, like the german chancellor, angela merkel. you remember all of the outrage that caused in germany when that ka discovered. and in terms of the public, a whole range of things, one of them being a civilian leader, not a military leader. they think that would send a good message. things like that to appeal to everyone saying there is better accountability and transparency here. you know what, anderson? they did not recommend ending this meta data collection program. they want to keep it in place, the members of the panel say there is still a national security interest in doing that. >> and the obama administration is not legally bound to do any of this. >> not at all.
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in fact, the president looks at these recommendations and he picks and chooses what he wants going forward. the administration official says he is going to look in january and come back and say what he accepts in effect. and we already know one of the recommendations of the panel the president has rejected. and that is the panel has recommended that you separate the nsa from the military cyber command, those are now under the joint leadership, the joint command of keith alexander, the head of the organization, the president said he won't do that. >> and jim, appreciate your reporting, joining me tonight, glenn greenwald andever toobin join me now. glenn, what do you make of this report? >> it is extremely important, especially in the wake of the federal court ruling, found that the collection program is unconstitutional or likely so. now you have the hand-picked panel of advisers, concluding that the program in its current form should stop and it poses a
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dangerous threat to core liberties. also there is no evidence that it plays an important role in stopping terrorist attacks. >> jeff, again, as glenn said coming on the heels of the court ruling being unconstitutional, what do you make of it? >> well, i think i find myself in uncharacteristic agreement with glenn, by and large, although there is an important aspect that i just don't really understand. what they suggest is moving the meta data away from the nsa to the private sector. now, do we trust the private sector so much in this country that this data, which everyone is so worried about, is so concerned about, it's better to have it under the control of amazon or google or whoever it turns out to be, rather than the united states government? >> glenn, what do you think about that? my understanding is they would have to go to a judge every time they want to access that data? >> right, it is a fair point, except two things.
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one is that remember, the telecoms already have this data, it is not like they give it to the government and don't continue to possess it. what changes is the federal government. as the constitution recognizes when it restricts the government, that would no longer have it. the second and really important part of that, as well as each individual company, so verizon, at&t, google, facebook have their own customers' communications but nobody else's. the problem is now, that all of it gets centralized in one entity, which is the u.s. government, and they can access everybody's communication. so this breaks it up. >> it is pretty stunning, glenn, when you read the recommendations, i want to read for our viewers, one thing they said. they said quote, information contributed to terrorists by the use of section 215 telephoning meta data, was not essential in preventing attacks. i mean, that is pretty damming stuff. they basically were saying the whole point of this entire
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thing, it actually didn't have the intended point that it was supposed to. >> anderson, to me, that is the key point and i'll tell you why. this whole controversy began when the director of national intelligence or president obama, director clapper appeared before the senate. and when asked whether the nsa was collecting data on millions of americans, lied to the senate, which was a felony. and said no. and our report showed they did exactly which they denied doing. and ever since the scandal began, the nsa's position has been the same, the urgency to stop terrorist attacks, and three who had access to the data said there is no evidence it stops terrorism. the federal judge three days ago said the same thing that there is no evidence that the nsa can point to that it stops terrorism. and then have you the white house panel, which says essentially the same thing that the nsa cannot be believed when they go to the american public, and try to scare them by yelling
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terrorism over and over. there is no evidence that it stops terrorism in any way. i think it is crucial. >> so jeff, i have to pose a question to you which i put to you the other day in the wake of the court ruling. a, the federal judge says this is unconstitutional. and now you have a panel from a wide range of backgrounds of people saying it didn't really do anything to stop terrorism. do you think this further vindicates edward snowden? >> yes, i mean, definitely it vindicates the result of what has happened. i mean, i remain convinced. and i remain sure that this was not the vehicle that snowden should have used to go forward. you know, classified information is not his to decide to give to glenn greenwald or anyone else. but raising these issues is very important. and i continue to disagree with how it came up, but this is an important conversation for the country to have.
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>> glenn, how much of these recommendations do you actually see the obama white house adopting >> well, that is a really great question. i think already they have indicated that some of them they're not amenable to. there is going to be serious awkwardness, right? if the white house convenes this panel and did it voluntarily, and hand-picked them. these are obama loyalists to the president. and the department director of the cia who looked at this and said we don't need these programs, to say they're a menace to americans' individual liberty and privacy, you have asked us to tell you what needs to be done after a careful view, here is what we say. how does the obama administration come out and say we're going to ignore our own panel's recommendations, we're going to simply disregard them even though we picked these people to do the job, to tamp down the public scandal, i think
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it's going to be a greatly of difficulty they will face if they do that. >> great to have you both on. thanks. up next, the story of duck dynasty, the hugely popular show, suspended for comments he made about homosexuality. also, you have a better chance of a comet or asteroid hitting you. but two people won last night megamillions jackpot. the question is, is it a dream come true or a curse? we'll talk to two people who know what it is like to become a mega millionaire overnight. [ female announcer ] we give you relief from your cold symptoms. you give them the giggles. tylenol cold® helps relieve your worst cold and flu symptoms. but for everything we do, we know you do so much more. tylenol cold®.
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breaking news tonight. phil robertson, the family patriarch on duck dynasty, has been suspended by ae networks, following remarks he made in a "gq" profile, about gays, he is quoted as saying the gays are sinful people who won't inherent the kingdom of god, he said bestiality, sleeping with that woman and those men, tom, phil robertson issued a statement about his comments earlier today. what did he say? >> well, he kind of tried to walk it back again, saying i'm a product of the '60s, i centered
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my life around rock and roll and drugs until i accepted jesus, he said we are all created by the almighty and i love humanity, i would never treat anybody different because of their believes, so he tried to walk it back. but obviously it didn't take with the folks at a&e. >> did they say how long it would last? >> they're just saying indefinitely. this is raising questions about this franchise. this is the most successful reality tv franchise ever. it is worth an absolute fortune, certainly for a&e it is right now. but one of the rules for the family that a lot of people have admired is that the family very much sticks together. i'll be curious to see if it is possible to suspend phil without having the rest of the duck dynasty folks saying fine, we're suspended, too, we wouldn't work without him because we're a family. they're certainly wealthy enough that they don't have to work.
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so i think there is going to be a huge fer if you have tomorrow and i expect a big pushback from the religious community as well. >> tom, thank you. a woman from georgia stepped forward today holding one of the winning tickets from the mega millions jackpot. ira curry picked last night's numbers, she heard the numbers while driving, said she was in a state of disbelief when her daughter told her, the other winning ticket was sold in san jose, california, so the question we have tonight is what is it like to be an instant millionaire? tonight, two winners with have different experiences. on the phone is terry dill who won more than three and a half million dollars when he was only 18. rick, you didn't know you won the lottery right away, it actually took several months for
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you to check your tickets, why was that? >> that is right, anderson, the ticket was actually sitting in a cookie jar in our kitchen for a little over two and a alf months before we realized we had won. and it was basically a challenge by my wife to go and get the tickets checked or she was going to throw them away. that prompted me to go and actually get them scanned and find owe whether or not we had won anything. >> this is probably a dumb question, but how did you feel when you found out you won the jackpot? >> you know, it was absolutely insane. we had gone through such a difficult time over the last year and a half. and you know, just the simple clinging of faith. and to be rewarded this way was just incredibly overwhelming. >> and what has changed for you in the past year? >> in the past year, the most significant thing for us has been the opportunity of choice. true choice. when my son graduated high school last year, he felt his
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only option was a community college. now, he has the choice to be able to attend whatever college he wants in the united states. and for -- for us as a family, i guess the biggest change has been the ability to give. we were recipients of a lot of help over the last two years. and it just feels so good to be able to give back. >> and terry, your experience was different. you won back in 1994. you were the youngest lottery winner in history. what was that like for you? . >> well, first of all, good evening, anderson. it was good, but as 18 years old, i was a senior in high school. it was an experience that not too many people get to enjoy. but you know, we've all heard stories of the bad, what goes wrong. we have to really focus on what we can do right.
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i think rick nailed it right on the head when he said you're given the opportunity and the gift of choice. whenever you win that or if you win a jackpot, mega millions, it doesn't matter. you're given a choice, make it a blessing or a curse. >> no, i was just thinking about it, terry, i can't imagine at 18 being in high school and getting the 3.-- or $7.5 million or however much it was exactly. did people suddenly try to take advantage of you and treat you differently? i.. >> not at first. i come from a small town, everybody knew me, i knew everybody. no, they didn't, they treated me just the way they always have. so i was very blessed for that opportunity. once i got out of town and started to go to college and so forth, yeah, that did happen. but whenever you receive something like that, you go through a process, just like grieving. there are three steps to grieve, the denial, the shock, and finally acceptance.
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for something like that being 18 years old, i kind of attribute it to this. try to tell an 18-year-old something is impossible. they think they know it all. trying to tell an 18-year-old that has $3.5 million, that is impossible. they're just not going to listen. had i done so things would have been a lot different. >> what would you do differently, terry, if you won the lottery today and the advice for somebody who wins it? >> you know, after the conversation with one of your people last night, i wanted it to be a message of hope of perseveran perseverance. in retrospect, one thing i did wrong. i pray that the winners who hear this, first thing they need to do is drop to their knees and ask the heavenly father for guidanc. if you ask with sincere loving heart, he will guide you. that is the one thing i didn't do. i did not do that.
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and i believe if i would have done that, it gave him the power. things would have turned out completely different. there is a plan for each and every one of those, i helped those who i needed to help. i was not living my life the way i should have. just as soon as i received it, it was gone. that is what built the person i am today, the character, to be able to persevere through that. >> so all of the money you got it gone? >> for the most part, yes. i do have some stashed away in retirement. the bulk of it is gone. i was taken advantage by people who are business oriented, as you would say. but it is all an experience in life. and rick, i researched and i saw your story. and, man, you are an inspiration. and if there is anything you could take away from your story and my story, it is not the money that is of value. it is those who love you and stand by you. >> yes, absolutely.
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>> people that are there in the end. that is value, that is worth. >> terry, do you still play the lottery? >> oh, heck, yeah. i thought i won last night. i thought this is it. i thought wouldn't it be a great story to come on anderson cooper and say i just won again? >> rick, do you still play? >> absolutely. >> interesting. >> intool. absolutely. >> guys i appreciate the conversation, you have a great perspective on this, and rick, thank you very much. >> thank you, anderson. up next, good news about a man who fell on the subway track as a train was heading their way.
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let's get caught up some of the other stories. susan hendricks has more for us. anderson, the senate has passed the compromise budget agreement that the house approved last week, the president is expected to sign it. the agreement reduces the chance of another government shutdown. a record day on wall street after the fed announced a modest cutback in its bond buying program that helped stimulate the economy. >> the dow surged 290 points, closing at a high of 1,167. and the s&p had good news, as well. and good news for a blind man and his dog who both fell on fell on the subway tracks yesterday as a train was approaching. cecil williams and his black lab are doing well. and the donations will allow him to keep orlando, when the dog is retired, which is expected to happen soon.
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a great story. >> nirks nice they can stay together. susan, thanks very much. ce they. susan, thanks very much. yan.
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you yan. yan eviany.and i don't usually credence to popularity rankings, but i have to say one that came out today did get my attention. the popular wire to see which news anchors get mentioned the most favorably, i came in number two, 85% of which were favorable. i appreciate that. thank you. i can tell you the other 15% were mostly made up of late night rants, and filth, and direct threats of violence.
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thank you, twitter for bringing us altogether, and which news cast is mentioned even more than me and more favorably on national media? that would be none other than ron burgundy. mentioned over 500,000 times in the past month, 91%, burgundy beat out not only me, but megyn kelly, and wolf blitzer. and katie couric and the top five. so ron burgundy is a top notch journalist, no doubt about it. but there is no movie about me, whereas burgundy plays a small role in "anchorman 2," which is in theaters because it got promotion as you may have noticed. let's be honest, they didn't exactly go the beyonce secret route in releasing this thing. there are posters everywhere. and commercials everywhere. and they will pretty much let everyone do them. i was just doing my best ron burgundy impression, the mustache, the whole persona, everybody was doing it. when i started "ac360," ron's
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shadow still loomed over the show, literally. there was a cardboard cutout of him in the studio. there were lights blocking it, he had it in his contract that it could never be removed. it was a huge pain in the [ bleep ]. technically, that was not a commercial, just a fun thing. any way. not only are there many commercials for "anchorman 2," burgundy has been showing up on virtually every show on the air. >> wolf, it is a pleasure to be in your presence. i just have to ask you, do you use vitalis hair spray? >> i do use a hair spray, but i'm not familiar with the name. >> oh, you should use vitalis. >> spray it, don't touch it. >> spray it, don't touch it? >> yes. >> i say that about numerous parts of my body. ron would be a little nervous to be in your presence because he has been out of the news game for a while. >> if this news thing doesn't work out for me, what do you think? do i have potential for the big screen?
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>> great interview with you, great to meet you. >> listen, i'll tell you what, why don't we do the rankings six months from now, when the movie wouldn't be playing then, until then, we will see what people think. you stay classy, ron burgundy, you will also be with us. "early start" begins now. why some say the international spying agency is ripe for abuse. a diplomatic disaster on two continents this morning. a diplomat arrested and strip-searched here so was she mistreated or does she think she is above the law? the latest as the white house tries to calm there this morning. dennis rodman returning to career