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"the impostor," the story of a frenchman who convinced a texas family they were his missing child. that's all for us. "ac 360 later" starts right now. good evening, everyone. welcome to "ac 360 later." a crushing development in the case of the brain dead texas woman being kept on life support because she's pregnant. is it safe to go to the olympics in sochi? that amazing new rob ford video and his reaction to it. the executive producer of "house of cards" joins us and more. we'll show you comments on the bottom of the screen. we begin tonight with breaking news. a story that's set off a national debate over life and death, and whether being pregnant takes away a woman's right to have her end of life wishes respected. she was 14 weeks pregnant when she collapsed of a blood clot.
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her family says she's brain dead, which means under the law in all 50 states, she is dead. in any event, well before she fell ill, her husband said they discussed being in this situation. not when she was pregnant but in general. neither wanted to be kept alive like this, according to her husband. however, under texas law, because she's pregnant, the hospital is refusing to take her off life support. tonight, attorneys released a statement on the fetus' condition. sit "abnormal, so deformed that the gender cannot be determin determined." the statement concludes with this, quite sadly, this information is not surprising due to the fact that the fetus, after being deprived of oxygen, is gestating within a dead and deteriorating body, as a horrified family looks on. last week, her husband went to court asking that the ventilator be shut off so her family can take her and give her a proper
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burial. any way you look at it, it is deeply troubling. join us is jeffrey toobin, anna navaro, charles bloke, sunny hostin and mark geragos and dr. sanjay gupta. the medical condition of this fetus, how serious is this? what does this actually mean? >> it sounds very serious. you're talking about deformities of the lower ex-premty, and also hydrocephalus, which is fluid on the brain. that's serious no matter what the cause is. now, i think one of the things people will ask is, why is -- what has happened to the fetus here? could it have been there was a low oxygenated blood situation for the fetus? the same thing that happened to the brain of the mother affected the placenta as well, or is this a genetic abnormality? we don't know the answer to that. you could find out by doing a
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genetic test, but regardless to your question, this is a very serious situation. it's not even clear what sort of brain function or other functions this fetus has. >> there's going to be an emergency hearing about this on friday. sunny, all along you said the courts should decide this, because you said you don't believe that the mother would have wanted to be taken off a ventilator and the like if she was pregnant, which she now is. >> yeah, i think -- >> and the condition of the fetus doesn't change this situation? >> it doesn't change the legal analysis. the family's attorneys have admitted that. but anderson, i mean, i think that certainly this is tragic. there's no question about it. this is sad. but now we are really, i think, talking about the elephant in the room that no one has wanted to talk about. this child may not be perfect, right? so does that mean the child should not be born? and i think while they may have
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had the discussion about end of life directives, it's not in writing, and we know that, you know, they didn't discuss it in this context. and context is important. >> mark geragos, you completely disagree on this? >> i couldn't disagree more. i will give sunny this one issue. all this does, the fact that in fetal matter is now deformed, which to anybody at least who has any passing knowledge of the condition of this mother, who is now dead, would expect. all this does is give life to what this really is. this is nothing more than the abortion debate masquerading in the trojan horse of the right to life. this person is dead. she is dead under any jurisdiction in the united states. this is nothing more than the hospital playing games, and misreading the statute frankly, because the statute is clear that it's for life support. she's not in a vegetative state.
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>> sanjay, the hospital has not said she's brain dead. that's coming from the husband. the hospital isn't commenting. they say the husband hasn't signed the necessary forms to release that information. but in terms of, this is different than a woman being in a vegetative state. assuming she is brain dead, that is not a vegetative state. >> that's right, and terms do matter. people off co-minger the word coma, vegetative state and brain dead. that are different situations. with brain death, as you mentioned, every state in the united states, that is the definition of death. so when they talk about trying to provide life sustaining treatment to a woman because she's pregnant, that isn't possible in this situation. you cannot sustain life. >> sanjay, what is the life expectancy of a baby born with this fluid in the brain? >> it's hard to know. depending on what stage it
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developed, how long it's been there, it can be very different. there are people who develop the situation, even after being born. so it varies. the concern is if this hydrocephalus is significant, it basically got fluid in the places where brain should be and some of that brain could be responsibility for the baby's ability to regulate the heart beat. so if it's not there, the baby may not be able to survive without the mother in this case. >> so charles, should the condition of the fetus, should it matter in this case? >> well, i don't think that is the determining factor here. i think there's something very disturbing, almost an abomination if in fact the mother is, in fact, dead. to grow a fetus in a dead body is a very strange concept, and to have the hospital either acting in that capacity or have statutes written so it can be
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ambiguous as to whether or not this is what the hospital should do in this case. we have to think about this philosophically. when you grow -- when you're growing a fetus, whenever you consider it to become a baby, in a dead body, it is a very strange thing for anyone to be -- >> one at a time. >> i think the facts do matter here, and the fetus does matter, because let's think of the facts were different. let's think if this was a fetus that was normal, where the father wanted to see it born, where the family wanted to see it born and was close to being viable, would we be in agreement of keeping that baby alive? >> of course we would be. >> this occurred at 14 weeks. >> i get the sense that the spirit of the statute was that -- >> let me give you the alternative -- >> this is a horrible case. >> at 14 weeks, had she chosen to terminate the pregnancy,
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legally they could have. >> this was a wanted pregnancy. i think, anna, you've gotten to the crux of it. there have been cases in other state where is the family wanted the child and by the way, there have been children that have been born and they have been normal. and they have been -- i'm not saying there are a lot of them, but there are some. >> this is a political issue. this is the logical extension of what the anti-abortion movement wants. they want women to have no control of their own bodies. they want the texas legislature to decide whether this woman has to carry this baby to term, even though she's dead. it is a repulsive abergation -- >> i don't believe that. i lived in florida through the terry schiavo case. that became a political case with politicians, even at the federal level weighing in.
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i have not seen any political involvement with this. s >> the law was designed -- this is nothing but a trojan horse -- >> we don't know that mark. >> of course we know that. >> we do know that! the very example anna gave was the abortion example and that's the only one you have jumped in to agree with. >> absolutely not, mark. >> if i was pregnant with a baby that i thought might be able to survive and i was in this condition i would want the baby. >> this is not a condition, she's dead. if her brain is dead, she's dead. >> what i'm saying this -- >> one at a time. >> this is a dead body that they're growing a fetus inside of. >> one at a time. >> the statute was written probably to protect in cases like the one i'm talking about, and this is a horrible case that
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is unanticipated and i think that's why the facts should matter. >> mark, let me ask you this. women are saying look, this mother, had she known she was going to be in this state when she was pregnant, she wouldn't have told her husband she wanted to be taken off the ventlator. any mother would want to do everything possible to bring the fetus to life. to that you say what? >> my response to that is stop projecting. you've got her father, you've got her husband. why does everybody think they can project into, as jeff says, this kind of stealing away the family's rights here. she is dead. >> you're taking it out of context. >> one at a time. >> she is dead. she is a cadaver. it's ghoulish what you people are talking about. >> sunny, what about that? if she has told her husband, i don't want to be on a ventilator, i'm a trained paramedic, i know what it's like. >> i don't doubt that they had
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that conversation. i doubt the fact that they would have the conversation in this context. that's why i -- >> aren't you projecting yourself into what she wants? >> no. context matters. we don't know what she wants. >> how can you say that? >> one at a time. >> it's very difficult for women to talk about this without projecting ourselves. any of us could find ourselves in that position. >> that's right. but the issue is, who decides? we have the people who love her most in the world, the people who know her best, say let nature take its course. let her die. alternatively, we have you and the texas legislator saying we know better. >> we have the law. >> that's right, the law. >> and it's being misinterpreted by the hospital. the law does not say that you keep brain dead -- that you can give life to a brain dead person. it is scientific nonsense.
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>> it's not unclear. i'm not taking a side on this, but if you read the actual wording in the law, it says taking away life support that would then cause the death of the patient. she's already dead. >> isn't the baby the patient, as well? >> so you're saying the fetus is the patient? >> it's very possible. that's why the law is murky. and you shouldn't be taking mark gerag geragos' side here. >> i'm not. >> if this child now, if it's born, will suffer from horrendous financial -- medical condition, which the texas state has no interest in taking care of, because texas is a low tax state, low service state. all they care about is forcing women to deliver babies that they don't want, but they have no interest in taking care of those children once they are born. that's a relevant factor. >> that's because they're also a low legislative iq state. >> he always goes so far.
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>> mark, there's a hearing on friday. what happens? whatever is decided at that hearing, that can be appealed? >> absolutely. if you have a judge who is nonelected, meaning appointed, he will read the statute or she will read the statute and they will say to the hospital, this is nonsense and they will let the father do with his dead wife what he wants to do instead of infusing this with an abortion debate. if you get some appointed judge, who is worried about being re-elected, you may -- they may punt it. but even if you get the right decision under the law by looking at it, somebody is always going to be able to take some kind of appellate review of this and take it on an expedited basis. >> friday is the hearing. we've got to take a quick break. up next, how safe are the winter olympics? we'll be right back.
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welcome back. olympic organizing commiterties in the united states and several countries receiving e-mails that they're going to face terrorist attacks in the olympics. there are manhunts for three female islamic militants. russian security forces have flooded the sochi area. there's a third woman also being looked for. american authorities are taking plans for evacuating americans in case of an attack. the situation is about as serious as you can get. given all that, would you attend the games? should anyone? back with the panel. fran townsend joins us now, she's the former homeland
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security adviser to president bush. fran, good to see you. you were involved with the planning for the olympics in athens. how dangerous do you think this situation is? >> this is the most specific threat we've seen at an olympic games frankly in recent memory. certainly post 9/11. during the athens games, there were threats. we worked with the greek authorities to thwart them. but what makes this different, anderson, is that one, you've got a group that is clearly capable looking at the most recent bombings. two, they're inside kind of the boarders of the country that is the host country for the olympics. and they've actually sort of stated their intentions. and so intentions, capability, and access, all those three things combined make this a very serious threat. >> it's also interesting. one of the bombers we know about
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on the bus in volgagrad was a william, and chechen terrorists have shown a propensity to use women in these attacks, starting with the hostage taking back in the early 2000s. >> that's right. and two women wore suicide vests on aircraft and brought aircraft down in russia. but these women are highly motivated. typically these are widows of islamists who have been killed by russian security forces. so there's an element of revenge for them, sort of in their minds, an honor-type killing. the fact that they're inside russia and have access, if not to sochi itself, and they may, but certainly to sort of transportation hubs, public places, public venues where there will be large gatherings, makes it a significant threat. >> fran, thank you very much. a lot of people are still talking about the postgame rant by corner back richard sherman,
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including sherman himself. it happened sunday night after his team beat the san francisco 49ers. sherman, caught up in the victory, had a few choice words about himself and michael crabtree. here's some of what he told erin andrews. >> i'm the best coroner the game. when you try me with a sorry receiver like crabtree, that's the results you going to get. don't you ever talk about me! >> who was talking about you? >> crabtree. don't you open your mouth about the best. or i'm going to shut it for you real quick! >> before -- and joe, back over to you. >> the seahawks' richard sherman sunday night caught up in the excitement of the game. that led to a number of twitter comments, one calling him a street thug. another saying, proficient that you can go to stanford and still be a thug. andre ig dalla of the golden
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state warriors wrote, we just got set back 500 years. sherman, who was a communications major, said he was mature and regrets those words. >> we've seen this, we've seen deion sanders and terrell owens and you can go much further back, michael jordan, muhammad ali, we've seen guys get excited in the moment. but what interested me what happened to you was the reaction afterward, the way it mushroomed and the fact that race so quickly became involved. >> yeah, you know, it was really mind boggling for the people who did react that way and throw the racial slurs and things like that out there. it was really sad, especially that close to martin luther king day. i'm not out there beating on people or committing crimes or getting arrested or doing anything. i'm playing a football game at a high level. i got excited. but what i did was within the lines of a football field.
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what they did was in actual reality. >> let's talk about wit the panel. i think what he said was an interesting point there is which what he said was in the excitement following the game. what these people on twitter wrote, and some people under their names call thing guy animal and monkey. they were doing it not caught up in the game but sitting at their terminals the. that, i think, is more stunning. >> they could be caught up in their own moment, we don't know what kind of moments they're having at their houses. >> bad moments. >> but what social media has done, i think, is demock atized vitriol. it elevates any person with a nasty thing to say to the same level as any of us or any athlete. so he's going to see that on his twitter feed just as the same -- twitter evens all that out. you see a lot more of it.
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people say things that they would never say to your face. >> it's interesting to me the willingness of people to go on social media to do this, even under their open names. i bring this up, asu at a fraternity at asu, they had a party called mlk black day party. in which they dressed like hip-hop clothing, doing gang signs. one white girl was drinking out of a watermelon cup and they posted these pictures on instagram as if this was normal behavior. >> that's just plain old stupidity. >> the twitter reaction was amazing. i'm not going to pretend i was watching a football game on sunday night. i was watching "downtown abby." >> as was i. >> twitter just exploded. i thought it was a new mayor in new jersey coming out with a rant against chris christie. and everybody just had to give
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an opinion on it. >> i was watching the game, i'm a big football fan. i think richard sherman is great. he is accurate when he says he's the best corner back in the league. what i don't understand is where is it written that every athlete has to be as boring as derek jeter? derek jeeter is a great player who has. said an interesting thing in 20 years. richard sherman is a stanford graduate, an interesting person, a lot to say. he got a little excited after the game. good for him. michael crabtree, the receiver, had been trash talking him during the game, so he responded. >> the other thing that's weird to me, there was another football player, and i don't know much about football, but there was another player who was criticized for his comments after a football game. the mother of one of the people he beat said, you know, that this person doesn't know how to speak the english language. and what was interesting to me about that is, people jumped on that quarterback -- or that player for how they spoke after a game, totally impromptu.
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michael bay was reading off a tell prompter and could not form a sentence and walked off the stage. no one calls him an idiot. but people attack these young guys who are speaking extemporaneously. >> frankly, the image that we saw right after that game, people who were watching the game saw right after that, and what we have seen today through this interview is just so dramatic. it goes to the point that the guy was caught up in the moment. i don't know what that adrenaline feels like -- >> there's a point to be made about wording and how people are using different words. it's not really okay to use the n word, but people still feel like it's okay for them to use words like thug, which is just a substitute for the n word in
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modern parlance. what about him is thuggish? he had dread locks. he's loud after a game. the adrenaline is pumping. he's just made the biggest play of his life. he's screaming, everybody is screaming, all over the field. a microphone is shoved in his face. nothing about that says thug, but thug become's place holder for n word and monkey. >> he made that point today. he said in hockey games, they just go out on the ice and fight each other but no one is attacking them as a thug. he wasn't throwing a punch to anybody. >> i think we have to be careful about the proliferation of the word "thug" in kind of modern media. we throw it around as if it's something -- >> honestly, with social media, there's little that any of us can do. ignorant people are going to resort to these kind of offenses. i'm sure you get racial offenses, because i know i get
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called all sorts of things. a lot of times, illegal mexican. but guess what? not all hispanics are mentixicm. there's nothing we can do about it. >> but it's people -- it's one thing when it's an egg on twitter and a fake name. but when it's actually their name saying a racist comment. >> i think when you combine the anonymity, usually of social media. you say some people use their names. but i think most people saying the bad stuff are anonymous, with the immediacy of it. in the old days, like ten years ago, you would have to sit down and write a letter and put it in an envelope and a stamp. now all you have to do is pick up your phone and say something horrible. it's a lot easier. >> a lot of these are people who are not noknown, who are
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anonymous. but we saw for example what happened to that executive of the pr company that made the tweet as she was heading -- she lost her job and she became the laughing stock -- >> any head of a pr company -- any pr person who says that is -- >> my point is, if you have -- if you have something to lose, if you are somebody with something to lose, you better be very careful what you write on twitter because it might come back to haunt you. >> just don't be a complete moron. up next, politicians behaving badly. yes, it's happened again. including the mayor of toronto rob ford. he calls this latest incident rambling in a jamaican restaurant, he called it a private matter and he fell off the wagon. we'll see what the panel has to say after the break. hey kevin...still eating chalk for heartburn? yeah... try new alka seltzer fruit chews.
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♪ welcome back to "ac 360 later." tonight, a new installment in the long running and completely -- i guess basically sad story of rob ford, the mayor of toronto, the crack smoking mayor, reakcting to a video we saw last night. take a look. [ indiscernible ]
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[ indiscernible ] >> sad. >> i mean -- >> it's sad. >> other than the jamaican accent, hasn't been out in a bar drunk, making this conversation? >> it's like, dude, get away from these cameras. >> the mayor ford, he addressed the video today. listen. >> monday was unfortunate. i had a minor setback. we all experience these difficult bumps in life. i am telling the toronto residents that i'm still working hard every day to improve my health and my well-being.
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but again, this is completely a private matter. there are some that claim my personal life is somehow impacting their work. folks, that is absolute nonsense. >> he said he's working every day, clearly at night, maybe a different matter. in the fifth chair, the executive producer of the netflix series "house of cards." the new show comes out valentine's day. >> february 14. >> so could you even come up with a character like this? >> truth is stranger than fiction i think applies to politics more than anything else. you know, when you look at ford or chris christie, i mean, we spend a lot of hours trying to come up with great stories and sometimes reality just trumps us. >> let's not compare christie to ford. >> does it surprise you that he
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has been sticking it out, that he didn't say i'm going to take time off? >> how is this playing in toronto? does anyone care anymore? have they written him off or is this something that just shows he is who he is and they like it? >> look, i can't speak for all of toronto. i'm not going to try. what i am going to tell you is anderson was wrong, he was working that night at the restaurant. that's his constituency. he is a common man. many people in the ford nation, thought look, he was on a night out, personal business. he made a mistake. yes, he says he's trying to get off the was and perhaps the drugs. but yeah, he fell off the wagon, he made a mistake. from a political point of view, this cuts so much, so deep into those political lines in toronto and again, you can imagine them in washington, toronto, wherever you are, and it's going to cut across political lines.
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believe me, his supporters are saying, leave the man alone. >> i don't think this is a minor setback. a minor setback is me exceeding my weight watcher points for the day. this is a guy with an addiction and is in denial. that's why he's still sticking through it. i can't believe his family continues aiding this denial of what is this very obvious plob. -- problem. >> listen, i think he -- if you're having drinks and maybe you have a few too many, that happens in the word. but if he says he goes on benders and then smokes crack, that's when you -- that's the problem i see in that, and whether or not people of toronto give this guy a break on this, that's their business and the people of toronto. i'm from louisiana, the land of politicians behaving badly. but before that, they all behaved badly and we gave them a break for it. >> i make a living making up characters, thinking about why
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people behave the way they do. everyone has anomalies. they have that night out with their friends where they got out of hand. but a person who is making repeated choices that are consistent with, you know, character traits that are not reflective of someone who should be running a city, that's speaking to the character, not to an anomaly. >> you're also representing a city as the mayor of that city. >> to that point, he was sitting in a budget meeting today, just a few hours ago, where the budget was approved for police. he talked about the chief of police in toronto, bill blair, i mean, profane language, all the slang, if you could decipher it, and many people could, it really cut to the core of what he thinks of his own police chief. a lot of powers are stripped of him, but sit a serious issue. in terms of the people of toronto trying to get a good deal for their money, billions of dollars, it's just not happening. >> paula, can you explain what
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was behind the jamaican accent? >> here we go again, can you explain? i wish i could explain. but let me tell you, there are certain constituencies that support him. >> i think there was somebody in there with a jamaican -- >> he was relating -- >> there's also a sizable jamaican population in toronto, 70,000 jamaicans living in toronto. >> look, he's the mayor of toronto, i'm not. my sense of how you appeal to people is not drunkenly imitate their accent. >> i'm not trying to understand him, i'm just trying to say -- [ all speaking at once ] >> plenty of politicians start when somebody is down south, all of a sudden -- >> that happens, right? so people go south and they
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start saying -- the twang comes out and the y'alls come out. >> this mayor is wrong also in say thing is my private life. the bottom line is, he put himself out for public service. he doesn't have the private life that a normal private person does, because he is representing a city. also, he's saying it's not affecting his work. let me tell you, that guy is hung over in the morning. >> we can all have our opinions about his behavior, but ultimately, it's the people of toronto. they're the only ones that matter. if you take anthony weiner as an example, the voters chose, after he broke the rules a few times, by not rewarding him by making him the mayor of new york city. it's the people of toronto that decide who their leaders are, that will be the ultimate deciders on whether he should be their leader. >> as an artist who deals with
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politicians, do you think people want to look up or look down at politicians? >> i think the biggest problem we have is that we want our politicians to be two things the. we want them to be saints, right? we want them to be perfect people who never do anything wrong. at the same time, we want them to be effective leaders. being an effective leader means doing things that we ourselves don't want to do and having to grapple with ethical boundaries all the time. those two things conflict with one another and no one can be both of those things completely. this is a little different, because he's not going to a restaurant and getting wasted because he thinks it will make him an effective leader. the guy's got problems. but the bigger, more important issue is when our leaders break the rules, we want to condemn them. but we also want to condemn them when they don't push the boundaries to get done what we want them to do. >> i think his next slogan
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japan's annual slaughter of dolphins happened again this week, despite worldwide outrage. dozens of dolphins were reportedly killed, out of hundreds that were captured. several end up in marine parks. in 2009, the oscar winning dock menry "the cove" captured the details. it's good to have you on the program. again, it's interesting to me,
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because you hear from people in japan, look, this is an ancient tradition. that's simply not true. this is not some 100-year-old tradition. >> that is a flatout lie, that this is cultural and traditional. it started in 1969, and i believe the popularity of the flipper tv series had a lot to do with that, capturing dolphins for these aquariums all over japan. >> that's also interesting. i hadn't realized or given it much thought, but people go swimming with dolphins in hotels and places around the world. i kind of thought, i guess these dolphins were born in captivity, but that's not true, they're taken away from their families out of the wild. >> exactly. but some are born in captivity, quite a few in the united states. but if you look at the inventory report, the international marine mammal inventory report, it doesn't matter if they were born in captivity or captured, they
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die from all the same stress related diseases. captivity kills. >> can i ask you this? you know, i'm as horrified by this as anyone. but why is this worse than killing the cow that i enjoyed the hamburger for lunch today? why is killing dolphins worse than killing other animals that we kill without thinking about it much? >> well, it's all bad, killing animals. but they're terrorized for hours and hours, and sometimes days and weeks on end, before they're actually killed. the boats go out and they put these long metal poles in the water and they bang on them with hammers. the dolphins are terrorized by this sound. they're sound oriented creatures, and they're literally driven into the cove. sometimes it may take six hours to drive them in. the old are left behind.
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some have heart attacks. babies are separated from their mothers. so you don't do that at a slaughterhouse. there are rules -- >> the way pigs are raised and kept, it's pretty inhumane. >> it's inhumane, but in fairness, not all these dolphins are even killed. all the pigs are killed for bacon, all the cows are killed for hamburger. >> do you make a distinction between wild animals and domesticated animals. >> this is a national park, by the way, and there's some question about the legality of killing the wildlife in a national park. these are about 50 men, it's not the town, it's a small group of men, a minority of men who are doing this, and they put up barbed wire in a national park and keep the cameras away. it's a violation of article 21 of the japanese constitution. the international media has the right to go into that park and
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cover what's going on. >> it's interesting, because sharks around the world are being slaughtered for their fins, for shark fin soup. they're taken out of the water alive. their fins are cut off while they're alive. no one cares about sharks because people are scared of them. dolphins are obviously much more friendly. but there's abuse -- >> there's abuse, but i take exception to your preposition here, jeffrey, which is that if you -- if you kill an animal for food but you have allowed that animal to live a decent life, and a lot of times they don't live decent lives. a lot of times they live in horrible conditions. but assume you had free range, whatever, and that animal was used for food, there's a very big difference between that and the kind of using of animals for entertainment and then having those animals die of stress-related diseases. basically, you know, torturing
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them to death. that's a very different kind of death scenario than to kill for food. i think those are just two different sorts of scenarios. >> i'm not wedded to this proposition here, but i guess the problem i have, and i admit that i'm a meat eater and i don't think about where the chicken comes from and what kind of life it led. but we seem to have a different standard before cute, cuddly animals and for animals we don't like. even flipper was a -- >> i was brought up basically on a farm and raised on hogs and cows and chickens. they lived a decent life. they weren't mistreated and the time of death was swift and those animals were used for food. i think that is a very different thing that you torture something to different for entertainment. >> this is part of the bigger conversation, which is our relationship to the environment. this is an extreme, in some people's mind, violent example of how we interact with the
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environment. you can say is it inhumane to destroy the ecosystems of certain animals through global warming. this is an important example because it forces us to debate and ask the question, how should we relate to our environment and what is our responsibility within it? >> is it our role as americans who are shocked and horrified by these images, to be putting our standards on the rest of the world? >> we're not doing that. >> in spain they do bullfighting. in alaska they kill seals. >> how do you respond to that? >> the dolphins do not carry a japanese passport. they don't belong to the japanese people. the dolphins are migrating great distances and trying to get around japan. the boats go out and drive them into the cove. and it's extremely cruel what happens there.
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we should be talking about how -- we should be outraged by this, and i think a lot of people who have watched cnn, millions of people who saw "blackfish" and "the cove" are frustrated. i'll tell you what to do, folks, break out your iphone or your computer and start tweeting and get on social media and express your frustration and your outrage at japan, the government for doing this. it's a form of genocide actually, because the fishermen told me, it's not about money, it's about pest control. in other words, the dolphins, they're overfishing in japan. that's the problem. they eat fish three times a day, and i'm sorry -- >> rick, i appreciate it. we're short on time, but i appreciate you being on again. we've been cover thing for several days now. it's an important subject and good to have you on again. the documentary "the cove" is an
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