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to rest. >> i think a sworn statement from the governor would be very helpful. that would start as a foundation to rebuild trust in the state of new jersey. no spin doctor, absolute unconditional statement he had no knowledge and folks would rely on that. in ft. lee we would rebuild that trust too. >> that's all for us tonight. >> that's all for us tonight. "ac360 later" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- >> good evening, everyone, welcome to "ac360 later." chris christie fights back again. will mitt romney run again? and the tiger mom has a new book. weigh in on facebook. we'll show your comments throughout the show tonight. we start with the death of philip seymour hoffman. a monumental talent and a life cut far too short by an apparent
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heroin overdose. andrew sullivan, charles blow, margaret hoover and dr. drew pinsky are all with us on the panel. we will hear from them in a moment. let's get the latest from jason carole who is live outside hoffman's apartment. what did they find in the apartment? what do we know? >> reporter: according to investigators they found evidence that seemed to suggest that hoffman had been using and abusing drugs for some time. 20 bags of open heroin. 50 bags of unopened heroin labeled ace of spades which is a popular brand of heroin which is gaining steam in the united states. 20 used syringes and several bottles of prescription drugs. what investigators will be doing is looking at hoffman's
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computer. they will be looking at his cell phone records and at surveillance video from the area, anything they can find to give them some indication of who allegedly sold the heroin to hoffman. >> and jason, reports had said he had been, you know, sober for decades. we know through public comments he made he sought help in rehab last year. but had there been -- do we know at what point he started using again this last time? >> reporter: as you know, anderson, he went through that ten-day detox program last year and made it through that and made it through just fine. there doesn't seem to be an indication yet in terms of what was the trigger that made him start using again. what i can tell you is from talking to people in the neighborhood, saturday morning things started just like many other days. he went to the place he would get coffee and the manager there says he seemed fine.
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but just about 2:00, according to one investigator, that's when things started to change. his former partner, also the mother of his three children, said when she spoke to him at 2:00 on saturday, he seemed, quote, high. when she spoke to him at 8:00 on saturday, saturday evening again she said that he had seemed like he was high. and once again, when he missed that appointment to pick up his children on sunday morning, that's when things went wrong. a friend was called over here to the house. david katz, a friend of the family, came over here. he was the one who discovered hoffman. but no indication yet in terms of what made him possibly start using again. >> appreciate it. dr. drew is with us. so obviously you are an addiction specialist. when you look at some of the prescription drugs found in the apartment, what does that tell you? >> four of the medications were
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withdrawal medications and not under his name. maybe he had taken out a pseudoanymore. i'm fearful he got these medicines from someone trying to get off the heroin and knew something about it if he was administering to himself. he may have got down off it and took a customary dose and it might have been too much. >> i mean, is it likely that he was -- he sought help back when he was 22 years old. can someone stay clear 20 years and start using again? >> they are diseased doing pushups. anyone who will tell you who has had severe addiction, today is the only day they can rely on. >> when you look at the percentages, the use of heroin has gone up hugely if you look at the cdc reports, 70%. the number of o.d.s is going up. you think it is linked to prescription drug use.
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>> no doubt in my mind. it starts with pills and usually ends with pills. the only thing different here is he didn't die in a pill overdose. >> but isn't it that the marketplace has changed. it's harder to get oxycontin. >> it's the law of unintended affects. the people who are hooked now it's too expensive and heroin is cheap and a better high. >> i have interviewed people on a man and wife with kids who were heroin addicts. they seemed to be able to function. >> they can do well for a long period of time. >> they can go to work and hold a job? >> absolutely. >> what's the piece about this heroin being laced? >> they are talking about a heroin that is combined with fentanyl that is technically used for cancer patients. it's a higher high, cheaper,
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better. >> more lethal? >> potentially. and when the other addicts hear about the o.d.s they think that might be a better high. >> when someone hears that he died from this they might seek out that brand of heroin? >> it's craziness. >> the high that people get from it, it's not a social drug. >> no. it's not. in my world people who use heroin have significant emotional pain they are trying to distance from. when they get to heroin they are in love with it. it's like being wrapped in a warm blanket. when they try to stop it's a sense of desperation. >> but you can work. he was a prolific actor. and in fact he was scheduled to go pick up kids. like he was going to be -- presumably he would have been
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high -- >> you're tolerant. you may not be as intoxicated but it sounds like he was on a run. he had a lot of heroin and syringes for the week. >> someone who uses it regularly, they no longer get high from it. they are using it to feel normal? >> for the most part they are able to just feel normal, yeah. >> is the heroin today different than the heroin of ten or 20 years ago? this resurgence of it? >> no, heroin is heroin. we have all these synthetic open opioids. >> 60% of overdoses are from pills. >> it's rare of a patient to die of an elicit drug, they die by pills they get from my peers. >> and they are just mixing it
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in combinations? >> they use a little more. they don't understand what an addiction is. and it's a combination of something like ambien with an opiate. >> whatnot to do, children. >> one of the more disturbing kind of subthemes in this is, you know, other than the praise of him which is amazing. >> let's separate the man from the disease. >> i think that people weren't doing. that. >> did you see the twitter feed? the tweeter feed was going. they were the nastiest things. they were pathetic. give me a break. >> demons are not respecters of persons. and -- >> disease is -- >> it's separate from the individual. >> exactly. and people sometimes say this
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person had everything, why would they be so dumb or -- >> that just shows you the power of this thing. it's not an exemption. >> they don't understand. >> and things that drive people to great heights are very dark things. it's rage or whatever it may be that drives the individual. >> and the pressure that comes with the success. >> and the opportunity that comes with it. >> will i fall? a lot of people who are successful feel like frauds. they feel like how did this happen to me? >> those who come from happy childhoods -- >> he's just such a normal guy. probably not. >> you can't watch philip seymour hoffman performance and not see acres of pain that he is able and was able to brilliantly tap into. his own pain. but amazingly articulate it in
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very specific taken different people and their pains. i will never get over his portrayal of the gay dude in "boogie nights" where he was able to express some of the pain that he experienced. you can feel it fueling his work. and that was what was so spectacular about him. >> if you didn't see him in "death of a salesman" as willie lo lowman, you have never seen "death of a salesman". >> i hate to think that his death is about a drug and not about his astonishing career. he didn't just get the emotional darkness of pain. he is so intelligent. you can see the intelligence in every choice he is making. and he would throw himself into. that i felt when he talked about
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this in the "new york times" magazine that in itself was an oblivion thing. >> you are making me emotional. i love my patients. they're a richly human group of people. exactly what you are describing. people disdain them and their illness it breaks my heart. >> it's not knowing them and thinking it is under control. it's a brain disease and motivational disturbance and they would rather not have it. when the opiates take priority -- >> you think of all the roles he had yet to play. >> he has been robbed and we've been robbed. >> dr. drew, thank you for being with us. #ac360. coming up, chris christie
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that the lanes were be to be closed. >> i'll be damned if i let anything get in the way of me doing my job. what the people of new jersey need to know about, first i had nothing to do with this, no authorization, no planning, nothing before the decision to close these lanes by the port authority. secondly while i am disappointed by what happened here, i am determined to fix it. >> back with our panel, joining us is kate zern ki. appreciate you being with us. "the new york times" coming under criticism. the lead of the story changed three times on the day it broke.
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to you, is there -- >> i don't think it did. what they are saying is that the lead of the story said we sent out a news alert saying that governor christie had knowledge of the lane closures while it was happening which is true. the lead of that story said governor christie said he had evidence that governor christie knew. he said that evidence exists. he has evidence that governor christie lied about him. we fixed it and it went to the newspaper the next day. >> and there was a push notification that went out. the people received on their phones. >> the push notification said the thing that remains true, exali says that governor knew about lane closures when they happened. >> this is -- why did you not acknowledge the correction?
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i think the -- >> public editor did. >> but these are not my decisions. you can have editors to ask about that. >> are you surprised that the christie staff going after david wildstein and putting out information about things that happened to him in high school? were you surprised by that? his social studies team? >> first of all to talk about what your high school social studies teachers said. they said five or six things about david wildstein and those are all things before chris christie hired him. >> here's the thing i'm getting at. what christie said tonight and what wildstein has said in his letter or the attorney said in the letter. christie said i didn't know about it. i didn't authorize it or know
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about it before. that's not what they are alleging. they're saying they knew about it as it was happening, not that he authorized. >> which is what he denied before. >> he is now not saying that i did not know about it as it was happening. he specifically said in the clip we just saw i didn't know about it before. so both things at this point could be true unless christie said i have no knowledge of the lane closings as they were happening which is what wildstein is saying. am i wrong? >> no. >> and kelly is going to plead the fifth. >> i had a very hard time following all. that your explanation of what david wildstein knew and the governor knew -- >> before or during. that's the only difference. >> to me, there is a guy who
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clearly wants immunity. >> and legal bills paid for. >> and he doesn't want to be in trouble. and if there is a crime he is part of committing it. so it screams that this guy is going down and taking everyone with him or not. >> that's true. >> there are political motivations here and he is playing politics with the lane closures. >> he said that tonight. i did not know during the lane closures i did not know this is happening. >> he has always said i found out about this from the news reports. >> he said later. he said later, not doing. >> the first news reports were -- >> was two days after it ends. >> it was the 13th. >> they reopened the lanes on the 13th. >> it was not reported while it was ongoing is the point. >> what is the -- what it is -- >> to me, it's just obviously
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several facts present themselves. one, chris christie is a hands on, detail oriented governor. the people knew he is behind it. there is a pattern of this kind of thing in this administration. he is trashing his childhood. at what point does a sitting governor stoop to that kind of stuff unless he is in fury, in rage or terrified. >> he doesn't mention wildstein by name tonight on the radio program. he was letting his staff trash wildstein over the weekend. >> this other narrative surfaced is they are good friends from growing up. the truth is they were in the same high school and in different classes. it's the big public school in the town. >> you're saying that a job was created for him. >> not because he knew him personally. do you know how many political appointees are in the state of
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new jersey? thousands. this is not like i know him personally and putting him there. everybody is appointed by the governor in the state of new jersey. >> you're right. on the other hand when governor christie was u.s. attorney, david wildstein was running a blog and clearly the governor knew who he was. they met on a political campaign when they were teenagers. they are certainly you see the pictures on september 11th and on the anniversary. >> but it's not like they were best friends and he is not trashing his best friend from childhood. >> what impact does this happen? >> wildstein is the condo yuit. so he clearly knows a lot about what the planning was and what happened here. we don't know what he knows or if there is evidence he can point to. and it's lawyer saying this.
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it's not like he is tweeting, i got the goods. when you say it through the lawyer, the lawyer is taking a risk. i think we have to understand there is probably something there. >> and clearly, there was some sort of a prior discussion between at least wildstein and kelly. because in that, the e-mail that was released in which she says time for traffic problems, that's a second reference. if someone says traffic problems to me i would be like what are you talking about? >> so here's the bigger issue. christie's ability -- because he was a front-runner -- >> you keep saying was. in the past tense. >> you picked that up, did you? for 2016. i felt like in the beginning if things play out and this goes away quickly, he will bounce back and he gets play out of it because he is on the television. the muddier it gets the worse it gets for christie.
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i think at this point, his 2016 prospects are just dim prospects and he is just trying to hold on to new jersey at this point. all of this is about new jersey. >> i mean, his popularity has been hit, not in a huge -- last i checked. >> 2016 is a long way away. >> let's leave it there. there is another topic besides the poll numbers does it leave an opening for mitt romney? a new poll has romney leading the republican pack for 2016 by 25%. sources close to romney say he does not intend to make a third run for the nomination. >> purple strategy is a democratic firm. i don't know what their motives are here. >> i love it. i love it. >> it's absurd. they watched the mitt romney netflix video.
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welcome back to the broadcast. margaret hoover said that purple
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strategist is a left-leaning group. it is not. they say they are bipartisan. >> cool. >> so you heard about the media storm that woody allen is facing over the weekend the "new york times" wrote a letter in which she details sexual abuse she suffered at his hands in 1992 when she was seven years old. woody allen took me by the hand and let me into a dim closet like attic and sexually assaulted me whispering that i was a good girl promising that i would go to paris and be a star in his movies. allen found the article untrue and disgraceful and there was no creditable evidence of molestation that dylan farrow had an inability to anguish
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between fantasy and reality. no charges were ever filed against woody allen. back with the panel a michael wolf, columnist with "the guardian" what do you think about this? >> i found her account to be credible in many ways, especially this grooming behavior. he describes woody allen putting his thumb in her mouth and put his head in her lap while she is naked. those are very specific details. >> why weren't charges brought? >> the prosecutor said he wanted to spare the child and that's why it wasn't brought. there was probable cause to believe that a crime was committed. i will tell you this -- >> that is entirely untrue. this -- >> this has come a long way in -- >> it's hard to let someone finish their thought.
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absolutely untrue. you have to read virtually anything about this. there was no finding of probable cause. >> that's what the prosecutor said. >> quite the opposite. >> that's not what the prosecutor said. and you have not done your reading. >> i always do my reading. >> what they said, the finding was absolutely that there was no reason to believe that this happened. quite the opposite that the conclusions were that either she had been coached or she was emotionally troubled. >> the connecticut prosecutor and with the team from the hospital and others said. and that's what they said. >> only the team from yale new haven hospital was empowered to investigate this. there was a custody dispute that was going on. that's true. >> what do you think is behind this? >> what is her motivation now? >> it's very interesting as you called this a medium storm. it's not a domestic storm. we don't know anything about
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that. >> she is making this up? >> she very well could be. all we know is it begins -- trace this. it begins with a "vanity fair" piece in which mia farrow says frank sinatra might be the father of -- >> she has made this up? >> -- of her son. if you know how you get a "vanity fair" piece. you don't do it because you have recently done good works like mia and her son ronan who is heretoever forenev heretoforenever had a paying job. >> i think that is reprehensible that you are saying that dylan farrow as a woman and she started saying this when she was
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seven. but it's reprehensible that you are saying that she is making this up to get her brother a show which sounds like what you are saying. >> i'm saying that her mother is making this up. it's not reprehensible if it's true. >> how could you say that again? >> that's how you get a "vanity fair" piece, number one. number two -- >> but you were just -- >> i'm sorry, you were castigating people for saying we don't know the details. how do you know that mia farrow made this up to get the piece. >> i said what mia farrow was agree to -- >> trade something? >> -- revisit this scandal to get -- >> dylan wrote an open letter making the same exact allegations. >> trace this through -- >> she made it up? >> quite possibly. >> look -- >> seems to me the critical event here were the golden globes honor for woody allen.
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when you are an abused child and see your abuser with impunt carrying on with no life it's a daily torment. it's the reality of it. for me to -- if i were she and this is true, then to see that happen and see this man given the highest honors imaginable, that seems to me a perfectly explicable emotional trigger to write this thing. >> absolutely. >> and certainly what she has said, michael -- what the letter says and i'm going to focus on the letter rather than what we don't know about motives. the letter is painful. it's horrifying. and a courageous thing. and i just find the idea of saying a woman who is prepared to talk about these things later in her life with all this anguish and pain and what struck me about the letter is she hates him. she tried to do the one thing to
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him that could destroy him and say every movie you see i want you to see him as a child molester. >> the only thing you know about this woman is a letter that you read. you don't know the circumstances under which it was written. you don't know who wrote it. you don't know it was published by your colleague in a -- >> a long-time sex abuse survivor and that's why they don't come forward. >> but there is a middle. you could make the argument and again, she is either telling the truth, not telling the truth or believes it and was coached by somebody. but that's another possible -- >> it's one of those things. >> but we are here -- >> that's a grown woman. and if you are able -- if you are seven you may absorb it. when you are older you have some sort of retrospective and say, mom might have told me something
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and i'm not going to repeat that. >> all we know -- is a letter. >> we also know that woody allen has never done himself any favors in this regard in terms of perception. if you marry another one of your adopted daughters, you know, 17, 18 years old when you are married, somebody who called you "daddy." >> he likes young girls. >> all you've done is said because he liked an 18-year-old girl. >> who he rainsed since she was eight. >> i will quote from "people" magazine. october 4, 1976. he's joking about a -- the last paragraph. he goes on, quote, i'm open minded about sex i'm not above
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reproach. if anything i'm below reproach. if i were to be caught in a love nest with 15 12-year-old girls tomorrow, yeah, i always knew that about him. quote again, nothing i could come up with would surprise anyone. i admit to it all. he has never done himself any favors. this is his words, not mine. >> he is a comedian. >> you don't joke about this. that's -- >> come on, mister -- >> mister nothing. >> mister -- >> sunny, you have prosecuted 100% conviction rate between 15 and 20 cases in your life. we were talking about the ability of a mother to coach a
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child and for that child 20 years later still believe that. is that brainwashing possible? >> i've never seen it in my experience, margaret. and i will say this, a lot of the cases that i prosecuted the mothers would show up in defense of their husbands or their lovers -- >> defending the predators. >> what mia farrow has taken this little girl at her word which is what parents should be doing and supporting her and following up. >> but wasn't this allegation -- this allegation -- the time line of this was supposedly already after woody allen was involved with sunee? >> it was also after this. >> he was already hated by the family. >> everybody is there. he is there on what is -- there is a lot of people around and
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somehow -- somehow they say -- >> there is a nurse who said maybe she was out of her sight for five minutes. >> she mentioned it to the babysitter first. to believe that mia farrow made this up she would have to convince dylan to talk to the babysitter first and then start the ball rolling. it doesn't make sense. >> the investigator -- it may not make sense to you. the investigators who spent six months said this didn't happen. >> we get it wrong a lot i think. >> the investigators got it wrong and you got it right. you have always prosecuted, right? >> i think you should believe a seven-year-old and a woman 20 years later who says she was sexually abused by her father. she is not -- >> an allegation -- >> she has no reason -- >> you don't investigate or try
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to figure out -- >> people don't make that allegation in public. >> and not seven-year-old children. >> without some consequences and the fact she waited a -- >> the consequences are enormous amount of attention and fame. >> why would she want to do that? >> this is not good attention. >> i don't know. it depends -- >> it depends what you are looking for. >> dylan farrow has been in therapy for ptsd and trauma and when woody allen would visit she feel sick and nauseous. >> you know this from the letter. >> i read the 1992 piece that tells you a lot about other people. >> it tells you all -- >> here's what i know about -- >> what i do know about woody allen. >> media strategies and
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decisions. all we know is that a media strategy was put into effect here. >> it could be true. you're not saying it didn't happen? >> we don't know. >> anything could be be true. >> so can i, absolutely. >> start with yourself. >> we'll take a break. thank you very much. up next, tiger mom roars again. she joins us live next. there's a saying around here,
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welcome back. the author of "battle hymn of the tiger mother" she has a new book out. it is written by amy chua and her husband jed rubenfeld. they claim that certain groups are more likely to succeed in the united states an other groups. will you explain what this trip triple package is? >> the book is about underlying qualities, these three traits that generate drive and propel individuals and groups to
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disproportionate success. >> it's not something that someone is born with? >> sometimes it can be. >> what are the traits? >> well the traits are first, a deep sense of exception nalt, of being special. there are many sources for that. it can come from an innate parent, it can come from a group. the second quality is almost the opposite and that is insecurity, a feeling that you are not good enough and haven't done enough yet and need to prove something. and the third is impulse control or the ability to resist temptation. i think it's the combination of the first two that seem like they can't go together. imagine what it feels like to be inadequate and superior that generates this need to prove yourself like a chip on the shoulder. >> so you're saying those three qualities which propel someone
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forward to success? >> in combination they generate this like i need to show everybody. not separately but in combination. >> the book has received criticism. one says that it is a new form of racism. >> i don't get that. you can see from the title it's as much as the rise and decomplain. the groups that are successful change over time. it's not like these are eight better groups. the groups better today will not be the same ten years from now. >> and the immigrant experience has a lot to do with it. first generation, second generation. >> very much so. almost all immigrants feel insecure in a certain way. you are outsiders. you may not speak the language. you may have a different skin color and funny accent. and what people don't realize is they come with enormous senses
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of their own exceptionalism. pride in their ethnic background. imagine if you are a doctor or a ph.d. in nigeria and you come here and are driving a cab or stopped and frisked. it generates a feeling of who are you to look down on me. the memorialeormons are a compl different case. there are plenty of individuals not from the groups we look at. if you think of driven people it might seem familiar. >> i'm confused about this. you are saying it's more about individuals but the book seems to make it about groups. right? and to go back to anderson's think that there is criticism that it is old racial truths dressed up and using culture as
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a proxy for race. i think the first two do not fall into the category. but the first one where is it a superiority complex based on group, right? >> no. >> that's the way a lot of people are reading. and -- and superiority, it depends on proximity. it's a relative term. i can only feel superior if someone else is inferior to me. and so that means it always feels like it builds in a bigotry. >> and of course we purposefully chose that term. this is not a celebration of this. it's a complicated view of what drives people. but everything turns on the content of the superiority complex. if you can feel superior because of your work ethic and that's what we say is the way in. >> what do you mean you're not celebrating this?
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isn't that the point? >> no. it's the dark side. >> it's a data and commentary? >> i think this feeling you are not good enough all the time is something to think about. this is the thought provoking conversation i was hoping the book would generate. i have an e-mail from an amputee who is a ski champion and he said the three qualities resonate for me so much. for me as for many people with disabilities. it's my disabout and not wanting to be pittyed makes me feel like i need to work so much harder. when i ski past someone with two legs i feel so spoor area. >> but that is macro, micro distinction. this is the individual we can point around to someone who bucks a trend. but this is about the data set. like a lot of data set looking at the aggregate, which groups
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on the aggregate do better? and i think in that way people can quickly -- you can understand how people can say this is a dangerous thing to say. >> that's what i disagree with. we cite hard facts. we look at census data. every statement is backed up by a study. if you say this group's national income is twice this one we are at the point you cannot cite a statistic without being accused of stereo typing how are we going to solve any of these problems? >> you're not allowed to talk about group differences at all. and culture differences without getting the racism card immediately. >> charles is going to love about this one. you talk about social mobility. how does the triple package play into that? you say that horatio alger is dead. so how does this play into that
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argument? >> right. it's this uncomfortable fact. i think this is part of the same conversation. and this is not about blaming groups that are disadvantaged. the reason they are disadvantaged is slavery and discrimination. but there are still some people rising from very low -- you know, modest backgrounds to positions of affluence. >> and misery. >> and some groups more than others. there is a striking study in los angeles that, you know, children of vietnamese, chinese and korean parents, you think they must all be the children of engineers. that's not true. it's bi-modal. half of those kids -- some of them just have a grade school education and restaurant workers and factory workers and show the same amount of exceptional upward mobility. >> we have one more thing after
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