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people in the airplane. >> yeah. >> we're not forgetting fred. we're ready to talk to her. >> i'll be with you all day. we will hunker down together. all right. victor, christi, thank you. great to see you guys. up next, it is the 11:00 a.m. eastern hour of the "newsroom" and it begins right now. the jury in the loud music murder trial s. appears to be closing close to a verdict. the question this morning gave hints about what might they be thinking about and what they are stuck on in the deliberation room. we have the latest from florida. plus, thousands of people are stuck in airports. folk, we're looking out for you there. it's all because of that brutal round of winter weather. and with more snow on the way, people are wondering if they will ever get out of those terminals. historic rivalry on olympic ice today and the u.s./russia
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game delivers in intensity coming down to a shootout. extraordinary stuff. all right. i know a lot of you have made evening plans surrounding watching the television set because you want to see the u.s. and russia take to the ice tonight. so here's a massive spoiler alert coming up. so if you have to, just turn away for a moment. we're going to talk about it. but here's the update. the usa reviving its russian rivalry on ice and it was one of the closest games of the olympics. so exciting coming down to a shootout and in the end, team usa got it! the final score, 3-2. joining me now joe cart we're more on this. wow, this was really exciting. even if you're not a hockey fan. >> i was saying earlier this morning that my olympic spirit was a bit down. >> was it? >> it's back. it's back. that was a thrilling wib. 3-2, as you said in the
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shootout. thrilling game. dramatic shootout as well. the olympic rules, what they do is they allow teams to use the same shooter as many times as desired in the sudden death rounds. usa used t.j.oshee. plays for the st. louis blues. he was out there six different times and shoerd four of the shootout goals. that's just crazy. but team usa has two wins in their pool. they beat slovakia on thursday. crushed them. they beat russia today. we're banking on a big win against slovenia tomorrow. that's going to be the same game time as today. 7:30 a.m. eastern time for the live version of that. but today's win really puts team usa, i would say, in the driver's seat because now we're looking forward to next week, we hope to get a bye in the elimination round, which is important because a bye allows team usa to basically rest. keep in mind though that russia and team usa could meet again. there is a chance for that. people always think back to the
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miracle on ice when we think of the team going against each other. that is 44 years each other. last time, 1980 that team usa won a gold medal in hockey. in 2010, the vancouver games we came so close. we lost to canada in overtime in that fine fall game. sid the kid won the game winner overtime. tomorrow, again, we play slovenia and elimination play this week. >> i think this olympic games has been pretty exciting. and this is just being, you know, elongated throughout the remainder of the games to watch hockey as opposed to some nights you only get to see certain events and then it's gone. >> sure. i don't know. i felt and maybe i'm being a mess mist but i felt the games were a little bit sluggish and boring. by olympic spirit was feeling down but now after seeing this i'm feeling a lot more excited about the old red, white, and blue. going forward they are a really good shot now thabecause they w be the top team in their pool going into the next week's limit nation play.
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that gives them an advantage beating russia today, 3-2, in a shootout. >> sluggish is a good word if you're a skier or snowboarder because it's been slushy. >> quite the weather. >> thanks so much, joe. we'll talk to you later with more sports. >> okay. thanks. meantime, in florida, we are closely watching a murder trial under way. the jury in that loud music murder trial could reach a verdict at any moment. it's been a pretty busy morning already in the florida courtroom with the jury asking a very interesting and rather telling question. >> first question. is the defense of self-defense separate for each person in each count? the answer is yes. second question. are we determining if deadly force is justified against each person in each count? the answer is yes. the third question. or, if we determine deadly force is justified against one person, is it justified against the others? no. self-defense and justifiable use
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of deadly force applies separately to each count. >> and all of this coming after a question last night. is it possible to not reach a verdict on one count but reach a verdict on others? the judge said yes. michael dunn faces murder and attempted murder charges for a shoot that left a 17-year-old jordan davis dead. cnn legal analyst sunny hostin joins me live from jacksonville to help me break it down. what could we read into the jury questions? when you hear the judge's explanation it sounds complicated and one can understand why the jurors have these kinds of questions. >> that's right. i think it's very clear from the questions that they are struggling with the concept of self-defense because that has been front and center here. michael dunn testified, which is very unusual in a first degree murder case. but he testified that he was in fear for his life and that is why he shot into that car ten times. he said that he saw a shotgun
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that jordan davis got out of the car brandishing one. the boys in the car said that is not true that he never got out of the car. it's clear from all of their questions, not just today's question and all of their questions but the questions seem to indicate they're struggling with self-defense. i think what is very interesting is if you read the questions today and the questions yesterday, it's pretty clear they may have reached a consensus as to the attempted murder counteds, but are still struggling with the first degree murder count as it applies to -- as it relates to jordan davis and his death. >> and what does happen if they do have some emphatic, very certain decisions on some counts but then they're potentially hung on the others? will the judge sago back at it again in perpetuity or does he want a consensus on every count?
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>> that's a great question. typically, fred, when a jury comes back and says, we're hung, we hit a wall, we're stuck. there is a charge called an allen charge. it's almost like a pep talk. the judge will say to the jury, go back, open up your minds. try to reach a consensus, try to reach a verdict here. the judge has indicated that this jury has worked really hard. we're talking about several days over 20 hours of deliberations. so i don't know that this judge will send them back to try to reach some sort of consensus. if there is a hung jury as to one count, i've been told that this prosecution team will retry that count, especially if it's the first degree murder counted as it relates to the death of jordan davis. >> all right. sunny hostin, thank you. we're going to continue to follow up on this story all throughout the day. our legal guys are going to give us their take, as well, coming up at about 12:40 p.m. eastern time. all right. let's talk about weather as if winter hasn't been brutal
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enough, yet another storm is pushing its way into the northeast. blizzard warnings, in fact, have been issued for cold coastal massachusetts and parts of maine. it could get more than a foot of snow in maine. it's a nightmare for travelers who are facing cancelations all over the country. more than 500 flights already have been grounded today. cnn national correspondent susan candiotti has been talking to stranded passengers. this is what they have to say. >> as airlines work to clear cancelation and delay board and get passengers back on the move this morning, madison wolf and her mother who have been stranded and sleeping at charlotte's airport hope to get to their final destination, the junior olympic competition in portland, oregon. >> it's very frustrating. i mean, i've been prepare for this for a long time. it's very frustrating not to be able to get there for this. >> reporter: their story was repeated at airports all along the east coast this week. more than 6500 flights were canceled thursday, more than
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1700 flights on friday. >> that's what was necessary because this storm was so broad and impacted so many key cities and so that's really why those numbers get so big. >> reporter: add to that thousands of delays. >> our original flight was earlier this morning and it was delayed and still is apparently but it won't let us get a ticket because the connecting flight in philadelphia has probably got to be rescheduled. we're in line to talk to an agent. >> reporter: from charlotte to newark hit with the most cancelations to philadelphia, new york, and washington, d.c., airports are trying to get back to normal for the long holiday weekend. and airlines are trying to catch up. some passengers are frustrated. >> we're trying to get our flight rescheduled to atlanta, which has been canceled like three or four times. basically we're going through hell trying to get another flight. >> reporter: while others are taking the situation in stride. >> i mean, it is what it is. we prepared for the worst.
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so we have a flight and we will be ready to go. >> all right. cnn's susan candiotti with us now from laguardia. susan, what are the airlines doing for people who are stuck? how are they trying to make it comfortable for them? >> reporter: well, first of all, let me show you what's happening now. oh, no, snow it started to snow. another two to four inches. and in terms of what the airline is going for people who are checking in now, they got here. their flight looks like is right on schedule. but they're trying to get the word out to you ahead of time. sending passengers information about whether their flight lab canceled. if you go inside here you see that the people are standing in line here. they're checking the board. they've had a couple of cancelations here but system wide, we've had maybe 540 so far this day. however, if your flight is canceled, we were talking to some people who missed their connection and it was because of the airline. the airline did put them up at a
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hotel. that doesn't happen too much anymore. sometimes they give out food vouchers. but those can be a rarity, too. it really depends on the situation. if they have to delay your flight and you cannot take that delay, it just ruins your plans, you can't go another day, you are entitled to a refund. so there are things that passengers can do, customers can do, to make sure that the airlines do what they're supposed to do and follow the rules. fred? >> okay. >> we haven't seen a whole lot of that today but i'm hearing horror stories from time to time from the counters. >> i'm sure there are lots of horror stories. oh, yeah. thanks so much. keep us posted. we're hoping that things get better for folks who are stranded and stuck. nothing is worst than that, it seems. all right. we're going to shift gears. most people know actes ellen page from the movie "june o" bu did you hear what she just revealed about herself?
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all right. winter games spoiler alert. so if you want to watch the u.s. olympic team take on russia in hockey tonight, you might want to turn away for a few minutes so you don't get mad at me. in front of a crowd of thousands of people the usa did it with a 3-2 win over their russian rivals. this very exciting game coming down to a tenth shootout. joining me now from sochi, cnn's ian lee. so, ian, this is very, very exciting. i want imagine the rugsz crowd was too happy about the outcome, however. >> oh, fredericka, wow, what a game. like you said, it was definitely a close evenly matched game.
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both sides going through regular time. a tie 2-2 sending it into overtime and finally in the eighth round of the shootout, the americans were able to squeak ahead, beat the russians. t.j.oshie was really the hero of the match scoring four goals in that shootout. and there has been a lot of comparisons with the lake placid 1980's win that team usa took on the soviets and beat them dubbed the miracle on ice. this was a huge build-up to the games. the russians very eager for this game to take place. wanting to beat the americans on their home turf this time. and kind of a little bit about a kickback to that lake placid game. the coach of the russian team was the -- was a player on that 1980's russian team. >> oh, ian lee, thank you. very exciting stuff. people will be still very excited to watch it this evening. even if you did hear the
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outcome, you still want to catch that game. all right. thanks so much, appreciate that. so russia already has been criticized outside of the games itself, but a lot of criticism because of its anti-gay laws. but that didn't seem to to be russia this week from enacting an anti-gay adoption ban. here's cnn's phil black. >> the decree was signed by vm medvedev on the tenth of february a few days after the start of the sochi olympics and published on the government site on the 13th of february. it states that no longer will people who are officially part of a same-sex marriage be allowed to come to russia to adopt church nor will single people be able to do so if they come from countries where gay marriage is officially recognized. the idea has been discussed before and increasingly suggested as increasing numbers of countries have signed on to the idea of recognizing gay marriage. some of those countries, particularly the european ones like france and spain, are among those with the highest rates of
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adoption when it comes to russian children. and idea of restricting single people from adoption who come from these countries that recognize gay marriage, that is an attempt to prevent a situation where a man or woman could come to russia, adon't a child, return to their homeland with the child and later, down the track, enter a same-sex relationship. russian authorities have complained about this happening before and they really don't like it. up until now there has been no official restriction on gay people getting involved in international adoption in russia. but adoption agencies in moscow have told us unofficially there has ever been suspicion that an applicant was gay, then inevitably their application would prove to be unsuccessful if russian government says this restriction, as with the controversial gay propaganda law which makes it illegal in this country to talk to children about gay equality, the russian authorities say this new restriction on adoption is necessary in order to protect russian children. human rights activists say just
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like the gay propaganda law this new restriction is an attempt by the government to link the ideas of pedophilia and homosexuality in the public consciousness and will only lead to greater intolerance, discrimination, and violence across russian society. phil black, cnn, moscow. back in this country, president obama is turning his attention to foreign policy. so what does that mean for his domestic agenda?
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barack obama is about to become a globe trotting president. he's scheduled a slew of trips coming up. next week he's in mexico. in march he's off to the middle east. in the spring, he goes to europe and in april he will visit three countries in asia. and just yesterday he met with jordan's king abdullah during a swing through california to rally democrats on some domestic issues. but before leaving washington, he rallied house democrats to get two more big ticket domestic issues passed. >> there are some big things that we have to do that i cannot do through executive action, where we have to get congress and where the american people are on our side. a federal minimum wage law is one of them. another, though, is making sure that we've got a smart
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immigration policy in this country that grows our economy, gets people out of the shadows, makes sure that our businesses are thriving. that's got to be a top priority. we're going to have to keep on working on that. >> hilary rosen and will kaine are cnn political commentator. good to see both of you. >> hey, there. >> good morning. >> will, you first. many second-term presidents tend to focus at this time on foreign affairs but especially with the recent release of afghan prisoners suspected of killing u.s. troop or threatening u.s. troops. will this president be compelled to change his timeline for troop commitments in afghanistan? will this be a top notch foreign policy issues he's got to tackle right away? >> yeah, you're talking of course of the 65, i guess, taliban or insurgents in afghanistan that supposedly have attacked american troops who have been released by koarzai ad
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the afghans. no, the truth is the strategy for president obama has never been to rid afghanistan of the bad guys. it was never to defeat the taliban. it was never to win the war. the strategy was to end the war. now, i'm not passing judgment on that. truthfully, i am not. i'm just telling you that i know that was the goal. when you simultaneously put out that you are going to put a surge in afghanistan and a timeline in withdraw it's clear to me but not only to me, to the taliban and to karzai that the united states is leaving, is ending this war. and if you're karzai, although he's done something despicable in releasing these guy, it was also rational. you ask yourself who is going to be here in three years. it's not going to be the united states. it's the taliban that's going to be marching that into kabul. so what he's done is entirely predictable and rational. >> do you think he has to expedite anything, change strategy in any way particularly with the relationship with karzai which seems to be crumbling, whether it's karzai
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trying to appease afghans knowing the will be leaving and needs the support of afghan or whether it's something else, do you think this president is compelled to modify things? >> well, that's to be seen. karzai obviously relationship with the united states is something that he is no longer making a priority. i think will is right in one respect which is president obama promised the american people and american people very much supported an anti-less involvement in afghanistan. we originally went in there not to crush the taliban. we originally went in there to stop al qaeda from plotting to attack the united states. the taliban's domestic terrorism against the afghan people is dreadful and the u.s. has done and our soldiers have done the work against the taliban but i'm not sure that being in afghanistan in an on-going war is going to be the answer. and i'm not sure that the
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administration thinks so. nor do most republicans think so, either. so i do think that it's a protracted problem for the afghan people. we try to empower their domestic security in force. we tried to increase their local economic stability, but obviously this is a problem internally in afghanistan that i'm not sure over the long term we can resolve. >> all right. something else not necessarily specific to the president, will, but, you know, we're talking about comments made by venture capitalist tom perkins who said there is a war on the rich. that the richest 1% should be allowed to have more votes than poor people. so doesn't this play right into the democrat's playbook to make inequality a campaign issue in the congressional midterm elections? >> no, fred, politically i don't think this is -- this is not dropping a huge boulder into a pond that causes political waves. tom perkins is not some symbolic spokesman for republicanism. by the way, i don't know inequality is an effective
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message or democrats. i don't think it's resonates with people when they go to the voting booth. you want to have an interesting discussion, i think this is interesting. while tom perkins -- i'll give a hat to kevin williamson who wrote this. while it's perfectly fine for all of us to say it's morally reprehensible to suggest that one person should have more vote, more weight, more influence in front of the state's presence, why is it then not t morally reprehensible to say one person's duty to the state or what they owe the state is vastly more than another? what one person owes "x" another owes 10,000 "x." how is the progressive taxation morally defense i believe like that statement is not? >> take a all of the way -- comment on that. >> keep taking that all of the way to the american people. i think there's no scenario under which people do not believe that those in the higher income brackets ought to be paying more taxes.
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that's just a recognized fact. but i do agree with will that i'm not sure that tom perkins is going to be a -- you know, long term republican party. but this is an increasing issue. people do feel that they are not getting ahead, that their 1% is feeling more op pressive to everybody else and 1% lashing back like this does not help. >> we will leave it right there. good to see both of you. thanks so much. all right. it is a battlefield that has claimed more than 100,000 lives and there's no end in sight. cnn exclusive will take you to the front lines of this serious civil war. same-sex couples in virginia who want to get married score a major legal victory but will it become a campaign issue in the midterm election? rry we're late. did you run into traffic? no, just had to stop by the house to grab a few things. you stopped by the house? uh-huh. yea. alright, whenever you get your stuff, run upstairs, get cleaned up for dinner. you leave the house in good shape? yea. yea, of course.
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well, did you know that just one sheet of bounce outdoor fresh gives you more freshness than two sheets of the leading national store brand? who knew? so, how do you get your bounce? with more freshness in a single sheet. actress ellen page says she is, quote, tired of hiding and tired of lying by omission. the star of the movie "juno" is acknowledging in a very public way that she's gay. page got a standing ovation at a las vegas conference aimed at promoting issues affecting the gay community. >> and i am here today because i am gay. and because -- [ [ applause ] -- and because maybe i can make
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a difference to help others have an easier and more hopeful time regardless, for me, i feel a personal obligation and a social responsibility. >> page called college football star michael sam a hero for publicly reveal that he's gay. sam could become the first openly gay player in the nfl. all lkswagen plant in chattanooga, tennessee, will remain without a union. the uaw met fierce resistance from state republicans who feared a union shop would diskour rouge other businesses from coming to tennessee. and the death toll keeps rising in syria. the country's civil war has claimed more than 100,000 lives. many of them women and children. there's also been a war within a war pitting moderate rebels against islamic fundamentalists, all of whom are opposed to the
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assad regime. cnn's arwa damon has a report now. >> reporter: we cross from turkey into northern syria escorted by armed rebels. for months these lands were under the brought tall and merciless control of the islamic state of iraq and syria. as we drive towards the town he tells us -- isisi came in and took over the area and called it their islamic state. >> this is the main isis checkpoint and as part of their terror tactics eyewitnesses were telling us that they would leave the bodies of the people they executed lining the checkpoints so that every single car coming through will be forced to slow down and could not ignore that brutal message. >> across from it the courthouse. executions took place out front.
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freshly dug up dirt marks the graves of some of the victims. >> there are two over there, two corpse here and some corpse near the north end, some corpse. >> anyone who dared defy them paid a price. even smoking was banned. >> this was another of the isis headquarters and everything here, all of the walls were painted black. you can see that they've just been freshly painted over in white. and when isis was under control of that at a time like this and it is friday and it is prayer time, none of these people would have been able to be out on the street. they would have forced the markets to close. many here don't want their identities revealed or even to be seen talking to us. isis may no longer be in control but many fear they could come back. arwa damon, cnn, syria. and you want to stay tuned to cnn starting monday we'll begin our exclusive in-depth
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all right. live looks at the very snowy washington, d.c. and new york city. perhaps you really love that? guess what, good news, if you love the snow, more snow on the way for the northeast or perhaps this really gets you down. to see these kind of snowflakes, to see the gray skies. maybe this will really uplift you. look at all that snow in new york. this is kind of whiteout or grayout conditions depending on how you see it. well, this really is serious business. it really does seem depress for a whole lot of folks who have barely recovered from the last dose of snow, ice, and sleet. and here's kind of a consensus from a lot of people who say their bottom line kind of sick of winter. >> i wish the winter would stop. we keep getting hit over and over. >> it's been very, very cold and one of the worst winters i've seen in a long time. >> cold, a lot of snow. it's coming down a little bit
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hard. >> so ready for spring to come and summer and everything else. >> well, in some cases guess what, tempers are flaring because of all this. some might consider it a big inconvenience. in fact, a man in pennsylvania was actually arrested after he allegedly pointed a gun at a snowplow driver who pushed snow into his yard. he didn't like that. >> he grabbed my arm. he was trying to pull me out of the truck. i went to put it in park and when i turned my head like this i had a gun up to my face like this. >> oh, my gosh. serious business. another snowplow driver on long island says a man threatened him with a shotgun. and then in connecticut a man l allegedly attacked a man with a shovel. joined now by psychologist jeff gardiere. what is it about this winter weather that sets people off or is it the weather that's to blame? >> i think the weather has a lot
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to do with it, fredericka. let's face it. this has been one of the worst winters that we've had across the nation in quite some time. it's just snow, snow, and more snow. people are getting restless. they're getting the winter blues. some are getting seasonal effective and tempers are flaring because of the mod disorder that comes along with this lack of warmth, lack of sun. people are just feeling miserab miserable. >> help us understand the difference between the kind of winter blahs and someone who has this seasonal effective disorder, or sad. >> sure. people who have winter blues and a lot of people have winter blues. this is a situation of where they're just really uncomfortable with the winter. they're feeling down about it and they can't wait for something to come around. a lot of us deal with that. but with seasonal affective disorder this is a clinical disorder where, because of the lack of sunlight, and we see this happening in fall and
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winter months, we tend to have more melatonin which is a chemical being transmitted in our brains and because of that we tend to be much more sluggish, much more sleepy, a lot more restless. anxiety, depression, appetite disturbance. we put on more weight because we're eating a t lot of comfort foods to feel better. so this is very, very real. and there are treatments for it. >> wow. so this is a lot of stuff. say you are the person who might be feeling all those things you just described was not clinically diagnosed as having s.a.d. what can people do when they are feeling down, when they are blaming the weather, they don't like the idea that there's more snow in their driveway. they can't, you know, get to places they want to get to on time or at all because of the weather. what do you prescribe to them? >> well, i would tell them that they just have to a cheerier, more sunny disposition when they wake up right in the morning
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instead of laying in bed, turn on your tv. yes, i said it, turn on your tv because we need the light. turn on the lamps, all the lamps in your house. get it as bright as possible because that will then stop the production of melatonin which will get you to be much more up. do exercise, some yoga and, more importantly, get a good meal and just start the day knowing that you have the energy to be able to get through it and don't be dependent on the weather as to whether you're going to feel good for that day. the weather is what it is, fredericka. we deal with it and we go on with life. and sunnier day are still yet to come. >> right, it's right around the corner. wenter is not here forever. all right, jeff gardier, thank you for bringing your sunnier disposition. >> always my pleasure. perhaps you've wondered what's going on through that little baby's mind. scientists at yale say they're
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actually trying to figure it all out. straight ahead, you'll see what they've found. >> most people think of babies as blake slates. you're saying that's not true, it's not that they have to be taught wrong from right. >> have very early ages we know there's a lot going on in there. >> indeed. and just ahead, a severe drought in california is hitting farmers and communities very hard. find out how beer is helping one town get back on its feet. but first, on today's american journey, online dating isn't just for the fringes of the dating world anymore. tom foreman looks at its surging popularity and one couple's very bright success story. >> would you like to come inside the house? >> reporter: once upon a time brook and kyle brant were living anything but storybook lives. they didn't know each other. each was struggling to find love when, instead, they found an idea.
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>> we do our banking online and our social networking is online, so why not try online match making. >> reporter: she signed up with an internet dating service. he did, too. >> you called and i think i saw you the next friday. and we've never been apart since. ♪ >> reporter: online dating once widely viewed as sketchy or a haven for the desperate, has become a billion dollar business filling the airwaves with ads. a study found one-third of marriages between 2005 and 2012 began online. in part because the internet solves a fundamental problem. >> the biggest question that i get from singles is where do i meet people? >> reporter: rachel is a relationship consultant who says the massive growth of dating sites that filter choices by religion, race, age, even beauty allows like-minded users to quickly connect. >> if you can go hang out with a bunch of vegetarians and you're passionate about being
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91.6% of california is experiencing severe to exceptional drought. president obama got a first hand look at the devastation yesterday when he traveled to fresno. he announced the white house has pledged disaster relief to help farmers. but it's not just the farmers who have been hit hard. some towns are running out of clean drinking water. we found one business that is helping to keep things afloat. and it's coming from an unlikely source. beer. >> reporter: one thing has been pouring in cloverdale, california. and it's not rain. it's beer. it's local beer company bear republic has been making beer for 15 years. now it's credited to help save the city from a crippling drought. richard norgrove is its ceo. so when people say thanks to beer, cloverdale will have its water needs met, you say -- >> hear hear.
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>> reporter: it started with a problem that many problems would love to have. too much demand. this is where the production happens with 125 bottles getting filled up every minute. they wanted to get that number up, so it required a new space. there was only one problem. the city said it couldn't have any more water. and with no water, there's no beer. what did you think? >> i think maybe i need to pack up and go somewhere else. >> reporter: the town would need two additional water wells. but cloverdale, population 8700, lacked the money. nearly a half million dollars to build them. >> funding is always a problem for everybody. when you're a small city, and we certainly are, it can be even tougher. >> reporter: and what no one realized at the time, there was going to be a tougher problem. a record-setting drought with the local reservoir dwindling to dangerous levels. but then came norgrove's
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irresistible offer. >> if we front you the money to put wells in, could we be somewhat guaranteed we'd have water by july of 2014? >> reporter: the city took the money and is in the process of constructing the wells. it's not a gift, though. the money will be applied to water fees bear republic would have paid over time. but in the end it gets to make more beer. and the town according to the mayor should have more than enough water to weather the drought and beyond. >> everybody benefits. it's a wonderful arrangement. >> i think it's beneficial that we give back to the community. this is one way we did it. it helped us and it also helps the community. >> reporter: and for folks who live in this small california town, that's worth celebrating perhaps over a beer. dan simon, cnn, cloverdale, california. overseas the oscar pistorius murder trial gets underway in just a couple weeks. looking ahead to the details that led to the premeditated
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it was a shooting that not only shocked south africa, but the world. world-famous sprinter oscar pistorius shot his girlfriend reeva steenkamp. he said he mistook her for an intrude for. but he is being charged with murder. >> reporter: these exclusive pictures from a source close to oscar pistorius appear to show a young couple in love. intimate and personal. these would be some of the last photographs they would take together because on valentine's day morning, exactly one year ago, it all ended. oscar pistorius' agent.
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>> just had a voice of a girl saying you have to come to oscar's house. trying to make sense of what's wrong. no, no. someone's shot, someone's shot. so i immediately thought it was oscar that had been shot. so i said no, no, no reeva's been shot. >> reporter: paralympic sprinter had killed his girlfriend reeva steenkamp, an up and coming model. he was arrested and charged with murder. pistorius denies the murder charge. he said it was a tragic mistake. that he thought steenkamp was an intruder. in just a few weeks a high court judge will hear the case. now, oscar pistorius' murder trial will take place in this courtroom. it begins on the third of march. now, is the state has listed 107 witnesses. not all of them are expected to
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be called, but we do expect to hear testimony from oscar pistorius' family, some of his ex-girlfriends as well as police forensic experts. pistorius' teams will counter with their own forensic evidence. >> i think the state does want this case over with. they have booked the court for three weeks, i believe. and they should be able to present at least the state case in those three weeks. >> reporter: after staying away from pistorius' previous court appearances. reeva steenkamp's mother june and other family members are expected to attend the trial. a a year of waiting, her family says they're looking for closure. cnn, south africa. much more straight ahead in the cnn newsroom which all begins again right now. hello again, everyone.
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i'm fredricka whitfield. the jury in the loud music murder trial appears to be getting close to a verdict. may have gotten hints about what they might be stuck on in the deliberation room. we'll have the latest from florida. plus, thousands of people are stuck in airports after a brutal round of winter weather. and with more snow on the way, people are wondering if they'll ever get out. and oversee the historic rivalry on the olympic rice today. the u.s./russia game delivered in intensity coming down to a shootout. so if you do plan to watch the u.s. olympic team take on russia in hockey tonight, massive spoiler alert coming up. turn away, because we have to reveal what has just happened. the usa reviving its russian
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rivalry on ice. and it was one of the closest games of the olympics. coming down to a shootout. and in the end, team usa got it. the final score 3-2. joining me now from sochi, cnn's rachel nichols. we could feel the intensity from home. what was it like being in that stadium? >> reporter: it was absolutely amazing. it was a great feeling just walking into the arena. so much history between these two teams. so much pressure on both of these teams. especially the russian home team. remember, this is a point of pride for vladimir putin. he was in the building for this one. he said it was very important for them to beat the u.s. on russian soil. and of course he thinks it's important for them to win the whole tournament. lots of pressure on the russians. while they did not come through, a nice display of sportsmanship. afterwards they shook hands and
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then the russians waved their sticks at the crowd and got a big cheer. a nice fun game all the way around. i will tell you it was as breathtaking for the players as it was for any of us. i was speaking with one of the team usa wingers afterward and he was saying i didn't know whether to watch, not watch, bury my head. he said i thought i was going to have a heart attack. >> my goodness. well, i think we, too, felt like we were going to have heart attacks. while putin was in the building, did you get a chance to see him or did anyone get an idea of what his reaction was to, you know, russia's loss to that shootout -- after that shootout? >> reporter: well, it was so interesting because they were showing him on russian tv throughout the game. and even sitting in the arena you have little televisions showing you the russian broadcast. during the game it was 2-2 during regulation through the overtime.
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and then during the shootout, they would show him after the russians would score goals through the shootout. and he would give a little nod of approval and nod his head and be happy about it without showing too much, of course. because he's vladimir putin. and then, you know, shockingly after the americans won, there was no cutaway of president putin. but i will say the americans did get a tweet from president obama. so, hey. if you can't deal with one world leader, you get another world leader. he did tweet from the white house account a congratulations. >> no surprise putin would be so stoic. but this isn't over for the u.s. they will be taking on another team as they all make their way toward or hopefully make their way toward a medal round. thanks so much. appreciate that. all right. back in this country, the jury in that loud music murder trial could reach a verdict at any moment. this is the case of michael dunn who was accused of shooting and killing 17-year-old jordan davis
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after a fight over loud music at a gas station. it's been a busy morning already in the florida courtroom with the jury asking a very interesting and telling question. alina muchano is live for us. what did they ask? >> reporter: for about 30 minutes into the deliberations, they sent a question out. it was a three-part question to the judge. i want to play for you what that question is. take a listen. >> first question, is the defense of self-defense separate for each person in each count? the answer is yes. second question, are we determining if deadly force is justified against each person in each count? answer is yes. third question, or if we determine deadly force is justified against one person, is it justified against the others? no. self-defense and justifiable use of deadly force applies separately to each count.
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>> reporter: now, michael dunn was brought in and asked if he had any concerns about any of those answers. and he did say he had concerns about the third answer, the one regarding justifiable force. and he says basically that he feels that all four people in that suv are intertwined with his defense of self. and because of that, he wanted something to change in terms of how that third question was addressed. the judge, however, said that because of the law, each count has to be considered separately. fredricka? >> and then, alina, there have been a lot of parallels drawn between this case and the george zimmerman case. some of the recognizable prosecutor faces are involved in this. how is that either complicating or impacting this trial? >> reporter: well, it's definitely something that people have given thought and they have drawn parallels between this case and the trayvon martin case. they've also pointed out that there are some differences
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between both cases. some key differences. but it's worth noting that trayvon martin's parents have sent out a statement to jordan davis' parents. and i want to read part of that statement to you. it says no matter the verdict, the fact that ron and lucia will never see their son again will not change. we know that pain all too well. we walk with jordan in defining his legacy to reflect our hopes by advancing love and tolerance in his memory and continuing the fight against unjust gun laws. again, that was a statement sent by trayvon martin's parents to jordan davis' parents. >> all right. keep us posted on deliberations there in jacksonville. thanks so much. and coming up, our legal guys will also help break down their points of view on this case. all right. the northeast taking yet another pounding weatherwise. winter storm warnings and advisories have been issued through the night. and there's even a blizzard warning for coastal massachusetts. and more bad news for airline
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passengers. more than 500 flights have been canceled today. and our responsibility correspo laguardia airport where things are looking more normal, in what way? >> reporter: that's true. it's a little busy at the lines. you can see people are getting to their flights. many of the people, most of the people we spoke with today are here for regularly scheduled flights. but that's not always been the case. and the numbers have been going up in terms of flight delays throughout the day. started just before 500. then a little over 500. this is systemwide. and now it's more than 600 flights delayed. the worth airports right now are dulles, newark, and boston. because of that information you just heard about the weather forecast and blizzard warnings there predicted. but we talked to a woman here who was able to get out on her flight on time. but getting here was much rougher. her name is gina. take a look.
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>> two flight cancellations and delayed, delayed, delayed. i was originally supposed to get in at 10:00 a.m. didn't get in until after 6:00 p.m. >> did that cost you money the flights that were delayed and canceled? >> no money. just time and headache. >> reporter: now, a lot of times because they're giving passengers advanced warning, they are canceling any change fees that you might have. but if you can't make your flight, you're often able to get a refund. that is what is supposed to happen. >> my goodness. and then more snow in the forecast. what kind of contingency plans if any are underway? >> reporter: oh, yeah. come on. let's take a look outside. we have a lot of flurries here a little bit earlier. but it stopped flurrying now. they are predicting in the new york metropolitan area about 2 to 4 inches throughout the day and evening. so nevertheless, the airports are saying that they expect
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everything will be okay. they're not predicting any delays so far. >> okay. ever the optimist. thanks so much. let's check in with jennifer grey and see what she believes from her vantage point. more snow on the way for some parts. it's going to continue to inconvenience, i'm sure, a lot of people. >> more snow. but the good news is it's not going to be as bad as this last system was. that's a bit of good news. we have a blizzard warning for the cape. that's going to go into effect until tomorrow morning at 5:00 a.m. look at this snow. rain in d.c. it did change over. there we go. changed over to snow just a little while ago. new york citierer seeing the snow already. then in boston, just the beginning for you. it is great, it is gloomy and you are going to get the snow about 1 to 2 inches. still enough to cause a bit of
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an inconvenience. the snow coming down and boston getting into the very beginning stages of this. this is going to intensify. especially around the cape. we could see 60 mile-an-hour winds. this is going to push out by tomorrow morning. this is a fast mover. that's why you're getting the lower snow totals compared to the last storm. one of the reasons why, but we are going to see from 2 to 4 inches outside of boston. 6 to 10 inches of snow. and then in northern maine, a foot of snow. and temperatures will stay awfully chilly. we'll stay below freezing with a high temperature of only 29 on monday. but on the flip side, look at the south. it is warming up. 64 degrees in atlanta on monday. a lot of people will be happy about that. >> people will be busting out the shorts. >> yes. on patios. >> that's right. hey, well, while we're in the south. let's talk about south carolina. what is this about a tremor
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earthquake or something that people felt? >> yeah. 4.1 earthquake in south carolina. some folks in the atlanta metro felt it, but this is not totally unusual. they normally get a small quake once every couple of years. and so, yeah. about 10:30 last night, some folks felt the tremors. did you feel it? >> no. i felt nothing. >> i was asleep. i felt nothing. >> and i was awake and i didn't feel it. pinch me. something's wrong. all right. thanks so much, jennifer. appreciate it. all right. well, he was known as sir charles for scoring ability on the court. now charles barkley goes one on one with president obama. and more spoiler alert coverage from sochi coming up. so ally bank really has no hidden fees on savings accounts? that's right, no hidden fees. it's just that i'm worried about, you know, "hidden things." ok, why's that? well uhhh... surprise!!!
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hockey tonight, you might want to turn away for a hot second, because we're going to talk about it. maybe just turn down the volume. okay. so the match came down to the wire. but in the end, usa. they beat their russian rivals on the ice. the score, 3-2. but there's more. i'm not telling you everything. andy shultz has the rest. it was awesome. >> wake up on saturday morning and get a great game like this. back and forth very physical the entire game. usa is lucky. russia should have won this game with 4:40 left in it. they scored a goal but it was waved off because the goal was off the position. they ended up going into a shootout. that's when t.j. oshi became the hero. if it's still tied at that point. then you have the same player take the rest of the shots. which is what usa did. he was one of the last players put on this team for this exact reason. he's a shootout extraordinary.
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he made four out of six of his shots. just amazing stuff. jonathan quick, he did a great job for the u.s. in goal too. he should be commended. usa get the win 3-2. pretty much securing themselves a spot all the way to the quarter finals. they're going to play slovenia again tomorrow morning. but usa should be favored in that one. so looks like they're going to have a clean sweep in the preliminary rounds. >> and i'm not generally a hockey fan, but -- >> i was on the edge of my seat. >> me too. and it was just that whole shootout, it was so in your face. you know, it could woman right up to the goalie and just almost like looking him in the eye and then scooting behind you. that was killer. >> it was great stuff. >> very good. exciting stuff. lots of exciting stuff olympicwise, but then even stateside there's some exciting stuff. kind of off court. you want to stick around for this. charles barkley one on one with
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the president of the united states. one on one interview. charles barkley for tnt. take a look at what they talked about. >> watching lebron james play at the peak of his superpowers is an amazing debate. >> when you're standing next to him and watching him close up, i've never seen somebody that size that fast who can just that high who's that strong who has that much basketball savvy all in one package. so we don't yet know where he's going to be. now, i'm a chicago guy. mike will always be the guy for me just because, you know, that was a magical moment for the city. you know, he was a champion. but now that he's retired, lebron when you look at him you think he might be able to play
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at a high level for another seven, eight, ten years. he has a chance to be as good as anybody. >> this was presidential, you know, basketball analysis, wasn't it? that was quite the loquacious comment coming from the president there. i like he gave up basketball speak. >> obama knows his nba basketball. >> he does. he knows it. >> of course he's never going to say anyone is better than michael jordan. he's a huge chicago bulls fan. >> forever. >> he's high on lebron james. >> right. that was very fun. >> people love comparing michael jordan and lebron james. he has a long career ahead of him. >> that entire interview will be on tnt tomorrow night. part of the 63rd annual nba all star game. if you're going to work with the president, you better like basketball. and that was the case for the u.s. secretary of education
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arnie duncan. he was in new orleans and he made an incredible pass. look. who knew. did you know arnie duncan could play? >> i didn't know he had those moves. >> duncan scored 20 points in pulling down 11 rebounds. smackdown. he took home the mvp award. he was a former co-captain. that explains it. >> you knew he had to have a basketball background in him to make that pass. >> there you go. there's the connection. the basketball court. i never knew that until now. all right. thank you so much. can't wait to hear more about the olympic coverage later on. all right. now let's talk about these very dry weather conditions for california. bone dry, in fact. but guess what? it could get the snow that the east doesn't want? what's behind these severe weather patterns. ♪
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in the mid-atlantic, slammed the south, the northeast. but other regions got their own severe weather. and now we're told it's all connected. the refrain is so similar from atlanta which got one city-stopping winter storm followed by another. >> it's been like nothing i've seen. i've lived here almost 30 years. >> reporter: to the great lakes where 80%-plus of the lakes were iced over for the first time in 20 years. the formations building ice caves. >> these were special. i've never seen anything like it. >> reporter: people in so many different regions say they've never seen weather like this winter's. over the past week, we've reached a point where 49 out of 50 states have had snow on the ground. we've seen so-called thunder sleet. captured in this video from a back yard deck in grand meadows, new jersey. but also a punishing drought in california. people in more than a dozen
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towns in danger of running out of water. again, that refrain. >> this is the worst year i've ever seen. >> reporter: these weather patterns are severe, crazy, and connected. this winter a high pressure ridge of stable air blocked precipitation from coming in from the pacific ocean causing california's drought. then it pushes the jet stream further into canada than usual which led to a deeper trough in the east pushing further south. that's why they got hit by cold weather. >> they are connected in that sense. >> reporter: experts say that flow of the jet stream that's driving those severe weather patterns in the south and dumping piles of snow in the mid-atlantic is also slower moving this year than in years past. holding those severe weather patterns longer over this year and in places like great britain. which caused severe flooding there. the wettest january in two and a half centuries.
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and yes that same wave pattern is what made it almost summertime in sochi. why is it all so slow moving this year holding those severe weather patterns over us longer? >> nast an area of research that we're currently investigating. we don't have a clear cut answer to that question. and if we did, we would have a much more skillful prediction in the longer time scale, say, out to 1 to 2 months. >> reporter: another mystery? whether this is all connected to climate change or not. they're still trying to crack that code trying to find out if climate change impacts those jet stream patterns and our crazy weather. fredricka? >> thank you so much, brian todd. that is one mound of snow. all right. a trial that has touched a big nerve could come to an end today. we have the latest on what's happening at the murder trial of a florida man accused of killing a teen over loud music. and bullying, harassment,
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gay. and because maybe i can make a difference. >> page called football -- college football star michael sam a hero for publicly revealing he is gay. sam could become the first openly gay player in the nfl. racial slurs, homophobic name calling, and improper touching, even an attempt to destroy evidence, those are the findings of the report commission by the nfl. the team was thrust into the spotlight last october after richie incognito was accused of bullying teammate jonathan martin. this 144-page report shows the culture of harassment goes far beyond one player. >> reporter: the 148-page document details continuing verbal abuse, racial slurs, and vulgar sexual comments made about martin's sister and mother by some of his dolphins teammates. the situation first exploded last october when miami dolphins
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player martin walked off of the team's facility allegedly because of relentless bullying. he gave this interview in the fall. >> i've spoken to my teammates -- former teammates in other locker rooms across the nfl asking does this go on, is this normal rookie hazing. the consensus was this is not normal. >> reporter: the report says martin was tormented by three of the team's offensive linemen. starting in his rookie season in 2012. on friday, martin's agent reacted. >> i'm just happy that we're able to move forward. i think jonathan really wanted to get this behind him and start to focus on playing football in 2014. >> reporter: the report says richie incognito along with john jerry and mike pouncey engaged in a pattern of harassment. but martin was not the only target of the abuse according to the report. the information uncovered another defensive lineman who was allegedly subjected to homo phobic name calling and inappropriate physical touching.
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the report also says an assistant trainer was the subject of racial slurs. in the fall richie incognito defended himself. >> i'm embarrassed by my actions. but what i want people to know is the way jonathan and the rest of the team community, it's vulgar. it's not right. when the words are put in the context, i understand why a lot of eyebrows get raised. but people don't know how jon and i communicate to one another. >> reporter: according to the report, martin says he was driven into depression. as he tried to fit in. he considered suicide twice in 2013. and sought treatment for emotional distress after leaving the team in mid-season. the report also says martin struggled with emotional issues since high school. incognito's lawyers says the report is replete with errors. quote, it is disappointing that mr. wells would have gotten it so wrong. but not surprisings.
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the truth is that jonathan martin was never bullied by richie incognito or any member of the dolphins offensive line. they could not be reached for comment but in a series of tweets two days ago before the wells report was released, incognito lashed out at martin claiming, quote, the truth is going to bury you. and on friday after this report was released came this. please stop the hate. happy valentine's day. >> wow. all right. nick valencia joining us now. so two of miami dolphins coaches were cleared of any wrong doing. >> that's right. >> but there is some culpability here. >> sure. this culture of harassment crossing the line going above and beyond the sort of typical kind of teasing and bullying that you'd see in a normal nfl locker room. i spent a lot of time in college football locker rooms and what you'd expect sort of happens. there is taunting, there is bullying. and that's evidently what happened in the miami dolphins locker room as well but they
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took it a step too far. also it came out in that report, i thumbed through those pages and jonathan martin said he went along with the teasing. he was actually sort of using it as a coping mechanism for him. he went along with it hoping it would stop. but what really is striking is that an offensive lineman coach, he's complicit in this bullying. he knew somewhat about this culture and he played along with it and perpetuated this teasing. >> okay. nick valencia, thanks so much. we're going to talk about this later on with former players as well. and you'll bring us any latest updates. thank you so much. meantime, a florida jury wrestles in a heating case. whether l they be able to agree on whether or not a man killed a teenager for playing loud music? our legal guys tell us what the questions to the judge might mean. you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting relief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that helps
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the jury in the loud music murder trial could be getting very close to a verdict. they've been deliberating for more than 20 hours already. they're trying to decide if michael dunn is guilty of first degree murder in the shooting death of 17-year-old jordan davis. dunn testified it was self-defense. the jury started deliberating on wednesday. and this morning they asked three key questions. one, is the defense of
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self-defense separate for each person in each count. the just said yes. number two question, are we determining if deadly force is justified against each person in each count. the judge said yes. three, or if we determine deadly force is justified against one person, is it justified against the others. the judge saying no. self-defense and justifiable use of deadly force applies separately for each count. so let's bring in our legal guys to talk more about this. avery freeman and richard herman. good to see both of you gentlemen. >> good morning. >> avery, you first. what do you make of these questions this morning? and this after a day of questions to the judge yesterday. >> well, i think what we have here is a jury that's taking the case as seriously as it possibly could. as trial lawyers, that's what we want jurors to do.
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the fact they're that careful and they're getting clarification from the judge, tells us two things. they are treating this seriously and secondly they're zeroing in on the question of self-defense, deadly force, and trying to understand how to apply that law. so i think that we're going to see a result today. >> and so richard, are you hopeful that these kind of questions are bringing some clarity to the jurors or that these jurors are, you know, sending a signal that they may be hung, they may be undecided on certain things because of the confusion? >> you know, fred, everyone is pining on what's going on here. it's pure speculation. it's like reading the tea leaves. this question could come from one juror. not from a group of jurors. so that's -- let's get that set up front. we don't know what this jury's doing. but i will tell you one thing. the question today and the responses by the judge is very detrimental to the defense case of self-defense.
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>> what do you mean? >> it really is. because here i don't believe there's any testimony that he felt threatened by other individual members in the car. his testimony is one got out of the car brandishing what he thought was a shotgun. was that reasonable for him to believe there was a shotgun? >> and there was no evidence of a shotgun, stick, nothing. >> but there was evidence for three or four minutes when they fled the scene, they could have got rid of the gun. that's the defense position. whether it's viable or not, jury has to vie with that. but there's no evidence that any of the other inhabitants of the car threatened him. and if the jury understands what the judge said, that's devastating to the defense case. >> and it doesn't seem reasonable that the jurors would be able to consider a hypothetical what if there was a gun, what if it was thrown out the window. it's what evidence is presented to support the prosecutions claim or to support the defense claim. >> right.
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right. and actually, you know what, what was really interesting is while we had a good idea what the evidence for the prosecution was going to be, by the time the prosecutors got done, this was rock solid. so the defendant frankly didn't have an alternative. had to take the stand. and that jury is considering credibility. what was he really thinking? what was he objectively -- >> are you surprised he took the stand? in so many cases similar to this, the defendant would not take the stand. his attorneys, he or her attorneys would certainly not encourage it. what was this defendant up against or what do you suppose precipitated the decision to take the stand? >> the overwhelming evidence, i think. the only reason michael dunn took the stand was that this case was so strong, frankly, without his taking the stand. and taking the risk, fredricka. he really had nothing. so there was no alternative. he had to take the stand. >> all right, richard.
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you were about to say something? >> it's a dangerous prospect to put the defendant up on the stand when the burden of proof is on the prosecution. but here you make a strategic decision. do you have to put him on? and here they felt they had to to let the jury see his state of mind and try to get sympathy for him. but it's very dangerous. and if they catch your witness, your defendant in one lie, that would basically destroy the case i don't think they caught him in a lie, but whether his credibility is to be believed by this jury is a big issue here. again, this jury instruction today and the response by the judge i think is devastating to the defense case. >> quite remarkable. again gentlemen, the jury has been deliberating more than 20 hours now. when we get more word about questions or a verdict, we'll bring that to our audience live. and richard and avery, stick around. we've got another case to talk about. i cannot wait to hear your points of view on this one. some say it's sexist. a florida law firm that only represents men?
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family law issues. that's why these lawyers only represent dads and husbands. >> a lot of courts have always leaned towards the mother and it's not supposed to be that way. and fathers just want a fair shake. >> so this south florida firm isn't the only one of its kind, apparently. but some say the practice is discriminatory. let's talk about it with our legal guys. richard, you first. it's not the first time, but what's the problem with this? >> well, first of all, let me just say up front i cannot be objective on this. so i'm subjective. let me just get that out there. >> okay. >> now, this marketing -- i think this is great marketing. is it discrimination? it's not discrimination. it's a private law firm. so it's not a public -- it's not discrimination per se. but it's great marketing whether they're any better than any other law firm in representing men is probably the answer to that is no.
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so does it give you an advantage to go to them? probably not. but, you know, if they just specialize in father's rights and men's rights, they may be more up on the law there. at the end of the day, what a great marketing ploy. here we are talking about them on national television. you know, it's a beautiful thing. it's not discrimination. >> so avery, how was it any different from a law firm saying we specialize in family law or we specialize in divorce and they're taking it to soot level where they're specifying they're specialty in divorce law. >> well, look. i don't think this is beautiful. i think this is horrifying. they're not saying that they specialize in family law. they're saying that they specialize in taking care of men in. and the argument in my opinion is an angry condemnation in a public advertisement of essentially eroding public confidence in our courts. >> rightfully so.
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>> under our ethics rules, that is a primary responsibility of lawyers. it's like saying we're represent white people but we won't represent black people. and i am horrified by that. i'm assuming that this law firm got an ethics opinion that it's perfectly fine to do, but i'm heartsick at this kind of approach and conveying to the public that don't trust the courts, don't trust the judges. come to us. we'll take care of you solely because you're a man. i think that's awful. >> so richard, is this just an issue of opinion? or can there be a legal challenge against this law firm? >> i don't believe there's any legal challenge. i agree with avery. i'm sure they got clearance to advertise like this. >> i hope they did. >> but at the end of the day substantively speaking, i happen to agree with them. but in any event, i haven't -- >> you happen to agree that men and women fair differently when it comes to family court or
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divorce issues? >> yes. yes. i believe it's skewed towards women and i believe that they're not the highest, brightest stars sitting on the benches in family courts. >> oh, my gosh. richard. >> you going to get a lot of ugly e-mails today. >> just from personal experience. what can i tell you. >> what is it @richardherman? okay. you're in for it now, buddy. all right richard, avery we appreciate it. we love your candor. the legal guys are here every saturday at this time to give us their takes on the most intriguing cases of the day, week, month whether you like it or not. so there. straight ahead in the "cnn newsroom" in the next hour, i'll speak with a jury consultant on what factors go into deciding a case like this loud music murder trial underway in jacksonville, florida. farmer: hello, i'm an idaho potato farmer. and our giant idaho potato truck is still missing.
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soaring to new heights on the job. really taking it to a whole other level. these men are in charge of washing windows on the world's tallest building. the building in dubai is 2700 feet tall. oh, my gosh. i'm getting queasy just looking at the video. 24,000 separate panes of class to keep clean and this is the only way to do it. the crew gets $600 a month for this kind of dangerous work. it takes them three months to finish washing the entire building. and then when they get finished, it's time to start all over again. oh, my gosh. no. i couldn't do that one. huh-uh. and once it's completed, china's shanghai tower will be the second tallest tower behind the dubai building. recently a couple of climbers went looking for thrills on that
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massive skyscraper. they found it. they made it to the top of the construction cranes. the climb, of course, was illegal. as was to videotape it. but they did it anyway. the two are also known for scaling one of the ancient pyramids in egypt last year and then posting that video as well. wow. that's some crazy stuff. wow. but extraordinary too. can you imagine leaping off a mountain or a building with a parachute, of course, b.a.s.e. jumping. it's often deadly. what inspiring people and why are police so alarmed? it's sort of obvious. >> b.a.s.e. jumping may be the most extreme sport out there right now. because cameras are taking with them on these jumps, we're seeing a lot more of it. >> reporter: what you're about to witness may not only seem crazy, it's also a crime. b.a.s.e. jumping. it's the extreme of the extreme.
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b.a.s.e. is an acronym for buildings, antennas, spans, and earth. basically find something tall and hurl your body off of it. this jumper took flight from a gondola 1500 feet aboveground. police are using the video to track down this jumper. they say they know his identity and have already arrested a woman for allegedly helped him jump. >> youtube will become a vehicle for law enforcement to identify and prosecute officials. the gondola is good at stating that. it's as a means of transportation. >> reporter: but the rush of b.a.s.e. jumping glamorized by hollywood pulls many thrill seekers back for more. and beyond getting caught, there's a much greater concern. >> it's dangerous.
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if something should happen where the parachute fails to deploy, you could have somebody killed. >> reporter: that was the case recently when the chute didn't open for a newlywed whose chute didn't open in utah. known as experienced b.a.s.e. jumpers. her husband was charged with a demeanor b.a.s.e. jumping offense after her death. an arrest may not deter thrill seekers from taking these dangerous and sometimes deadly and in this case illegal plunges. he knows a lot of people who died from b.a.s.e. jumping but doesn't known anyone who has been arrested after posing a video on youtube. >> thank you so much. much more straight ahead in the "cnn newsroom." and it all begins again right now.

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