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>> reporter: if something catches their eye, the navy will send down a high resolution camera on the bluefin 21. it can take black and white photos, covering about 15 square miles a day. it's a slow process, moving at just 3 nautical miles per hour. only made worse by horrendous conditions, freezing temperatures, mountainous terrain and complete darkness. but even diving blind, there is much hope the bluefin 21 auv will see something. randy kay, cnn, quincy, massachusetts. >> i'm carol costello. thanks for joining me at this hour. this hour with berman and michaela starts now. back-to-back obstacles in the underwater search for flight 370. the robotic submarine's first deep dive is aborted, cut short, due to the ocean depth. the return to the sea floor delayed now due to weather.
also, the man accused in a shooting spree at jewish centers in kansas could be formally charged today. his victims were all christians. could he still face hate crime charges? we have a live report ahead. and it was a late show worth staying up for. did you see it in the lunar eclipse turning the moon a stunning shade of red. if you couldn't stay awake or the clouds ruined your view, don't worry, we have got some pretty spec tang lar pictures -- spectacular pictures just for you. i'm michaela pereira, one half of the fabulous duo. john berman is off today. 11 a.m. in the east, 8 a.m. out west. stories much more at this hour. search crews are set to relaunch the unmanned submarine bluefin 21 as soon as weather allows. the first deployment of the underwater vehicle to hunt for flight 370 ended kind of abruptlism the drone resurfaced after only 7 1/2 hours into its
mission. it was supposed to have lasted 24 hours. officials say a built-in safety feature automatically aborted the mission when the device exceeded its maximum depth. in the meantime, the first data from bluefin 21 has now been analyzed. the u.s. navy says no objects of interest have been found. malaysia is now promising to reveal any data that is retrieved from the black boxes. >> i don't think it's important who gets custody as far as i'm concerned. and this is my own personal position. it's finding out the truth. and we're going to find out the truth, we have to review what's in the black box. >> let's focus on the all-out effort to find the black boxes. erin mclaughlin joins us from perth, australia. erin, talk to us about some of the challenges that we know are facing the bluefin 21. >> reporter: hi, michaela. operating some 2.8 miles beneath
the ocean's surface pretty tricky business, full stop. but it's really at the limits of the bluefin 21 is's capabilities, as we saw yesterday as it was searching the ocean floor and encountered waters deeper than its capacity. it had been preprogrammed to go that, they don't want to lose it technicians downloaded the data and wanted to put it down into the water again but were not able to because of another challenge, the weather. and as far as we know, it's still on board the "ocean shield" still not searching because of the weather conditions, michaela. >> so, i think a lot of people are wondering, always critical when we see thing, seem to have little patience in waiting for the data come back and gather its data. is this device, is this technology, the bluefin 21, up to the task?
>> reporter: so far, australian authorities have expressed confidence in its capabilities. angus houston, the man responsible for spearheading this multinational coordinated effort addressed this issue at a press conference yesterday. and he said that he thinks the bluefin 21 is up to the task. he said that most of the area they will be searching is on the right side of 2.8 miles or 4.5 kilometers, which is at the edge of its capabilities. so, they are confident that this particular submersible will be able to search this area, michaela. >> all right, erin mclaughlin, thanks for that end of the story. bring in our aviation analyst, mary schiavo and jeff wise, keep me company at the top of every show. today, talking about the bluefin 21, didn't even get a third of the way through its mission before its own technology brought it back up to the surface. is it a question of misjudging
the depths of the ocean there the lack of knowledge we have of that region? we've talked about t or the technology perhaps not being powerful enough? >> well, maybe a little bit of both. of course that part of the ocean has never been mapped so there was no way of them to know about some, you know, deep caverns or areas of the ocean there that were deeper that others. but it in some ways, it was good that the submarine did that the bluefin 21 went as far as it was supposed to go and when it ran out of its authority, it came back. if only children behaved that way. i mean, it was kind of good what it did. it didn't go get in trouble and it didn't hurt itself and it came back for more instructions and that's exactly what it was supposed to do so that's good. >> the last thing want is to have to send technology down to find the technology being used to look for the missing plane. jeff weiss sits beside me here. one of the other big updates we have received is the faa announcing kind of a big tech upgrade, going to be putting this gps satellite tracking
technology on all planes by 2020. sounds like a big headline and i know you feel differently because you think there's some weaknesses to the system? >> well, look, this is a big initiative that's been in the works for a long time. it's gonna mandate a replacement of equipment in every air men flying in the controlled airspace. it's a lot of planes. it's a lot of money. it's a big deem for aviation here in the united states. it's gonna change the way that air traffic controllers stay in communication with the planes and know where they are. >> but? >> but the problem is this suspect gonna solve what happened to mh-370. mh-370 was already equipped with this technology. >> had the technology on board. >> this has been rolled out elsewhere in the world. early days of disappearance, you went on the websites to track the progress that's how they knew where it was, it was turned on. it was one of the things turned off, along with the transponder and everything else.
and so, although it's a new system, it's more technologically sophisticated system with lots of great capabilities, it would not have prevented this problem. >> mary, the next step then, all common sense would dictate that you make it so that this tech noll can't be turned off. >> exactly, tough make it mandatory, the nextgen transportation control system. and what nextgen is, it's a series of satellites will control the air traffic and the planes will talk to each other around literally can esequence themselves. the old day, we had the highway in the sky and the air traffic colors are told you where to go. now the planes can self-direct, has energy savings, it's efficient and makes a thing of the past, near mid-air collisions, midair collisions or runway incursions, but it's not mandatory. the government has to make it mandatory for all planes and make it so it cannot be turned off. >> that's the key. all well and good, not turned on, it ain't helping anybody.
mary and jeff, i want you to stick around. we have more questions for you. and i also want to bring up the topic of the cell phone of the co-pilot, it was detected to be on. we want to talk about the significance of that, what it could tell us, what it can't tell us, et cetera. so, again, we are going to have you stick around, we have some viewer questions also like to you take about the search and the mystery. if you want to ask a question about jeff and mary, tweet them to #370 qs. don't forget to look us up on facebook. we are going to return to our coverage of the plane in a second but we want to give you a look at some of the other stories happening at this hour. first up, the kansas shootings. formal hate crime charges could be filed today against frazier glenn cross. he is the 73-year-old man accused of opening fire at two jewish centers on sunday. three people were killed. two of his victims were a teenaged boy and his grandfather. their family is doing what they can to cope, minute by minute. >> just coming together, trying to cope and deal with it as best
we can. this is one of those things never think's gonna happen. and you know, now we are planning for two funerals. >> two funerals they have to plan. now to ukraine, a country in crisis, ukraine's acting president says an anti-terrorist operation has started. we are showing you video of ukrainian troops, of armored personnel carriers and other vehicles on the move today. they now surround the city of slaviniansing according to pro-russian mayor there. we will have an update for you from ukraine coming up. also at this hour, extreme weather moving across the country it is spring, people, sure doesn't look like it a massive storm system dumped heavy, heavy rain in austin, texas. we are told golf ball-sized hail was reported there. winds reaching 40 miles an hour. powerful thunderstorm also roared through southern mississippi, leaving many streets flooded and damaging a trailer spark. we are told two people were injured.
you an insome knee zack you happen to see the blood moon overnight? in case you didn't there you go, courtesy of the folks at the griffith observatory in los angeles. the total lunar eclipse put on quite an amazing show in the night sky. one avon any teacher said this is why you should look up sometimes rather than staring down at your cell phone or your tab let all the time. don't worry if you missed the blood moon >> three more blood moons are expected over the next two years. maybe we will have clearer skies in the east so you can see it. ahead at this hour, the water was just too deep for deep-sea search vehicles. the bluefin sub's rocky first dive goes to show how little we know about our very own planet. we will talk about that more, next. so we talked about her options. her valuable assets were staying. and selling her car wouldn't fly. we helped sydney manage her debt and prioritize her goals, so she could really turn up the volume on her dreams today...and tomorrow. so let's see what we can do about that... remodel. motorcycle.
i think it is fair to say that for many us, all of our lives, space is the final frontier. we have got frontiers right here on earth where no man or machine has ever been before and it just so happens that's exactly where the sonar sub is looking for flight 370678 the search area is so very foreign, the sub couldn't even finish its first dive. >> aborted its mission about the six-hour point. what this vehicle was programminged to do on this mission was maintain an altitude above the sea floor 30 meters while it conducted a side-scan sonar search of the area. now, one condition that cause it is to abort its dive is if it reaches its maximum operating depth of 4500 meters. so, that's what happened in this case. >> what happened indeed. it aborted its own mission. bring in our tom forman, joins us now. tom, we certainly know a fair amount about parts of the moon and mars. it seems we know more about the planet mars than we do about
this part of the ocean. >> well, you know, michaela, we talk about going to space as if it's an easy thing these days. it's not. and when you talk about the deep oceans, it is also a very forbidding environment. once you go below, say, 1,000 meters, you get into an area that very few people have been to more people have been to space than have been down there and this area we are talking about certainly qualifies. at the shallowest part of the slope they seem to be working on, you're talking about one and a half miles deep. if you come down here to the other end, you're somewhere over three miles and we honestly don't really know what's down here. which we don't know if it's very smooth on the bottom if there are a lot of hills and valleys and crags down here, whether it is sitting on the top of something, layers of silt, which could be deep. on top of, which michaela, down at this water this water is barely above freezing that always taxes battery systems, no matter where you put them, the pressure is unbelievably intense
down here and in complete blackness. one advantage, quite calm at this level, very few currents or anything to affect anything down here, but controlling something down here from way up here, getting it back and forth, this is more experimental than the way we have been talking about we talk about like it's a simple thing to do. it's not simple at all. even though they have done it before, hasn't been done so many times this this is routine, michaela. >> i imagine though, like anything, when you go in to learn one thing, end up learning all sorts of other things, that this is unchartered area we have been talking about before. they probably are getting some data and research that they can use for other things. >> yeah, once they finish this mapping of the ocean floor out there, by the time they have been able to go with ships like the "hms echo" and side-scan sonar and pictures of the ocean floor here, yes, we will have a body of knowledge that we absolutely do not have right now about that portion of the ocean floor.
but mapping the entire ocean floor is a gargantuan job that many in the scientific community, of course, would like to see done, they just know it takes lot of time. one of the positives of even a terrible event like this. many, many scientific advances are driven, not just by pure science but by a practical need and this practical need is expanding knowledge right now. >> we have some of the technology available to -- at our hands now to do it. all right, tom foreman, thanks for looking a that the with us. ahead at this hour, is the bluefin-21 capable of completing its mission to search for the wreckage of flight 370? the submarine's first voyage into the deep falls short. we are going to talk to a veteran search expert, see what he has to say, next. [ telephone rings ] [ shirley ] edward jones. [ male announcer ] with nearly 7 million investors... oh hey, neill, how are you?
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welcome back. the unmanned submarine bluefin-21 is set to be relaunched on a second sweep of the ocean floor in the search for the wreckage of flight 370, but as has been the case over and over again in the 39 days since the plane vanished, more set backs. right now, weather. can't argue with weather. earlier, the device aborted its own mission because the ocean floor is deeper than expected. deeper than 15,000 feet. cnn analyst rob mccallum joins us from seattle. he is an ocean search specialist and professional expert digs leader with three decades of experience. really great to have you back on the program with me, rob. let's talk about this initial dive ending so abruptly on the bluefin. it begs the question is its capability enough for this
missio mission? >> well, what we are seeing is it's right on the very edge of its operational parameters. you know, the machine is rated to 4500 meters. and, you know, it's limited by weather and because it operates autonomously, it is programmed if it has any issues, that it has to return back to the support ship. and these are some of the draw backs of operating with auvs. so, if we have good weather and if we don't go below 4500 meters and we can accept that it's, you know, a relatively tight search area, then the bluefin will be okay. >> all right. use your three decades of knowledge and tell me what you would do. are we using a technology, is there other technology or other devices that could be used to aid in the search right now? >> i mean, you know, tough understand that i don't have all the information that the search
leaders have. but you know, if you're wanting to search a broad scale search area, if you want to have a wide swath, then you need to have side-scan sonar with more power and the best way to do that is to have a deep towed sonar, towed behind on a cable and the cable provides electricity to the machine, which gives you a lot greater range, but it also allows to you bring data up the cable so that you're getting information from the machine in realtime. this is an advantage over auvs because, of course, they have to return to the ship and to be downloaded. >> so in a way -- >> the other advantage of the towed -- >> speed up the process because you can -- you can tow, search and send the data kind of continuo continuously, correct? >> that's right. i mean, a towed system is able to operate 24 hours a day and provide data in realtime. and typically, has a coverage
area around five to ten times greater than an auv. >> we have been talking a lot about this -- this area of the ocean, the depth of it, how inhospitable the ocean is. and we were thinking about the ocean floor, that it's never been mapped before. is it a reasonable goal, in your estimation, to map the ocean's floors, the way we have mapped and chartered our oceans? >> i think that's real possibility in the future. up until now, there hasn't been a great drive to map the ocean floor because, of course, as humans, we are really only interested in the little bits that which interact with so the ocean's been mapped mainly for navigational purposes, you know, to look for hazards to shipping. but now that we are driven by science, i think there will be a drive to go deeper and as battery technology improves, and auvs get longer range or we invest in deep towed sonar, then
we will see more mapping of the ocean there are. >> are these deep towed sonar devices, are they widely available or is that a massive investment? >> it depends on the depth rating. you know, for this kind of depth, down to perhaps 6,000 meters or 20,000 feet, there are around eight of these vehicles in the world. they are in industrial use most days. and they are capable of swath widths of, you know, two or even three miles. so, very, very powerful machines, but of course, they are only of use to people who have the specific need in mind to go and find a single target on the sea floor or to map undersea infrastructure, like oil and gas installations. >> or, say, perhaps a missing jetliner in day 39. rob mccallum, you think that we will see this kind of device being used there in the near
future? >> it really depends on how these pinger locations work out. you know, the search controller is obviously very confident in the location that the ping verse been heard at f those pan out to be correct, then bluefin may strike it lucky. but if there's any doubt about that or if this drags on another week or two or we get bad weather as we move into winter, then for certain, we will have to move into deep towed sonar. >> the calendar is clicking away, sometime definitely not on our side. rob mccallum, thanks so much for joining us from seattle. we appreciate it. folks at home, wither taking questions this ongoing mystery, if you have questions about the plane, the search, the investigation, feel free to tweet them to us, #370 qs. look us up on facebook as well. i want to turn to boston now and the scene of another tragedy. today, check your calendar, you know that today's the day the
city remembers a day it would very much like to forget. last year's bombing at the boston marathon finish line. three people died, including an 8-year-old child. 264 were wounded. many others scarred for life. the city is holding a memorial today, paying tribute to the bombing victims. vice president joe biden will be there as part of the ceremony there will be a moment of silence right at the marathon finish line at 2:49 today. the moment that first bomb exploded. that terrible day left brothers jp and paul nordin amputees but grateful to be alive. next monday, they are planning to go back to the bombing scene for this year's race. >> i have stitches right here and staples right there and i have burns on my stomach and my back. and then i had a nail come out of my face right here. and, um, a couple bbs, a bb came out here. >> i have a part of my muscle out here. some more stuff and then my leg
is open from like here to here. so it's sore there. i had -- i didn't get a lot of the burns like them. i did get some, you know, some names and stuff out of here and i've had, you know, little bbs here and there. but i was fortunate. >> and they still consider themselves fortunate. what tremendous, tremendous examples they are of the human spirit. coming up next hour on legal view, we are going to take you live to that memorial event happening in boston today. after a year, boston and the victims impacted by the bombings, they are certainly struggling to move on. if you'd like to help out, if you believe in boston strong, as we all do, you can get some information about some of the survivors. you can look up funds set up to assist them. we have got all of that information at cnn.com/impact. we encourage you to go there and be a part of the movement. ahead this hour, we are
going to talk more about that mystery cell phone signal in the ongoing flight of mystery flight 370. the co-pilot's phone apparently was detected after flight 370 made that westward turn. is there something buried in that detail that could help explain what exactly happened? we will suss it out. at your ford dealer think?
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at this hour, search crews are hoping to relaunch the unmanned submarine bluefin-21. the weather today, however, preventing the device from being deployed. crews plan to move to a shallower area and try again as soon as possible. the first deployment of the underwater vehicle to hunt for flight 370 ended abruptlism the drone resurfaced after just 7 1/2 hours into a mission that was supposed to have lasted 24 hours. officials say a built-in safety feature automatically aborted the mission when the device exceeded its maximum depth. also today, the first data from bluefin-21 was analyzed. the u.s. navy says no objects of interest so far have been found. another interesting piece of the puzzle, investigators trying to determine the significance of
a cell phone signal, it was picked up from the co-pilot's cell phone after the plane made that suspicious west turn. cnn seasty analyst david suoucy say that should never happen. >> rare in my opinion to have someone with a cell phone on in the cockpit, never supposed to be on at all, part of every economic list i'm familiar w >> not supposed to be on. it is interesting to hear david say that certain protocols pilots are supposed to follow, especially in the precheck and once they are in the air. right. >> what is your take away about this cell phone being detected on the co-pilot's cell phone? >> i think given that they do have this very specific checklist, that is part of the checklist, i find it very suspicious that the cell phone signal was picked up. it was picked up in an area that, you can see the cell phone tower sort of near the coast, it
was picked up when the plane was below the 10 to 12,000-feet mark, which is where you need to be the most part to get a signal in the sky. to me, it smells very much of this was a phone that was turned on, not left on after the departure. quick, easy way to find out if it was left on from departure is -- well -- >> that does happen. >> a quick, size from the -- describing it in terms of technology, not so much the way we have been getting information on this. they could check the cell towers at the airport where the plane left and sort of the path that it takes when it takes off, because one of those cell towers where were this cell phone left on would pick up the hardware shake every cell phone makes when it is near a tower. >> the thing that some people are wondering, why then were there not those cell phone handshake signals detected from another passenger? the fact is there's always somebody who forgets to turn off their cell phone, whether they fall asleep before takeoff, why that might not have been
detected? >> that's where this becomes a little more questionable, because one of the statistics i heard was 30% of passengers. >> is it that much? >> forget to turn their phone off. i have done it before the time you remember when it's turned on is when it starts ringing, oh, my gosh, my cell phone was left on. but this is -- it's very unusual that it was pinged on the -- on a cell phone tower. it does suggest it was turned on and maybe tried to be used. >> i want to get your expertise with the other issue with the flight. the faa announcing that gps satellite tracking technology this technology that has been around and is in use right now in some planes, some airlines use it, will be in all planes by 2020. what is this technology? how will it work? give us a briefer. >> it is the fa a's nextgen technology, developing it for quite some time. most have technology in them in the cockpit, watch where you're going with gps. this will actually roll it out to be used for guidance and for
tracking. what's interesting about this is it has, like, a two-way communication. so an airplane can say i'm here and a nearby airplane can say, okay, well, i'm here and it is going to give us a lot more control. it's gonna let planes fly closer together no longer flying between way points, actually flying more direct, be better for the environment because they will be able to fly shorter route bus gives pilots and air traffic controllers a lot more information about where airplanes in the sky >> the one if is if it's turned on. >> if it's turned on. >> sounds like mh-370 had this -- >> >> their transponder shut off. interesting to see if this technology, ritter adsb to stay on or if it will have the ability to be shut off. something like this is very critical. >> my vote to keep it on. >> yeah it is shocking that our smartphones, tablets, laptops have gps in them but billion dollar commercial airplanes are flying under the radar.
>> brent larson, good to have you on our radar. appreciate it. ahead at this hour, a story out of kansas, a 73-year-old former ku klux klan leader charged with murder in that kansas shooting. will hate crimes be among the charges he faces? we will bring you a live report. orbiting the moon in 1971. [ male announcer ] once it's earned, usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection. and because usaa's commitment to serve current and former military members and their families is without equal. begin your legacy. get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve.
three lives cut short, the suspect, frazier glenn cross, faces two charges so far, one count of capital murder, one count of premeditated murder. additional charges could come soon. our george howell is in overland park, where we have just learned today of the charges he is going to be facing. what else can you tell us, george? >> reporter: well, michaela, when it comes to those two charges, we know that prosecutor does not have to declare the sentence that they will be going for, but we do know that the sentence can be life without parole or can be the death
penalty. that's something, again they don't have to declare at this point. we knee cross will be in court at 2:30 p.m. eastern time here in the johnson county courthouse and the bond has been set at $10 million. but again, as you mentioned, right now, looking at one charge of capital murder for the death of william corporan and reed underwood, he drove his grandson here to the jewish community center, his grandson was going to perform, compete in a singing competition. both were shot and killed in their car. a mile away also, i want to talk about this first degree premeditated murder charge, that's for the death of theresa lamatto. if you would, take a listen to this news conference, turned around a sound bite as to what prosecutors announced to the public. let's take a listen. >> good morning, everyone. we are here to announce that this morning, we filed two charges related to this case, one count of capital murder for
the deaths of william corporan and reit underwood and one count of first degree premeditated murder in the death of theresa la man know. the bond is currently saturday $10 million. his first appearance is today at 1:30 at the johnson county courthouse. >> reporter: 1:30 p.m. central time, 2:30 p.m. eastern time. we will, of course, follow those developments to reiterate, we know the bond has been set at $10 million. and at this point, prosecutors could seek life without parole or they could seek the death penalty. they are not indicating either at this point. but we will, of course, follow the latest and bring you what we find. >> george, i know a lot of people were wondering if hate crime charges would be pursued here. we know that this -- this situation, all three of the victims were outside jewish community centers, jewish facilities, yet it turns out all of them were cristance. so, do we know anything more
about that? was any of that brought up in the press conference today? >> reporter: it was not brought up in this particular press conference, but you know, as far as the landscapele of newsgathering, what we've heard yesterday, as far as federal prosecutors, we understand that they may look into whether this case could basically get to the point of being a hate crime. we also heard though from police who believe that it is a hate crime. so, prosecutors will be following golden gate through the process of understanding all the evidence and we presume will make that official announcement if they deem it appropriate. what we do know though today from this press conference is that these prosecutors will file these two charges. again, the charge of premeditated murder for the death of theresa la man know and then capital murder charge for the death of -- the grandfather and grandson, r represent it underwood and william corporan, both killed here at the community center. >> wait to see if other charges
are imminent. thank you so much for that report from kansas. short break here. ahead at this hour, an ominous turn in ukraine, ukrainian military is on the move. could be headed for a showdown with pro-russian separatists. give you a live update, coming up. room [ woman ] driverless mode engaged. find parking space. [ woman ] parking space found. [ male announcer ] ...that secured the data that directed the turbines that powered the farm that made the milk that went to the store that reminded the man to buy the milk that was poured by the girl who loved the cat. [ meows ] the internet of everything is changing everything. cisco. tomorrow starts here. without standard leather. you are feeling exhilarated with front-wheel drive. you are feeling powerful with a 4-cylinder engine. [ male announcer ] open your eyes... to the 6-cylinder, 8-speed lexus gs. with more standard horsepower
slaviyansk, a city with pro-russian leanings, headed for perhaps another showdown. a phone call between president obama and russian president putin and another strong urging for the russian president -- russian leader, rather, to withdraw his troops from the border. arwa damon joins us now in kiev. we know the campaign against the separatists has started. what more do we know about it? >> reporter: well, as you mentioned, there's a lot of fast-moving events when it comes to the city of slaviansk. the pro-russian mayor there reportedly saying that the ukrainian military has that city surrounded but saying that if they do enter the city, they will take actions to stop them. separately from that, russian security forces also launching another there the security forces have reportedly been able to take over the airfield. the president here, the acting
president, telling parliament just a short while ago that ukrainian special forces did manage to clear pro-russian activists protesters out of that area. the spokeswoman for the acting president, going even further, vowing that shortly, very soon, she said, there will be no more terrorists on ukrainian territory. it does seem at this stage the ukrainian government is making good on its promise to try to retake control of this country. >> but i guess, arwa, the concern here is couldn't this give president putin the excuse he needs to send troops into eastern ukraine, under the pretext of protecting the russian-speaking people there? >> that very much is the concern. the issue here has not been whether or not ukraine has military capability to take these various areas that are under pro-russian activist control, but what the ripple
effect of that kind of action would be, the russians have around 40,000 troops stationed along the russian/ukrainian border. russia constantly maintaining those troops are there for military exercises, but the russian president himself has constantly maintained that russia reserves the right tro poe protect its interest located inside ukraine. in fact, the united nations human rights council recently released a report saying it was greatly concerned about the parallels that x s that exist activities in eastern ukraine and those we saw in crimea. >> we know the youukrainian government has asked the u.n. for assistance. what particular assistance is the u.n. asking for? >> well, that was a request that came from the acting president, who told u.n. secretary-general ban ki-moon that they would
welcome united nations assistance as part of this anti-terrorism campaign. of course, much has developed since then. the ukrainian government has been calling for assistance not just from the united nations but also the united states, europe, nato as well. all of those parties have been urging the russian government to move their military troops back from the border to try to deescalate the situation. again, circumstances here moving very, very quickly. >> arwa damon in ukraine, developing news there almost by the minute. thank you so much for bringing us up to date. ahead at this hour, our experts are going to answer your questions about flight 370. yes, some good ones about black boxes, tracking systems and cell phones. [ male announcer ] this is the cat that drank the milk... [ meows ]
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you who have been sending us questions via facebook and twitter. we have those questions we're going to put to our experts now. why don't we start with the news about the faa doing a big trek upgrade so planes can be tracked by gps rather than ground radar. the question, why can't we make this tech affordable so it can be mandated all over the world? >> the cost is a big issue with this. it's not just the big planes that are going to have to carry this kind of equipment, everything has to carry this kind of equipment. i recreationally fly a piper built in 1947. that has to have this new equipment installed and it costs thousands of dollars because everything that shared the airspace, including now increasingly drones, they all have to be able to see and detect each other or it doesn't work. because you don't want to run into anything. around the world, this problem becomes greater. already as we've seen this plane was flying from malaysia to china. it was equipped already with this sort of equipment. >> mary, i'll put the next
question to you. do black box flight recorders have serial numbers to prove that it's from flight 370? >> they do. black boxes are aircraft specific and they have identification numbers, as do literally almost all critical parts on the plane. they have unique identification numbers that say that that part is on this plane and those records have to be maintained by the airline. >> and that way they can always confirm, in case there was other debris or an area where let's say it wasn't at the bottom of the ocean, maybe the end of a runway, they could make sure that belongs to the flight in question. another question here, pass be passengers of flight 93 -- i know you were involved, when they learned their plane had been kidnapped flooded the air waves with cell phone calls to family. why wasn't their cell phone traffic following traffic and for those many hours? >> see, i think that's a very big mystery. i can't believe there isn't or
there wasn't. unless truly folks just didn't know anything was going on and didn't have a chance to respond. if something was going on on the plane. because not just on flight 93 and the public probably didn't hear a lot about the others, but we worked on those cases for 11 years. on every single flight, people managed to get out phone calls. that's what led us know what was going on on the planes. it wasn't just flight 93, it was all of them it it was unbelievably useful for the investigation those passengers and flight attendants were able to do that. >> on this day, over 30 days in, what is the biggest question mark to you? what is the point you want to understand and know, jeff? >> the big one i've been talking about for a long time now is that ping data we know the malaysians have, they've been resistant to releasing it. i think a lot could be understood about where the plane was and what happened to it if
we let different experts look at it. that's really the big one. >> mary, you've pushed for this as well. if other experts around the world can crunch some of this data. >> that's right. people i'm sure jeff gets the same thing, people send me things all the time that they have found, and it's really truly remarkable findings. so i think that data. but also the malaysian radar data, both the civilian and military radar data, would be tremendously helpful. as you know, i'm a skeptic about the military data. that would be a tremendous boost to figure out what went wrong and where truly is the aircraft. >> a healthy dose of swekeptici is always warranted, as far as i'm concerned. want to say thank you to all of you at home for et twooi intwee question, joining us on facebook. that wraps it up for this hour.
"legal view" with chris cuomo, a very special edition of "legal view," start also right now. 12 months ago today, two bombs exploded 12 seconds apart near the boston marathon finish line. this hour, the city honors the victims and hails the heroes, showing the world what it means to be boston strong. also ahead today, two of the deep ocean search teams battling weather and hoping the sub's second run goes better than the first. and the ukrainian military on the move this hour, vowing to take on pro-russian forces in the east. so did that obama/putin phone call do anything to calm the crisis?