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that is it for us, make sure you set your dvrs so you never miss "ac360." cnn with bill weir starts right now. good evening, i'm bill weir, this is cnn tonight. thank you for joining us. and as we wind down our thursday here in the united states friday dawn is breaking, and developing stories are on the other side of the planet. could this be the day searchers off the west coast of australia finally find a sign that the flight 370 was in the same spot they went back to yesterday, possibly encouraging sign they have something they're convinced they should go on?
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six weeks after the flight was presumed missing. meanwhile, off the coast of south korea, the loved ones on the capsized boat, the family members hoping they could still be alive in the upside down vessel. the effort to pump air into the side of the vessel, some rescue divers needing rescuers themselves. and just before dawn, friday morning in ukraine, the tinder box nation seemingly on the verge of civil war or a possible invasion. today brought disturbing reports that armed separatist in the region demand that local jews register themselves and pay fees. now, whether this is a crude hoax or not, they are trying to get them to back down.
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today we have a former member of the kgb with insight into the possible grand plans. it is a busy hour, and let's get started with the news on flight 370, nic robertson is in kuala lumpur. and let's start with michael on day 42 of the search, down under. >> reporter: good morning to you, the planes are up again, the ships are also searching looking for wreckage on the surface, of course no luck. so far we're now in week six of this search. the bluefin-21, the underwater vessel has now searched a total of 120 square kilometers. about 50 square miles in its first four trips to the ocean floor, depths of between 3200 and 4700 meters. data has been analyzed on trips one through three. they have not found anything significant. we're waiting on the results of trip four, and we believe trip five is already under way. one positive note.
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apparently the bluefin-21 is getting good images down there with that side scan sonar giving 3-d images of the ocean floor. but of course everyone is just hoping it will find some sign of flight 370. we'll tell you bill, we're talking to people involved in the search and off the record there expressing a lot of confidence they are in the right place. let's remember this is only trip five. there is a long way to go, bill. >> what about the oil sample, the slick discovered over the weekend, tested and turned out not to be a match. did that deflate hopes? >> well, not really. i think a lot of people saw that oil slick as a long shot at best. they took that sample of two liters. and because this is all happening outside the coast it took them a few days to get it back here and get it analyzed. they were hoping it could prove to be something, engine from the
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oil planes or perhaps hydraulic fluid. they tested it. it is not related to the airliner. and probably a little bit of disappointment that it was not related but they really didn't hold out a whole lot of hope that it would be conclusive, bill. >> and how about the status of the air search? >> it is interesting, angus houston, the man heading up this search. it was interesting he saw the search winding down in the next few days. well, it continues, there is another pace. with planes up there, and in fact we have a crew on one of them. and we'll get more on the report from miguel marquez about that flight. and crews had searched before where you remember a chinese vessel reported a ping which turned out to be nothing. but they're going down there and re-visiting that particular area because of the sea patterns and the way the currents have moved, they have shut that down.
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no word on they have found. and nic robertson in kuala lumpur. we saw numbers, nic, in terms of the cost of this search. nearly a quarter of a billion dollars. is that a projected cost or is that up until right now? day 42? >> reporter: yeah, that is the projected cost, bill. it basically says look, when this current search area which is a limited area is done, if nothing is found there then there will be another search area back along the arc of the sort of satellite track, 30 miles long, and across. when you get into that and start to work on that that the costs -- this is what the cost projection looks at. so a quarter of a billion dollars potentially. we're not there yet. but of course somebody has got to pay for this. and that discussion is already under way, bill.
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>> yeah, i'm sure for the families it does not matter who pays as long as they just keep looking there. and speaking of those families we talked last night about them sort of taking matters into their own hands, organizing. listing 26 questions on that. where does that stand? will they get the answers they want? >> reporter: i would say if you ask them at the moment they're not particularly hopeful. we've heard from malaysian authorities who say that they are going to send a high level delegation in the next couple of days to beijing to brief the families. but the acting transport minister at the press briefing here earlier on thursday made it very clear that this perhaps dealing with the families is perhaps the toughest thing. he likened it to the experience with the air france investigators found a few years ago. this is what he said. >> the french team that dealt with the french airline has told me that the most difficult part
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of any investigation of this nature is having to deal with the families. in our case, we are dealing with 14 different nationals. so just focusing on the chinese families, i think is not fair to the other nationals who do not have the same problems. >> yeah, well, a lot of the families here would say they don't feel as if they really have had the adequate answers and wouldn't put themselves on a par with the families waiting for information from that air france flight. they really feel the malaysian authorities have been coming up short on this one, bill. >> okay, nic robertson in malaysia tonight, thank you. and let's talk about the developments today or the lack thereof, with mary schiavo, department of transportation attorney for victims, and david souci, author of "why planes crash" good to have you both back with us. let's talk about the bluefin-21. this is interesting, this came from angus houston, this is a
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statement they put out early this morning our time. the underwater search has been significantly narrowed through detailed acoustic analysis, recovered on four different trips. this analysis has allowed a definition of more reduced and more focused underwater search area. you know, we're taking bits of optimism wherever we can find them, david. does that indicate to you that this is why that bluefin, it keeps going back to the same relative spot? >> yeah, and what he says makes sense to me. because i have looked at those acoustic pings before and seen what they did with the acoustic analysis. they're looking at the amplitudes and how loud the signals are. they're looking at the click, and that can be further analyzed to see how loud it is.
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and from that they can extrapolate from that. >> and some sound engineer figures out just how far away the device might have been? >> yeah, it is like tuning your tv. what they're doing is getting the picture better. but the picture in terms of pinpointing where the sound is actually coming from. and they can tell the distance. they can tell the angles, et cetera, and so they're just refining their data is what they're doing. just making it clearer to the searchers where they should emphasize their resources. >> right, but i guess no indication that the bluefin actually saw something? or quote unquote saw something. >> right, but what is good about it, is it can see something. do you see what i'm saying? now we know the functionality can perform, the environment is conducive to being able to find something. so in my estimation, what we're
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doing so far is to establish the ground work, the basis. >> lot of fingers crossed but if nothing turned up in this area, mary, we're talking now about a potential new search area that involves a wide arc. sort of from where there was that digital hand shake between flight 370 and the satellite there. this is a strip of sea that is huge. 370 miles, i think. 30 miles wide, 370 miles long. how long would that take? >> months or even years. and angus houston has already said, and so has the australian prime minister that after they have exhausted this area with this ping search area that they will stop and regroup. they will try to refine their data and try to decide what their next step is before they launch off on that huge search. so yeah, if this is not the place, the next search area is gigantic. it is months and months. and more costly than the price
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tag they have just estimated, by the way. >> yeah, well speaking of that price tag what does it mean to you in your experience when numbers start getting floated? dollar signs, does is that bode well for the families when they start to tally the costs? >> well, it doesn't, because then we get into legalese problems, we don't have a lot of right to pick on those, because in the massive cases like twa, that was more than the ntsb's annual budget what that cost. so various government agencies and search and rescue teams were said to ask twa's insurers saying hey, it is time to step up and pay for it. this is the airline's fault and the aircraft's fault in the end. so they said no, it is not our job to do that. so there will be hard questions, most commercial flights are insured about a half a billion.
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overseas, they're estimating less, maybe less than a billion. if it is a crime against the airline they have yet another policy. it is time to ask the airlines and insurers what they're going to cover. >> mary, david, thank you so much. the families are not the only ones waiting for closure. law enforcement officials around the world still consider this an open case with no group claiming responsibility for taking that jet. of course, the terrorism angle is still an open question. and with questions of counterterrorism, they can't afford to dismiss the possibility. >> when a plane goes missing, a malaysian plane even, do you get a call at the nypd? >> yes. we get a call right away. and the call obviously has the question, but it doesn't have the answer. one of the great concerns here
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is that may be a malaysian plane missing and it may be missing somewhere between malaysia and australia and that seems a world and a half away and no threat to new york city. so there we're good. but we're not. because you have to wake up every day with the question saying until i understand what happened to that plane, how it happened to that plane and whether it involves some aspect of terrorism i don't know the answer that i need to have to protect every other plane coming out of here. it means there is what we call an intelligence gap. a black hole where we don't have the information and we need it. >> there have been no signatures attached to this missing plane that you would see historically, right? >> no, i've been briefed on the open source information in some detail. and the classified information in some detail. and there is no clear answer there. >> so how do you investigate something that has no crime
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scene yet? are you just waiting to find the black boxes until you can assess? go forward? >> well, it is an international effort with a lot of partners. what we count on is there is going to be information sharing when the answers are clear. they're just not yet. so you do what you have to do within the world of an intelligence gap which is if you don't know what lives in that black hole you have to think of everything that is a possibility. and you talk to your federal partners. you talk to the airport, you task your human sources and tell everybody to watch, and say what clues can we get from this that makes us sharper, smarter, better looking at aviation security until we know. >> had a wide-ranging conversation with commissioners bratton, on whether we can learn
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search area off australia is
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so deep there are only six manned submarines in the world that can handle pressure underneath all that water. but if and when they find the plane they may need one of those subs to perform the difficult, delicate recovery to give us the skills and sense needed for such a job, cnn's david mattingly is here to give a demonstration. and to give the willies to claustrophobics everywhere. >> reporter: that is correct, we are off horseshoe bay here. but the conditions here are very similar to what a manned mission may encounter at the bottom of the indian ocean where they're searching right now. and phil nuytten is with me right now. a deep dive expert. and he actually develops the vehicles that we're in right now. so phil, you have explained to
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me that this is a game of inches. something very delicate. that if you're going to go down and collect a black box you can't just go down, and zip right back up with it? >> no, that is very true. >> reporter: we have a black box right here already in the claw of this vehicle. and just show me o-- it is a vey delicate operation just to put it into the basket that we need to put it in to carry it back up to the surface. and while you're watching this, notice how the water is moving and how cloudy it is here. it is sediment that can be a problem if you stir it up. it is almost like blowing into a handful of flour. you would be blind for a while. and every motion like this, you would just have to stop and wait for the sediment to stop before you can start back over again. and this is right in front of our face here, still it is not an easy thing to do, is it?
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>> no, it is not. and you described it very well. it is a game of inches. as you move through the water, you stir up the bottom. you have to keep stopping and wait for the sediment to settle down and inch forward. you don't want to lose it. so you have to be very careful, a, not to damage it, and b, to bring it back up. right now it looks like it is back in the box, but the manipulator is now holding it in position so we're safe to bring it up in this condition. >> what would be the most dangerous thing to be that deep in the water where you have so few submersibles capable of reaching those depths? >> well, of course it comes to mind, if you're in a submersible, you like to know if there are rescue vehicles -- in this case, there are remote -- >> rovs, that have the tethers?
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>> and the power comes from the surface. so they're relying on that to be able to move. relying on the communication link to be able to see where to move. and of course -- but anything that is fit with the thrusters are, which rovs are, and verticals are, you will kick up dust. >> right, that is one of the advantages of having human eyes down here. if you're looking you can see just how much sediment there is in the water right now. and we have these very bright lights. four of them on the outside of this vehicle that we're in right now. and still, bill, we can only see about four feet in front of us. so you would have to know exactly where that black box is to come down and then grab it with the claw before you can take it back up on the top. >> that is very true. and that is where things like
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rovs come into their own, because they're going to be able to go down and survey the situation. and possibly do the -- work that we were just doing here. but also pave the way and do the location for the manned subs that might come down. >> so robotics possibly to do the scouting. but then it takes the human touch to actually go down and retrieve the black box. again, bill, as you can see nothing down here is going to be easy. >> david, what a great illustration. yeah, what a great illustration of the difficulty there. as well. and who knows how long they would have to pick through the plane to find the black box going forward. appreciate that intimate interview you guys are doing down there. when we come back we're going to get a live report from south korea on another desperate search for survivors who may be trapped inside that capsized ferry. this is mike. his long race day starts with back pain...
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. executives and employees of the office have committed a grave sin, we sincerely apologize to the victims and their families as well as people of the country. >> that is the anguished president of the company that operates the ship that capsized, killing at least 20 people. but words are little comfort to the families, it is already friday morning off the coast of south korea, where bad weather, dangerous conditions are ham
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hamperring efforts for the search teams. even though the hull is completely under water they hope that the air pockets keep some of the missing passengers alive. rescue crews have pulled 179 people from the water. and now it is truly a race against time. cnn's kyung lah is live at the station in jindo, south korea and joins us now, kyung, it must just be pure anguish for the families there behind you. >> reporter: and we're seeing public outbreaks of that anguish, because as the minutes tick by we're now 72 hours after the ship went down, almost 74 hours, in fact. it is just getting harder and harder to bear what is just growing bad news. we're seeing these families break down and cry. earlier they invited cnn as one of the media cameras to air some of their frustrations to the
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captain, asking why did you get out? why are the children still aboard that ship? they're angry at the government. so we're starting to see that anguish, that pain, that sense of loss or confusion spilling over into frustration and anger. i don't know if you can hear, there are still -- you can hear family members screaming in the background, crying, it is extraordinarily difficult to hear this over and over again. what they are looking for, though, is more news, there is a news conference happening right now. it is being carried by all the national broadcasters. and these updates that they're getting, they're exactly the number you were just talking about. 271 missing, 25 confirmed deaths. and perhaps the worst news of all, bill, is what you just said. that the entire ship is now under water. >> what is so outrageous, as well and adds only fuel to the rage, the justifiable rage, the captain is reportedly one of the
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first people off the ship. here is a bit of sound here sort of apologizing, hanging his head in shame. take a listen. any words for the family members of the missing. i am sorry. i am at a loss for words. >> yeah. now, is there any word that he could be charged, criminally, kyung? and i also wonder if he split who is giving the order for all of those kids to stay put in their cabins? >> reporter: it is a little unclear, you know, what sort of charges he might face. it is maritime law here in this country that the captain is to stay with the vessel. but he didn't appear to escape on a life boat. he was rescued on one of the rescue ships. it is not really clear how long it took him to get on that rescue ship. but certainly the fact that he is alive while there are still so many missing, especially these high school students, that
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is really what is enraging all of these family members. as far as whether or not he made that announcement that is very unclear. there are some mixed reports about who exactly was at the helm. who exactly was driving this ship. it does appear according to local news reports that he was not that person. so a lot of confusion about where his presence was, why he got out. but that is really what is fuelling the anger here, why is it that he left this vessel while passengers were told to stay? >> okay, kyung lah, in south korea. and joining us from seoul, south korea, lieutenant arrelo abrahamson, and we're going to talk to you, professor, in just
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a second about the idea there could be air pockets there. but let's start with lieutenant abrahamson. tell me what you know about the rescue efforts, how many divers, there was word that they might actually try to pump oxygen into the hull. what can you tell us, lieutenant? >> yeah, well thank you for having me this morning here in seoul. and first, i would like to say that our thoughts and prayers remain with the passengers of this ferry during this very difficult and uncertain time. what i can tell you from the u.s. navy perspective is that the uss bonhomme is continuing the rescue efforts, they have helicopter operations participating. and in addition we have liaisons helping to make sure there is good communications. from us, from the navy perspective this is about friends helping friends. and we'll do everything we can to assist our south korean
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partners to bring back just even one person to their families. >> appreciate that. but do you have any details on the efforts to save these folks? >> well, i can just speak to the u.s. navy and what we're doing, and we have the helicopters that are participating in the effort that we made good conduct with the south korean authorities. we're working with the on-scene commander. and i can tell you that everybody that is down there from the u.s. navy is working with a sense of urgency to support our south korean partners and look for the lost passengers. >> okay, now that the hull itself is completely sub merged is there any hope there is an air pocket underneath the surface? >> thank you for having me, and i would first like to send out my condolences. this must be very difficult for the families of the passengers still on board and that are not accounted for. well, you know, the best chance you have for survival in a situation like this is having a well-trained and efficient and competent crew. and it seems in this case there
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are some questions about that crew. and led by that captain. and you know, a ship has many compartments with hatches that are water tight and air tight. and so decisive quick action, correct action, when things went wrong is what would have saved many lives, right, leading to a proper evacuation, but also making sure the air compartments are air tight and water tight. and to the extent that occurred there could well be air pockets and people have been known to survive for quite sometime in very deep water in these air pockets. >> yeah, the most recent example, striking example, last winter, there was a chef on board a nigerian ferry that lived for three days. >> that is right, he lived for three days. so essentially there are three main things for people that survive the actual capsizing of the ship. three dangers, one is the temperature. if you're in the cold water you're not going to last for very long.
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another is as you're in the air pocket you will use up oxygen, and carbon dioxide, the chef could have survived about 70 hours. lucky for him he was saved after 60. >> wow, we can only hope that some of these high school kids are similarly lucky. professor, lieutenant, thank you both for checking in with us. when we come back we'll have the latest on what is happening in ukraine, a former general in the russian spy agency, the kgb offers insight into russian president vladimir putin's way of thinking. stay with us. how much money do you think you'll need when you retire? then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last. i was trying to, like, pull it a little further. [ woman ] got me to 70 years old. i'm going to have to rethink this thing. it's hard to imagine how much we'll need for a retirement that could last 30 years or more. so maybe we need to approach things differently,
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to h li . there were some key developments today regarding the tense situation in ukraine, some of the developments hopeful, others down right ugly. there was violence, a gang of 300 pro-russian militants, and there was an attack on the military base.
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three people killed, 13 wounded which only added urgency to the diplomatic efforts in geneva, where officials from russia and the ukraine and the european union met to calm things down at least in that public setting. the russians went along with the statement, calling for armed groups to disband, and the army bases they seized. but those 40,000 russian troops remain right on ukraine's border. and then there is the shocking move out of the city there where they handed out leaflets, wanting jewish residents to register and document their property or face deportation. well, the chief rabbi from the synagogue tried to downplay the incident as a minor provocation, secretary of state john kerry's reaction was swift. >> just in the last couple of days, notices were sent to jews in one city, indicating that they have to identify themselves as jews.
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in the year 2014, after all of the miles traveled and all of the journey of history this is not just intolerable. it is grotesque. >> it all speaks to the tension and suspicion over vladimir putin's recent moves. and joining me now, someone who knows the russian president from their days in the kgb, a former general in the soviet agency. since getting asylum and becoming a citizen of the united states, he is one of his chief critics, oleg, thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> tell me about putin, the man, what do you remember about your first impressions and as you watched him grow to power, what do you think of him now? >> well, i met mr. putin years ago when i was first deputy chief of the leningrad kgb
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office. and he was one of the officers who i met just casually. i never talked to him. but, later, well, putin proved to be a man who makes good relationships with the right people. actually, at some point after his brief service in east germany when he came back to st. petersburg, he had no job. and the former mayor of st. petersburg, one of the former leaders of russia just he picked him up as a former student. and in that new position and an assistant to the mayor of st. petersburg. putin proved to be very useful. and even people in the kremlin administration and president yeltsin said how come in
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leningrad they have better lives than in moscow, and he said well, i have a very good assistant. so that assistant, mr. putin, was invited to moscow and became deputy chief of the business administration. from that moment on he would start reforms in his own way. and this is part of his character in that sense, russia is lucky. well, in a political sense it is a different story. but as a man who has enterprising nature, the man who knows how to handle things. >> what do you think he is up to when it comes to ukraine? is this purely about national pride, and purely about reaping the fruits of the empire without having to pay for it? what is his end game? >> well, let me remind putin's words years ago. the collapse of the ussr was the greatest geo-political disaster of the 20th century. these are putin's words, i quote.
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well, ukraine is part of the slavic community. and ukraine was so close to russia in many ways that the separati separation, the gradual departure is really from many points, strategic militarily. and putin tried to stop the process. but in the old days when nazi germany invaded the ussr, some of the citizens of ukraine assisted. there was actually a guy who sort of collaborated with the germans. and he was later captured and well, killed. but these so-called nationalist sentiments are still pretty strong in ukraine. and ukraine doesn't want necessarily to develop the way the russians do. well, the russians would not want, and that is why they always finger the united states as the guys who stand behind and
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conspire to split the ussr, the old soviet style propaganda is back in russia. >> it is back in a big way. thank you for your time. we appreciate you visiting tonight. oleg kalugin. and how about an amaze iing story of forgiveness, happening in iran where public hangings are part of the justice system. and a man was taken to the gall gallows this week. this is his mother sitting in front of the watching audience. and this is the mother of the victim. see, under sharia law, the family has the right to literally kick the chair out from under the feet of the accused in the noose. and as the parents approach the gallows, and as the mother slaps his face, everyone assumes
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this helps stop movement and helps prevent gum irritation so you can keep enjoying life. [ apple crunches ] fixodent. and forget it. back toe mystery of flight 370. the bluefin, the floating microphone is under the waves for the fifth time. it did not detect a jet. joined by a specialist in ocean searches and andy pastor, science correspondent at the "wall street journal" with. andy, your paper is reporting the plane may have been headed toward perth on auto pilot. what can you tell us about what? >> martin dolan, the head of the australian accident investigation bureau told one of my colleagues that they have a theory it was on auto pilot and may have been headed to perth. this is still to be checked out and everyone is treating it as a
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potential theory and may explain the why of the investigation but it doesn't help folks understand or get a better information about where the plane may have been. >> what's your take on the strategy now of sending this single bluefin down to this area, confident they have sort of triangulated the pings through audio analysis? >> this investigation has been, and the search has been a roller coaster from the beginning. a lot of unusual events. there are two extra order strands we should think of with some perspective. number one, there's no debris. all of your viewers know there is no debris an that means it is harder to find the wreckage and harder for investigators to get early clues about the plane when a maneuvers it may have been doing and its attitude when they went in the water. their previous examples from early clues helped the investigators.
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the second extraordinary strand is the extent of interdisciplinary experts. you have experts that are space scientists and physicists looking at the satellite data and the transmissions between the satellite and plane. my colleagues and i wrote a story that explain in arcane way they looked at the temperature of the satellite and the temperature of the satellite communication systems on the aircraft and they were able to use these temperature variations to determine slight fluctuations in the frequency of the communications in the radio waves. this is one more element to try to get closer to where they really think the plane hit the water. >> interesting. rob, i understand you have been down deep, a couple of miles below the surface. what's the pressure do to a
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triple seven plane and to the black box? >> well, you know, pressure really affects spaces that have air within them. anything that can be crushed is usually flattened ann and ruptures like fire extinguishers, oxygen bottles that type of thing. anything that doesn't have gas in it will remain intact as it was on the surface. >> what do you make of the bluefin search area, the strategy? why not put more assets down there? >> well, at the moment, the team are very confident they have these pingers located. so what they are doing now is they are exploring that with a technical asset, the bluefin f. that doesn't pan out for whatever reason, they'll move to more strategic tool and get something with more range and
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mow the lawn along the last aircraft track, the is so-called arc if you like. >> hang with me. one more segment. when we come back we will talk about other leads officials may pursue. (music) defiance is in our bones. defiance never grows old. citracal maximum. calcium citrate plus d. highly soluble, easily absorbed. they don't know it yet, but they're gonna fall in love, get married, have a couple of kids, [ children laughing ] move to the country, and live a long, happy life together where they almost never fight about money. [ dog barks ] because right after they get married,
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[sis when i said i weren't ready to have a baby, we're actually eight-weeks pregnant. [women] shut up! [brother-in-law off camera] we're pregnant! [woman] you're kidding me! [man] shut up! [woman] shut up! [screams] take the kid,take the kid,take the kid!
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[woman] oh my god! [everyone laughter,crying] back now with rob mccallum,
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specialist in ocean searches and andy pazstor. if i put you in charge of the search tomorrow, what would you do, andy? >> yes. i couldn't hear your question. >> okay. let me try it again. rob, can you hear me? rob can't hear me. andy, what information do you think -- you know, the cell phone ping that we got earlier. a u.s. official telling cnn it tried to make contact. that the co-pilot's cell phone ping seems like such incomplete information. >> hard to tell what it means. we have to -- let's look at what the investigators are saying. angus houston, who's coordinating the search says the data we have got is the data we have a got and we will act on the basis of that. he is realistic.
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he thinks they have the necessary information to find the wreckage and black box. if this doesn't work out f. the estimates, tweaking of the data, revisions and fine tuning turn out not to be correct, we are in for a long, difficult search way beyond anything we are talking about now. >> strange. rob, if i could give you the power to take over the search tomorrow, would you do anything different? >> no, i wouldn't. i would focus on the pingers. that's the best hope we have got but i would be consider running a search pattern right down that arc, that aircraft track, and searching that 360-mile by 30-mile box. that would take around 60 days. >> 60 days. my goodness. we are hoping against hope for any sort of hint of optimism in the search for the plane. rob, thank you so much. andy, appreciate your reporting, as well with. that's all for us tonight.
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