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we are coming to you live from boston where today this city finishes the race. i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." the world lead. who are those masked men? for weeks the u.s. has accused the u.s. of putting forces in there without admitting it and now the ukraine says that they have the photos to prove it. the navy's robosub has covered half of the area but so far no wreckage. shouldn't they have found something by this point? is it time for a new approach? and we are back in boston as the city laces up its running shoes after last year's nightmare. we talk to a pair of brothers who found the strength to go forward after each of them lost a leg. good afternoon. i'm jake tapper coming to you live from boston common, the heart of this city a few blocks from the finish line for the
rejuvenated boston marathon. we all know what happened here during this very event. the race cut short by terrorist bomb blasts. but this is not a day for talking about those suspected of the attacks. this is a day for the people here to show that they are boston strong, that they will not have their traditions ripped away from them. if last year's marathon was like of no other, all afternoon we've watched some 36,000 runners demonstrate the peak of endurance and some returning to the course bearing the injuries inflicted upon them. we'll bring you their surviving stories of recovery and defiance from right here in the middle of it all. first, we turn to two major stories in our world lead. al qaeda under attack. a massive and unprecedented attack of strikes is under way
in yemen. the latest strike was yesterday on a training camp operated by the terrorist group and in all, 65 militants have been killed in yemen since saturday, a combination of drone attacks. now, not all of the bodies have been identified because of the difficultly of getting to the remote strike area deep in the southern mountains of yemen. officials say the targets were among the most leading and dangerous elements of al qaeda. this news comes after a video surfaced last week, showing what looks to be the largest gathering of al qaeda leaders in years. jim sciutto has the latest. were these strikes linked at all? >> the timing is certainly interesting. they would never establish a connection like that. that said, it's possible that some intelligence was gleaned from those videos about location but still beyond that they would need more than that. the u.s. is under very strict
rules of engagement with drone strikes in particular. they have to prove that the targets are not just tied to al qaeda but that they are a direct threat to the u.s. the u.s. would not allocate these resources and certainly the yemenese, the elite forces that they have on the ground. so it's possible that they gleaned something from that video but likely they would be more likely to carry out something of this size. >> what do we know about who was struck in these strikes and also the civilian casualties? >> the yemenese are saying that senior leaders were struck and it takes time to confirm reports of the yemenese landing to gather dna evidence. civilian casualties, we know that the strike killed at least three civilians and this has been an ongoing issue for countries that we go to.
also sensitive in yemen. this is a weak central government. the drone strikes are a real issue in terms of hostility not just to the yemenese but to americans. they passed a law trying to ban drone strikes but a similar pattern that you've seen in other countries and the u.s., the yemenese take steps to avoid that. sometimes civilians get killed. >> jim sciutto, thanks so much. also in world news, since the conflict erupted in eastern ukraine, the masked men holed up in the government buildings have been called protesters, separatists. now we can call at least some of them what they really are. russian forces. the ukrainian government has provided these photographs of separatists wearing insignia of russian special forces.
there is evidence of one particular gunman with a duck dynasty beard in a russian reconnaissance unit. lawmakers have arrived in the ukrainian capital of kiev to government.t for the fledgling - lavrov said that not a single step has been taken by those who have seized kiev to eliminate the reasons of this deep crisis. i asked what this evidence means for the u.s. ben, this appears to be photographic evidence that putin's forces have crossed the border. would you consider that to be an act of war? >> reporter: well, we consider it to be a violation of the ukraine sovereignty and territorial integrity.
what we have seen is disturbing evidence of them having contact with some of these groups that have occupied buildings in the east and the south. that's why we have called them out on these actions and that has to stop as a part of this de-escalation. >> what would constitute an act of war, though? only those uniformed crossing the border as opposed to russians wearing other clothes and operating in eastern ukraine apparently as pro-russian forces? >> reporter: it would be for the troops to move across the border. what we're seeing is more of an asim m asymmetrical forces and it confirm what is we've seen for weeks. we've seen russia run this play and we're going to continue to call them out on it.
>> but what do you say to the critics who say you're calling them out on it but you're not doing anything and even forces, even individuals, officials in the state department, in the pentagon of the obama administration worry that president obama appears weak and feckless and he has written crimea off and putin is winning the showdown with the west? >> reporter: well, the fact is, we've imposed sanctions and we've signaled how we can impose those costs and in the long run, if russia run this is play, they are going to lose a lot in terms of their economic standing and their standing in the world. the president is trying to lead the world, bring together the allies so when we act we're acting together. that's what he's focused on. >> the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell is calling for lethal aid, weapons to be sent
to ukrainian forces. why will the obama administration not go along with that in. >> that's not what is going to make a lot of difference right now. they are not going to bring the russian military in the coming weeks. we're focused on what we can do to make a difference. that's a plan that we're pursing with the europeans. that's imposing costs through sanctions and we're seeking to help the ukrainians reach certain needs through their assistance. but when that's not going to bring parity to the situation, we don't believe it's the right course of action right now. >> ben, i have to ask you about this military operation in yemen. it appears that yemeni forces attacked suspected terrorists. can you tell us what role the u.s. played in this, who the targets were and whether or not any civilians were killed in
this operation? >> reporter: well, first of all, we have been focused on apqe and we have gone after these targets. the yemene have imposed it on the aqep and they have stepped up to the challenge of going after al qaeda within their borders. there are many different types of support. suffice to say, we're standing shoulder to shoulder with the yemenese in these actions. >> thank you, ben rhodes. >> thank you. on the ground in kiev is congressman royce. you know the situation on the ground. do you think the white house is
doing enough right now? >> reporter: well, i >> well i do not. i think the main point that they are missing that has put putin in the driver's seat is he controls oil and gas and has a monopoly on it. we could upset it about announcing a national policy in the united states that we're going to ship a tremendous amount of gas and oil and yes it would take a while to get up to speed but if we sent the message that we were going to help collapse russia's holdover the region by destabilizing the markets -- remember, it's 70% of russia's exports. it's 52% of what they need to support their military and their government and you've got to strike putin at a point which will really weaken him and energy security here in the
region is a big concern in eastern europe. we need to move decisively on that point. >> congressman, do you agree with -- >> and my hope -- yeah? go ahead. >> do you agree with senators corker that we need to be sending aid to the military? >> frankly, in my opinion, what we should be focused on is what long term will really damage russia's economy and give us leverage over vladimir putin. we haven't used that yet. and that's, as i said, to discuss a national plan and at the same time and give the ukrainians the wherewithall to help develop their own gas because frankly the real question is, can we hold these elections on may 25th and shows
that they don't want to be part of russia and to be part of a new system and elect representatives, you got the electoral reform and we discuss our delegation today and we want to move forward and we think the administration may be rethinking its position. because this, frankly, is what gives russia the real authority in ukraine. >> congressman, beyond the energy issue, what is the ukrainian government telling you? what do they want from the u.s.? do they think they can hold off an invasion from russia if it were to come?
and to show what the consequences would be to their economy, right? what would economic collapse look like? they've experienced it once before. reagan along with the saudis helped do this to the former soviet union, drove down the price of oil by flooding their market with very cheap oil in order to really hurt that economy. if do you that, the stock market in russia really takes a nose-dive. as does the value of the ruble. they are running a situation over there on a pretty tight rope right now in russia because already the capital flight has been over $70 billion over the last few months. so if we second the threat of additional sanctions, which is what we're communicating, we're saying, look, you do that and, you know, you go over the border with your military and the u.s. and europe and the international
community is going to isolate you in a way with sanctions, they are just going to implode your economy. that's the most effective leverage we have to deploy if we can combine energy security for the region with that, we'll give the europeans a lot more confidence to stand, you know, in unison on this front and we will further undercut russia's control in ukraine. >> congressman ed royce, thank you very much. >> coming up next, two brother's lives changed in an instant by the marathon bombings. next, li will talk to these two men. plus, new transcripts detailing the horror on the confusion of the ferry. more crew members have been arrested as the captain is labeled a murderer by the president. scott: okay, neighbors, here's the top-drawer skinny.
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welcome back to "the lead," coming to you live from the boston common. take back the finish line, the announcer proclaimed at the start of the boston marathon. and if you're looking for metaphors in this city since the bombers rocked the marathon, a 32-year-old kenyan woman won. she won last year, also. but the tragedy overcame that race of the she came in at 2:18:57. and on the men's side, m med keflezighi, a former refugee, immigranted to the u.s. when he was 12 and on this patriots' day he became the
first american man to win this race since 1983. as a tribute on his bib, meb wrote the names of those who died in the attack of last year. martin richard, crystal campbell, cheering on a friend at the marathon, and lingzi lu and sean collier. their spirit is here today. we have not forgotten them. among the runners and one million spectators, i joined those cheering at the finish line. it's a beautiful day for a marathon and the huge perhaps record-setting turnout by spectators here is a sign that this is a city that will not be brought down. everywhere you look is a reminder of what happened at this event a year ago, starting
just over my shoulder. this year the city doubled the number of officers on patrol to 3,500 with hundreds of officers in the crowd in plain clothes. there was an additional 100 surveillance cameras. no containers bigger than a liter. and what a long year it has been. especially for the survivors like j.p. you heard about them a year ago. neither brother is allowing the fact that they lost a leg from keeping a next step in life. on april 15th of last year, j.p. norden and his brother paul headed to the marathon to watch a friend. a few blocks from where they were standing, an explosion ripped through the crowds.
>> we were all confused and in the background everyone is cheering, some people are scared, some people started crying immediately. one of our friends was like, that was a bomb. and then another said, we need to get in the street. >> unfortunately, they were standing at the site of the second bomb. here they are seconds before the worst moments their life. there's the accused bomber of dzhokhar tsarnaev. seconds later -- >> i started coming to a little bit and i tried to get up and i couldn't get up. my leg was gone. >> when i came to, i saw -- for some reason i saw my leg right away like off. >> and then you just see bodies on the ground everywhere, people everywhere. you could smell -- it must have been blood and burnt clothes and everything. >> paul managed to call his mother.
he told her he was hurt really badly and that he couldn't find his brother. >> i knew he wouldn't call me just to tell me a bomb went off. i knew something was wrong. >> medical staff rushed j.p. and paul to different hospitals. when they arrived, the outlook was grim for both of them. each was missing their right leg and would need emergency surgery. paul was in far worst shape than his older brother. >> honestly, we didn't think he was going to make it. >> j.p. started to heal but paul remained in a coma for a week. he was the final patient from the bombing listed in critical condition but the family kept that news from his big brother. >> i kept asking every day, hey, can i talk to paul? and i guess if i was thinking a little bit straighter i would have known i was getting lied to or something. i knew we were both in rough shape. >> their reunion finally came in the halls of beth israel hospital. >> it's the first time i
actually got to see what happened and to see how injured he was after all of the stories you hear and how bad he was doing, he looked better than i did. it was really what was going on, are they lying to me again? >> for the last year, j.p. and paul had been in and out of surgery and rehab hospitals regaining their strength and learning to walk again. they've written a book about their experiences. twice as strong. >> what they have been doing and what they have come through is amazing. it's incredible. >> the norden brothers rarely talk about those other brothers, the ones whose bombs redirected the courses of their lives. their mother, though, is closely watching the capital murder and terrorism trial against dzhokhar tsarnaev. >> i'll be there every day. i want to know what p happened. i want to know why someone could do this to innocent people. >> i don't even want to hear about it. i want to be living as normal as possible.
>> normal will be getting back to work. they were awarded $1.2 million but that money will not last forever. they will need new prosthetics every three to five years of more than 100,000 for each prosthetic. >> this is going to be enough for you financially? >> honestly, don't know. if you have to buy a leg every three to five years and if i live my life expectancy, i probably don't have enough money but i've got to do what i've got to do. >> i would like to think that we're going to be okay no matter what. i mean, we're going to work and do all of that. so whatever we can do. but i don't know. >> i have to say, you know, as we're at the one-year anniversary, you guys seem great. >> thanks. compared to last year, feel 3,000 times better. >> our family, girlfriends and
the public, they were just so good and so like -- they gave you positive thoughts and words all the time. like how could you feel? i don't think that we could. >> you can hear more of the norden story and their book "twice as strong" on sale now. our thanks to the norden family. as divers search for the family, the south korean president is calling the actions of the ferry captain akin to murder. and as investigators scour the sea floor, a storm is brewing on the surface that could cause another setback in the hunt for flight 370. i'm m-a-r-y and i have copd. i'm j-e-f-f and i have copd. i'm l-i-s-a and i have copd, but i don't want my breathing problems to get in the way of hosting my book club. that's why i asked my doctor about b-r-e-o. once-daily breo ellipta helps increase airflow from the lungs for a full 24 hours. and breo helps reduce symptom flare-ups that last several days
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welcome back to "the lead." in world news, it's a scene that no matter how many times it plays out doesn't get any more bearable to watch. one by one, the bodies of victims from a south korean ferry sinking, many of whom were high school students were being pulled ashore and taken to their tents for their families to identify. the death toll in this calamity has risen to 82 with 215
passengers still missing from last week's accident. and with the ferry's captain facing criminal charges, newly released transcripts are painting a clear picture of what happened the moments after the ship began to sink. kyung lah is joining us. what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, jake, forgive me. we're having a few communications problems out here and the reason why is i'm about 12 miles offshore. what you're being looking at behind me is where the search is happening right now. those bright lights you see on the horizon and we are just before daybreak here in south korea. those bright lights are where divers are continuing to plunge under these cold, icy waters. very low visibility. making their way and using lines into the sunken ferry trying to
look for survivors, trying to look for victims. it's a 24-hour operation. what is happening over here, look this way, that is one of the cranes that is standing just outside the exclusion zone and that crane will eventually be used to lift this ferry. a number of them are positioned here and they are going to lift it out of the sea. but this is a long-term process. what is happening right now is still the search, the recovery, and the rescue. they are not specifying exactly if they've given up hope on finding any survivors but right now what they are trying to say is they are going in and trying to grab as many people as possible. meanwhile, the investigation into all of this is continuing. what we did here over the weekend are these extraordinarily frightening and hectic radio calls between this sunken vessel, the crew of the sunken vessel and various radio towers positioned at the ports. i spoke to two of them. a delay in calling the wrong one of 11 minutes, a captain
saying -- a shore saying that the captain should make the decision about the evacuation and the crew saying they just didn't know what to do. indecision and extreme chaos. the south korean president looking at all of what has happened in the past week called the actions of the captain and the crew akin to murder. it's very strong for the south korean president to say this. what we're seeing now, jake, is as the recovery is happening, it's turning into a criminal investigation. jake? >> kyung lah, thank you so much. coming up on "the lead," the underwater search area almost complete and still no sign of missing flight 370. now australia says they will change course in a matter of days if nothing is found. but where would they look next? ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? ♪ ♪ hooking up the country helping business run ♪ ♪ trains! they haul everything, safely and on time.
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in world news we're nearing another critical point in the search for malaysia airlines flight 370 and the 239 souls on board, it seems increasingly mission complete may not mean mission accomplished for the high-tech device scouring the ocean floor for any signs of the plane's black boxes. the bluefin 25, you've heard that before, is on its ninth deep sea dive. it may be done with scanning the entire search zone by the end of this week. here's the big question. what happens if this painstaking process wraps up without anything turning up? let's bring in cnn correspondent pamela brown. are investigators getting concerned? >> well, jake, we're at weekend and i think they are a little discouraged because the area offering the best hope for finding flight 370 isn't turning up any wreckage so far and they
are almost done searching this targeted zone so it's forcing investigators to reconsider their approach. the bluefin-21 back under water today for its ninth mission. the air that the investigators are pinning their best hopes on is almost searched with less than six left to go. pings possibly from the black boxes were detected near there, as well as a final satellite handshake with the plane. if nothing is done soon, the australians will investigate and make the calculations and searching the right area. >> you may consider bring in other underwater search equipment. >> that's because in the next few days this targeted area is expected to be completely covered by the bluefin. last week, investigators announced the surface search would be over by now but despite a tropical cyclone north of the
search area and still no sign of debris, it continues. planes and ships scanned more than 19,000 square miles today. the u.s. chief accident investigator says lessons are being learned in the search for the missing plane. >> water recoveries are notoriously difficult and very expensive and time consuming and so we continue to work on better recorder ta recorder technology and information coming technical briefing is being scheduled. >> we don't know at this point whether they are alive or dead. but you haven't given us any direct truth of where they actually are. we want our loved ones back. >> reporter: investigators warn this search could go on for a long time. >> at the outset, before we had
the pings, there was an assumption that this could take months and it was taking months in an environment in which we were prepared to take months. so we'll just keep going. >> and one potential phase of a future search, shifting much of it to private contractors and in that search it took more than 75 days over the course of two years to find the wreckage and they even have debris to work off of. this is certainly a difficult situation for investigators. >> pamela brown, thank you so much. let's bring in our best panel of experts. miles o'brien, an ocean search specialist and rob mccallum. rob, let me start with you. if nothing is found in these final underwater missions, what next? >> jake, that's a great question because there were a lot of hopes pinned on these pinger locations. the next logical state would be to rethink all of the information that we have at hand
and then probably to do the last 370-odd miles of the flight path of the aircraft, perhaps 15 miles on either side of that. and you've seen the australians recently hinted a search area 370 miles by 30 miles. that's what that is all about. >> how large of a search area are we talking about in total, if it expands outside the original search arc? >> well, if it goes to that 370 by 30 miles, you're looking at just over 11,000 square miles. and there's two things that need to change. the first is that we need to go to deep towed sonar because it has gone from 15 miles a day and a towed will do a little more than that. people are starting to talk about cost structure and so we need more cost effective means
of doing a broad scale search. >> miles, if the bluefin-21 missions turn out to be a bust al together, can we expect investigators scale back other aspects of the search, do you think? >> yeah. i think, jake, just picking up on what rob said, there's a huge cost factor that comes into play here. remember, the aerial search which continues is based on this data, this location which is being searched right now. if it doesn't pan out, then all of the equations that have been put into the mix, if you will, to determine where debris might be by hindcasting the ocean currents, all of that is for not. they are flying over open ocean and it could be any piece of ocean. if you really don't have a place in which to direct your search for an aerial reconnaissance campaign, it makes little chance of doing it. that's hard to explain to the families, however. >> on the other happened, rob, you and i have talked at great
length on this show about whether or not the bluefin-21 is the right equipment. can we expect searchers to maybe bring in other forms of underwater technology, technology that can go deeper than the bluefin, do you think? >> yeah. i think it's important to be able to take the full depth of the entire area that you're searching and that could be down to beyond 5,000 meters. but more importantly, it's about range. so any time you're talking about side scan sonar, there's a trade off between range and distance and resolution. and so the bluefin gives high resolution images but it has a relatively limited range per day. deep towed sonar will still give you the image that you need but can scan between 6 and 12 times the distance that the bluefin can. >> miles, let's talk about the families for one second. they have been very vocal about
their frustrations with the malaysian airlines and government officials. should government officials be expected to give the families what they want, an independent review of the data that led them to this search area? is that unreasonable? >> no, it's not unreasonable, jake. it's so unfortunately that the families have felt this way. a lot of this is about the way that the message has been conveyed and the way that the malaysians have been circumventing the information. they haven't even seen a transcript of what happened after the handoff to the air traffic controllers in ho chi minh city. there's a lot that the families deserve here. >> rob and miles, thank you. another potential setback for the teams looking for the missing plane as a cyclone is
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welcome back to the lead. we're actually at the boston common. if you've ever done a boston marathon, you know that running 26.2 miles is not just a matter of physical fitness, if you don't have something driving you, your mind can give out long before your legs. that's why they are often achieved by people who have motivations beyond running. it helps if you have something or someone pushing you. megan took off running in 2007 when her husband was first sent to afghanistan. running helped her deal with the
stress of his being away and in harm's way. stress increased tremendously in 2009 when her husband and the father of their daughter was killed in action in afghanistan defending a remote outpost under enemy attack. >> it was about 10:30ish in the morning. i normally go for a run in the morning. for some reason i didn't that morning and i was just sitting watching tv, still in my pajamas when the door bell rang. >> at her door, the soldiers bearing the bad news. >> long-term goals are to finish the boston marathon and serve as a drill sergeant. >> i found this little bio and at the bottom it said he wanted to complete the boston marathon some day. >> she has run it before but now it is a mission for her. last year, she was prevented from crossing the finish line.
>> at mile 25, they just stopped. everybody -- their whole row just stopped. back there. >> a mile and change that way you were told to stop? >> prior to that we knew something was going on. the police were saying, go home, go home, go home. >> kensington had been waiting for her mom at the finish line. >> where were you last year at the marathon? >> i was in the bleachers with my grandma. >> and you heard some big explosions? >> yeah. >> megan and kensington were thankfully physically all right but emotionally devastated. this year, megan is back with new resolve. this time she will finish the race that joshua cannot. she's collecting donations in partnership with run for the
fallen, an organization that helps with the battle. >> you've hit our lives so hard, terrorists with the loss of my husband and stuff and then last year and you're not going to scare us. >> so it's a fight? >> oh, absolutely. >> i just got off the phone with megan gavin kirk. she finished the boston marathon and she's in great spirits. congratulations, megan. coming up next, as tough as the search for flight 370 has been, it could get a lot tougher in the coming hours. a look at the new obstacle for the search coming up after the break. dear sun, you created light. you are loved. celebrated. but things have changed since you got into this business. at philips, we're creating led light that people can color... adjust... even make beautiful sunsets.
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latest leads and this mission is taking on a whole new sense of you are general see because a tropical cyclone is threatening the search area. jennifer, good to see you. how could the storm impact flight 370 even if it doesn't make a direct hit? >> well, it's so far away, it's going to have very minimal impacts. maybe increase in weight, height, swells. it's really about it. and a large reason for that is because the latest advisory came down about 30 minutes ago and it's really backed off on the track of this storm and how intense it is. right now it had 75-mile-per-hour winds and the last report was 80-mile-per-hour winds. this is a very weak hurricane is what it would be classified if it was in the atlantic ocean. here's the search area. here's the underwater search area. it's about 600 miles away from that surface search area?
and if we track this storm, it's expected to die out on wednesday and it's going to bring winds of about 35 miles per hour. it's going to be dying out well before it gets to the search area but like we mentioned, we could see swells and the waves will increase. as the remnants of this storm gets closer. you can see the wind field. we're not going to be talking about tropical storm force winds for the next couple of days. in the next 48 hours or so, we'll see an increase in rainfall right around the underwater search area. all of these areas could see an increase in cloud cover. that, of course, is going to hamper the search from the plains. the forecast is anywhere from 20 to 30 miles per hour. it's very good news, of course. this is something that could have really had an impact but we know it's not going to have as much of an impact as we
previously thought. jake? >> jennifer, thank you so much. that's it for "the lead." i'm jake tapper. it was a glorious day in boston. it's been an honor to witness it firsthand. i'll turn you over to wolf blitzer. he's in "the situation room." wolf? jake, thanks very much. happening now, ukraine says these pictures show russian forces operating inside ukraine provoking unrest. has moscow conducted a covert invasion? the bomb maker. is this man the target of an unprecedented target of al qaeda? drones have taken out dozens of militants. and searchers are talking about long-term efforts to find malaysia flight 370. will it include new equipment? i'm wolf