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at the belmont stakes? now we have an answer and the answer is yes. new york racing officials deciding california chrome may use it. good luck. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'll be back at 5:00 p.m. eastern in the situation room. newsroom with brooke baldwin starts right now. wolf blitzer, thank you. great to be with you this week. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. got a computer? pay attention. we have to begin today with this international crackdown on this massive separation of privacy involving half a million computers worldwide. so these victims were allegedly terrorized without ever leaving their homes. the fbi says more than 90 people have been arrested. see all these count please? all the green? 19 countries for allegedly using a program called black shades which apparently can turn your web cam into a spy cam and it gets worse from there. cnn obtained this exclusive look of the fbi's cyber command room
as the takedown of those offenders happened. >> reporter: once installed on a victim's computer, the black shade's route allowed computers to secretly gain access to everything on a victim's computer, including private photographs and documents and even passwords to online accounts. it could even record every key stroke entered on a victim's keyboard to speedily steal credit card and other sensitive information. >> the fbi today announced it had arrest two men who created black shades, one of whom has already pled guilty. among the victims miss teen u a who said she turned "hysterical" after getting an e-mail with pictures of herself nude taking surreptitiously with her own web cam. the sender threatened to do it more if he didn't do exactly what he wanted. >> i was on the phone with my
mom and we were both crying. i couldn't explain the emotion that i was going through. it was terrifying. absolutely terrifying. >> with me now security consultant and ethical hacker ryan bernheimer. welcome. >> thank you very much for having me. >> let me be real. i had a guest on a couple years ago and hearing how people can do this to cameras and laptops, i have duct tape over my laptop camera because i am frightened of someone creeping in with this creep ware. why is it so insidious? >> you're right. it's terrifying in its own right but, you know, black shades is something that -- it's a piece of malware that's out there now. it can track your key strokes, turn on your microphone, it can turn on your web cam, which is terrible as well, as you said in the case with miss teen usa. another aspect of this is that it creates something called ransom ware where which can -- is not only being used by a --
it's enscript files being held within your computer. it's holding these files encrypted and they're holding people -- these files ransom, not only individuals but companies are being held ransom. >> that's apparently happening to this young woman. this bad guy says "i have nude pictures of you, if you don't send me more this will go -- i'm going to publish this around the world." so she was terrified and went along with it for a while. before we move along to the significance of these arrests. do you have advice for people other than using duct tape? how do we stop this from happening? >> well, duct tape is one way to go about it, but the other way is just to be aware of what's going on and if you are encountered with one of these, do not pay the ransom because you've got to think these are unethical people that are asking for your money so what are they going to be doing with your credit cards? what are they going to do with this information? the best advice that i give is
just contact authorities. the nice thing is the fbi is actively going after these people as we discussed earlier. >> thank goodness. >> so they are actively going after these people and just make sure you're not going out and giving them your credit card or any information like that. >> don't do it. what about -- in terms of law enforcement around the world working across boundaries. how are they going to be dealing with this crackdown in terms of everyone sort of working together? >> well, that's actually good news is that we're seeing -- right now we're seeing something that hasn't been done as much in the past. you have over 400 cases where they're actually going out and looking for the people that are creating and selling this malware to people that should haven't their hands on it. you said earlier that there's -- i think there's almost 97 people that have been caught distributing this to people that that shouldn't have their hands on it. it's something that we haven't seen in the past other than for groups like anonymous that we've
had multiple -- had a team effort to go after. >> it's creepy. i'm glad the fbi is on it and is successful. ryan burnheimer thank you for your perspective. and you heard from miss teen usa cassidy wolf, she will talk to anderson cooper in the wake of the news, watch her at 8:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. now to this, today, washington took the unprecedented step of charging five chinese military officers with cyber spying against vital u.s. industries. you have to justice department saying now that five officials work for a supersecret spy cell known as unit 61398 believed to be housed in this 12-story building in shanghai and some are saying we are talking about trillions of dollars of theft. just think about that for a second. against u.s. steel and alcoa among others. this is huge. this is a huge story and we'll have much more on that just a bit later.
cnn. cnn has just learned a florida patient infected with the mers virus has been released from the hospital. the patient has recovered. now testing negative for mers, but this comes just days after some frightening developments in the spread of this virus because for the very first time the acronym is middle east respiratory syndrome, mers, has spread from one person to another within the united states. right here on u.s. soil. this latest case in illinois, the third confirmed case in the u.s. but the first infection that began here, the other two cases were contracted overseas. cnn senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen is here with me. so this got my attention, certainly. it's one thing when we're talking about folks coming directly from the middle east, it's another when it's happening here. >> what's disturbing about this is not just that it spread which, in many ways, was expected. it's how it spread. >> tell us. >> let's hear about this. the first two cases in the united states were people who
got infected in saudi arabia and then got on a plane and came here. those cases were reported in indiana and florida. now health officials say an illinois man who had a business meeting with the indiana patient has also tested positive for mers. >> this potential person that is the -- may be the third case that it was transmitted had just basically business transactions with this individual. so no unique travel history of their own and no travel history since. >> reporter: the cdc says during a meeting on april 25 the two men were sitting within six feet of each other talking. the only physical contact they had was shaking hands. the next day they had another meeting, this one shorter. this was a week before the indiana patient was confirmed to have mers. a cdc doctor says the illinois man was never really sick, but now the cdc wants to test people he came in contact with because even without symptoms, it's possible he could have spread the deadly mers virus.
now, considering the illinois man never got sick it could be that mers maybe spreads more easily than we had thought. but on the other hand, it also may turn out that it's not quite as deadly. remember last week we were talking about a 30% morality rate? it may be that's high. it may not be that high. >> but elizabeth, we're talking about this -- >> i know, and sitting about this distance apart. >> i thought last week when we talked about these cases that it was difficult to get. that changes the game. >> it does. because last week the experts were talking about households, people who lived in the same household or doctors and patients who have very close and prolonged contact. this is two business meetings. that really changes the game in a lot of people's minds. now, the cdc doesn't want to go there. they want to keep sort of acquiring more data and more information because remember this is a new virus so there's a lot they don't know about it. >> we are talking to someone from the cdc and we'll press them on that. >> you should. >> we will. thank you. next it's a merger between two huge media companies that would change how and where you
watch your favorite tv shows and even if you're not a customer of at&t or directv it could still impact your monthly tv bill. plus a decision this afternoon could rewrite racing history. have you heard about this? the horse called california chrome won the first two legs of the triple crown wearing -- who knew -- a nasal strip. but there were questions about whether that would be allowed at the belmont stakes and now we know if chrome will be allowed to run with that.
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we're swimming in content these days. those who control the flow of what we are getting, it's becoming fewer and fewer, thus increasingly powerful. now at&t has agreed to buy directv. that deal disclosed on sunday. so where there were four providers, that number will shrink since, remember, comcast is planning to buy time warner cable. $45 billion for that deal. and at&t is offering $49 billion for directv. staggering sums and huge implications for we, the consumer. with me now from new york, here he is, cnn technology analyst brett larson. >> hey, brooke. >> hello. >> yes, merger mania. >> merger mania like monopoly is here. you have at&t plus directv equals, you know, this communications giant and what they call the holy trinity of phone, broadband and video. if the deal goes through, what does that mean for us? >> well, it could mean a lot of things for us. we'll start, i guess, with the good part so that we can all feel happy about this merger.
>> give me warm and fuzzies first. >> we'll add the tv on to the at&t. what it could do and what i hope to see it do is that bundled service that you talked about that. holy trinity. you know, the service i have that at home, i get faster broadband because i also have hbo and showtime and other services on my television that brings the whole price down and then gives me faster broadband service and at the end of the day i save a lot of money. i also save money on my cell phone. now, a lot of these bundles aren't available in rural areas or when you really get outside of the -- even the urban areas, a lot of the suburban areas where you are best served by directv you're not getting to benefit from those bundles. so there's where i think we'll see warm and fuzzy goodness. i also hope the feds pushes this on them. i hope it urges them to bring more wireless high speed internet by way of directv and
maybe technology mixing cellular to satellite to underserved parts of the country because that's an issue today. >> go ahead. >> i was going to say where it's going to be bad is that once -- we're losing competition again. and that means prices could go potentially go up and that's where it's kind of a lose/lose. when you go from having four options to two options to two options that may or may not be in cohesion with each other, that's where it's a problem. >> lessens competition, ergo price goes up. what about folks who are not customers? >> this is where i'm kind of excited at the technology and where it could take it. let's face it. more and more people are tuning away from the television for their content as they traditionally have -- >> and getting on the internet. >> yeah, they're going on the internet, their phones, their tablets. we have this whole generation of cord-cutters. we also have a whole generation of people who never bothered to sign up for traditional cable service that brings you television but are instead signing up for --
>> what? people aren't getting cable? >> people aren't getting cable. they're signing up for that broadband service because, listen, cnn has apps and a web site, cnn-x you can watch our content. you have hulu plus, netflix, all these other avenues of content and the merger for that reason makes sense because at&t has to control the pipe at some point and if they have directv in their back pocket, that means they might be able to bring you content by way of your wireless phone or device. >> it's incredible for me to think about like cnn mobile and people are going here first to then come here. >> right, exactly. we get them here and bring them here to watch us. >> changes. thank you so much for joining me, we appreciate it. coming up next, the federal government taking steps to protect businesses here in the u.s. by doing something it has never actually done before. what government leaders did today to catch people allegedly stealing industry secrets. plus, will he or won't he? questions abound about whether this horse, california chrome, would be allowed to run at the
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chrome needs one more victory to become the cripple run to womener since 1978. it looks like he will get to wear these nasal strips when he makes the run. this is a huge deal because the horse, can you see this? we've highlighted with a graphic, nice. he wears a strip across his nose when he races just like athletes wear these nasal strips in other sports. so after saturday's preakness victory there were sudden concerns that new york, home to the belmont stakes, doesn't allow nasal strips on horses for racing. but today we have the news. new york officials gave these nasal strips the a-o.k. and just this morning california chrome's co-owner told cnn he has had a special feeling about this particular horse from even before the beginning. >> i saw him when he was a day old. i saw him in a dream three weeks prior to that, he was exactly like my dream and i told my wife, i said "this horse is going to do big things. i don't know what yet, but he's going to do big things."
and he's proven us right so far. we believe in our horse. we believe in our trainer. and he is proving to america right now that he is america's horse. >> i love his love for his horse. so quickly, as we were talking at commercial break. my biggest takeaway other than it's awesome this horse gets to wear nasal strips, i had no idea horses where nasal strips, do you? >> of course, they have problems when they're sleeping and they're next to their loved one and the mama horse is like "hey, papa horse, you need to stop." at the belmont stakes it's a mile and a half long. it's the longest race out of the three legs and when you're running it's grueling and these horses need to be able to breathe properly. the strips open up the passages in thes no industrials. >> lessens the bobpossibility o bleeding into the lungs. so you haven't had this triple crown winner since 1978. this would be potentially a huge deal. >> it would be ginormous. >> ginormous? >> do you like that word? california chrome
single-handedly put horse racing back on the forefront of the sporting world. >> so exciting. >> i'm sitting here, this is probably like my 20th hit today of talking about california chrome. i'm best friends now with california chrome. we are twitter followers. well, i follow him. he doesn't follow me back. kind of hoping for that. >> when does this race happen? >> on june 7. >> so it's coming up. >> a couple weeks to rest but he's ready. >> the back story with this horse is that the horse's mother, the mare, was bought for -- what? >> $8,000! which is nothing in the horsing -- >> in the horsing. >> in the horsey world. you can tell i'm a horse connoisseur here. $8,000. but it's usually a lot more money than that. get this. before california chrome won the kentucky derby, the owners, coburn and martin, they were offered $6 million for the horse and 51% in the horse and they said no. they said -- actually they said
"hell no." and you think about how much money this horse will make for this ownership, unbelievable. these guys are regular joes. they have regular jobs. coburn works at a plant that specializes in magnetic strips for credit cards. unbelievable. >> little would he know and i love how he said to chris "i had this dream we would have this horse and dold big things." clearly it is. so june 7 we'll be watching. thank you. >> you're welcome. thanks for having me on. coming up next, even with telling you about this growing scandal involving wait times at v.a. hospitals around the country. it's a story cnn broke, it lead to a hearing on capitol hill. the white house has responded. now a report that the president was told about the wait time five years ago. we'll talk about that coming up next. plus michael jackson like you have never seen him before. we'll show you his hologram performance and explain why it's sparking so much controversy. cool or creepy? >> cool. >> what do you think, send me a
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within washington charged today that industrial cyber spying is forcing laid off american workers to lose their homes. the department of justice brought charges against five officials of this supersecret chinese spy cell known as unit 61398 and believed to be housed in this 12-story building in shanghai. the u.s. says these five officials led a vast effort to steal cutting edge commercial research and critical pricing day a from six american victims including some of what you're looking at, westinghouse, al co-what u.s. steel. some are saying we are talking about trillions of dollars in theft. >> while the men and women of our american businesses spent their business days innovating,
creating, and developing strategies to compete in the global marketplace, these members of unit 61398 were spending their business days in shanghai stealing the fruits of our labor. >> when these cyber intrusions occur, production slows, plants close, workers get laid off and lose their homes. >> let's go to cnn's pamela brown. pamela, the dodj is saying our people are inventing these products, your people are stealing the research and selling it cheaper than the west can because your research costs were pretty much close to zero, you stole the information. tell me what we're talking about here specifically. >> sure. brook, u.s. officials are saying these five military officials from china's people's liberation army targeted six u.s. companies in the steel trade, nuclear power and manufacturing industries and basically hacked into their computer systems from thousands of miles away and raided highly sensitive
information from them such as cutting edge research, as you pointed out, pricing and strategy information. essentially kpa t compathe compn jewels. they sent e-mails that launched inside their networks and u.s. officials allege hackers stole trade secrets of a nuclear power plant while negotiations were under way between westinghouse, one of the alleged u.s. victims, and a chinese company and, brooke, officials say these chinese hackers ultimately drained the economy of at least billions of dollars and put people out of jobs. these are the first charges against chinese state officials, officials have been -- spent the last few years stockpiling evidence against these hackers and what cyber experts say is a painstaking and sensitive the process and a huge deal. they called this problem rampant and we could see some similar cases just like it, brooke. >> you say billions, we're hearing trillions as well of dollars of theft. pamela brown, thank you so much in washington. also, we're asking this
question -- did president obama know there were problems at the veteran affairs administration even before he took the oath of office? a new report in the "washington times" says officials told the president's team that v.a. hospitals were reporting inaccurate wait times as far back as 2008 and not only that, he was also told that those hospitals could be delaying or even denying care to veterans. the president is already facing pressure to fire v.a. secretary eric shinseki who testified last week on capitol hill but this could put him right in the center of the scandal and cnn senior investigative correspondent drew griffin broke the story. you were there at the hearings last week. the obvious question is how do they fix this? >> that is a big problem. there's two problems here. one is a scandal, one is a tragedy. the scandal is what's being investigated all across the country with secret lists, wait times being actually hidden, falsification of data. that is a scandal that they are trying to contain politically right now.
the tragedy, brooke, is -- >> deaths. >> -- the delayed care that has led to deaths and adverse outcomes that's being harmed has been so widespread for more than a decade now. 23 deaths across nine different states is what the v.a. admits to. many believe many more of that. so how do you contain this problem politically? you try to get ahead of the scandal, nip in the the bud and fire a few people, maybe move on. the bigger question is how do we improve the treatment for our vets? >> so many people are calling for the firing, resignation, what have you of shinseki himself. i know that you keep asking for interviews and are getting crickets in return. we saw, i think, it was a friday when the undersecretary of health will be resigning instead of retiring later this year. that's the beginning. do you foresee any more fallout? >> i think there has to be but we'll have to wait for the investigations to figure out who knew what and when.
and if somebody like eric shinseki shinsedid not know, wh? did he have no command of his understaff or were they not telling him? and i think the same thing goes for the president. it was president truly aware of what was going on? just a few minutes ago jay carney said the president learned of the phoenix v.a. secret wait list scandal from watching cnn. >> from watching your report. >> that's right. so they did not know, apparently, if we're taking jay carney at his word, about the phoenix scandal but the president did know there was a wait list issue. he campaigned about denied and delayed care in 2007 that he would end it. it hasn't ended and that's why i call that part of it the tragedy. >> i hope shinseki calls you back. >> i'm right here. >> drew griffin, thank you, excellent work you and your team. the woman at the center of a firestorm made her very first public appearance a couple of hours ago. you may not recognize her face, perhaps not, but her firing from the "new york times" certainly sparked a debate about women in the workplace.
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you may not know her name but the firing sparked a debate that is all too familiar. with women business leaders held to different standards than men? jill abramson just lost her job as executive editor of the "new york times" and just this morning she turned this low point into her -- in her career into a highlight of her commencement speech there at
wake forest university. >> sure, losing a job you love hurts, but the work i revered, journalism that holds powerful institutions and people accountable, is work what makes our democracy so resilient. last night after i arrived they know i have that some tattoos and one of them asked me "are you going to get that times "t" that you have tattooed on your back removed?" not a chance. what's next for me? i don't know. so i'm in exactly the same boat as many of you! [ laughter ] [ applause ] and like you, i'm a little scared but also excited. >> there she was speaking this
morning. according to some reports this firing was over abramson's push to get the same pay as her male predecessor, but in this unprecedented move, her boss at the "times" released a statement saying gender had nothing to do with her termination, that her salary was higher than the man she replaced. quoting publisher arthur sulzberger jr. "during ten tenure i heard about a series of issues including arbitrary decision making, failure to consult and bring her colleagues with her, inadequate communication and the public mistreatment of colleagues." he went on "ultimately i concluded she had lost the support of her masthead colleagues and could not win it back." let's talk about that, shall we? joining me now host of cnn's reliable sources brian who used to work at the "times." brian, i have to begin with you, jill abramson was your boss and here you are covering media. you're wearing two hats for us right now.
i'd like to go back first to her speech this morning at wake forest. i've been reading a lot of the tweets from her daughter and on instagram and ahead of time her daughter put on instagram that her mother would take t the #highroad. but she surprised us in which she did address this firing. what did you make of the speech. >> she surprised me. i thought she would make a cut l subtle references and move on but she talked at length about resilience and it was a wonderful message. she also said it was the honor of her life to lead the "new york times" newsroom and she said she'll stay in journalism it sounded like she'll say in some capacity so so i'm curious what her next job will be now. >> so many people are, rachel, i imagine that includes you. you've been atwitter over this one since the beginning, i've been following you. for me this story is not about the machinations of the "new york times," the hierarchy, et cetera, it's about women, it's about positions of power, it's about leadership and you wrote this arguing that she was
offered "much lower tolerance, was on a much shorter leash, the glass cliff is real." explain what you mean by that. >> well, i think that whatever happened at the "new york times" and whatever faults jill abramson may have had as managing editor, or editor-in-chief, rather, executive editor, that's the proper title and she may have lost the confidence of the masthead, that may be true. but there is a definite double standard applied to women in power. >> how do you mean? >> well, for example, the report that she was brusque and uncaring and the arbitrary decision making. when i was listening to that statement, i was realizing, like, have you ever heard about a man being deposed for arbitrary decision making and failing to consult colleagues when the buck stops with that person? that is not usually what ceos are deposed for but we saw that
that was the language again and again used to describe jill abramson. s that she didn't talk to people or she was hard to read, that people felt that she wasn't as nice to them as they could be and it's just -- that was very out of step with the sort of classic exec editor personality at the "new york times" and, indeed, the treatment that she received at the hands of arthur sulzberger was very different than the last extremely brusque and sort of like favoritism showing editor -- exec editor of the "new york times" which is howell raines. that's not the say arthur sulzberger may not have learned his lesson and learned to act more decisively this time, but when you're operating from the assumption that it's a big deal to have the first female executive editor leading the "new york times" and she had a pretty good tenure, she won eight pulitzers, the newsroom -- you know, the paper was doing well business wise, to have had such an abrupt and really difficult firing, that's a
little bit much. >> both you and david carr of the "times" describe this abrupt firing as "game of thrones. esque." david carr said "when sulzberger stood up in a hastily called meeting in the newsroom where we usually gather to celebrate the pulitzers and said jill was out we all just looked at one another. how did our workplace become a particularly bloody episode of game of thrones?" >> there's a couple reasons why. one is that apparently sulzberger tried to ease her way out and she wouldn't go quietly. >> she was going to fight it. >> she chose not to pretend she would step down. i respect that. having to pretend you want to leave is a tough thing sometimes but she chose to make this get ugly. >> so because of that choice, perhaps, perhaps. but here's my real question because if we're talking about, like, you know equality in the workplace here in 2014, rachel, to you, let's say the firing 100% had merit, that she really was not the boss the times
employees needed, when will we not be talking about the firing on cnn or national news? when will this not make news about women in high places fired? >> when it's commonplace to see women ascend to the very top of organizations such as this and the practical matter is that it is not commonplace. and further more, the data also shows that women tend to ascend -- they tend to be green lit in times of real need and when there's a real difficulty and so that makes it much harder for them to succeed and much quicker for the plug to be pulled on them when they don't. i would take issue, though, with the characterization of her as having made this decision to not go quietly. i think that if, indeed, arthur sulzberger was aware of these problems and was having second thoughts about her and all of that then a wise and considered leader with foresight would have actually looked ahead and really
thought about how to execute on this plan in a far-reaching way and plan to do this in a -- i mean, this essentially was arthur sulzberger's call and it was his dual do in an abrupt manner. so i'm not say that he might not have felt justified in so doing and that there's a lot going on here. all i'm saying is that this has been a total mess. >> we can all agree on that. >> we can agree and we can agree this is about jill abramson and we're all wondering where she ends up. rachel and brian, thank you so much, i appreciate it. coming up next, an exclusive look inside a terror group. cnn talked to two men working as government informants providing information about boko haram. what they reveal about the group that kidnapped almost 300 school girls in nigeria. peoi go to angie's listt for all kinds of reasons. to gauge whether or not the projects will be done in a timely fashion and within budget. angie's list members can tell you
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islamist terror group responsible, boko haram. secnn cease senior corresponden arwa damon talked to two men who are informants. i should tell you that the men's voices in this piece have been altered to protect their identities. take a look. >> reporter: we meet in a safe house. just speaking to us could cost them their lives, already at risk. >> this is the only way our children will have a future. >> reporter: mohammed and s andusama -- not their real names -- are government informants with the terrorist group boko haram. they have seen the group's influence spread and lure in their friends. >> after convincing you, they take you, once you move to their training camp, that is it, that is the send. you won't come back again. >> reporter: recruiting from among the poor who tend to make up their rank-and-file fighters and drawing in the educated,
trained in explosives. the two informant wes met described their links to boko haram as being to mid-level fighters. they're not from the same state where more than 200 school girls were kidnapped. that is here, borno state, this is the capital where boko haram's radical ideology was born. unchecked by the government, the group grew more violent and ruthless, kidnappings becoming common. >> take them to the bush then they will force them to join. it's either you join or they kill you. >> reporter: the informants have heard of shadowy links to al qaeda. their friends who who joined trained in sudan and smolia. they claim to know exactly where boko haram's camps are in their area but for the most part, they say, the government has failed to act similar to the accusations that nigerian forces were warned in advance about the attack. >> they will use them to
negotiate with the government about those of their members that have been detained by the government. or to use them as human shields. >> reporter: they've seen their friends slaughtered and they know the group will show no mercy. >> and here she is, arwa damon joining us live from nigeria. arwa, it's stunning that those two men -- you got these men to talk to you. do we have any idea how close they are in determining where these girls are? >> reporter: that's the problem, brooke. it seems as if the authorities really don't at this stage. now, the nigerian government has said that it has beefed up its aerial surveillance. there were those talks that you're mentioning earlier that took place over the week end that the u.s. was attending as well. america being quite vague, though, in its rhetoric as to how much cooperation, how much intelligence sharing actually
exists and then one also must look at the terrain. the forests among many locations where the girls could be. other similarly difficult to navigate parts of the country they could possibly even be split up into smaller groups. but that's what's so horrifying and so difficult for so many people to grasp is this notion that these girls have been missing for five weeks and there is still no concrete evidence or intelligence as to where they may be. >> thank you for shining the light and having certain voices being heard, arwa damon, excellent reporting from nigeria. listen, we've been talking about these girls in nigeria for weeks but there are girls around the world who are not given a fair chance to get an education. if you would like to learn more, go to cnn.com/impact. coming up, a major develop, in the search for missing flight 370. remember this inmarsat data? that's the information used to calculate the search area for that missing plane. well, a malaysian official now says that data could soon be
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last night's billboard awards, everyone is raving about this one performance that is kind of surreal, kind of creepy depending on who you ask because it seemed to very real. the leaking of pop michael jackson singing and dancing to a track off his posthumous album "x scape" via hall grachlt even in death, jackson reminded fans why his artistry will forever live on. in case you missed it, roll it.
♪ she dances to his needs ♪ she dances to till he feels just right ♪ until he falls asleep ♪ she dances at the crack of dawn ♪ and quickly cooks his footnote note she can't be late, can't stay too long ♪ but t kids must get to school ♪ ♪ escape to the rhythm, escape to the rhythm ♪ escape to the rhythm, escape to the rhythm ♪ >> so there he was via hologram, the crowd was on fire, in awe, some people even cried. was it tool? was it creep glee entertainment correspondent michelle turner is joining me and, i mean, honestly, looking at it i don't think it really does him justice. i mean, it's pretty cool but --
i don't think it does. >> i said the same thing. i said the same thing. i've seen better holograms and michael jackson is such an amazing performer that i don't think a hologram can do him j t justice. i think it had elements of both creepy and cool and makes for good tv. the moves were accurate and i couldn't take my eyes on the screen. >> how did they pull it off. i think of tupac at coach which he will -- coachella, is it the same thing? >> they're trying to keep some mystery to this. they are telling how this was done, though. they say the performance was the result of six months of planning in filming. they brought in the brothers who are long time associates of michael jackson, they came in the to choreograph michael jackson's moves and it was a bit of old and new technology. we've seen these before and i know you're a big music lover so you know about the tupac hologram in 2012 at coachella and elvis in recents years.
i think it's interesting, though, it seems to me only the greats have been made into holograms, elvis, tupac, michael jackson, in good company. >> in good company. obviously michael jackson estate gave the green light. still, makes you wonder. would you have said okay? thoughts to ponder i suppose. >> that's a really good question. >> who knows? we'll never know, i suppose. michelle turner, i appreciate it. got to run because we need to start the next hour here. roll it. hour two, i'm brooke baldwin, had to get do this international crackdown of the mass invasion of privacy involving half a million computers worldwide. victims were allegedly terrorized without ever leaving their homes. the fbi says more than 90 people have been arrested in 19 countries. see all the green on your screen? 19 countries for allegedly using a program called black shades. with it, these hackers could turn web cams into spy cams, hold files captive demanding ransom and even record users'
key strokes for passwords. cnn obtained this exclusive look at the fbi's cyber command room as the takedown of these offenders actually happened and among the victims, this young woman miss teen usa who said she turned "hysterical" last year after getting an e-mail with pictures of herself without wearing any clothes taken secretly with her own web cam. the sender threatened to do it more if she did not do what he wanted. >> i received this e-mail and i saw, you know, the first three lines, i scrolled through it quickly on my iphone and i scrolled to the bottom and saw two photos and became hysterical because i didn't feel like this was really happening. it was -- it was crazy. >> cnn justice reporter evan perez has been all over this. how did the whole takedown happen? >> well, brooke, the fbi and working with the police agencies in france and germany and the
netherlands and, you know, various places in europe and canada have been studying this and looking at this for the last couple of years and finally they decided to take some action. they rounded up a lot of people in the last few days and preet barra a was describing today what this software does. >> the rat is inexpensive and simple to use but its capabilities very r sophisticated and its invasiveness breathtaking. for just $40, the black shades rat enabled anyone anywhere in the world to instantly become a dangerous cyber criminal able to steal your property and invade your privacy. >> brooke, one of the big things here was, you know, the fbi and these partners in other countries were able to go after not only some of the users of this software but a couple of the co-creators of the software,
including one guy who was marketing it all over the world. and, again, this is hundreds of thousands of computers that have been infected with this thing and a lot of people don't even know that they've been infected, brooke. >> that's frightening. and hearing the story from miss teen usa, i was telling our ethical hacker guest last half hour, i know this seems very simple but i use duct tape on my laptop camera because there are a lot of kroops out there. but beyond something like duct tape, can how k we protect ourselves? >> it's really scary to think about, right? that your own personal computer could be turned as a weapon against you. in the case of miss teen usa they were watching her for a year before she even found out about it. >> creepy. >> so in this case the advice people give to you is to update your anti-virus software, to not click on anything that you don't know where it's coming from, you know? and just to be very careful about what you share online because they use that information online, the things you share on facebook and twitter and they use it against
you to figure out how to target you and how to make you a victim of a crime, brooke. >> and how to get more out of you because they say "hey, we'll show this to everyone if you don't listen to us." it's frightening. even perez, because of this takedown, we will be hearing reaction from miss teen usa herself, cassidy wolf, she'll talk exclusively to anderson tonight to make sure you watch her at 8:00 eastern. today washington took the unprecedented step of charging five chinese military officers with cyber spying against vital u.s. industries. the justice department says the five officials worked for a supersecret spy cell known as unit 61398 believed to be housed in this 12-story building in shanghai. some are saying we're talking about trillions of dollars of theft against industrial giants like westinghouse, u.s. steel, alcoa, even the steel workers' union. china allegedly planting malware in the company's computers to
suck out sensitive information. china is disputing those u.s. allegations. >> this is cnn breaking news. breaking news out of new york where a federal jury has just convicted radical islamist cleric al masri of multiple counts of trying to kidnap americans in yemen and trying to set up a terror training camp right here in the united states. let's go to cnn in new york for more. >> reporter: abu hamza al masri was found guilty on all 11 counts of terrorism. they include kidnapping and trying to set up this obscure training camp in oregon. this is the radical islamist cleric you may know him. he had a pulpit at the fins bury mosque in london. he is accused of inspiring failed shoe bomber richard reid as well as the convicted 9/11 terrorist zacarias moussaoui. a jury listened to the case against him and even though this -- these charges were from back in 1998, prosecutors were
able to convince that jury that, in fact, he was guilty of all these terrorism charges. it took a long time for the u.s. to get him extradited from great britain but he was. he now faces a maximum sentence of life in prison and, brooke, one of the key people who testified against him was a woman who actually had confronted him because she was one of the women taken hostage in yemen and he is alleged to have coordinated that entire attack. he also took the stand in his own defense and he described osama bin laden saying that osama bin laden was a hot head and that he was in charge of an unfocused organization. those were his thoughts about osama bin laden. right now he himself has been convicted on all 11 terrorism charges. brooke? >> a hot head he says. and now convicted. thank you so much for that. well, today we do have some new developments in this back
and forth over the release of the raw data used to shape the search sewn from malaysia airlines flight 370 because now we have malaysia's acting transportation minister saying today calling on inmarsat -- that's the company whose satellites last communicated with this plane -- to release its data to the public. so many people, including some of my next guests, calling on them to do so. families of the 239 people lost in the plane have as well been clamoring for that inmarsat data to be released. so let's bring in cnn aviation correspondent richard quest and se cnn aviation analyst jeff wise. gentlemen, there has been a lot of back and forth, back and forth. who possesss the information? who can release it? here we have this possible news. richard, to you, is this a breakthrough potentially? >> yes, it is. my understanding is that the data is to be released. there have been backward and forward negotiations between inmarsat in the uk and the
malaysian government and various other authorities basically setting out exactly what should be released it's fine to say "release a data." but once you start going down the road you have to work out, well, what is the data? if you've got 500 pages of satellite logs, how much of it's relevant, how much of it's not? who's best qualified to put it together into a package to be released. there's no point in throwing everything out there. most of it will be absolutely irrelevant and then you've got questions such as how much about the satellite do you really release? my understanding is the word is very clear from both sides as much as should be released as possible. it's just a question of the logistics of working out what that is. >> let's look beyond logistics jeff wise, you've been part of this chorus calling on the transparn industry this inmarsat data.
what then. once this data comes down and some really smart experts take a look at this what do we get from that? >> well, really we hope to see some fundamental answers to this question that we've been asking all along. remember, we still don't know why exactly the authorities have been searching in this southern indian ocean. they say it has to do with something to do with the analysis of this data, perhaps also including the -- the radar data that may or may not exist. what this is going to allow us to do is the minute this gets released experts from around the world are going to start pouring over it, trying to figure out why exactly the authorities released the conclusions that they did and bring their own conclusions. >> a t former prime minister of malaysia wrote this opinion column questioning boeing's role in this investigation. he writes "a search on the internet reveals that boeing in 2006 received a u.s. patent for
a system that, once activated, removes all control from pilots to automatically return a commercial airliner to a pre-determined landing location. boeing should explain about this so-called anti-terrorism auto land system. i cannot imagine the pilots made a soft landing in rough seas and then quietly drowned with the aircraft. someone is hiding something. it's not fair that mas should take the blame." does he have a point? where's boeing in all of this? >> it's not the first time doctor mahathir mohammad has raised this question. the former prime minister who is now getting on this years has raised the question of whether or not u.s. corporations that are involved in the manufacture should be -- so particularly boeing, should be criticized. u.s. companies. look, this is a former prime minister who was not the u.s.'s
best friend in many diplomatic incidents. it's not surprising that he now takes a certain anti-u.s. stance in looking at all of this. from boeing's point of view i can tell you quite clearly they are sitting at the table with the malaysians and with everybody else and they are heavily involved but they are bound by annex 13 into what they can and cannot say it's their plane. they would come under the rubric of state of manufacturing. >> i was wondering. jeff wise, just hearing this whole thing and hearing the possible news with inmarsat, final word. what do r you thinking? >> i think we're going to -- if this does happen and i'm hopeful that it will we'll have ar very busy day tomorrow. we don't just need the data relating to the pings but we need to know what kind of instrumentation is aboard the satellite, what kind of instrumentation was aboard
mh-370. there's a a few pieces that have to fit together before we find our own answers from this data. >> we'll talk again. gentlemen, thank you, jeff wise, richard quest, appreciate it. are we any closer to figuring out what happened? join don lemon taking your questions tonight 10:00 eastern here on cnn. general motors, gm going through some sur mohel. you know about that. faulty ignition switches, the payout of $35 million, that fine from the federal government, but now some more bad pr. cnn has learned the auto company is banning their workers from using certain words in internal memos. we'll share those words with you and explain what led to this bizarre guidance ahead. also, it's a merger between these two massive media companies that would change how we watch our favorite tv shows and even if you're not a customer of at&t, directv, it would still impact your monthly tv bill. be right back. ♪
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welcome back, i'm brooke baldwin. general motors was hit with a $35 million fine for its sluggish response to the ignition switch problem and now we have this brand new public relations disaster for the company because this leaked list of words, phrases that general motors gm workers were asked not to use in internal communications. for example, "hindenburg" is a no-no. that's the blimp that went down in flames. can't say powder deg, kevorkian-esque, the doctor who helped people commit suicide. can't say titanic and apocalyptic. that's a no-no. so this list appeared in the a 2008 presentation well before we
all knew about the ignition switch issues which is tied to 13 deaths. do we know -- do we have context of this list of banned words? i mean, where did this even come from? >> which came from, brooke, a presentation that people at gm gave way back in 2008. so now that the cat's out of the bag that these words seem to have been used in internal communications, gm is coming out and saying to employees, look, you can use your words, just make them constructive. don't be cute, don't be clever. instead say specifically what the issue is and its objective way. so, for example, don't say this is a lawsuit waiting to happen, instead say something specific like "windshield wipers don't work properly." so what gm is telling workers is to think about how they would react if their e-mails with reported in a newspaper or tv. we did talk with gm about this and they told us that they encourage their employees to be factual in their statements,
though you've got to admit, this doesn't look good for gm when you consider there's been 11 million recalls so far this year and a good chunk of that number is for cars that came out before that 2008 presentation. so it would be very interesting to really get a good look at what some of those e-mails really look like. >> was this because there were fears that an internal memo could then be leaked externally and fears of litigation over these negative connotation phrases? is that what it is? >> that would be a logical conclusion, that gm is worried that maybe an e-mail could be misconstrued, that perhaps e-mails like this were written that could get out of the company, especially when the company is really trying to show that it's cleaning up its act. its flu chief, mary barra, now has this program called "speak up for safety" and it raises workers who come forward and point out potential safety issues and share ideas to make vehicles safer.
so you're seeing a company trying to come back and make good on what seemingly doesn't look good, brooke. >> speak up but maybe just not use these words. allison, thank you for that. coming up next, a top democrat has some pretty controversial things to say about someone in his own party. the governor of massachusetts made some remarks about hillary clinton drawing all kinds of attention today. we'll share what he said, perhaps look into his possible motivation for that. that's next. also ahead for the first time mers -- middle east respiratory syndrome -- has spread from one person to another person right here in the united states. is the virus easier to catch than we originally thought? we're talking live to the cdc. don't miss that.
a leading democrat is saying hold on, let's not coronate hillary clinton as the party's nominee for president, at least not yet. >> i do worry about the inevitability. because i think it's off putting to the average voter. i think that was an element of her campaign the last time and i would just -- you know, as an enthusiastic democrat i just hope that the people around her pay attention to that this time. >> governor of massachusetts sitting down with our own candy crowley. is deval patrick speaking for himself, for his own reasons or do other top democrats feel the same way. ryan lizza is with me now, washington correspondent for the
"new yorker." mr. lizza, nice to have you back. >> how are you? >> i'm wonderful. first things first. when i saw this the first thing i thaw is deval patrick maybe planting the seed of an insurgent challenge against hillary clinton? >> you know, in that same interview he did say that it's not his time yet. he has been someone who has been talked about as o a potential candidate for 2016 and not that long ago he opened the door up to running but that n that interview he said it wasn't his time. that's not shermanesque, that gives him a little room. remember in the last cycle at this point barack obama was saying he was definitely not running. so look, he's a smart politician, when a smart politician is asked a question about hillary clinton they know their words will be looked at under a microscope. they know people like you and me will be talking about them the next day so i imagine he chose his words very carefully. >> let's discuss two words that he used because he said -- he
said how about this inevident ability factor in how it made turn off some voters. again, you mentioned just going back to 2008 when clinton to some seemed unbeatable and then obviously we know how that turned out for her. >> i feel like deja vu, right? there was this long period in 2007 -- in 2006 and 2007 when everyone said there was no chance that anyone could take her on. nobody could beat her. then people started to rethink that. his comment yesterday was one of the first prominent democrats who actually is raising the question of whether she is as inevitable, she is as unstoppable as everyone has been saying. so it's a pretty significant statement. pretty significant moment in what we call the invisible primary. the sort of pre-preperiod. >> so in the pre-pre-period,
there is a nugget in the news about hunk, whether it's clinton people putting her out there or then you have the likes of karl rove attacking her as we saw last week. my question to you, you've been through so many of these cycle. ryan lizsa, we're two and a half years away. can you have too much too soon? >> it is but the people that are really paying attention right now -- and i think the polls would show average americans are not paying attention to the 2006 presidential primaries -- but the donors and the party insiders -- >> 2014. >> yeah. but they're not paying attention to the 2016 presidential cycle, right? but the donors and insiders who are looking to back someone are paying attention so when someone like adapt says something like this, something that's a subtle criticism of hillary clinton or a warning they're listening. they are listening and that's why we call this period the invisible primary and by the
time everyone else is paying attention, a lot of this invisible primary has happened and it affect what is people -- the vices that people have and the candidates that end up running in 2015 and 2016 so it's insider stuff but it does affect the process. >> absolutely fascinating. and you have your job cut out for you right now. ryan lizza. thank you so much. see you back here hopefully soon. we'll have new information for you today about this mers virus that has some health officials concerned because here's the first in this story. for the first time, the virus has spread from one person to another within the united states. we'll talk to the cdc live about how concerned they are. plus look at this. michael jackson like we have never seen him before. we have to talk about this hologram performance and explain the potential fight over using someone's image -- someone who's no longer with us. that's coming up. nowchoose one option fromith red lothe wood-fire grill,trios!
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within the boundaries of the united states. this case in illinois is the third one confirmed in the u.s. so let me bring in the director for respiratory diseases at the center for disease controls in atlanta. welcome back. >> thank you. >> specifically with this latest case of one individual spreading it to another here in the u.s., from what i understand this was a short business meeting, this was the only physical physical contact was a hand shake. that, to me, changes things as far as how easily this could be caug caught. >> we don't know everything we'd like to know but we know respiratory viruses can be spread by coughs and sneezes as well as contact like a hand shake. it's important to say that the individual in illinois was not will the virus didn't have active detection but we found evidence of anti-bodies in a
blood specimen. anti-bodies signify that an immune response has been made. we're double checking, triple checking that result to make sure that it's really anti-bodies to this mers virus, we can't prove that it was based on recent contact but based on what we know so far, it is reasonable to believe that during that business meeting the virus was spread. fortunately the gentleman didn't become ill and is doing quite we're doing an intensive information of contacts, passengers on airplanes, health care workers, household members to try to understand how easy it is for this virus to spread and what it looks like when it does. >> when you mention household and health care workers, that has been the messaging thus far from you and the cdc, that the close prolonged contact from people at home or maybe in hospitals but, again, going -- i know we don't have all the information but when i'm thinking of a hand shake, will the cdc be changing its
messaging? >> the most important thing to say is that there is not extended risk to the general public. we haven't seen easy spread of this virus in the community with severe disease result iing we'r just learning about the virus. there hasn't been widespread anti-body testing of everybody who's been in contact with a person with mers. part of our investigation has been intensive so that we could understand more about the virus. there may be a much broader spectrum of illness -- no symptoms, very mild symptoms ranging to the severe symptoms and life-threatening disease that's been reported out of the arabian peninsula. fortunately, here in the u.s. the two patients with confirmed virus infection and disease have both recovered and been discharged from the hospital. so that's good news in the u.s. >> wonderful news here in the u.s. bottom line when, dr. schuchat, when should somebody be concerned? >> the most important thing right now is for doctors and
nurses seeing people with respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath, to ask about travel. have you been traveling in the arabian peninsula within the last two weeks? if you have we want those doctors and nurses to do special tests to conduct the public health department to protect that person have spreading to anyone else while an investigation is going on. we don't want this virus to spread in our hospitals. we want doctors and nurses to think about it and test accordingly. we want the traveling public to be aware of the sciences and symptoms if you're coming back from southbound or other areas in the arabian peninsula, fever, cough, shortness of breath, let your doctor know you made a trip so they can take special precautions before you're seen. >> i appreciate your time with me today. thank you very much. >> sure. my pleasure. now to this. russian president vladimir putin is once again saying his troops are withdrawing from ukraine's border but nato leaders say they
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once again, it's feared russia's president is living up to his reputation and not his word. a spokesman for vladimir putin said right now russian troops are withdrawing from ukraine's border. but as you very well know, there is major turmoil in ukraine with fears that russia wants more of a power grab, trying to invade even more territory there. nato's leader said despite what russia said today, he's not seeing any evidence of a troop drawdown and the white house is taking note of this lack of action. let's go to the white house. here's jim acosta. jim, what are white house officials saying about this? >> well, brooke, i think their posture at the white house is similar to what ronald reagan
used to say back in the 1980s during the cold war "trust but verify." and maybe not even that much trust at this point. the white house is saying that they've seen these reports that vladimir putin has called these forces on the ukrainian boarder to pull back to their bases but at this point the administration has seen no indication that that is happening. and so at this point they're -- their attitude is that, hey, put up or shut up. until you move those forces away and we have the capacity to look at this, jay carney said that during the briefing. i think we would know if they were doing this, if they're indeed doing this, then really they just sort of view this as words at this point. what jay carney said was "such a withdrawal would be welcome but we've seen no indication of any movement." and where they are right now, brooke, obviously an invasion into eastern ukraine would bring about more sanctions from this white house, from this country and jay carney has said that but what the white house is looking towards, a key date, circle it on your calendar is may 25. >> presidential election. >> that's when they have the
presidential election in ukraine if they see russia meddling in those elections that will escalate the problems between the u.s. and russia and you'll hear some of this from vice president joe biden. he's heading to bucharest tonight in romania and he'll be talking about eastern european security as it relates to what happens what's happening in russia with ukraine and the president we should also mention, brooke, he's going to be in the region in a couple of weeks, he goes to poland to talk about all of this. it's something we'll keep your eyes on. at this point trust but verify might be a little too generous at this point. >> circumstance it will date on the calendar as you say because the world will be watching. jim acosta, thank you so much at the white house. the king of pop like you have never seen him before michael jackson in hologram at last night's billboard music awards. we will show you the performance and explain the potential fight over using someone's image -- someone who's no longer with us. that's coming up.
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fact, use the racial slur to describe the president and he refused to take it back now that he is gone. a new report suggests that president obama may have known about the problems in the department of veterans affairs even before his inauguration. this is a report coming in from the "washington times." it puts the white house at the center of this growing crisis and it will add to the pressure for the president to fire the secretary, general eric shinseki. chief washington correspondent jake tapper joins me now host of "the lead." you've been all over this. really the question is what did the president know and when? >> it depends on what you're talking about him knowing. president obama it was said today at the white house press briefing by jay carney learned about the specific scandal in the phoenix v.a. hospital. >> the false list. >> the accusations of a false list, individuals who lost their lives while waiting for their, that he apparently learned that through media reports i guess on cnn or follow-ups on cnn's
reporting. in terms of larger problems, systemic problems in the v.a., as you mentioned, the "washington times" reported they had through the freedom of information act obtained documents given to the obama transition team after he won in 2008 in which they described how to inspector general of the veterans administration department said there were problems in the v.a. there has not been specifically the president talking about fixing all of those problems but when eric shinseki the former general became the secretary of the v.a. department he did say he was going to work to correct as many of those problems as possible. so i don't think there's a smoking gun in the "washington times" documents but sure there there have for years -- this is the point i made in my interview with dennis mcdonough, the white house chief of staff last week -- been lots of stories about problems at the v.a. >> this is not news necessarily in a broader sense. >> in the broader sense, that's
right. in fact, the american legion has a map right now in which they're making the case that it's not just the phoenix v.a. and they have a graphic depiction of all the places that they say are examples of an epidemic of veterans administration mismanagement. you can see there on the map north carolina, south carolina, pennsylvania, nevada, texas, colorado, missouri. all over the country. and these are all examples from just the last couple years according to the american legion. now shinseki when he was asked about this said that he knows that there are isolated examples but he would not say there was a systemic problem. >> we know he answered some pretty tough questions on the hill last week but, again, just talking to drew griffin last hour, i said "drew, have they gotten back to you?" and he said "so far crickets." we'll stay on it, you'll stay on it. jake tapper, thank you. we'll see you at the top of the hour with "the lead" and now this.
just into us here at cnn. the nba has taken its first official step to kicking donald sterling out of the league. here's what we now know. a statement says the nba has "initiated a charge" seeking to terminate his ownership of the l.a. clippers. two dates now on the calendar -- may 27, that is the deadline for donald sterling to respond. he will be able to make a presentation at the nba board of governors, that's a group of owners. then june 3 is the date of the hearing. sterling's lawyer has already sent a letter to the nba saying he is fighting the league's effort to remove him from the league. there you have it, two significant dates on the calendar as far as this whole fight is concerned. we will be reporting on it of course. the musical genius of the late michael jackson came to life at last night's billboard music awards. the king of pop performed a la hologram a single from his newly released album "xcape" watch for
yourself. ♪ escape through the rhythm ♪ she dances for the man that works ♪ who works all the time, she can't ♪ i must be home in the noise ♪ she dances to the kitchen stove dinner is served by 9:00 ♪ >> so this wowed the crowd. maybe wowed you. there was a legal drama before the show. sot patent owners of the hologram technology sued. they didn't want the performance to happen. they said the show designers didn't have permission to use some of their products. judge tossed that lawsuit out. the hologram raises other questions about jackson's image
and the image of others. let's bring in sunny hostin. i thought it was cool. but i didn't think it did his moves jusjustice. i know michael jackson's etstat gave the green light to use it. we're not talking about his work. we're talking about his being. we can never know that michael jackson would be okay can this. >> i have watched it over and over and over again. i don't know if it was creepy or cool. it is about his image. his estate owns the image, his likeness, his music. just about everything. they went forward with this. and they agreed to doing it. it was with their blessing. what is so interesting is it almost didn't happen because of the lawsuit. the judge found the 3-d technology, not sure there was enough evidence that the patent had been toyed with and they let
it go forward. my goodness. so many people are talking today, was it creepy. but then i thought, we watch old movies of people. elvis presley, marilyn monroe. why is this any different? >> i think it's just different because he's surrounded by living, breathing dancers. then you have this michael jackson figure emerging and dancing among them. it blows your mind because so much of the story is technology. the center of the lawsuit was over the technology. as it continues to evolve, who knows what they're working on for tomorrow? has the law caught up with that, do you think? >> we talk about this all the time pip don't think the law has caught up with it. technology just moves day to day, almost hour to hour. the judge in this case was able to deal with the patent. they're something that has been around for a long time. we're able to deal with it.
going forward, the sky is the limit. if you can watch something like this, michael jackson almost appearing alive. you know, people were tweeting and saying, am i really watching michael jackson? i don't think there is a chance that the law will catch up anytime soon. perhaps, perhaps in the future. not right now. not right now. >> wild what people can do. sunny hostin, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> now to this. see the pictures. he's 130 feet long. 180,000 pounds. and by the way, really, really old. much more on this amazing colossal creature unearthed in argentina over the weekend. just $10 including creamy fettuccine alfredo, and our classic lasagna. plus unlimited soup or salad and warm breadsticks. signature favorites, just $10 all week long, at olive garden.
discovered in argentina's patagonia region. they could have been the largest animals to ever roam the planet. mark morrell joins me. nice to have you on. >> good to be here. >> can we talk about this picture. this paleontologist laying there. >> it was well in excess of 100 feet. would have weighed more than 16 african elephants. probably the largest animal to walk on the face of the earth. >> wasn't like a group of scientists were looking for these remains. it was a farmer who stumbled upon this. can you tell me the back story? >> sure. a lot of times we hear from local people that they have found bones. this group has been looking for
d dinosaurs in this area. this place they found came on the hint of a local farmer. >> did he just see something protruding from the ground and then -- how does that happen? >> you see, farmers, ranchers, everybody else are more familiar with bones than we are because they actually see them. they don't go to a butcher shop and buy a pre-cut steak. they told the paleontologists from a local museum they found the bones. >> you're the expert here. this creature roamed the earth, the patagonian forest 95 to 100 million years ago. when you look at the pictures of bone. i know obviously, with the excitement, come already those folks saying, is this in too great a shape? is this really real? do you always have questions of
authenticity? >> we do. at the same time, these are real. you can see them being excavated. this is a laborious process. they've been out there. a couple of animals. these things can weigh several tons. they can take weeks to get them out of the ground. >> how would these creatures have lived? i understand they had long, almost serpentine necks. they were herbivores. >> for a long time, people thought these animals had long next because they were like giraffes feeding on the top of trees. now, the bio mechanics, they're more like lawn mowers. they could stick their neck out in front of them.
they could feed over a really large area by waving their nicks along the ground. >> i had the giraffe image in my head. thank you, mark. curator in charge of the american museum of natural history. thank you for joining me. >> thank you. >> thank you for being with me. i'm brooke baldwin. "the lead" with jake tapper starts now. just like your compute, made in china. people accused of hacking into companies to steal secrets. what did they get? the national lead. it's a fake. that truthers plan to hand out. kbt these people give it a rest for one day out of respect to the families? and the money lead.