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you weren't around for the '60s. born in '82, were you? >> how did you know? all i can say is, that was a good song. have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me this morning. malaysia's government peels back the curtain on its search to missing flight 370. overnight officials released satellite data from the airliner's final hours. it's the very information that wildly diverted the search to one of the most remote areas on earth. where not a single piece of wreckage has yet been found. today's release comes after two months of angry demands and accusations from families of those aboard. and no sooner did this data go public before even more criticism that key information was being withheld. we'll talk to our own aviation experts in a minute. first, cnn's richard quest has
an exclusive look inside inmarsat, the british satellite company solely responsible for pinpointing the search. >> reporter: this is inmarsat, the company which for 35 years has been used by ships and planes to keep in touch. we were given exclusive access to the network's operation center. here in the satellite control room in london that you see the technology involved, and you start to understand how they came to the conclusions. the satellite involved is inmarsat 3-f1. one of 11 satellites in the inmarsat collection. it's in stationary orbit just over the indian ocean and it was to this satellite that mh-370 sent the signal, the so-called handshakes. leading the team here was mark
dickinson. with his colleagues he dived deep into the data. >> three types of information we have. we have actually messages from the ground station to the plane and back again. that essentially tells you the terminal is twitched on, powered up and timing information. in addition to that, some frequency measurements. >> reporter: timing told them the distance within the plane and satellite enabling them to create the so-called arcs. >> the plane travels, to get to the next arc here. >> reporter: they then factored in frequency differences. the so-called doppler effect. dickinson's team concluded mh-370 had to have flown south. in the opposite direction. it was a startling conclusion. >> what did you think when you got the data and started the modeling, you're putting it in and you suddenly realize where this plane probably went? >> let's check this. let's check it again. because you want to make sure when you come to a conclusion
like that, that you've done the right work. the data is as you understand it to be. >> reporter: was there a moment of disbelief? >> having messages six hours after the plane was lost is probably the biggest disbelief in terms of what you have. >> reporter: inmarsat quickly realized the analysis of data from mh-370 to the satellite would produce an extraordinary result and needed to be tested. so they ran the model against other planes which had been in the sky at the same time on the night, and against previous flights of the same aircraft. time and again they ran the model, over dozens of flights. and the planes were always found to be exactly where they were supposed to be. >> the notes came up no particular reason it wouldn't work like the others. not just inmarsat, others are doing investigations, experts helping the investigation team
who got the same data. made their own models up and did the same thing and get the same results, and speaking here for the team, getting roughly the same answers. >> reporter: the result of all of this work led to dozens of search planes and ships being sent to the southern indian ocean, where for weeks they followed the trail to nowhere. inmarsat's calculations have been called into question. the families demanding the raw data. >> well, i think the data itself, in stand alone, is not particularly -- you can't draw too much from it. what is more pertinent is to see the messages and see the important bit of information, and that's the job we've been trying to do, and some explanation behind how the numbers are used. >> reporter: to be clear, letting people make judgments on your work. you're not inviting them to re-do your work? >> no. i say, to re-do the work requires experts in many
different fields. >> reporter: mark dickinson recently returned from where had e was part of the rethink team. he knows the entire weight of this search rests on the inmarsat data. >> an investigation team working with this, understand what it means. it means this is all the data that we have for what's happened for those six or so hours. it's important that we all get it right and particularly trying, for the families and friends of the relatives onboard, try and make sure we can help to try and bring this sad instant to a close. >> reporter: the inmarsat data will guide the search for the foreseeable future. it's all they've got. without it, there would be no search at all. and the men in london are still sure they're right. richard quest, cnn, at inmarsat in london.
hmm. but i'm tell you right now, family members are not exactly rejoicing over this report. it's difficult to understand. and it's the process version, not the raw data experts have been demanding. let's bring in our cnn aviation analyst and former inspector general of the department of transportation mary skeechiavo author of "why planes crash" david soucie. thank you to you both. does this new data show the plane indeed ran out of fuel and crashed into the southern indian ocean? >> you know, this isn't itself does not, carol, in my opinion. however, i'm still convinced that they're correct that they did do the information correctly, but remember, there's a lot of other people involved in um canning up with these answers. there's -- this is a complex system, and co-dependent things going on with honeywell, with boeing, with the antenna manufacturer. there's a lot more to this than you can get from this singular
report. >> mary, what do you think is missing from this report? >> well, for the family's sake i would have liked to have seen more of the detail of how they used this data to come up with their conclusions, and as david said, he's absolutely right, it's not just inmarsat. many other participants, inlewdiinlewd i including boeing and inmarsat. much better for families to proip the data and full analysis and earlier this morning on cnn, ceo of inmarsat, rupert pearce said he provided all of that to malaysia and they are perfectly happy if malaysia releases it. why they did not, i'm not sure, but the data certainly does support, you know, that inmarsat had, you know, certainly a lot to analyze, and it's not just, you know, seven random points. there's something there and it's very important for the families to have it. >> so this report, david, was able to kind of pinpoint, maybe, where the plane went down, but does it lead to any other clues?
like did the plane go down because of mechanic's failual fr something else? >> a good question, carol. as i look at the data, a specific point, the bake frequency offset, we talked about it before, jumps really high. 80s, then to 170. suddenly it went to 273. tells me at some point something significant happened. either the data bus was lost, the 429 bus that gives the information to the satellite. it was lost. or an electrical failure of some kind on the aircraft, or simply turned off and they lost the data. it doesn't tell us a whole lot at this point but i'd like to look into that further and i am doing that. hopefully we'll find more information whether it was mechanical or physically turned off. >> i hope so. i know you'll keep us posted. mary, last question. the bluefin 21 is expected to wrap up its final mission torsion. the underwater search might not
resume until august when new vehicles are deplayed. when that happens, will the search look different? >> it will. it's going to look entirely different. australia is putting out bids for private empties to carry it out. they're going to map the ocean floor first, and then they're going to only after that, they're going deploy submersibles again. they've put oubt a bid for private companies to do it and looking for that to cost, both of those projects, to be about 55 million u.s. look different in different companies and different actors doing it. >> mary schiavo, david soucie, thanks, as always. still to come in the "newsroom," as the nation reels from another mass shooting, pressure is intensifying for politicians to do something. i'll talk with a lawmaker who says while washington laws can't stop all violence, it can be a start. [ female announcer ] you never know what might be out there.
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the shattered community of isla vista will come together for a morning of eflexion. santa barbara saw six of its students killed and other inyou are? ed in last friday's rampage. a memorial service held this afternoon on campus and flags lowered to half-staff across the uc system through this sunday. the tragedy has sparked renewed calls for stricter gun control laws in this country from grieving parents who call congress' inability to come to some sort of compromise a
dereliction of duty. >> politicians after sandy hook swore they could do something. >> we're all proud to be americans, but what kind of message does it send to the world when we have such a -- such a -- such a rutterless bunch of idiots in government? >> these things are going to continue until somebody does something. so where the hell is the leadership? where the hell are these people we elect to congress and spend so much money on? these people are getting rich sitting in congress, and what do they do? they don't take care of our kids. my kid died, because nobody responded to what occurred at sandy hook! >> democratic senator richard blumenthal of connecticut joins us now. good morning. >> good morning. thank you, carol. >> thanks for being here. is mr. martinez right? >> he is right that congress' failure to act is shameful, and
disgraceful. that day in april of last year when we had 55 votes but failed to reach the 60 needed to pass a comprehensive measure was, in fact, a day of shame and disgrace in the united states congress, but i am absolutely determined that we will achieve common sense, sensible measures, including a focus on mental health, which i think is common ground to bring us together. the majority leader, harry reid harks pled he will bring these bills back when we have the votes and i think we need to pursue the organizing and mobilizing at the grass roots level that we saw so necessary in the wake of that failure back in april of last year to pass these common sense measures. >> senator, california -- california has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. the shooter in this case, abided by a background check and waiting period. never charged with a crime or voluntarily committed.
how would any gun control law prevent this particular shooter from buying a gun? >> there is no single solution. there's no panacea to the problem of gun violence, and not every death, even every mass shooting, can be prevented, but health professionals going with those police who spoke to mr. rodgers after he was reported as being suicidal might have helped them to detect and even to treat the very severe mental illness that made him so dangerous to himself and others. mental health initiatives are part of a common ground. perhaps the point of consensus that can bring us together on both sides of the aisle. it should be bipartisan, and what we have to remember, carol is that very soon everyone will have known someone who has suffered from gun violence or will know someone among the 32,000 every year who are
victims of gun violence. either by their own hand or others, and we need to remember that our community is ill if the withe -- filled with the people like the parents of javier martinez, we continue to grieve those 26 great educators and young children in sandy hook, every win of us will be touched by this problem, and we need to continue this effort. even if it doesn't eliminate every death. >> in focusing on the case in california, because this is the latest event. right? the shooter, rodger, he used a knife, too. he use add knife to kill three people and then he use add gun to kill three more. some argue, if a deranged person wants to kill, they will find a way. it's the argument that gun control advocates cannot seem to win with those who passionately believe in gun rights. so how do you compromise? >> there are compromises that will save lives. that's very simply the undeniable truth. keeping guns out of the hands of
dangerous people, whether they're severely mentally ill, or felons or drug addicts, background checks will help stem and stop gun violence. that's an irrefutable truth, and the myth that that will mean taking guns away from law-abiding people is absolutely incorrect. the second amendment continues to be the law of the land and what's needed now is a renewed compliment to organizing, to bringing these bills back, which i hope will happen, and to making sure we have a -- >> well, senator -- >> -- will to make our streets safer. >> senator, i say this and mean no disrespect. i can tell you right now the majority of my viewers thinks this conversation is a wait of time or worse. can you really look them in the eye and tell them it's not a waste of time? >> i can look anyone in the eye and say, far from wasting time. this effort is about law enforcement, about protecting our police, whose lives are on
the line. our children who are victims every day in our streets and neighborhoods, about keeping guns out of the hands of dangerous or severely mentally ill people, such as this young man in california. not every law will solve every problem. enforcement is an issue. mental health is something that can bring us together. mental health resources, training for our professionals who go out to interview people who may be mentally ill, and trained professionals to go with them. so as to protect people better. >> senator richard blumenthal of connecticut, thank you so much. >> thank you. still to come in the are in nin "newsroom," ukraine, reaching a new and deadlier stage possibly. and in kiev, jim. >> reporter: cnn is now or never fighting the country's massive insurgency and they're following through with a great deal of bloodshed. more right after this break. ♪
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fighting between ukraine's military and separatists is intensifying this morning. the mayor of donetsk says 40 killed in a gun battle going on for control of the city's airport. two of the dead are civilians. another 31 people have been injured. government air and ground forces attacked the militants after they took over an airport terminal on monday. the ukrainian military's fierce response to that terminal takeover may be one sign of a
shift in how the government is taking the fight against the separatists. cnn's jim shuuto is in kiev. >> reporter: a real change in the last 24 hours, a real escalation in this anti-terror operation, as the kiev government calls it, against the militants in the east. a senior ukrainian official telling me this morning "it is now or never to fight this militancy". we've been far to patient so far. after sunday, a new president with a commitment to shopw he's tough to fight these groups and they were reluctant to take severe measures while the election was happening, didn't want to spark for violent clashes with the militants and now feel they have a mandate and are pushing forward using tactics we haven't seen when the militants took over the airport in donetsk, responded with attack helicopters and jets. a terror training camp destroyed today in lugansk.
another province near russia. we'll continue to see that over the coming days. as a result, seeing a lot of bloodshed. piled bodies -- bodies piling up literally in morgues in that eastern part of the country. >> jim shuuto reporting live from kiev this morning. a nigerian military ish tos knows where the kidnapped girls and and says the military will not use force try to rescue them. boko haram abducted 200 schoolgirls six weeks ago. the terrorists could use them at human shields in the case of a military operation against them. still to come in the "newsroom," the data used to track the final hours of malaysian airlines flight 370. search officials make it public for members -- for family members, but are still angry about it. we'll make sense of it for you. >> the numbers we've been waiting for and waiting for, almost 50 pages of numbers. and some actually do add up.
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flight diverted hundreds of miles off course and why the semp was then shifted to the southern indian ocean. today's release comes after two months of angry demands from the families of those aboard. they want their own experts to verify that conclusion, but immediately after the release, critics say the report is incomplete, and missing key information that independent experts would need. chief complaint -- today's release shows the communication logs but does not explain exactly how the british satellite company estimated the plane's last known location. according to inmarsat's ceo, it's malaysia's government keeping those details secret. >> we have absolutely no problem putting our model in the public domain, and that is a decision for the leading country to put out there. it's clearly information and materials and workings that we contributed into the inve investigati investigation. the proper decision-making around that lies with the malaysian government. >> okay. so what exactly is in all that
data? and how do all of those numbers add up to more clarity on one of aviation's greatest mysteries? haven't haven't's tom foreman is in washington to break it down for us. hi, tom. >> reporter: hi, carol. we keep talking about the mistress of the plane being gone. here is the mistress on top of the mystery. how did that come up with this pattern based on these partial signals between a satellite and an airplane that were not intended to track direction? these are the documents we've been talking about. such a big deal right now. almost 50 pages of this. largely, if you look through all the documents you see page after page of numbers, numbers, numbers, numbers. the only ones that probably really matter to most people are the end of age 40 and beginning of page 41, because that's where you can see, if you look down here, these are the -- the frequency between the satellite, using technical terms they use, why it's confusingened a the timing offset. you can see in one set of the
numbers here it goes from 252 to 182. 18040 to 2300. this as best we can make out changes into distance, in a way. what they've been saying all along is that these numbers show that the plane was getting further away from the satellite, and by using that, they were able to calculate that if the satellite's over here, where it is, that the plane is moving further out and that's what created these rings where they locate the plane. now, it's very important to notice. you see all the arrows here? all that is telling you is the time at which the plane crossed those rings. so, for example, you could sap the plane was here, and here and here, and here, and here. just in a straight line out this way. or you could say it went up this way or you could say it went down this way what they're saying. the only way you get the bottom pattern and not the other ones is then by studying this burst
frequency offset, the doppler effect. that's convinced them it's gone south. what i don't see in these numbers, carol, we've been looking at them very closely, is a clear understanding of how that math works. now, the officials at inmarsat sat down with our richard quest and explained to him how they went through the process, but even there when he said to them, specifically how did you get this? they kept saying, it takes people with very, very high levels of mathematical and physics training to understand how we got here. that's why even if they're releasing all the right information here, carol, it's going to be very hard for anyone to look at those numbers and say, ah, i've rebuilt it, recalculated it and i also get this path down by australia. until enough numbers are released to the right experts for them to re-create this on their own independent of the malaysian government, and inmars inmarsat, i think you'll have people unsatisfied that this is
necessarily where this plane went. >> i think you are absolutely right, tom foreman. many thanks. for the families of those aboard flight 370, the release of this data does little to tamp down the distrust and resentment that festered for weeks. steve wang, who lost his mother on flight 370, ripped the delay in making that information public. >> what did they do for this more than two months? they haven't searched for anything? they haven't found anything. and we are suspicious for the first day that whether they are searching the right place. whether what they are tracking is true or not. our loved ones are on the plane. without direct evidence, we never believe it. >> cnn is in malaysia's capital kuala lumpur with more. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, carol. yes, stephen wang's opinion on this is reflective of others as well. sarah bacj who spearheaded the claim, calling on them to
release the data, she wants full disclosure. because of the emission of various pieces of data, as tom explained there, data was missing, but it compares various flights with mr-370, she feels there hasn't been full disclosure and wants to see it all. she wants to see it all, because, of course, everyone and everything is relying on this data to lead the search to the southern indian ocean. also i've been speaking to family members here in malaysia, on the flip side, they aren't -- they feel dissatisfied with it, yes, but feel it is a continuation of the way they've been treated by the malaysian authorities, and the investigation teams. they feel very unsatisfactoied the way they've been treated to date and also say, look, until we get some data we won't have 100% closure and won't be satisfied. frankly, we don't believe this data is 100% reliable, anyway, and then we also have other family members who feel this is
really a breakthrough. take a listen. >> i think it's perhaps the first time there's been demonstrated willingness to make data publicly available. i think that's a critical point that i'd like to emphasize, because thus far it's just been a lot of stonewalling and hiding behind all kinds of arguments of safety, security and credibility of the investigation. so i think this has been an important step in sharing information to the public. >> reporter: stonewalling, delays, frustration. carol that is, of course, all the kind of words we're hearing from the many different voices of the loved ones of those onboard flight mh-370, as they try and make their way to some kind of clarity as to where the plane ended and where their loved ones are. carol? >> reporting live for us this
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veronika weiss, a 19-year-old fresh ma gman gunned down outsi a sorority house. with me from california. good morning. >> good morning, carol. you know, bob weiss wanted to talk about his daughter, because he wanted people to know who she was. he said she absolutely loved her life. she loved school. she was so into it, and he said she was the kind of person has would go up and talk to anybody. she would make friends with everybody, and cannot believe she is gone now. bob weiss had a special bondver. she was his first-born child and he was a stay at home dad until she was 12. >> so i changed her diapers. took her to preschool. taught her how to throw a ball. >> reporter: the two were almost
inseparable. veronika headed off to university less than a year ago and now her father is having to do something he cannot bear to do with her. bury her. veronika weiss is one of the six students whose lives were taken in a diabolical killing rampage just days ago. bob and his wife and sons raced up to the university when they didn't get a phone call from their normally conscientious daughter. waiting for word from officials, they tracked veronika the cell phone. still on. even began to move, but she wasn't answering. >> how did you know, how were you sure that she was gone? >> we got on her iphone and located it in the middle of the crime scene. and then we actually were looking at the phone while they were moving her body away from the -- probably to take her to the morgue. >> reporter: they knew then that she was one of the girls who died here on the front lawn of
the this sorority. >> it's preposterous a kid in that bad of shape could go to three different gun stores and buy an arsenal, but it happens all the tile. >> reporter: weiss wishes rodger had known the truth about who he actually killed. >> she was kind. she -- she was the person who would reach out to the kids who weren't the popular kids. some of the nerdy kids, some of the kids that were a little bit like this rodger kid described himself as, being kind of a little bit of an outcast? >> reporter: now the weiss' and other victims' families are left with only memories to remind them of who their children really were. >> the outpouring of support and love -- i can say this. when somebody close to you dies, reach out to survivors. because even though it feels
awkward and you don't have anything to say, every little word, every little sentence on facebook, it all means something. it means -- you're not alone. >> reporter: he, his wife and two sons are heartbroken over all of this. as are all of the families who are dealing with this tragedy. we do know that today the school is closed. uc santa barbara has closed, and they will have a memorial instead. carol? >> sara sidner, reporting live. what's new in the next hour of "newsroom," elliot rodger's women-hating sex rants, the movement wayses an important question. is the killer's sick mind to blame or is it a larger issue than that? all new in the next hour of "cnn newsroom." i always say be the man with the plan
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checking some top stories for you at 48 minutes past the hour. praying for a miracle. thoser the words of the mesa county, colorado sheriff. the search continues for three men missing after a series of weekend mudslides near the utah border. the men had gone to investigate damage from the first mudslide and vanished when two more massive slides hit the region. parts of colorado bracing
for more severe weather after a tornado ripped through an oil field camp last night. one person caught the twister on tape. nine people were hurt. one hospitalized. the storm also destroyed at least a dozen recreational vehicles. the holland nda accord, top for car thieves. the fifth straight year its topped the most stolen list according to lojak. the honda civic and toyota camry finished second and third. driving a turquoise car, drive easy. the least likely color to attract thieves. black cars are their favorites. some important housing numbers out this morning. basically showing the housing recovery is trending in the right direction, but may be slowing down. our chief business correspondent christine romans is in new york >> good morning, carol. home prices still increasing in most of the country but not rising as quickly as they have been in months and quarterbacks past. here are numbers for you.
home prices nationwide, this is the 20 city composite index from kay shiller, up 0.9% from february to march. rose almost 1%. compared to march last year, home prices up 12.6%. that feels really good but remember, we came down hard for several years and these home prices are still trying to claw out of that big decline that we saw. still rising. there's a chart overall since 2006. still creeping up, carol, but slowing. slowing, we are in terms of the pace of the home price gains. >> sort of like the pace of the overall economy. >> yes. >> do different geographical regions matter in the slowdown? >> all real estate is local. like politics. all real estate is local. some high flying cities see 22% year over year price increases like san francisco for example,
las vegas. but pace of the increases is slowing. when you look at places like new york, you saw prices decline a little bit from february to march. that was a little bit unusual. you saw record high prices really nearing peak prices in dallas and denver. depending on where you live, it could be a very different scenario. still seeing a lot of these home purchases are cash, all cash. a lot of home buyers say when they find a house they want to buy, they are surprised because other people come in with cash and pretty much rip the house from under them. where there are people trying to get active in the housing market, it's the cash buyers dominating. >> christine romans reporting live for us this morning. thank you. art lovers rejoice. more than 400,000 high quality images from new york's metropolitan museum of art now available to download online and it's free. the museum says the digital collection is part of an initiative to make the works more assessable to the general public. the images can be used for any
noncommercial purposes so you can probably expect a few pieces from van goh to pop up on your facebook feed in the neat future. a journey back in time for a surprised music fan in minnesota. ♪ i come to you with open arms >> the memories. former journey lead singer steve perry himself sang publicly for the first time since the 1990s when he jumped on stage at a rock concert in st. paul on sunday. he's working on his first solo album in 20 years, which might explain why he's on stage singing today. still to come in the "newsroom," michelle obama planning to take a public stand against critics of the healthy school lunch program this afternoon. michelle kosinski live at the white house to tell us more. good morning. >> reporter: could it be the first lady versus congress? taking a stand to keep high standards in school lunches.
the first lady michele bachmann ready -- michelle obam to take on congress. some schools will opt out of federal rules established in 2010. opponents argue the program is too expensive and some schools are having trouble meeting the program standards. the first lady accompanied by nutritionists who support the program will make a statement at 2:00 p.m. eastern time. very unusual for the first lady to take a stand like this publicly. michelle kosinski live at the white house to tell us more. good morning. >> reporter: who knew that school lunches could be such a murky topic so political and also pretty emotional at this point. the white house, especially the first lady, and those that
support these tougher standards that went into effect in 2010 for federally funded school lunches. they did things like reduced sodium content to make sure each kid taking a lunch had to choose at least one fruit or a vegetable. but then you have this move coming from the house appropriations committee backed by republicans that say it's just not working. that some schools can't afford it, first of all, and that it contributed to a lot of waste. that's a big argument. kids who are forced to take a fruit or a vegetable are taking it but they're just not eating it. they also say that numbers of kids accepting those meals have been dropping but the other side is saying that they're just being influenced by none other than corporate interests. the frozen pizza maker, french fry makers are influencing
members of congress to have those foods included. this is something of a real fight. we'll hear the first lady today and in coming days speak out against this and really taking this bit of a move in congress head-on, carol. >> i guess lawmakers were kind of successful with the frozen pizza thing and tomato sauce being a vegetable although tomatoes are a fruit. maybe they didn't realize that. >> reporter: i think the real question is the politics. how much of it is based on real progress and real science and real data and how much are those influences there behind the scenes. >> we'll see. michelle kosinski, many thanks. the next hour of "cnn newsroom" starts now. good morning. i'm carol
costello. overnight officials released satellite data from the airliners final hours. it's the very information that wildly diverted the search to one of the most remote areas on earth, the southern indian ocean where not a single piece of wreckage has been found. today's release comes after two months of angry demands and accusations from families of those aboard and no sooner did this data go public before even more criticism that key information was being withheld. we'll talk to the partner of one american passenger in just a moment. first, richard qwest has this exclusive look inside immarsat, the british satellite company solely responsible for pinpointing this search. >> reporter: this is immarsat. the company which for 35 years has been used by ships and planes to keep in touch. we were given exclusive access to the network's operation center. it's here in the satellite
control room in london that you see the technology involved and you start to understand how they came to the conclusions. the satellite involved is immarsat 3f1. one of 11 satellites in the collection. it's in geo stationary orbit over the indian ocean and it's this satellite that mh370 sent the signals, the so-called hand shakes. leading the team here was mark dickinson. with his colleagues, they dive deep into the data. >> it's three times the information we have. there were messages from ground station to the plane and back again that shows you the terminal is switched on and powered up and we have some time information and in addition to that there was some frequency measurements. >> reporter: the timings told them the distance between the plane and the satellite enabling them to create the so-called
arcs. they then factored in the frequency differences. the so-called doppler effect. the team concluded mh370 had to have flown south in the opposite direction. it was a startling conclusion. what did you think when you got the data and you started to model it and you put it in and you suddenly realize where this plane probably went. >> let's check it again. you want to make sure you come to a conclusion like that that you have done the right work and data is as you understand it to be. >> was there a moment of disbelief? >> having messages for six hours after the plane is lost is probably the biggest disbelief in terms of what you have. >> reporter: immarsat quickly realized analysis of data from mh370 to the satellite produced an extraordinary result and needed to be tested. so they round the model against
other planes which have been in the sky at the same time on the night and against previous flights of the same aircraft. time and again they round the model over dozens of flights and the planes were always found to be exactly where they were supposed to be. >> there's no reason why it shouldn't work for this particular flight when it works for the others and it's very important that this isn't just an immarsat activity. there are other people doing an investigation. experts helping the investigation team who got the same data and made their own models up and did the same thing and see if they get the same results and speaking for the teams we get roughly the same answers. >> reporter: the results of all this work led to dozens of search planes and ships being sent to the southern indian ocean where for weeks they followed the trail to nowhere. immarsat's calculations have been called into question. the families demanding the raw
data. >> i think the data itself stand alone is fairly opaque and you can't draw too much from it. what i think is more pertinent is to see the messages and important bits of information and that's the job that we've been trying to do and some explanation behind how the numbers are used. >> reporter: to be clear you are letting people make judgments on your work. you're not inviting them to redo your work. >> no. redo the work takes experts in many, many fields. >> reporter: mark dickinson recently returned from where he was part of the rethink team. he knows the entire weight of this search rests on the immarsat data. >> everyone on the investigation team working with this understand what it means. it means this is all data that we have for what's happened for those six or so hours.
it's important that we get it right and particularly trying for the families and friends of the relatives onboard to make sure that we can help bring this sad incident to a close. >> reporter: the immarsat data will guide the search for the foreseeable future. it's all they've got. without it, there would be no search at all and the men in london are still sure they're right. richard qwest, cnn, immarsat, london. this new report isn't exactly sitting well with many of the families of flight 370. they say there are not enough details in this document. let's bring in sara. her partner, phillip wood, was on flight 370. sara, welcome. >> thank you for having me on the show. >> thank you for being here. are you satisfied by today's
report? >> well, we're pleased that they finally started to give some information but we are not satisfied that the report has been delivered in a format that is clearly had management done to it. what we expected were raw files. the data cycles that get downloaded from the satellite to the satellite station would be far more difficult to manipulate or to falsify than a pdf file as an example. i'm not accusing immarsat of doing that because i believe they're a good company and doing their best to help in this situation, but that data has been taken out of their hands and been massaged through also now the malaysian government before it was released to the public. it also doesn't hold everything that had been asked for. there are probably about 50 different points of evidence
that the families have been asking to be released that we believe there has to be more transparency in this search because there have been just repetitive errors demonstrated by the investigation team so far. so once you have been bitten 20 times, you become a little shy of that one time that somebody says trust me on this one when all of the other ones have been proven wrong already. >> you're right on this one because the malaysian government appears it is withholding information because earlier dat ceo of immarsat was on cnn. listen to something he said about this data release. i'm sure you've heard it. listen. >> what's gone out today are the raw data communication logs over our networks. all of the information that we have that passed between our network and the plane during the fatal hours when the flight was lost. so it's everything. we put everything out there in
terms of the communications between our network and the plane itself. >> so immarsat said it released everything it has. the malaysian government is the entity holding things up. the families have been so united in this. why is the malaysian government still withholding information do you think? >> we don't understand it. they are clearly covering something up. whether they are covering up their own incompetence or wrongdoing or they're covering up on behalf of somebody else, for instance another more powerful government, it could be any of those scenarios. there's no other explanation for this repetitive closing of the vest. i've said it so many times i feel like a broken record. in most countries in the world, the air traffic control records are public record. it's open to the public. civilian radar data is open to the public. yet we've not seen any of that
in this investigation. so, you know, there's just been too many things that you would expect to have been disclosed that have not been disclosed. and i want people to remember, this is about the families and our loved ones and wanting to find out what happened but it's also about air traffic safety. 8 million people every single day get on an airplane and we had an airplane go completely and utterly missing and the powers of the world are claiming that they don't know anything about it. that's a very, very scary thing. i'm just astounded that more people aren't taking this more seriously. so, you know, someone has to be covering something up in this. i just do not buy it. i just don't buy it that somebody doesn't know something else. >> i'm just curious to ask you this question because i know you've got this new data now and maybe you've hired experts to look at this new data. have you been in touch with
experts and have they imparted anything to you that's new? >> within minutes of receiving it, it went out to about a dozen people. nobody who was hired. there have been people from all over the world who have stepped forward to volunteer their expertise. faculty at major universities, people who are highly published and well regarded in their fields. some work together in teams. some work solo. already we've had some preliminary feedback come back that there are some discrepancies showing in the burst frequency numbers as an example. it's too soon to tell. the malaysians have been holding onto this data for 11 weeks. we've at least got to give these guys a couple of days, right. they've only had it in their hands for a few hours for most of them because of time zone differences. let's give it a few days to see what they come up with. >> thank you, sarah.
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sterling. the clippers owner must respond in writing to the nba's charge he damaged the league with his racist comments. if sterling does not respond, the nba will consider he's admitting to the charge. the league set up a hearing a week from today where sterling can respond in person to the owners. praying for a miracle. those are the words of a mesa county, colorado, sheriff as the search continues for three men missing after a series of weekend mudslides near the utah border. the man had gone to investigate damage from the first slide and vanished when two more massive slides hit the region. the nigerian military says it knows where more than 200 abducted girls are being held. the country's defense chief says they won't go in with force to free the girls because the girls could be killed in the process. >> the good news for the girls is we know where they are but we
cannot tell you. we cannot come and tell you. just leave us alone. we are working. we will get the girls back. barbara starr at the pentagon. will they get the girls back. >> reporter: this is becoming a delicate situation. if nigerians say they know where they are then you have to ask the question why is the u.s. still there because the u.s. mission is to help the nigerians with intelligence to help locate the girls but nigerians say they know where they are. u.s. officials say they have no information to independently corroborate those reports and that the u.s. hasn't been asked to leave yet. the u.s. also believes it has information as we have reported here that the girls have been split up into smaller groups. some may even have been taken across the border. so a bit of a conflict of information, if you will. i think the u.s. and nigerians probably agree on one point. at this point nobody wants to
use force to go in. there's a lot of concern that wherever these girls are, their safety could be at risk. typically in nigeria we all know a lot of these situations are resolved through negotiation, through ransom demands. we'll have to see if that is eventually how this one comes to an end. hopefully a peaceful end. carol? >> i hope so. barbara starr reporting live from the pentagon this morning. we'll be right back. with diabetes, it's tough to keep life balanced. i don't always have time to eat like i should. that's why i like glucerna shakes. they have slowly digestible carbs to help minimize blood sugar spikes. [male announcer] glucerna...
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y yet. cnn's nick paton walsh will tell us more. hi, nick. >> what we know at this point is there are 40 dead from yesterday's clashes. two civilians and we've seen undignified sad pile of militants at the local morgue here. many doctors say with bullet wounds and wounds from heavy weaponry. i saw one dead civilian female with a large head injury. it's distressing scene for many in donetsk. they demanded the ukrainian army to leave. the majority of the dead we saw today come from two trucks. we also saw that were hit by heavy weaponry by the
ukraineiaukrain ukrainians. interesting developments where separatist have heard of a window opportunity for them to leave the city center between 1:00 and 4:00 that passed. it's now 5:00 local time. after that they say they have been told they may have key buildings struck by air strikes. >> we lost nick's transmission. you get the gist of that. things are turning around in ukraine. we'll have to wait to see if they turn around in ukraine's favor or russia's. elliott rodger's social media backlash. what it says about our culture.
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families of the victims here in this community. all of them students at the university of california santa barbara. and all of their families cannot understand why their children were taken too soon. vigils held across california honoring all six uc santa barbara students killed in the deadly shooting and stabbing rampage by 22-year-old elliott rodger before apparently taking his own life. >> we don't want our kids to get hurt. this shouldn't have happened to any family. >> reporter: parents inconsolable including the mother of 20-year-old yang, one of three men deputies say rodger stabbed repeatedly in his apartment. >> i don't understand why this happen to me. >> reporter: classmates remembering their studious and happy friend. >> never had any enemies. always super friendly. a really good guy.
did not deserve this. >> reporter: the sheriff says the gunman was mentally disturbed and he planned to kill men and women he saw as popular kids. taping this youtube video titled retribution. >> i wanted love, affection, adoration. you think i'm unworthy of it. that's a crime that can never be forgiven. >> reporter: i will kill them all and make them suffer, he wrote. just as they have made me suffer. one of rodger's childhood classmates mentioned in the document describing him as quiet. >> he didn't say much. i don't remember him saying anything. he only spoke when he was spoken to. >> reporter: a family friend says rodger's parents feel a pivotal moment was missed last month when six deputies conducted a well-being check on mother after his mother discovered other chilling videos he posted online documenting his "loneliness and misery" but the
officers say they found nothing alarming during their check. >> we would like to believe that we could collect all of the data, all of the evidence, and be able to identify mass murderers before they act but we simply cannot do it. >> reporter: you know, carol, what has really gotten a lot of people talking, all of the students, all of the students who died were between the ages of 19 and 20. we're talking about freshman and sophomores who came to school excited about their lives blossoming, their adult lives moving on and now you have these families who now have to bury their children. it's unspeakable. >> sara sidner reporting live this morning. supposedly rodger's childhood rejection from a 12-year-old classmate along with his inability to have sexual relationships with women later in life led to his deadly retribution of that childhood crush rodger wrote "i started to hate all girls because of this.
i saw them as mean, cruel and heartless creatures that took pleasure from my suffering." it struck a nerve. thousands of women used twitter to express their solidarity in response to rodger's hate filled rants. other women claims rodger's sexist rants are part of a culture that breeds violence against women pointing specifically to bad boy comedies like seth rogan's "neighbors." >> rogan, the actor, is not happy. he tweeted how dare you imply that me getting girls in movies caused a lunatic to go on a rampage. welcome to you both. >> good to be here, carol. >> it's a tough conversation.
we'll give it a go. so women, especially those in college, are scared of men that take advantage of them. it's hard to argue in this climate that they don't have reason to be, right? >> exactly. i think what's important to point out and we also saw hash tag not all men kind of sprout up here. women aren't saying all men are like this and all men do this. they say that almost all women have felt harassed and been objectified and some sexually assaulted on campuses. we've seen the power of social media for victims on college campuses to bring attention to what's happening and put pressure on colleges and universities to do more when there are these allegations. you really see sort of this from the ground up women talking in real personal ways about what they say is happening and why they feel like we have to have a larger conversation here to stop it.
>> marc, i want you to listen. "how many students watch frat boy fantasies like "neighbors" and feel shut out of college life that should be fun of sex and fun and pleasure. how many men raised on judd apatow comedieieies find those y ending elude them and conclude it's not fair." >> they see women as prizes and possessions. it's a culture where women walk down the street and subject to street harassment all the time. a world where women say i have a boyfriend because if you say i'm not interested, that's not enough. they will accept that you are
another man's possession. some call it a rape culture. we encourage violence against female bodies. this guy had mental health issues. i suspect in the perfect world he would still be violent. there's something crazy that it contributed to his mental health issues. >> i think this is a great conversation to have. it's a dangerous line we're walking. i frankly don't believe all men view women as simply objects. there's definitely a problem especially at universities with sexual assault. by having this conversation some men might think we're condemning all of them and the majority of men are good people. >> that is right. i think you saw that. you saw that online. i had conversations even in my own household where men that respect women, not all men are like that. i think what i was struck by as a mom of two girls, those tweets where moms and parents say i tell my girls to watch their drinks at bars but do we tell
men don't put drugs in women's drinks? i tell my girls be careful so that you're not assaulted on campus but do we tell enough of our men to not sexually assault women? do we talk about consent. there's one school, yale university, they talk about consent being yes or no but it should be an enthusiastic yes. i think we need to have more of those conversations from kids going through middle school up and that will help the dialogue and could help how women and men feel moving forward. >> marc, the last thing i think we should concentrate on because i can hear many of our viewers say do young women add to this culture too? i don't believe that. i'm throwing that out to you. >> you said do young women add to this culture? young women are part of the culture absolutely. there are black people complicit in white supremacy and women who
are complicit. gay people are complicit in homophobia. the culture suspect people victims of these systems and survivors of these systems. it's on us as people who have power to deal with. i would be a hypocrite to not speak out about male plirivileg. will will say what was she wearing? that was a problem for a woman to ask that question as well. that's not rooted in women's issues. that's rooted in a male control over female bodies that women have inherited. we have learning to do. i rather focus on what men need to do to fix this issue than women. >> quickly, what do men need to do, marc. >> we need to learn to view women as human beings. we can't be self-righteous. i'm talking about myself. unlearning process of rape culture we must also learn. at the core we have to stop asking women what they did to get raped. we have to ask what do men do? we have to stop asking why do women not want me and ask myself what choices have i made and decisions have i made to make me
think i'm entitled to this. >> a good man. marc lamont hill. >> some days. >> last word, kelly. >> i would just say respect. that's teaching respect for men to respect women at the youngest of ages and to each confidence and empowerment of our girls at the youngest of ages so they know what's not okay and what they should not stand for as they move forward into adulthood. >> i'm just looking at the window washer thing coming up behind you and having this important conversation. thanks to both of you. i really appreciate it. marc lamont hill, kelly wallace. still to come, cutting a rug in the classroom to sell healthier school choices to skeptical schoolchildren. now the first lady goes toe to toe with congress as critics are upset with changes to her signature cause. .. chocolate is my other favorite... oh yeah, and frosted! what's your most favorite of all?
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the first lady, michelle obama, is about to get into one serious food fight with congress. since she's been in the white house, mrs. obama has been a champion of exercise and eating healthy. >> eating right foods can help make you a better athlete. >> instead of potato chips, a healthy alternative is kale chips. >> gross! >> not gross. >> it's been made fun of but some people say it's been quite effective. well now one of the first lady's major health initiatives is in jeopardy. it's all over a new measure backed by republican lawmakers that would allow schools to opt out of federal mandates requiring schorequire i requireing school cafeterias to provide healthier nations.
>> we can agree that in the healthiest nation on earth, children should have a basic nutrition to pursue their dreams because in the end nothing is more important than the health and well-being of our children. nothing. should drive every single ture - decision that we make. >> that was mrs. obama back in 2010 when she signed the healthy hunger free kids act into law. well now some members of congress and the food industry want to roll back that initiative and loosen requirements to cut costs. today the first lady takes the unusual step of delivering white house remarks speaking out against that house measure and in another twist, a one-time ally of mrs. obama's initiative is now a critic. welcome. >> thank you. >> i just wanted to make sure you could hear me. help make it clear for our
viewers. are you totally against mrs. obama's initiative or is there a little wiggle room between the two sides? >> the school nutrition association and all of our 55,000 members are not opposed to healthy changes to school meals. we support many of the requirements under the new standards including the increased quantities of fruits and vegetables, the requirementses for certain subgroups of healthy vegetables, but many districts around the country are struggling with these requirements. we experienced a lot more food waste and we feel like our members need some time to adjust to these changes. get their students onboard before they move forward. >> so you want to spend time teaching children to like their vegetables? >> yes. there are many districts already including my own where children select a variety of fruits and
vegetables and we're very happy that they do so. even in my own district, we've experienced considerable waste especially in our high schools as students don't like to be told you have to take a fruit or vegetable in order to have a reimbursable meal. >> how much waste are we talking about? >> well, i have some pictures of some very pretty garbage cans full of apples and oranges. students pick up what they're supposeded to have at the end of the line and immediately throw it in the garbage and many of our members have experienced this in their districts. >> what do you do? do you offer kids junk food again? less healthy fare in the hope one day you teach them to like their fruits and vegetables? >> absolutely not. we will continue to offer them healthy foods. whole grains. lower fat products. reduced sodium products.
but we want to be sure that they will eat it. so we're not saying let's put junk food back on the serving line. for most districts that hasn't been part of the school meal in many, many years. we want to be sure that students are comfortable with these changes and willing to take what's offered to them and will find it acceptable and enjoyable. >> when you say that, what are you offering these children in place the fruits and vegetables. what's that food offered to these kids that they'll eat but still kind of healthy but not? >> well, the only thing we're asking is that right now the students are required to take a fruit or vegetable in order for the meal to be reimbursable. prior to new rules, students could select a fruit or vegetable if they wanted and in many districts including my own we promote a fruit or vegetable of the month and have beautiful displays on the serving line in
an attempt to make them appealing to students. in my elementary schools, many students select more than one fruit or vegetable. we don't want them to have to take it to put it on their tray if they don't intend to consume it. it is contributing to increased waste in many locations. >> i ask you these questions because many people worry, you know, if you loosen these rules, are you going to reintroduce unhealthy foods into schools like the frozen pizzas and potato chips, et cetera, et cetera. because given the choice, kids will eat those things rather than any fruit and vegetable you'll ever offer them. >> well, the rule goes into effect this year would eliminate most products like potato chips unless they are baked and only contain a certain amount of fat and sodium. the rules already remove many of the unhealthy products. the pizza has a whole grain crust. it's topped with vegetables often. so there are healthy versions of
some of the kids' favorites. we want to make sure they have the opportunity to select those and enjoy those foods. >> thank you so much for sharing your insight. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. michelle obama's white house remarks today at 2:00 p.m. eastern. we'll keep you posted. actually, this story just into cnn. the supreme court says police officers were within their right to use deadly force in a car chase that ended with two people dead. the family of the driver and passenger killed sued but today in a unanimous ruling, the supreme court said the police officer have immunity from those lawsuits. senior washington correspondent joe johns is at the u.s. supreme court and caught me by surprise. this ruling just came down. tell us more, joe. >> reporter: carol, this is an important ruling in the sense that it clarifies what police are allowed to do and not do in
the event that they have to use deadly force especially involving a high-speed chase. this is a case that goes back to july of 2004. there is video of it. dashboard camera video taken by police officers. what happened essentially is that an individual inside this car would not stop trying to drive. police fired a total of 15 pointblank rounds into the car which killed both the passenger and the driver of the car. the court ruling that the constitutional rights of the individuals inside the car were not violated and police acted reasonably in firing those rounds into the car. it's an important decision for police. a victory for police officers around this country as the court continues to explore this issue of judgment calls involving deadly force especially when a car is being used as a deadly
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have become vital in the fight against crime in big ways high up ways. brian todd joins me from washington to explain. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. we're talking about surveillance technology here that is so powerful it can track a person from two miles up and can cover 25 square miles at once. it's enough to make you feel like you're constantly being watched. for law enforcement, this can be like having a slow motion replay button to track back any crime scene. you're watching a murder unfold. look at the curser toward the bottom. in an instant, the suspect approaches, fires, the victim is down. the killer sprints off. this 2009 shooting in mexico was captured from 10,000 feet, about two miles up. >> you can see a group of people here reacting to the shot. they come over and look at the victim and then they run down the alleyway actually after the shooter. >> reporter: from their especially equipped cessnas, ross and his firm can monitor
large sections of cities. because they're in the air for hours at a time, they can track back to the moment of a crime and before it. >> they meet up three to four times prior to the murder including one time right outside of the murder scene. >> reporter: in the moments afterward -- >> we can follow all of the cars. we'll jump over and follow the car the shooter got into and see where he goes to. >> reporter: they tie in a google earth street view image to show police the house where the suspect went to hide. they helped police make arrests in that shooting. >> we witnessed 34 murders so far and we have confessions that account for 75. >> reporter: also in juarez, they captured the murder of a female police officer circled in red. you dread it as you see her unable to outrun her killers. >> she was shot six times in the head and shoulders and we watch her run into this parked car here. >> reporter: they can pick out suspects by looking for strange behavioral patterns. right after murders, the
suspects in juarez like many others -- >> they drive like idiots running red lights, swerving around people. >> reporter: the team has monitoring other high crime cities. compton, california, philadelphia, baltimore. they can replicate their operation center in dayton, ohio, anywhere. in a typical operation, law enforcement officers will sit in this area monitor a police scanner. when a call comes in that a crime has been committed, these analysts track back when and where it occurred and sometimes they can catch up to a suspect in realtime. dayton, 2012. word of a burglary and track the suspect in a white truck as he's getting away and get police right to him. >> allows us to gain data on criminal offenses for which often there are not witnesses and clearly police officers are not there to prevent. >> reporter: privacy advocates say it smacks of big brother. >> they may have crossed a line.
this creates an opportunity after the fact to look at anybody for any reason. >> we respond in support of law enforcement to reported crimes only. >> reporter: and they closely monitor their own analysts to make sure they're only tracking suspects. now despite this controversy, police departments in at least ten different cities around the world are interested in buying their system to use on a permanent basis. carol? >> i can see why but sometimes even though it's taking a picture of a wide area, sometimes the picture doesn't tell the whole story. >> reporter: that's right. it doesn't tell the whole story. sometimes you do need some analysis from police. you need complementary capability there. they agree this doesn't solve everything. they do say that you can get a lot of other information just from that one murder in juarez they tracked back through that video and they found two locations where drug cartels operated from. they found 12 locations where the killers had been and they tracked 12 different cars so it can help you with this web of information that's very helpful for law enforcement.
>> thanks for a fascinating story. we appreciate it. still to come in the "newsroom," the price of a college education continues to go up and up and up but with an uncertain job market and ballooning college debt, is the college education still worth it? you betcha. we'll talk about that when he come back. and crowd cheering and i found myself in the middle of this parade honoring america's troops. which is actually quite fitting because e come back. we come back. aawh no, look, i know this is about the troops and not about me. right, but i don't look like that. who can i write a letter to about this? geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. you wouldn't have it she any other way.our toes. but your erectile dysfunction - it could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right.
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is college still worth it? it's a question people have been asking a lot lately. student loan debt is topping 1 trillion there a trilli trilli trillion. is college worth the price tag? the answer is a resounding yes. tell us more. >> people argue about whether college is worth it are people with college degrees. everyone comes to this country and works hard to send their kid to college because when you look
at numbers clearly you make more money if you go to college. $29.46 is the average pay per hour. the numbers i'm about to show you are for kids age 25 and higher. 3.3%. that's unbelievable. i don't diminish the trouble young people have getting into the labor market. difficulty finding a job within their major. when you look at numbers of earning and unemployment, college is worth it. numbers say it over and over again. i asked if college was worth it to an author. >> the returns to education overall are i would argue among the best investments any human could make any point in history. the more knowledge you acquire, the better you will do. that doesn't mean that the college track is right especially when you're overpaying. >> so the overpaying is the big hard part.
college tuition up 544% since the 1980s. 544%. we are really having this debate about whether the colleges are delivering the kind of education that's worth it but clearly knowledge, skills, and education pay off in long-term. >> public universities are great and they're a lot cheaper. christine romans, many thanks. thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "@ this hour" with berman and michaela starts now. new information from flight 370's last hours out there for the public to see. do all of those pages actually tell us anything? is the data what distraught family members have been pleading for? >> elliott rodgers spent two years thinking about his killing spree. wasn't there something that should have tipped someone off in that time? new revelatio f