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has more breaking news on this story. it will start right now. good afternoon. i'm anderson cooper. it is tuesday, july 22th. i wand to welcome our viewers around the world. a lot to get to in this hour. breaking news. several u.s. airlines are suspending all flights in and out of israel's main international airport in tel aviv to maintain the safety, they say, and the security of employees. one was diverted midflight after reports of a rocket or associated debris near ben guerin airport moments ago. it was diverted to paris. this map from flight tracker shows how the plane turned around just past athens. joining me in jerusalem is wolf blitzer. rene marsh is in washington. our chad myers is in atlanta. so, wolf, exactly how close did the rocket get to the airport? what damage, if any, did it do?
>> it did some damage just outside the airport. a couple miles or so from the airport. clearly, it looked like they must have been aiming for the ben guerin international airport, which is outside of tel aviv. a rocket came in, did some damage to a house nearby. enough damage to convince delta to stop flying into israel. in fact, that flight, 468, is a daily nonstop flight from jfk in new york to tel aviv. i happened to have taken that flight about 11 days ago when i came here. it's a regularly scheduled flight. on its way to tel aviv. one of our own correspondents, john voss, was on that flight. he alerted us for some reason, he didn't know what, the pilot in midapacproacmidapproach, in turned around, went to paris, and are not coming to israel. the other carriers are us airways and united. united and us airways delta. looks like even though the faa hasn't told them to go ahead and
suspend or cancel all flights, it looks like they're all going to go ahead out of an abundance of caution. they didn't want to take any chances. i suspect in part because of what happened over ukraine with the malaysian airline flight 17 the other day. they just want to be on the safe side of rockets or so. coming closing to ben guerin airport, they don't want to be in the position of coming in from the mediterranean and landing right now. there is a statement from israel about all of this. a spokesman for the israel airport authority. just gave a statement to cnn. there is -- this is the statement. i'll be precise, anderson. there's no decision on behalf of the u.s. government about flights to israel. that's referring to the faa. the faa's considering recommending that u.s. carriers stop flying. but they haven't made a formal decision, i'm told, yet. this statement from delta and u.s. air, which decided unilaterally to cancel flights that were scheduled to land this evening in israel. the israel transport ministry and the israel airport authority, they are acting to try to explain to u.s. carriers,
indeed, other international carriers. they believe ben guerin airport is safe for departures and landing. the transportation minister of israel called this evening on all u.s. airlines to return to routine flights. and he says there is no fear for the safety of planes and passengers. he adds this, he says there is no reason for american carriers to stop flying to israel and thus give a prize to terror. but clearly a very, very significant development. el al, the it's israeli airline, they fly nonstop from delta to israel. now, anderson, all of this is happening the day after the state department issued a travel advisory last night recommending that all nonessential visits by american citizens to israel be canceled. not only israel but to the west bank. they certainly say this has been in effect for a while.
you shouldn't go to the gaza strip under any circumstances right now. they did issue that trav advisory last night. recommending that nonessential visits to israel be canceled at least for now. it's going to be a severe blow to the israeli economy which relies heavily on tourism. this is one of the ramifications between what's going on between israel and hamas in gaza. >> just adding to a sense of isolation. has there been any statement by hamas on this? because certainly i imagine they will play this up as -- as a victory of some sort. >> yeah, they certainly will. remember, last week, i spoke to a hamas spokesman, and he said they had issued a statement reading all international carriers, especially u.s. carriers, stop flying to ben guerin airport. that caused quite a bit of stir. about a week or so ago when hamas made that statement. some interpreted that statement
as hamas threat to international carrier, u.s. carriers flying in and out of ben guerin international airport. don't fly there because your planes could be in trouble. but the planes still came in. now in the aftermath of this actual rocket hitting an area not too far away from ben guerin airport, i guess these u.s. carriers are deciding to err on the side of caution, suspend flights for now. i suspect also as i said, i think what happened to the malaysian airlines flight 17 probably is in the back of their minds as well. >> rene marsh in washington. what kind of reaction are we getting from the white house, if any? >> well, anderson, just a short time ago, this very issue came up at the press briefing. and without further notice, i want you to just take a listen to the white house spokesperson, josh earnest, as he spoke about the decision as far as the faa goes and what kind of actions will be taken based on this developing news. here he is right now.
>> as it relates to the airport in gaza, it's my understanding the faa has not issued notices related to the ongoing violence in that region of the world. i do think this does serve to illustrate its individual carriers that make the decision about the flight planes and whether or not to alter specific routes based on hostilities on the ground. >> so not the faa's call. they were essentially leaving that decision up to the carriers. very interesting to hear that. because just days ago following the shootdown of malaysian flight 17, iona, which is an industry group that represents airlines, put out a statement that specifically said it is up to the government to tell airlines where it's safe to fly and where it's not safe to fly. so here you have the white house saying we're leaving it up to
the carriers. just a couple days ago in this statement, we have this industry group, iona, saying it's up to the government to tell us. it seems like something needs to be worked out here as far as streamlining the process to determine when it's safe, when it's not safe for these carriers to fly at this point. anderson. >> i want to bring in chad myers to the conversation, rene. chad, i know you're actually tracking flights other the area now. what are you seeing? >> well, the flight that was in question, the 468, really took an unusual path. clearly in the middle of the flight, well past france, well past paris, all the way down to greece, a u-turn, bringing that plane all the way back up here, into france, into charles de gaulle. we have other graphics and planes in the area still. this is not a time when a lot of u.s. carriers fly to europe. this is not really the on time. this is the time that other carriers are flying from europe back to the u.s. so we can switch to the other graphic. showing you right here,
tel aviv, not much in the way of any airfare. maybe you can zoom out that screen a little bit. tel aviv, all the way around from lebanon. very good guys, thank you. other planes coming across here, across from cyprus, from greece. most of the planes avoiding the area altogether. they're all avoiding the area in the eastern ukraine. just a small sliver of safe airspace across this area, anderson. >> chad, appreciate it. rene marsh, wolf blitzer as well. we'll continue to follow this breaking news and get the latest from the ground in gaza coming up next. we'll be right back. my motheit's delicious. toffee in the world. so now we've turned her toffee into a business. my goal was to take an idea and make it happen. i'm janet long
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so there's no stopping you. period. as we've been reporting, several u.s. airlines are suspending all flights in and out of israel's ben guerin international airport because of security concerns as the conflict between israel and hamas intensifies. i want to bring in richard quest and lieutenant colonel rick francona. first of all, rick, the capabilities that hamas has with these rockets, i mean, they're basically point and shoot. they're not actually tracked. they can't necessarily aim for the airport and know that they're going to hit the airport. >> they just fired on -- where they believed the airport is. they used google earth and us used -- and fired it down. but they're totally unguided. totally at the whim of the wind and manufacturing defects. these are not high-precision weapons. >> they're not weapons that can
be changed or altered once fired. >> no, they're completely unguided. and they've got two -- the -- >> so the chance of hitting an aircraft or attempting ton hit an aircraft with something at this distance -- >> hard to calculate. they can hit the runways. they can hit the terminal. they can hit the airport. >> they just need to come within several miles of the airport and we see results here, with delta and other areas starting to stop flights. >> you only have to have a rocket in the air in the general vicinity before you're going to start saying hang on, do we really want to be flying with a lumbering plane at lower altitudes at slower speeds. look, there is -- i do not know weather delta, us airways and united are being overly cautious in taking this action. air france, lufthansa, they're
all flying. ba had a flight that just left air france. >> obviously also el al will continue to fly. >> i don't know whether delta and the u.s. carriers are being overly cautious. i do know you cannot ignore when the three largest airlines in the world choose to make this decision. the new american is the largest carrier. united is the largest carrier by certain measures. you can't ignore their decision, right or wrong. >> it certainly has ram fa i kas. ramifications. psychological impact on state of israel, the people of israel, a sense of isolation. >> they always prided themselves on being one of the more stable parts. even in this volatile part of the world, you could always rely on the stability of israel, and now this is being called into question. >> from the aviation industry it creates more of a mess than ever before.
all those passengers that delta has refused to carry to tel aviv today because as chad was showing, the plane's gone back to paris. who's delta's joint venture partner? air france. who will bring the passengers on? air france. many of those passengers still wanting to go to tel aviv. if air france doesn't pull their flights. >> do you think other airlines now are looking at this situation, trying to determine whether or not to cancel? >> they're looking to decide what to do. when there used to be extreme terrorism and violence on the ground, many carriers refused, because their staff refused to overnight in tel aviv. they would fly in and they would fly to cyprus overnight for the return. now you're concerned with the aircraft in air on low approach. i guess every airline's now making their decision. >> we'll see what happened, richard quest, thank you very much. now more on the escalating violence. the death toll continuing to
mount as the u.s. pushes for a cease-fire in the fight between hamas and israel. here's where the casualties stand now. 604 palestinians killed. more than 4,700 wounded since israel began its operation protective shield, which is what they call it, two weeks ago. it's not clear how many hamas militants have been killed. in total, 27 israeli soldiers have died. more than double the number killed in the war with hamas in 2008 and 2009. two israeli civilians also killed. our karl penhaul join us now from gaza city. where is the fighting focused right now, carl? >> the fighting is going on so thick and so fast, really, anderson, that it's very difficult to keep track of the casualty figures. my understanding is they have also gone up in the course of this afternoon, but over as we were speaking, as you were speaking, over my shoulder there, on the eastern part of gaza, there seem to be heavy israeli air strikes going on.
heavy pounding is going on periodically we see plumes of smoke going up there. we have, in the course of the afternoon, also heard naval gun boats in action, firing artillery on to the gaza strip mainland. we've also seen hamas militants are not putting their heads down. they're continuing to fight. we have seen rockets going out. we saw what appears to be a very large single launch and then from a single position, a multiple launch of four or five rocket, anderson. >> i'm getting reports that morgues in gaza are simply too crowded with bodies and they're trying to get family members to come and take those bodies away quickly because they frankly don't have room. have you heard that? >> yes, absolutely, anderson. we were down at the morgue at the main hospital, on sunday. even on sunday, that morgue was full. there wasn't enough space in their refrigerated space. their bodies were on the floor.
bodies were strewn across the floor. the doctors didn't have time to do any autopsies. they barely had time to get them in, wrap them up and get them out the door. and so now in the last 18 hours the palestinian health authority is saying that just in the last 18 hours about 70 new deaths. so i can't imagine what the scenes are down in that morgue, haven't been down there this morning. as far as burying them, well, according to islamic ritual, the dead should be buried before dusk. when we went to a funeral the other day of three children killed in the afternoon, the mourners literally hoisted those dead bodies on stretchers and ran to the burial site to put them in the ground before dusk. so some very dramatic scenes. there really is no dignity in death. as you say, no space in the
welcome back. i want to bring you some new pictures from the dutch embassy in washington. president obama signed a condolence book for the many dutch nationals killed over eastern ukraine. >> this is an opportunity for me to extend, on behalf of all the american people, our deepest condolences over the loss of family and friends, to express
our solidarity with the people of the netherlands with whom we've been friends and had the deepest ties for centuries. we will work with them to make sure loved ones are recovered. that a proper investigation is conducted. >> earlier today, a train delivered all but a few of the 298 people killed last thursday to relatives safely in the ukrainian city of kharkiv. they're awaiting flights to the netherlands that are due to get under way tomorrow. also aboard the train were the plane's so-called black boxes. that we know now will be analyzed in the united kingdom. from washington comes this u.s. government graphic depicting the malaysian airliners flight path in yellow. the path of the surface to air
missile in green. the point of impact and the main debris site. speaking today on cnn, a ukrainian government spokesman claimed a russian trained officer, quote, pushed that button deliberately. but a top russian diplomat claims pro-russian militants may have gotten confused, thinking they were targeting a military plane instead. kharkiv is an important stop on the final journey of the victims. still, this is territory held by the ukrainian government, not by the separatist, so that is very significant. my cnn colleague nick paton walsh is there. what do we know about exactly where and how the remains, how the victims are being kept? >> well, we saw early this morning the trains make their way into the rail station near where i'm standing. the malaysian official, because they have experts here assisting in the investigation, telling me
the separatist handing over to him 282 bodies and what he referred to in intact condition, a good condition, so not damaged by the blast that took out mh-17 out of the sky. he did also say, much more troubling, that he was handed 87 different body parts by the separatists as well. so the task we always knew was going to be difficult for dutch officials to identify everybody on that plane and they will be doing that in the netherlands rather than here to speed up the process of bringing that back as quickly as possible towards their families. but perhaps some good news. the vast majority of those body s have been delivered in comparatively good condition, making perhaps identification somewhat easy. going through the bodies here, putting them in coffin, which have been shipped in, and then the flights will begin. that malaysian security official, perhaps optimistic, saying he hopes it might happen, at some point in the early hours of the morning. but a very large task ahead, anderson. the officials here from all over
the world come to assist the ukrainian government and the key thing is getting those bodies back as quickly as possible to their home country, anderson. >> nick, the netherlands has sent a plane. there's a plane on the ground that's going to take the remains back to the netherlands? >> well, the dutch military and government have been sending a variety of airplanes in here, some of which we saw arriving last night at the airport, shipping in equipment, officials trying to assist. we're told those were coffins being used to take the bodies back. from what i'm hearing from the malaysian official, there aren't aircraft yet on the ground here to take those bodies back towards amsterdam. you can imagine the system between amsterdam and here. so they can facilitate that process. we understand as soon as the first bodies are able to leave here, ukraine, to go back towards amsterdam, that will
happen. so perhaps this is a process that will continue in the days ahead. anderson. >> nick paton walsh. finally, one step closer, finally out of territory controlled by pro-russian rebels. coming up, we'll talk with a medical examiner about how investigators will identify those remains. that's in about 15 minutes from now. a lot ahead. joining me now with month more on the knowns and the unknowns and the various claims, cnn military analyst, lieutenant colonel rick francano along with former air investigator david soucie. david, you brought a black box. obviously, it's not black. what, is this basically the same -- >> it's a different model, different manufacturer, but it does do the same thing. collects as many as 10,000 data points off of the aircraft. from that, where it would be important now anderson, is trying to figure out exactly what direction that missile came from, in case someone would try to say, it wasn't a missile at all, it must have been a bomb, it must have been something
going on other than that. so this is a critical part of the proof of the aircraft, in that it will tell you exactly what flight altitude the flight was at. so coordinating debris through the aircraft and where it came out the other side, it can determine the trajectory of the missile coming out of the aircraft. >> unless the electrical system on the plane was instandly disabled by the blast, it would also tell us how long pilots were able to -- were wrestling with trying to control the plane. >> it could, however, where the missile hit, if you look, the tail is separated from the aircraft on the accident site. you see where it's separated, it's likely from the photographs i've seen, without being on site, it's likely the power to these were cut off because these are in the tail of the aircraft. >> we talked about the missile hitting the plane, but that's something of a misnomer. it actually just gets into the vicinity of the airplane. >> it's a fragmentation warhead. the warhead is designed to fragment into small pieces about the size of a quarter. and there are thousands of them. it just creates a cloud that the
aircraft will then fly through -- >> so is the shrapnel actually the warhead or is the warhead packed with shrapnel -- >> no, no, what they do is they have the explosive charge, which only turns out to be about 50 pounds i guess, but then there's 100 pounds of metal that wrap around it, and it's scored on the inside into a diamond pattern. like brake lines when you put -- so the explosive force turns the casing of the warhead into this thousands of pieces of shrapnel and they're uniform sized diamond shaped. >> so that actually just pierces the exterior of the aircraft? >> right. >> it's so very likely that a number of people were killed instantly from shrapnel. >> well, it would depend on where it penetrated the aircraft. it looks like from the diagram that the government released that it came up from the front of the aircraft, but it looks like the explosion was probably underneath the aircraft and came up under the tail.
>> so the fuel cells penetrated by the -- >> that also would have sheared the aircraft too pieces. >> at least two segments is what -- >> at least two? >> typically, it's three, but in this case it looks like two. >> david soucie, thank you very much, colonel francona as well. there are so many families in anguish over the senseless tragedy. one mother lost two sons on board flight 17. the memories she's left with of what her little boys said to her right before leaving is next. ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? ♪
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as we talk about the black boxes, who's to blame, the missiles, the debris, the victims' family members are planning funeral, and they can only help their loved ones will be returned so they can have a proper burial. a mother lost two of her sons on malaysian airline flight 17 nearly lost a third. talking to her about a conversation she had with her little boy before he got on the doomed flight with his big brother. >> reporter: a mother's regret. >> if i could just turn back time, you know. i didn't listen to him. i don't know. i have no words to say. >> reporter: samir's three boys were setting out on a fun-filled holiday to the other side of the world. but the youngest, miguel, was nervous. >> my youngest son, he came to
me, and then after entering the -- for the passport, he came back, said to me, mama, i love you, i'm happy to see oma, but i'm going to miss you. and what happened when the plane will crash? i said, come on, don't be silly. you've been traveling already so many times. everything's going to be okay. >> reporter: miguel and shaka were on their way to meet their grandma in bali. their other brother mika had to catch another flight because mh-17 was fully booked. >> and your big brother volunteered -- >> yeah. >> to go first with your little brother. >> uh-huh. >> reporter: from all over the world, the family has come together. they're struggling to make sense of it all. >> everybody is crying, everybody is losing something that belonged to them, but we
feel like we have lost ourselves as well. why didn't they take my life? they still young, they still have a future. why, why the children? why not me? >> reporter: how are you going to remember them? >> it feels like they're already one with me now, the bond i have with them is just they're my best friends, they're my brothers, and i feel like they're going to watch over me forever. >> reporter: erin mcglock lynn, cnn, amsterdam. >> it's just unthinkable, one family's loss. joining me now by phone from amsterdam is their uncle. thank you for being with us. i'm so sorry for your loss. i cannot imagine what your family is going through. i know you were like a father figure to these boys. tell us about them.
what were they like? >> thank you, anderson, for your wishes. i just -- almost choking up again, just watching that piece. well, they were great kids. my sister had been a single mom for the last four years. and instead of being challenging teenagers, they were very comforting to her. they were her pillars. she relied on them. they cooked for her. they helped with chores. shaka just finished the first year of college. he's studying engineering, textile engineering. miguel had just finished elementary school. and his dream was becoming a formula one race car driver, like a lot of boy's dreams. so he had just gotten a go-cart license and he was just so happy. but they were very joyful kids. although they've been living under challenging financial and emotional times the last four years, they were always in a
good mood. >> it's just, i mean, it's impossible to even imagine the grief that you are going through. have you -- has your family received communications from authorities? have you gotten the information that you're looking for at this point? >> aside from the fact that we have heard that the train has departed and that the bodies are being collected, the body bags are being collected at the airport, not really. the forensic authorities here in the netherlands, there's two police officers that have been in construant contact with us. they have been very helpful and comforting. and they came this morning to take a dna swab from my sister. and they explained the grueling process essentially a little bit. they were very blunt. they apologized beforehand. they explained that they don't know how long the process would take. it could take 2 1/2 months. it could take 4 1/2 months. the collection of the bags. the csi or dna testing lab work.
and whether we are recovering a limb or a body that's intact, he doesn't know. and so, you know, they explained to us whether we wanted to just -- if they recover a limb, would we want to wait as a family to perhaps have both boys together, if at all, or do you want -- do we want to bury just part of it? and that was incredibly difficult just to sit there. un -- surreal. you're sitting there thinking, is this really happening? >> it must not seem real at times. a death always has those moments where you wake up and you think maybe this didn't happen. in this case, does it seem real to you at this point? >> yeah, sometimes you want to pinch yourself and, you know, human nature, you just show that you're wrong, that this is just something that's a nightmare, you're going to wake up any
moment. then you see wonderful pieces that are being shown on your network primarily but on some other networks as well and you realize -- you're sitting there, you're saying, you know, this is really, this is really happening. so that's why i was just choking up just now before coming on air, because it just hits you, it really hits you, like, okay, this is no nightmare. i wish it were. but it isn't. >> and your family has gathered together. you're together now, yes? >> we're together. i flew in from houston. my mother was on her way to bali. she was slated to arrive two hours prior to them. so she was going to wait for them at the airport in bali. she had just landed in singapore and was trying to catch the connecting flight. she only had an hour difference. so she was in a hurry, wanting to deplane. and of course that's when they told her and was still so disappointing that malaysia air, right after they expressed their sorrow about what happened, they said, well, it's not our fault,
just really callous and bad timing. so she then was diverted ten hours later through london and finally to amsterdam and of course my sister, she lives 45 minutes away in a smaller city, away from amsterdam, so she's here with her second son who, thank god, survived. >> haruon, please extend our condolences to your sister, to her son, to the entire family. it's an extraordinary loss. words feel so small in the face of this loss, but i appreciate you talking to us about your nephews, thank you. >> well, thank you for your tribute, we really appreciate it, anderson. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> we wish you peace in the difficult days ahead. we'll be right back. nineteen years ago, we thought, "wow, how is there no way to tell the good from the bad?" so we gave people the power of the review. and now angie's list is revolutionizing local service again.
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more breaking news at this hour. the faa has announced it's prohibiting u.s. airlines from flying to and from israel's main airport. i want to bring in cnn's richard quest. we already knew about some airlines making this decision. now this is faa banning all airlines? >> no, banning u.s. carriers. only have authority over u.s. carriers. now the actions by delta, united and us airways, american, become a lot clearer. they obviously knew this was coming. it's a notice to airmen, and it says, you're prohibited from flying to and from israel for a period of 24 hours. the notice issued in response to a rocket strike which landed a prox mattly one mile from ben guerin international airport. the notice applies to u.s. operat operators. had no authority other foreign airlines to or from. >> what effect could this have on foreign carriers? will they start to reassess?
>> they will have to. the faa has done this. euro control, which are equivalent numbers in europe, will have to look at it, make a decision one way or the other. ba says it is continuing to fly. lufthansa told me they're having meetings. but now the faa has made this decision. everybody else is going to have to take a position. >> el al continues to fly to israel, obviously. i want to bring in our john voss. he joins me on the phone. you were actually on the flight that was diverted. what did they actually say? how did they announce it? >> yes, anderson, we were about an hour outside of tel aviv and the pilot came on the announcement system and basically said just what richard told you just then, that a rocket had fallen about a mile outside of ben guerin airport and out of an abundance of caution they had decided to reroute the plane, and they're heading back to paris. initially we weren't giving a lot of information about what
was going on and, you know, what would be happening, but initially we were told, you know, it would be a brief stay in paris and they would reassess the flight out, security window, and then after that, head back maybe to tel aviv depending on the security situation. now we're being told that, as richard says, delta and the u.s.-based carriers are not flying to israel. air france i'm told not flying there as well. what we're being told now is the airport had ben guerin has actually been closed to all traffic. we're still working to confirm that. he said he counted at least 12 planes still on approach, still coming in to land at ben guerin. they may have been on final approach and once they're down the airport may close. but we're still waiting to get confirmation of that. we are being told right now that the israelis have actually closed the airport to all traffic, anderson. >> john, let me just ask, again, we're showing pictures you took of people getting off the
aircraft in paris. you said that air france isn't flying. would told you that? is that what you heard from delta representatives? >> yes, eye ti tried to rebook ticket, try to jump another flight to get there. the very friendly cabinet person said we'd love to help you out but we're not flying there. i asked her how long and she said she didn't know. >> interesting. delta hasn't given you any sense -- because the faa which is now saying no u.s. carriers can fly. they're putting a 24-hour wind yes on this. delta hasn't said anything beyond that, obviously. >> not at all. kind of abandoned delta to air france at this point. there's not a lot of delta people around to give us any direction. >> have you approached el al? >> probably went that route as well because i was under the impression el al was still flying in there.
but if the airport's closed, obviously el al, that decision is taken out of their hands. bit iffy now. it will depend on what israel decides to do with the airport. >> weem n should point out, we' not been able to confirm that. >> el al says it's still flying. but to give you an idea how complex this is, european low cast carrier called whiz air, which is a low cost carrier, they fly from warsaw, tel aviv, prague, budapest, bucharest. now, we're waiting to hear from them, if they're going to continue flying. it just shows you what's happening is exceptionally complex. now that the u.s. carriers and the u.s. regulator has decided to put a hold on tel aviv. the ripples are now moving across the aviation industry. >> do you follow whiz air on twitter, how did you hear about whiz air? >> i know they have a lot of flights through tel aviv. >> this is what you do. >> it's what i get paid to do.
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heard? >> i'm just heard lufthansa group, which includes lufthansa, swiss, are now suspend iing all flights to tel aviv for the next 36 hours. they decided to suspend flights for 36 hours. and from vienna. so now, it gets interesting. >> now it's all u.s. carriers because the faa has stopped all u.s. carriers for the next 24 hours. now lufthansa as well. >> the big one, besides lufthansa, you're now waiting to hear from air france, which is the other big carrier, whiz air, which is the low caost carrier, and ang, which owns british airways. >> john vause reporting, because he was on the flight that was
diverted. went to an air france representative who said they are not flying in. >> my best hunch is now lufthansa has taken this decision. it's very difficult for the other major carriers to continue to fly in the european carriers. we'll have to wait and see. we'll find out in the next hour -- >> the impact of this, beyond the economic impact, just psychologically, i mean, it's a real blow to israel. >> there's no question. in many ways, you know, this is the difficult situation israel now faces. there probably was no realistic risk against those aircraft. but the mere perception has now led to a risk and of course the airlines have to respond even more so after mh-17. what re have is the most complex and convoluted aviation environments. >> as far as we know, el al
still flying. >> think what you might find is israel wants to be seen to be proactive in this and not being responsive to this. let's wait and see over the next couple of hours. certainly, the fact lufthansa group has suspended for 36 takes it further along. >> richard quest, appreciate the update. family members of the victims of malaysian airline flight 17 obviously waiting for their loved ones to return home. we now know their loved ones, their bodies are in kharkiv. 282 bodies handed over, along with 87 other remains. separate body parts in separate bags. the first flight to the netherlands may take off as early as tomorrow. but even when it gets there, the dutch prime minister says identification could take weeks or even months. i'm joined now by dr. jan,
dr. g, as many people call her. how do you pronounce your last name, i'm sorry? >> garvali. >> which is why many people reference you as dr. g. live from orlando. chief medical examiner for the orlando area. you may recognize her from her show on the health channel. how difficult is it to identify the victims from this flight, given what we know about the conditions at the crash flight, how long they were there, how long this whole process has been. >> right. so the very -- the one rule about identification is the quicker you get on it, the better. because visual identification is going to be the easiest and quickest. as long as you can complement that with other factors you find with the body to make sure it's a correct visual. obviously, that's gone, that time period has passed. you spend three days, four days, out in 80 degree weather, you are starting to bloat, skin
slip. it's not something you can do anymore with visual identification. >> which is now family members, we're told, have already started to give dna samples to authorities in the netherlands. is there a lot that investigators -- i don't want to get into, you know, too much detail here. for a lot of people who may be watching. but is there a lot that investigators can actually learn about what happened on board that plane from the victims themselves? >> right. not only do they need to be o h identified, they should be autop autopsied. you have a flight manifest. you should know where roughly these people are seated. and the injuries that they have may help you pinpoint where the -- most of the shrapnel were
coming from. >> you can also tell -- people have smoke in their lungs, smoke inhalation, how long the aircraft might have been flying for, correct? >> you could. chances are if it's an explosion on board, if there's a secondary fire, i think what you would be able to tell is if there is evidence that they were alive for a while with the fire on board. >> and the process we're talking about for identification, i mean, that's the most important thing for the families getting their loved ones back. are we talking weeks, are we talking months? >> yeah, it depends. because we do have a flight manifest. it's not like you're starting from zero that you don't even know who these people are. at this point, i'm sure authorities are gathering any known fingerprints that these people may have on file. very few people do. they're gathering any dental records. that's why the authorities are having to go to the families. ultimately, the one that's going to take the longest and is
usually not the first line will be the dna. but keep in mind, you have to compare the person's dna to something. keep in mind they're now decomposed. it's going to be difficult to get their blood. you're going to have to use other items. and you're going to have to either compare -- >> i've just got to wrap up. we're losing your satellite. dr. jen garvali, appreciate it. thanks very much for watching. we'll be back at 8:00 tonight for a special two-hour edition of "anderson cooper 360." wolf from jerusalem starts now. right now, the faa bans u.s. planes from flying into or out of israel after a rocket attack near the country's main airport. israel says this move is an overreaction and, quote, gives a prize to terror. also right now, stop fighting, start talking. that's the message from the u.n. secretary-general to the israelis and palestinians. the u.s. secretary of state john kerry is expte