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release the name of the officer who gunned down an unarmed teenager or details of the investigation. protesters push. his parents plead. still no answers. why? painful new details this morning about the circumstances surrounding robin williams' suicide and recent battle with severe depression that he fought and lost. good morning, everyone, i'm john berman. >> we're midway through the week. i'm michaela pereira. those stories and much more ahead at this hour. >> we're going to go back to iraq. >> u.s. official say 130 more u.s. marines and special operations forces will bolster the already hundreds there advising iraqi troops in their fight against isis militants. we're learning this morning those new troops could assist from the ground in an air evacuation of the thousands of
iraqi minorities trapped on mt. sinjar. officials insist that any ground support would have a humanitarian focus not a combat focus. >> the latest development comes as u.s. military planes drop food and water to yazidis. >> meanwhile a series of deadly bombings torn through baghdad, kig at least 27 people. all of this as iraqi prime minister al-maliki digs in and lashes out as what he's calling a conspiracy to replace him. >> we have iraq coverage from all the angles. >> barbara is reporting from the pentagon and anna coren will
also join us. the most urgent bit of news we have coming from iraq is the word from the pentagon that it is considering an air evacuation of the yazidis from that mountain top where they have been sheltering. it's april operation that seems that could involve a ground component as well and put u.s. troops face-to-face with isis. >> we'll turn to barbara starr at the pentagon. this would be quite a mission. what would it entail? >> a lot of moving parts here. let's try and sort things out a bit. what the pentagon is doing is sending these 130 additional forces to erbil in northern iraq to look at the options, to assess what are the evacuation options, ground or air. they could transport these thousands of people out over ground or take them out by air. it is looking at the moment like there's a bit of focus on the air option right now. they could land aircraft on top of that mountain, helicopters,
get a lot of people moving out if they could establish an around the clock air bridge if you will, but this is just an idea at the moment. what these 130 troops are doing is looking at all of this and saying what works, what would work, what would we need to do, what forces would we need, what aircraft would we need? where would at the take these people? this would be whichever way you cut it -- this would be a massive under taking, and it looks like no matter which way you cut it it would involve sending additional u.s. forces to iraq. if you are going to send aircraft, you send crews, you send the security personnel to protect the aircraft. if you are going to do it by ground, you have to have people to protect the ground convoys. you are going to have to put troops on that mountain top for security when they begin to either load people on to aircraft or get them off the mountain. any way you look at it, this is
not going to end any time soon. i want to add very quickly officials telling us they have no timeline to deliver an 0 option to the pentagon or the white house for this, but these people on that mountain certainly getting desperate. >> no timeline, obviously, there has to be some sense of urgency because you get the sense that time is running out for many of them on that mountain top. >> you met. that's, you know the no timeline is of course the official answer. behind the scenes, they are working pretty frantically to figure out what they can do and what is reasonable and they know that there is a huge political sensitivity in the united states to all of this because these troops that are going or that would go in addition to who is already there certainly are boots on the ground. the u.s. has ruled out combat operations, but make no mistake there will be u.s. boots on the ground there. >> and very much in harm's way. barbara you also point out the president will have to ra prove whatever they decide to do here
but that could be coming within days. i want to bring in a former u.n. and state department official and also with us rick francona. >> rick, because of that, colonel, let's start with you, so you hear the operations laid out from what we know by barbara. we talk about the fact that this is a massive under taking. it's very well going to put u.s. forces potentially face-to-face with isis forces. is this going to work? how would it look? >> no matter how you do it, ground or air, you are going to have to put a u.s. presence on top of that mountain, to just marshall the people in whatever convoy or put them on whatever helicopters. if you are going to bring in massive amounts of helicopters, we're talking thousands of people, if you use the big army helicopter that carries 65 people, how many sorties are you going to have to make?
you are going to have secure a point on that mountain. you are going to put people up there not rush the helicopters. you need to keep them back for the safety of the crew, the aircraft. you got all these people up there, you are going to have to secure them. if you have to air bridge, where are they going to fly? they are going to fly in the threat envelope. this is going to be a very difficult, massive, and dangerous operation, and this fiction that american troops are not going to be in a combat role is fiction. >> this is a classic definition of mission creep. speaking of classic, this is an age old conundrum facing diplomats and defense officials and administration right now, when do you stage a military intervention in order to stop a humanitarian crisis? what are the considerations they are facing right now and what should the timeline be? >> well, let's keep in mind the
kurdistan region is really facing two crises right now. one is the humanitarian crisis caused by the genocide campaign of isis. isis hasn't been shy about that. they want to wipe out this religious minority, the yazidis from iraq, and that's why they have fled to this mountain. that needs to be addressed. the u.s. is beginning to address that. the second crisis, of course, is that isis is attacking the kurdistan region and the kurdish peshmerga forces positions. the u.s. has helped a little bit by protecting erbil and doing air strikes and those have made a significant difference, but probably more is needed there to make sure isis eases up. both are tough questions. we see the u.s. is starting to get more involved. it's really a welcome development here in the kurdistan region. people of kurdistan are really looking for help from the u.s. pleading for help from the u.s., and the u.s. is beginning to provide it. >> colonel, i'll turn to you and pick up from his point. it's not just a rag-tag bunch of
militants. this is a group that has strategy, they are organized, and they are brutal. how do our forces come up against that and how do they attack? >> the issue is what are we doing? we're supporting this humanitarian mission as dave said but we're also trying to defend erbil by hitting that front line of isis as they move closer and closer to the city, we're trying to push them back. the problem is we're not striking at the heart of isis. we're not -- we're treating the symptoms which are the front line there and the humanitarian effort but we're not going after the disease itself, isis. at some point, we're going to have to address isis. if we just let them have free reign in the north, which is what's happening right now, they will grow in strength and they will present a bigger problem later on. >> what i feel i'm hearing from you both is more and more is needed and the question is simply at this point inevitable? >> well, what the colonel points
out is that isis goes after the most vulnerable areas that it can find. first, it attacked south. it found baghdad probably impossible to get. it's now gone back north to attacking the peshmerga forces. it's not going to go away. so more is needed and i think one of the key points is that we can either fight isis now or fight them later, and they are going to only get stronger by taking more territory, having control of more cities, using that to gain revenue and to recruit military-age males. so it's fight them now or fight them later. we might as well fight them before they are strong. >> you make a good point there. it is a tough conversation to be having when you see the humanitarian aid that is required, the desperation on the hillside there, in sinjar. thank you very much. >> both these guys say this is going to happen. on the verge of happen. >> that's what i came with in
that conversation, absolutely. >> desperate iraqis, they are running for their lives. we've seen the pictures. running for safety. you are looking at live pictures now at one of the places they are going to seek shelter, to seek safety. we'll take you to the ground there and talk to some of these people running for their lives. ♪ [music] defiance is in our bones. defiance never grows old. citracal maximum. easily absorbed calcium plus d. beauty is bone deep. lactaid® is 100% real milk? right. real milk. but it won't cause me discomfort. exactly, because it's milk without the lactose. and it tastes? it's real milk! come on, would i lie about this? [ female announcer ] lactaid. 100% real milk. no discomfort.
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rescuing them not easy. yesterday, an iraqi helicopter crashed while trying to save some of the people there. the pilot seen here in file video was killed. among the survivors "the new york times" journalist, the only yazidi member of the iraqi parliament. right now, some kind of pilot error was cause the crash of the it is risky to save these people, and there are ten to twenty thousand of them on top of that. >> where do they go after that? where are they headed to? we're at a united nations camp where an estimated 70,000 refugees have sought safe haven. she joins us now. anna, i'm curious what you are seeing and hearing, what is it like with those people where you are. >> reporter: well, michaela, we've been on the ground with these refugees for the last few
hours. they are absolutely desperate. they have been to hell and back. many of them have lost relatives, they have lost them on mt. sinjar or massacred by isis militants. i want to show you behind me is where these tents are being erected. a couple of hours ago, there was just a handful, now there are over 100 and the bulldozers and the graders are making more space for the hundreds of more tents to be erected over the coming days. 70,000 refugees have come here in the past few days. that's according to the governor who is overseeing this operation. there are refugee camps scattered around and this is one of them, but as he says, you know, we weren't expecting this. we are not prepared. where is is the international
community to help? he really singled out the united nations, in fact. saying that the u.n. was failing the yazidis because, you know, they are a persecuted religious ethnic minority who have been going through this humanitarian crisis now for days and it's only now that we're seeing signs of the international community coming to help. but certainly for the people here, they held a protest a few hours ago, holding up signs and saying save us from ex-termination from isis. give us asylum in the u.s., in europe. they don't feel safe here in iraq anymore and they are appealing to the international community to help. >> anna, it's been called a biblical scale migration, this huge migration of people. thousands and thousands going to safety. i'm curious, what's next for them? do they anticipate being able to
go home into this area right now that's controlled by isis and what's their reaction to the arrival of u.s. troops? >> well, as far as going home to sinjar most of these people say that is never going to happen many they are convinced that isis will stay there unless the u.s. intervenes and saves them. that is really the feeling. they don't believe that the peshmerga can do the job of fighting the isis militants. yes, the kurdish forces are holding them, keeping them at bay, if you like, at the moment, but as we know, they are well resourced. they have u.s. weapons. they are adaptable. these are militants who will do whatever it takes. we've seen the atrocities that they have committed and these people believe that if they return to their homes in sinjar that they will face genocide. as for the u.s. coming to assist, they welcome that, but you know what, john, they don't
want to stay here anymore. they don't feel safe. they have part of a sect that belongs to some 500,000 people around the world. that is how small. they feel they are ostracized and alienated and don't belong in iraq anymore. they are asking for asylum. >> hoping the u.n. will address this growing humanitarian situation, when you talk about the fact that people need to be evacuated from mt. sinjar. where are these people going to go? i know a lot of people at home are moved by what they are seeing, wondering how they can help. you can visit p cnn.com/impact, there will be ways for you to help. >> ahead for us, protesters demanding to know the name of the officer who shot and killed an unarmed teenager in missouri,
more questions than answers fueling more anger and violence in a st. louis suburb where an unarmed teenager was gunned down by police. it has now been four days since michael brown was killed and four nights of protests that have spiraled into clashes with police. >> outraged protesters accuse the ferguson, missouri, police
department of not being transparent. they won't say how many times michael brown was shot, and police haven't interviewed an eyewitness to that shooting. >> we are learning that the police chief is revealing some details about the officer involved in this shooting. what is he saying? >> reporter: right. we don't know who this officer is, who was involved in this shooting, but and in a phone call with one of our affiliates here, police chief, tom jackson, told this reporter apparently that the officer involved in this shooting does have signs of a physical altercation. that he reportedly had been hit in the face and that there was some evidence of swollenness on his face. we don't know any more detail than that. this is a phone call that we're told was not recorded but again was between the police chief on record with this other reporter. the police chief, i had a chance
to speak to him last night, has said that the officer involved has been interviewed now by investigators and that he is horrified by what happened and what has happened since the incident in terms of the community outrage that we're seeing. the police chief telling me nobody goes to work and wants to kill somebody and knows wants -- nobody wants to come home at the end of day knowing they have kill someone. there is still a strong call here for action, for police to be more transparent in their investigation, and for them to release the name. now, one reason they haven't released the name is not only for fear of the officer's safety we're told but the prosecutor says because they don't release the name until somebody is formally charged. they wanted to make sure she do this investigation right. they want to dot those i's, kroes those t's. there are multiple agencies investigating. we don't want to give out information we think we know. we want to tell what we do know.
we know they are investigating witnesses from this scene. they are reviewing video that people may have taken at the scene, and they are still waiting for those toxicology results. so there are a lot of things in play as this investigation continues, michaela and john. >> a lot of things in play. people do point to this lack of transparency, however they may justify it, as increasing the frustration there on the ground, and i understand the faa has banned flights below 3,000 feet. what's going on with that? >> it all has to do with the violence we've seen over the past four days. the protests getting unrulely here in ferguson. we know there were two shootings last night within the community. the protests last night were broken up by tear gas. police had to come in and disperse the crowd. they say after somebody threw bottles at the police. there's a sense the situation is not under control and we have heard reports that people in days past protesting had fired
shots in the air. the faa banned flights until monday. >> chief of police needs to address -- if you ask the community members, he needs to address some of the questions they have, the investigation needs to continue, but the parents of michael brown have urged calm as many voices saying that is the thing that needs to prevail right now. anna ka bear ra thank for bringing us up to day on that. >> the death of michael brown raising questions about young black men being targeted by police. we'll have that discussion ahead. let me get this straight... [ female voice ] yes? lactaid® is 100% real milk? right. real milk. but it won't cause me discomfort. exactly, because it's milk without the lactose. and it tastes? it's real milk! come on, would i lie about this? [ female announcer ] lactaid. 100% real milk. no discomfort.
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it's supposed to be the people that protect us, and keep us safe. but these actions and all these gestures that they do is making it hard for us. it's like who do we turn to if the ones protecting us are hurting us with who do we turn to? >> why should i be afraid to walk down the street and get discriminated because the color i am or the way i dress or the way i look. >> discussion and reaction there to the police shooting of an unarmed teenager michael brown in missouri. that incident sparked anger not only in the st. louis suburb where he died, but all across america. >> president obama called brown's death heart breaking. the circumstances of the shooting are unclear, although we should say we did information from ferguson there are reports that the police officer involved was struck somehow in the face. that in and of itself would only
explain part of what went on there. nevertheless, it has started a conversation. parents of black children nationwide say one thing is clear, they think that their children are being profiled, in some cases, even targeted they say by police. >> i'm going to turn to stephanie elam in los angeles. you've had some interesting conversations and great reporting for us. and i want to address this conversation that many african-american parents have had with their sons and often time their daughters. these written or unwritten rules for raising black boys. >> yeah. and it's a conversation, i talk to so many people across the country, john, and michaela, about this very issue and everyone agrees that no one has told them how to have this conversation with their kids, but all of them are having them with their children, especially their sons. everyone i talked to also agreed it's more important to their sons to understand the codes of contact on the streets. i want to introduce you to kely
novem -- knox, she's still very worried about her son who is 26 years old. he has some basic rules that he has to follow on the streets and listen to what he has to say about his mom's concern for him. >> i've always said to him, always be still. especially when he's in a vehicle. keep your hands on the steering wheel. do not make any moves until he tells you to make the move. i mean, these are, you know, like almost as if he's in the military and i got to tell him this is what you have to do because i don't want anything to be misconstrued that he's doing something wrong that i could lose him. >> especially when you are with -- dealing with police, you know, you can't act off emotions. sometimes they will say things to kind of provoke you, and you just have to bite the bullet and not say anything and just -- you swallow your pride and let them go on about their day. >> and now, it's important to
note here that joseph told me that at first he was reluctant to talk to me but he decided he should, he's a young man, he's a college graduate and he's still face ds these same sort of things. the overwhelming message for these people it doesn't matter how wealthy you are, it doesn't matter where you live, your education level, it doesn't matter if you are light skinned or black skinned. if you are a black person, these parents are saying you have to warn your sons about this because they could be perceived for their skin color before they will be perceived for their content and their character. >> it was interesting to hear him talk about that. almost -- not accepting of the situation, but my gosh, it's a -- >> it's a reality for him. >> how frustrating and i'm asking to both of you for young black men that they have to live differently, behavior differently than i would have to behave in a similar situation. >> well, you know, i wonder john, before you heard this story, did you even think about having a conversation with this with any young men that you care
about? >> no, no. >> no. and that's the message i have gotten consistently from the white folks that i've talked to. good friends of mine, people that are very close to me, people i don't know have all said the same thing, when they have talked to them, they have not had to have this conversation. it's a conversation i'm very aware of. i have a four-year-old daughter. i have three older brothers, i've seen it with my own eyes, in the town we live, there were about three black families and they knew where we lived. i'll just put it to you that way. and that -- that sort of dialogue happens all the time. so if you want to raise black boys to become black men that are responsible members of society, these families are saying you have to address the fact that when you are first seen, people may perceive you to be one thing that you are not, so therefore act accordingly so as to disarm the situation. >> look, it's interesting, we know what happened after after trayvon and just the idea of a hoodie, a lot of people took that on as a symbol of standing
with trayvon and his family, we had this conversation, we've been having this conversation for a long time, stephanie, but here we are back again and i think it gives so many families, black and brown families and latino families cause to sit down and look at their sons and say we need to have this real conversation now. i know it seems a little off putting, it shouldn't be a reality to face, but it is. >> the question is how much do you walk the line or how much do you work to change the lines? >> you have to do simultaneously. safety has to be first though which is what i bet a lot of families would tell you. >> keep in mind, this conversation is not new in light of trayvon. this is a conversation black people have been having with the ages. this has been going on. i talk to dr. steve perry who is a principal and he founded a magnet school in connecticut, he said if you are not having a conversation with your black boys, you are failing them, this
will hurt them when they go out in the world. it is a necessary part of this dialogue to know that. i talked to another person in d.c., she found out she was pregnant with her son, she got a pit in her stomach, she was already fearing for his life. the idea that something could happen to them is real for a lot of black people being even if they grow up wealthy and well educated, it's the same thing, you are still perceived for your skin color. that's why they make it clear keep your hands, keep your music low. swallow your pride. just get out of there alive and the reason that, you know, white parents would have to say that, they say that is just a foreign idea, they don't think white parents do the same thing. >> that shows you disconnect. stay right there, stephanie. we're taking a short break. we're taking a short break. we'll be right back.
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really interesting conversation we're having with stephanie elam. let's bring her back from los angeles. this ongoing conversation we're having about these uncalled rules for black sons. for some communities it's more overt. >> stephanie, i'm getting a lot of reaction on the at which timers. someone who tweeted me said i'm white, i'm 53 years old. my mother didn't have to say anything. i grew up knowing i had to respect police. i think this is more than just respecting police is what you are talking about. >> there's a difference here. let me point out, with the case of trayvon martin, that was not a police officer. with the case of renisha mcbride, that was not a police officer. it's not always about police here. it's about the perception from
society as a whole and we have to be clear about that. the other thing these families were very clear about is they do not believe all police officers are bad or corrupt or that, there can't be one to come to their aid if necessary. the couldn't -- the conflict that's inside the young 15-year-old is how do i know if you are telling me i need to be mindful, how do i discern when i'm supposed to do this? you get that for a teenager here. the difference between respect and knowing that you are approached differently are two different things, john. i see people saying that we're convicting the cop already. that is actually not the point of this discussion. the point of this discussion is to understand that for black boys and young black men the way that they are perceived as one teacher i talked to d.c. said, if you understand that people perceive you with fear first and you internalize that into your character, then you should carry yourself in a different way. understand that this is how you are perceived and so that way
you can stay safe and come home to your parents. that's the discussion. >> stephanie, a big conversation for us to have. we needed to have it at this hour. we appreciate you staying with us. thank you so much. great reporting. we have some big news going on this hour as well. the pentagon considering an air evacuation of those iraqi minorities, the yazidis trapped on the mountain in iraq. when we come back, we'll have a white house briefing from the president's vacation in martha's vineyard. stay with us. during the cadillac summer's best event, lease this 2014 ats for around $299 a month and make this the summer of style.
we're standing by for a white house briefing, martha's vineyard version. from the island off the coast of massachusetts, where the president is vacationing. 130 more u.s. troops headed to northern iraq right now to help aid in the growing humanitarian crisis there. >> they are going to eevaluate the possibility of evacuating by air the thousands of yazidis fleeing isis militants. we've heard estimates of 20 to 30,000 yazidis are on that mountain top. that's going to be a sizeable operation to rescue them. that would put the troops on the ground in harm's way obviously. we're going to listen to the briefing and bring you any news. >> any air evacuation would require a ground component. this is a big change in the u.s. mission there.
first more news we're following, there's more information coming to light about the death of robin williams. in painful detail we're learning how the entertainer hanged himself in his northern california home. we now know he was also trying to get help for his depression. >> tonight, broadway is going to dim the lights for robin williams. >> we did get these grim details about robin williams' death. there is some criticism about the sheriff's office, i suppose, being so open about what happened and robin williams' daughter leaving twitter over the reaction the whole thing. >> lots of people have voiced their frustration about the amount of information that the sheriff's office gave yesterday. i think some of that has to do with the fact that the details came out so soon, john. we're talking one day after
robin williams died and here you had authorities come out and basically lay everything bare for the public to see. i think if there was some time in between, perhaps the reaction would not have been so sharp. as for robin williams' daughter she was frustrated by people posting fake pictures of her father's dead body. you can understand this is a very emotionally fragile young woman and she's being subjected to seeing some of these terrible images on line. people also saying insenten insentencetive -- insensitive things. >> obviously she needs to find comfort from family and loved ones and not necessarily from the twitter sphere. let's bring in dr. lyles. let's show this tweet that was sent out by the academy of
motion pictures. essentially, it shows the character that robin williams played in the movie in aladdin. it's a picture of the genie saying you are free. there are voices are very concerned about this image saying, wait, wait, this is making it look like suicide is an option and it somehow glorifies suicide and it's a dangerous message. >> i think it is a dangerous message. i saw it as well, and i had to study for a moment and i tried to look at every angle i could to see what would be the messaging behind it and i tend to agree what you just said. i think it invites it for others. especially for teens and military personnel. one an hour in the military takes their live every single day. we need to be having a conversation about it, but not gloifg, but glorifying what life has to
offer, and that's the key. >> especially interesting about this, is that robin williams did get treatment recently for depression. this was not a man hiding anything. the stigma of depression is not what killed him here. he was willing to talk about it and get treatment for it. even then it wasn't enough. so do we know enough about how to treat depression? do we need to know more? >> i think we constantly have to be learning. because it's such a dark imagery of the internal system of our mind and even our physiology and there's multiple ways to treat it. i think if someone's reaching out, i think they need even that much more accountability around them. that people stay in touch with them that are very close with them. i was always concerned with robin. he was always in character, it seems, even when he was doing interviews. he was always in character. i never really saw robin the man. i didn't know hip personally.
that to me is a flag with people. when we see people that are just going through life and it looks like everything's great, don't automatically assume that's the way it is. have a conversation. ask how you're doing. ask what's going on in your life. because people just need and want to be heard. and if they don't, they end up in a dark space that something terrible can happen like what happened with him. >> i suppose that's a slippery slope when you're talking about performers because they're always on. i mean, at home, they're not. and we don't and we shouldn't have access to their home life when they're off, you know, off camera and out of sight and having private moments. i want to ask you about this. i think we have often thought that the most susceptible to suicide attempts were sort of the young. he was 63. he had battled these demons for a long time. we shouldn't limit this to age, should we? >> no, absolutely not. because age now is just that number. it doesn't really matter. i think what tends to happen, we just see a higher rate in
suicide and teenagers because of that development age, chemicals are racing and changing. and the identity of friends are more important than anybody in the world. if you lose a friend because of an argument, now your life is over. i've been through this with my own. it's challenging. but the point is age is not the issue here. the issue is depression. and it's dark and it's heavy and it needs accountability. what i mean by that it needs people to walk along beside them who love and care and who will continue to reach out. not that robin's family didn't care, but i think you just have to go over the top. when you know someone is struggling, you've really got to stay on top of it and be there for them, no matter what's going on in your life, even to the point of inconvenience, because that moment of life and death is a fine line that can end itself in the wrong thought process. >> sadly, the investigators say it appeared to them as if it was perhaps wasn't planned extensively by robin williams. you make a great point there. doctor, great to have you.
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oh, the voice. the look. >> i know, go ahead, have a moment. i'm with you on this. >> the talent. incredible talent. this morning, we are remembering hollywood legend lauren bacall wh who passed away tuesday. what a classic that is. and she stole the scene and my heart not to mention others here. >> you know how to whistle, don't you, steve? you just put your lips together and blow. >> i mean, right, right. >> i literally wish you could be in the studio during john berman during that scene. his knees knocked together. you melt literally. before becoming an overnight sensation, bacall was a model. the leading man, humphrey
bogart, would later become the love of her life. they married a year later. >> joining us is the professor of television and pop culture at syracuse university. professor. >> he looks smitten, too, look at his face. >> you can't not be. the look is in quotation marks. it's not just the look, it's the look. really, she represents more than a look, professor. she's in a way one of our last connections to this golden age. >> that's absolutely right. i mean, first of all, that is arguably the sexiest scene in all of american cinema. or pretty close to it. and you never see any flesh. and nobody ever swears. but that whole bit about putting your lips together and blowing just sounds so dirty, even though it's not. and there were other lines there as well. but you're right, this is -- she really represented the golden age of hollywood in its most 24
carat glory. her very story, she's 18 years old and on the cover of "harbor's bazaar." and then the great director sees it through his wife and beckons her out to hollywood and before you know it she's doing that scene. and then becoming one of the great love stories with her co-star who she stayed with and loved until he died of cancer in 1957. >> important to point out, she was only in her 30s when he passed away. >> 32. >> she had so much of her life ahead. can you speak about the look, she had sultry bedroom eyes. but it was born out of a case of the nerves. >> yeah, apparently she was all nervous in a scene and she was to light a cigarette and she put her head down to her chest and she looked up with her eyes and suddenly a look was born with a capital "l" but of course it
wasn't just an accident. she was created. hawks worked with her to make her voice lower. that whole kind of smoky atmosphere that she kind of came out of. when you think of 1940s hollywood, you think of lauren bacall and humphrey bogart first i think. >> they were the first couple of the rat pack in some ways also. let's just finish up about their relationship because it is a love affair for the ages. not traditional in many ways. he was 25 years older. his fourth marriage. >> yes, it was his fourth marriage. she was only a teenager when they first met almost -- he was almost twice as old. i mean, we raised our eyebrows at this relationship today. and bogart was still married. troubled marriage, but he was still married at the time. so it was very unconventional. >> what a life. robert thompson, professor, thank you so much for recalling this tremendous career and woman with us today.
we appreciate it. >> thanks. >> and i guess that wraps it up for us at this hour. are you going to whistle your way out? >> you bet, man. thanks so much for joining us. i'm john berman. >> and i'm michaela pereira. "legal view" starts now. iraq's humanitarian crisis getting worse by the minute. the united states now considering a massive air evacuation to rescue the refugees trapped on mt. sinjar. does that mean more american boots open the ground? what about the thousands of other iraqis young and old who fled the mountain on foot, many without food, water or even shoes. some of them died just trying to make the journey. and they could all end up slaughtered if they try to