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to go the distance with you. call now to request your free decision guide. ♪ it is already 5:00 on a saturday morning. and we are so grateful for your company. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell live in ferguson, missouri. this is a special edition of "new day saturday." and we welcome our viewers from around the world. >> as well, of course, right here in the united states. and at this hour, the u.s. is gathering some intelligence on the location of isis leadership in syria for use of possible air
strikes in that country. take a look at this map we made for you here. isis has gained control of large swaths of syria, as you can see, with a corridor leading into and through northwestern iraq. we're going to have much more from our teams in washington, as well as overseas coming up. but first, we do want to take you to victor in ferguson there to let us know what's happening. victor, good morning. >> good morning, christi. here in ferguson, another quiet night but tensions over the killing of unarmed teenager michael brown remain in this community. the tear gas replaced by sense of calm in the community. >> there were no molotov cocktails tonight. no fires, no shootings. and we did not see a single handgun. again tonight, we deployed no smoke devices, no tear gas and no mace. and again tonight, no police officer fired a single bullet.
>> and today in a sign of solidarity with the people of ferguson. multiple rallies are expected to take place, including one in washington. and supporters of darren wilson, the officer who shot brown, they are not staying silent either. they're expected to gather in ferguson later today. now, all of this is really a crimina criminal grim reminder at the center of this is a family that is grieving. brown's funeral is scheduled for monday, the same day that ferguson students are scheduled to return to school. meanwhile, a st. louis liver is in trouble. this is dan page, he is the officer who pushed back a lot of protests including cnn's don lemon. this morning, page, a 35-year veteran of the force. he's on administrative leave, a
video surfaced about him making inflammatory comments about women and muslim among others, president obama and gays as well. take a listen. >> now this here, i had my own airplane, i had my leerjet, i'm going to find where the illegal aliens are. are presently looks like. i flew to africa, and i went to our undocumented -- he was born in kenya. >> well, that county police chief rather here in st. louis has apologized for page's actions and calls the video bizarre. cnn has placed several phone calls for what is believed to be page's home number for comment on the video but we've not received response. of course, we'll have more on the explosive video. but for now, we need to be reminded that here in ferguson, although the streets are quiet.
a lot of people are outraged with the local police force. christi, we're going to continue to follow what's happening here and that funeral coming. back to you. victor, miss nut studio, but i know you're doing important work out there. thank you so much. the other big story, of course week following is the battle to stop isis. here's what we know this hour. cnn forces confirm the u.s. is considering possible air strikes outside of syria, targeting the terror group. the map that you see shows areas in red controlled by isis in syria, as well as neighboring iraq. cnn sources say intel on leaders and troop concentrations in syria is being gathered as president obama raises options here. now the pentagon says it will do what is necessary for it to do to protect americans and see justice is done. this is after the brutal beheading of journal any of the james foley in syria. the white house is calling the
killing by isis jihadists a terror attack. and now isis is threatening to kill another journalist, steven sotloff. and now inside of iraqi to support kurdish forces and protect militants we want to go to cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr on whether u.s. warplanes will indeed take aim at targets in syria, barbara. >> christi, day by day, the pentagon appears to be edging closer to air strikes inside syria. >> reporter: u.s. officials tell cnn there are longstanding and ongoing talks inside the administration about increasing air strikes in iraq, and even the possibility of tailored air strikes inside syria against specific isis targets. but officials stress, no decisions have been made by the white house. >> we're active considering
what's going to be necessary to deal with that threat. and we're not going to be restricted by borders. >> reporter: and the pentagon is divulging nothing. >> we don't telegraph our punches. i think you can rest assured that the leadership here in the pentagon understands the threat posed by this group. >> reporter: talk of military options stirred up by this comment by defense secretary chuck hagel about the threat of isis and its ranks of 10,000 fighters. >> well, this is beyond anything that we've seen so we must prepare for everything. and the only way you do that is you take a cool steely hard look at it. and get ready. >> reporter: officials are taking pains to emphasize that any military action would only be part of a long term strategy against isis involving diplomacy, and action from other countries in the region. the military is insisting air
strikes alone will not be enough to defeat isis, but it is not ruling it out. christi. >> barbara, thank you. let's go to dr. kingston. and also joined by andrew tabler, the author of "in the lion's den." gentlemen, we appreciate you both being with us. thank you, mr. tabler, from paris. peter, i want to start with, first. when you look at the video of foley's execution, do you identify any clues that could help determine not just who the executioner is, obviously, but where this murder took place? >> yes, i think -- i'm very confident that it was probably being carried out in or near raqqa in syria which is one of the strongholds of isis.
they always hold them in the strongest areas. raqqa is also where a lot of foreign fighters are based. it matches the vegetation in raqqa, so i'm pretty confident it was carried out there. >> i want to ask you, andrew, about the possibility of going into syria. can this destruction of isis, as some people say, bob bair said we have to decapitate isis. can that be done without going into syria? >> it's hard. one of the effects of not supporting the opposition inside of syria at any kievgs you know, concerted way, there has been a secret program is that we lack really good intelligence. that doesn't mean that we lack intelligence completely. but that's one of the problems with the policy of the last few years that if we can't get enough information out in a chaotic situation that isis took
advantage of, i would suspect that's changed radically within the last few weeks agency the isis outbreak has spread into iraq and, of course, with the execution of james foley. >> british counterterrorism police are studying that video by the way, they're doing it frame by frame to determine who the executioner is. let me release a statement. we would like to remind the public that viewing, downloading or disseminating extremist material with the uk may constitute an offense under terrorism legislation. so in the uk, you could face terrorism charges just for downloading this video. is that right, peter? >> yes, that's true. and people have been convicted on the basis of those charges. both possession and dissemination of so-called terrorist materials is illegal in the uk. >> okay. in that regard, how hard is it to knock out isis on social media? >> well, the problem is that
isis is not communicating centrally. it is communicating centrally, but there's a lot else going on. there are literally hundreds of people who have forward and repost and redisseminate, once they are posted the videos. and literally one hour after a video like that it will be on 500, maybe 1,000 locations on the internet. it becomes very difficult to prosecute everyone who's been involved. and it becomes very difficult to take it down from the internet. in a sense, isis is using social media in a very grassroots driven way. >> let's take a listen to something that defense secretary chuck hagel said this week about the threat of isis. >> isil is a sophisticated and well-funded as any group that we have seen. they're beyond just a terrorist group. they marry ideology, a
sophistication of strategic and tactical military prowess. they are tremendously well-funded. oh, this is beyond anything that we've seen. >> i mean, it's frightening to hear it, andrew. is the u.s., however, going to have to team up with bashar al assad in syria? is that even possible? >> yeah, i think there are a lot of moral and legal reasons why that's not going to happen. but beyond that, the assad regime has not attacked isis as much as it could have even though it says it is fighting terrorism. also it purchases a lot of products from isil. it has done that since isil took control of the oil fields. it's a very complicated situation that any u.s. action is going to be a direct air strike. as well as what seems like the modern opposition, the problem
is neither the modern opposition is ready to go in eastern syria to retake those areas. they're going to have to work with tribes as well to succeed. >> gentlemen, we appreciate your time. thank you. >> the top story, of course, that we're watching today, ferguson, missouri, and victor blackwell is live there. >> yeah, christi, it's two weeks since a police officer shot and killed michael brown. it's a shooting that has divided a community and the law enforcement here. but overnight, something that happened that is making people feel a little better in the community. also, another st. louis officer is in trouble. we see that officer right here, here he is, move be don lemon back during a live newscast. he's been suspended for a rant. and the video has been posted online. >> my personal jesus christ is
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call the number on your screen or go to lifelock.com/easy. ♪ welcome back to "new day saturday." we're live in ferguson, missouri, this morning. a st. louis county police officer who was helping to maintain security here in ferguson is now on administrative leave, and it's because a video surfaced in which he wails against president obama, the constitution, gays and others. his name is dan page, he's a st. louis county officer. he pushed cnn's don lemon back. that's him here. he was live on our air was don was anchoring the show this week. but the comments that he made back in april, those are the issues that prompted his bosses
to relieve him of his duties. listen. >> when you hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, that does not mean affirmative action. that means we're all equal and that we work through life to become unequal. some get to be lawyers. like a cars salesman, maybe i don't know. but we're all equal. god does not respect persons. so we have no business passing hate crime laws. none. because a certain group of people. >> cnn's elena machado joins me. join us about the suspension of the officer and so far the reaction to what you're hearing to what he said? >> well, victor, we're talking about a 35-year veteran of the force. he was suspended yesterday after
this controversial video surfaced online. the st. louis county police chief did issue an apology yesterday on facebook. and then he came on cnn to talk about the incident. listen to some of what he had to say. >> bottom line on this is, we expect our police officers to hold themselves to a higher standard. he didn't do that here. this topics were wide ranging. they were offensive -- patently offensive to everybody. in fact, they were bizarre. and at the end of the day what disturbed me more than anything else when he talked about the killing. that's out of bounds in my world. >> reporter: now, the suspension marks the beginning of a process that will likely include an investigation by the department's internal affairs department. as well as a psychological evaluation of this officer. victor. >> all right. alina machado here in ferguson reporting as well. thank you so much. and cnn has placed several phone
calls to what's believed to be page's home number. we'll look at the comment on the video and disciplinary action against him but we've not yet received a response. christi, that is fuelling the flames in this community already divided over the killing of michael brown. >> absolutely. thank you so much from the very latest. we appreciate it. meanwhile, the race is on to find james foley's killer. his face is covered nearly entirely. there he is, the killer. there are specific clues contained in this video that investigators are using to close in on the terrorist. with beneful healthy smile snacks. with soft meaty centers and teeth cleaning texture,it's dental that tastes so good. beneful healthy smile food and snacks. dust irritating your eye? (singing) ♪ visine® gives your eyes relief in seconds.
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22 minutes past the hour right now. a manhunt is under way as we speak here for the isis jihadist who brutally beheaded american journalist james foley. now, the biggest clue may be his voice, his accent. cnn's atika shubert is continuing the search for his killer and she has this report for us. >> reporter: the race is on to identify the man who killed james foley. his face is headen but there are clues especially militant propaganda in a british attempt at accent. >> any attempt by you, obama, to deny the muslims their rights of living in safety under the islamic caliphate will result in the bloodshed of your people. >> reporter: now, we will not show the video, it's too graphic. but we asked them to take a
listen. >> this is a guy who has been in and around london i would say. he may well have been born in the country. but he has ended up speaking very much the same way as other people in eastern london or south london as well. >> reporter: our experts all agree the man is under 30 years old and he group in britain from a very young age. >> he comes from a well-educated past of family which some find shocking. >> reporter: and there are other clues his height and build even the boot he is wears and the way he holds the knife indicates he may be left-handed. british analysts are comparing it to the video and audio recordings of known jihadists. they're also reaching out to britain's community hoping someone, somewhere, recognizes his voice. there are an estimated 400 to 500 british nationals who have
volunteered to fight in syria and iraq. one of them may be the man who killed james foley. and the british government said it's determined to find him. >> cnn's atika shubert joins us from london. good to see you. >> what they're doing is going over the video and audio in their database and trying to narrow down who this is. the 400 to 500 fighters that have gone there is simply an estimate. a lot of analysts say the number could in fact be much higher. so the greatest hope is that somebody in the community actually recognizes that voice or the person's build. and tips investigators off. and there are a number of communities that are had cooperating and helping them out with this. >> atika shubert, thank you so much for the report. we appreciate it. meanwhile, angry protesters in ferguson, they say they want
june. the official however said the militants acted on their own and neither hamas leadership nor its military wing approved that operation. it's believed more than 2,000 people have been killed since the fight in gadahn. number two, the white house had a, quote, dangerous encounter with a fighter plane. it rolled under a u.s. plane, at one point passing within 20 feet. it happened in international airspace over the south china sea. and the pentagon voiced its concerns directly to the government. a militant has attacked a sunni mosque in iraq. this is disturbing video. 65 people were killed. 75 were wounded. and nigerian officials are reporting two new cases of ebola in the country bringing the total up to 14.
so far, nearly 2500 suspected cases have been reported from guinea, sierra leone, liberia, nigeria, and the world health organization says more than half the patients died. meanwhile, senegal has closed its border with guinea because of that outbreak. and texas governor rick perry is in new hampshire testing out his prospects. in 2012, simply didn't lay enough groundwork before jump into the race but now it, he's, quote, spent a lot of time in preparation. though he hasn't decided if he's going to run yet. this is first visit since he ran in 2012. he was arraigned on an abuse of power charge which he says is politically motivated. >> we are learning more about the investigation into the death of unarmed teen michael brown. let's get to victor blackwell. he's on the ground there in ferguson there this morning. victor, what have you learned? >> well, we're learning, of course, we've known for some
time that the fbi is here in ferguson. well, sources tell cnn that the fbi has now interviewed more than 200 people in the community and is nhas knocked on more tha0 doors here. officials are now investigating recent cyberattacks against local law enforcement. we know the makeup up of the jury. three are african-american, one male, two females. overnight, it was a peaceful night in the community. so that's good news. protesters were still on the street, but there were no arrests today in a sign of solidarity with the people of ferguson, there are several rallies scheduled including one in washington, d.c. supporters of darren wilson, the officers who shot brown, they're speaking out as well. they're expected to gather in st. louis today. all of this, we have to remember there is a family at the center of this that is grieving.
brown's funeral is scheduled for monday. the same day ferguson students are scheduled to return to school in this community. you know, christi, according to the prosecuting attorney it could take another two months before the grand jury decides whether this case could be brought to trial. >> they're saying october. let's talk about this. the criminal defense page pate. thank you for being with us. something that you wrote about after wilson's legal defense. you wlot the investigators that who are will be reviewing the case will be likely be predisposed to believe the officers' version of the events and the citizens serving on any grand jury or trial jury may be predisposed. to defer to the officer's judge.
convicting officer wilson of any crime in this case will be more difficult than some people are assuming. >> i think it's particularly difficult for a state jury to indict him. let's look at the makeup. we know it's a majority white. and minute nor of the aft african-americans on it. you can come into the bias about the particular case. unlike a trial jury where at the don't let someone serve on that jury if they've made up their minds. in my experience, and i've represented several in excessive force cases, once they believe in that officer and if they believe in the officer and his explanation makes sense, they're going to defer to him. they know it's a tough job. they say, look, i don't want to be in that position. we trust you to do the right thing. if he appears to be remorseful of what happened happened, i think they're going to defer to
him. >> hey, page, thus far, we've not heard from him, but a woman named jozy, that that's the story he's telling would you advise him to tell his story or stay quiet? >> well, victor i would advise him to go ahead and get his story out there. we know he's already given two statements to investigators. it's not like he has not gone on the record yet. he has. and i think this district attorney is going to offer him the very unique opportunity of appearing before the grand jury. that doesn't happen in every case. i think you need to get your statement out there. tell people why you did what you did and be prepared to go into the grand jury, because if you do it and it's believable, then i don't think this grand jury will indict him. >> we know that investigators have spoken to hundreds of people, these witnesses, and so many of them have different accounts, how do you reconcile
and decipher the truths? >> i think that's one reason the prosecutor will have a hard time indicting him. oftentimes, it's a one-sided affair. they're going to take the best witnesses they have to get the indictment. but in this case, the district attorney said i'm going to let them hear everything. all the evidence. so they're going to hear these witnesses that have inconsistent statements not just with the statement, but with themselves sometimes. it's always the prosecutor's burden, and i think it's a tough one to meet here. >> victor. >> the prosecutor, page, just said that this could take until mid-october. and we know that this sometimes just takes some time. the grand jury is presented with all the evidence and then they have to decide. that means it could be another two months before charges are brought in this case.
do you think that will quiet the community, dror you think the wait no response no chance will incite more protests? >> well, i think it's tough to tell right now. we've seen the protests continue. although i think they've been not nearly potentially violent as in the past. and let's assume for a second this grand jury does not indict them, then we're talking about a federal investigation which i think will take even more time. in my experience with the federal grand jury cases, we're not just talking months. sometimes those investigates will last for a year nor more. i don't think this town can keep it together that long. >> page, thank you so much. victor, we're going to check back with in a few minutes. we appreciate your time. >> you can even imagine the pain suffered by the murdered american james foley. ahead, you're going to hear from his brother about how tormenting
well, syria could be the pentagon's next target. the u.s. is ramping up its strategy against isis in the wake of that grisly murder of american journalist james foley. a militant official tells "the wall street journal" air strikes could target isis leaders and, quote, high defensive targets. the u.s. is ready to take action against any threat that could include isis training camps,
yes, in syria. dispute national security adviser ben rhodes put it bluntly, if you come after americans, we're going to come after you wherever you are, essentially. none of that tough talk is going to bring about james foley whose parents say they remember him for his gentleness. >> he was strong, courageous, loving to the end. we just have to recognize our little boy. i mean, he was just a hero, you know. >> you know from the videos -- to see my family. >> so jim had a big heart. >> strong people. foley's brother michael said james also had courage which he showed right up to the end. he said the u.s. needs to show that now, needs to show some of that courage. in his words, i don't want jim
to have died in vain. he telling cnn's anderson cooper that dealing with jim's savage beheading was like being in a horror movie. >> i was thinking about your family, that had received an e-mail. i can't imagine seeing the e-mail pop up. have you read it? >> yes, i have. >> and just checking an e-mail one day and seeing an e-mail from the people holding your brother, your child, i mean, i kept thinking about your parents in that situation. your whole family, and there's no question there, there's horror that really struck me. >> horror is a good word. it's like right out of a hollywood movie, unfortunately, you're in it. and i just know that i'm comforted by the fact it was clear in the images in the video that jim didn't flinch.
he had the courage, i'm certain, he put himself in a position to be first in line. and he wanted us to be strong. and that's the message he was sending without saying it. you know, i want that memory to live on we all love jim. and i know there's a lot of others that look up to him. and it's just the people from all overt world. all over the country, all walks of life have reached out to us. >> and the words of others who were held captive with him, french journalists who were with jim said he was a pillar of strength for everybody else, despite what was happening to him at the time. that's also got to give your family such strength and pride. >> yeah, it does. no surprise, aernnderson, i'll honest with you. i look forward to meeting them in person. there was a letter that was memorized from one of them, that really just talked about my boys. and it was great to hear.
>> one of the other captors actually memorized a letter from jim to your family? >> that's right. none of jim's letters got out, but he was nice to take the time. and they did have time to memorize the letter. was there pretty long, actually, it was really a nice touch. it means a lot to us. >> you can imagine how those things are holding this family up. ironically, the foley family says it seemed as though they were making progress towards getting james released. and then, of course, this. we will continue to follow what thus means for the fight against isis. and still to come, the trucks in the russian convoy leave ukraine today but global indignation remains-over moscow's move into another country it seems. i also want to talk about torrential flooding in the
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russia should not send vehicles, persons or cargo of any kind into ukraine. whether under the guise of humanitarian convoys or any other way without express russia must remove its vehicles and its personnel from the territory of ukraine immediately. failure to do so will result in additional costs and isolation. >> rear admiral james kirby there at the pentagon. russian media said several aid trucks went back into the ukraine. now the withdrawal not likely to ease national pressure after 257 trucks rolled into ukraine yesterday. president obama and chancellor
angela merkel called the move provocation. diana magnay is seeing the response in slovyansk. >> reporter: to key to capturing from the rebels is so difficult because the fighting sill rages. that is white red cross decided not to accompany the aid convoy as they were meant to under the deal because they said it's simply too dangerous and they couldn't guarantee safe passage. but whatever it was, that they delivered in luhansk and now on their way back. but not, of course, without having stirred considerable international outcry with promises from the white house
that russia would pay the costs for this violent unilateral action we have yet to see what those costs will be, christi. >> diana, we're also hearing there are about 18,000 russian combat-ready soldiers on the border. what are you hearing about that? >> reporter: that's right, that's what we've been hearing from nato. remember, though, a few months ago when the whole conflict in eastern ukraine started out there were 40,000 combat troops on the russian side according to nato and u.s. defense officials so it's not as many as that but it's still alarming in nato's words. also they say there's been a considerable amount of help weapons systems that have been coming across the border. also artillery shelling into ukraine has been happening for the last couple of weeks but also nato said from russia's
positions inside ukraine. and that is an interesting stepup on russian activity on this side of the border. i just want to talk to you about briefly, christi about where i am. this is the city of slovyansk. this city was under siege. i came here two months ago. it was incredibly difficult to get here. it took us three days trying to get in. but the ukrainian army had sealed it all off. i remember walking across the square, where you have little families coming out, little girl on go-carts then there was no electricity, no running water. this square was absolutely deserted. it was really scary walking through here to the city hall where there were sandbags and the pro-rebels thiensd sandbags telling us to watch out for snipers. jut an incredible exchange just to see us that swept through the
city now that it's been recaptured by ukrainians, it's now that people are coming out having a nice weekend, back at work, saying we're operation for our friends and neighbors in luhansk who are going through what i saw here in slovyansk, christi. >> a great sense of what's going on there, diana magnay. we appreciate it. thank you. i lenting heat in california. and it's causing damage. we'll talk about that. plus, no school, the schools may have shut down amid the turmoil in ferguson. however, the st. louis rams stepped in and gave the football players a safe place to practice for their new season.
now, we're going to california with the drought taking its toll on the lakes in that region. especially lake orgo, and the heat, not giving you any relief. get this, we have a little bit of drought here as well. apparently, jennifer gray is stuck in makeup. it happens, people. it happens. todd boric is live at the weather center. i remember when they put me in charge of weather in phoenix,thy didn't have any weather experience. >> at least it's phoenix. we're going back to the bull pen, third or fourth inning. let's take a look at that drought. terrible conditions in california. the latest drought index that came out last thursday.
check out some of these numbers, 90% severe drought or worse. and it actually got better. it was at 100% last week. excessive drought still throughout for 58% of california and does not look like the conditions will be getting any better anytime soon. unfortunately, the way the weather pattern is set up, everything is just looking very hot and dry out there. that's the same thing for the south. little rock, up in kansas city, st. louis, to birmingham. over 100 degrees heat index. same thing for the south, 110 degrees or above for places like new orleans, over towards panama city and jacksonville is going to be a hot sticky day in the southeast. unfortunately, christi, for the west, it doesn't look good either. the drought will continue. it was 100% drought getting better to 97%. there's always a glass half full type of thing. >> there is.
i know there's other parts of the country getting too much of the wet stuff, right? >> unfortunately, they. we are dealing with the heavy rainfall. all the heavy downpours off to the north and the west. temperatures at least for today, looking 107 degrees for memphis. this is really what we're concerned about up towards the north and west, this is where we see the excessive amount of rainfall with the amount of rain, 2 to 4 inches from billings, montana, to the dakotas, that could cause flooding as well. just look at these numbers, the warmest start for california, in 120 years, this has been the warmest start for california since records have been taken. it's going to be hot out west and the south and east. nothing but rainfall for the prairies. >> can i hear it for todd goric, people, come on, producer, meteorologist, so glad you're here, todd, thank you.
>> thank you. ♪ ♪ >> good to have you on the team, todd. alrighty. let's look at another good step here. local schools as you know have been closed in the wake of unrest in st. louis, missouri. the st. louis rams have excited three high school teams to work out at the facility. >> just the parent in me, the coach in me, the big brother, hey, what are you doing? coach, at i'm home. okay. well, i'm just checking in you. well, you can stop calling me every two minutes. >> i'm not saying like we're troublemaker, like when we don't have nothing to do, there's stuff out there that you can possibly get in trouble. football is keeping us out of trouble. >> according to espn, all schools have an open door invitation for as long as they need a place to practice. if you're not a fan of them before, i'm betting there's a soft spot in your heart for them that way. ni