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costello. >> have a great labor day too. "newsroom" starts now. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you very much for joining me. we start with breaking news. the three americans being held in north korea kenneth bae, matthew miller and jeffrey fowle, all spoke to cnn this morning from a secret hotel in pyongyang. this was a surprise to cnn. will ripley was on a government tour in north korea when he was told to board a van and leave immediately. he was later given the truth about seeing the american prisoners in the reclusive nation's capital. as you might expect, the government tried to control every aspect of the interview, limiting time with each man to five minutes and keeping them all separated in different rooms. will was told they could only ask the prisoners about three things, charges, treatment, and messages to loved ones. here's more from cnn's will ripley.
>> mr. bae, will ripley with cnn. hi. good to see you. i'm going to pull up this a little closer to you. >> okay. >> have a seat. we have five minutes. i'm sure there is a lot you want to say, so just try to keep your answers as concise as you can. >> sure. >> good to see you. ready to get started? >> okay. >> first of all, what do you know about the charges that you now -- do you believe you're guilty of the charges you've been convicted of here? >> yes. >> and you're currently serving time. can you tell me about your conditions? >> yes, i'm serving 15 year sentence right now. and i've been going back and forth from hospital to the labor camp for the last year and a half. and right now i'm serving at labor camp right now. >> can you tell me about the conditions at the labor camp?
>> condition at labor camp is i'm working eight hours a day, six days a week, and working agricultural work to other hard labor that is required to do every day. >> do you think you're being treated humanely? >> yes. >> and your message to your family? >> well, i'm sure they're very worried about my health at this time. and even though right now last month and a half my health has been failing. so right now what i can say to my family and friends is to continue to pray for me and also ask them to continue an effort in getting me released here. >> when you say your health is failing, do you have any specific details? >> i have sleep disorder and severe back pain and also --
condition not doing so well. i get numb and tingling and it has been very difficult sleeping at night. and i was working in the field every day. >> your message for the american government? >> for the american government right now, i've been asking the american government to act upon getting me released here, and i do believe that special envoy need to come in order to resolve this situation that i am in right now. so i do ask u.s. government to send an envoy as soon as possible. i think that's the only hope i have right now, you know, for me to go home, be united with my family. >> when you acted the way you did, can you tell me what you did? did you know at the time you were breaking the law here in north korea? >> well, i did have some assumptions, but i did not quite agree with the charges until i
got here. so and after being trial for, you know, that period of time, i realized that what i -- i violated the law. but at the time i wasn't quite sure it was quite serious as they were charging me now. >> what is the bottom line about the situation here and the message you want to put out? >> right now is that i'm here, i've been here for almost two years now, and then -- i do believe i'm -- i've been treated humanely as possible, they have been doing that for me. but at the same time i realize that at this point that i've been here, i think i am the american here the longest since the korean war and i do believe that sooner this gets resolved,
the better for not only for myself, for the rest of the other americans may come here in the future as well. >> can you give me more insight about your daily life and do you have contact with any other americans? >> no. >> or other people, koreans that are in prison? >> no. i'm the only prisoner in the camp. i've been only prisoner at the camp for last year and a half. i don't have anybody else in the camp other than guard and there is one doctor stationed in there as well. >> so how many staff members are overseeing you? >> 15 or 20 people daily basis. but there are about 30 or more people in the camp. >> do you get to talk to people on a daily basis? what kind of communication do you have? >> just talking with -- just with the guard and just small talk and that's all.
>> anything else important you want to say in your final seconds? >> well, i do need help from the u.s. government. and my health is failing. and i've been since the last time i transferred back from the hospital to the camp i lost already 15 pounds or more. and it has been very difficult to stay in the camp right now. so i do ask the u.s. governments and the people out there to really put effort to send somebody to make it work. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> okay. >> best of luck to you. we'll get the word out. >> when did you move back to the prison camp? >> july 29th. >> all right. so let's talk a little bit more about this extraordinary interview in north korea. joining me now about phone, former u.s. ambassador bill richardson. bill richardson, he's negotiated for the release of hostages in the past. good morning, sir.
thank you so much for taking time out on labor day to talk to us about this. >> of course, carol. >> what do you make of this. will ripley in north korea to cover a completely different story and north korean officials show up and say we're going to take you to a secret location so you can interview these three americans. what do you make of that? >> well, the north koreans are trying to send a message. one that they're ready to deal with the united states on the three americans. they're obviously using them as bargaining chips. secondly, the north koreans pressure our prisoners to script them, to send messages to. one, they're being properly treated, secondly, that they want the u.s. government, not anybody else to send a special envoy, the north koreans want to talk to us. but what we're saying to the north koreans is, first release them on humanitarian grounds, and then talk to us. though i had no inkling.
i had not talked to the administration about this, but that's the back and forth. the good news here is i think that north koreans are saying, okay, everybody is worried about isis, about russia, we're still here, and we have these bargaining chips. and we want the u.s. to pay attention to us. i think that's the message that was being sent by, as you said, these extraordinary interviews. >> when you say bargaining chip, what do the north koreans want, just for a popular powerful american figure to show up and negotiate so they can say, see, we got the americans here? >> what they want is to talk to us and we have said to the north koreans, we're not going to talk to you unless you make a gesture, do something about your nuclear weapons. don't detonate another nuclear bomb. do something about acting responsibly in the international community. then the north koreans come back to us and say, well, maybe we'll
do that in talks, but send somebody to talk to us. and i think the administration is doing the right thing. i think the north koreans want a freebie here. they want a platform to express their views with the u.s. government and the six party countries, china, japan, russia, south korea. and so what we also have, carol, is a new north korean leader that has its own way of negotiating. we don't know much about him. in the past, i would say other envoys are were able to go with his father and, you know, you set some parameters. okay, in exchange for this, we send humanitarian aid, we do this. but we don't know much about this guy, so he's testing us. but the fact that they had this interview and the good news, the only other good news is that they were apparently being treated properly, humanely, though kenneth bae is in a labor camp, the poor guy has been
there over two years, his health is failing. he's got a family that wants him out. all three of them. so i think this will spark within the administration some kind of a policy analysis on what we do next. so in a way it is a good sign. >> well, you know, if i were kenneth bae's family or family member of the other two americans being held hostage in north korea i would think about the ling sisters, they were held hostage for 140 days, but an envoy did go to rescue them, that would be bill clinton. so perhaps the families are wondering why can't the same thing happen for kenneth bae and the others? >> well, because the north koreans, i think, have changed their tune. in the past they said we want a bill clinton, we want a nongovernment person, we want a lot of publicity from that visit. what the north koreans are now saying, if you say, hear kenneth bae what he said, send a u.s.
government envoy, in other words, they want somebody from the state department, an official person that can lead to the north koreans to some kind of negotiation, an official discussion. so i think that's the -- the north koreans have changed their tune. they want a u.s. government person. the u.s. government is saying, release these people and then we'll talk or maybe the u.s. government is also saying, take some responsible gestures on nuclear proliferation and the north koreans don't want to do it. it is a little cat and mouse game. >> ambassador bill richardson, thank you so much for your insight this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you, carol. >> we managed to get will ripley on the phone. he's still inside north korea. so that's no easy task. will ripley, tell our viewers how these extraordinary interviews came to be. >> well, carol, we were in the
middle our daily scheduled tour. and we were two hours north of the capital city, having lunch, getting ready to go to a temple when our government minors pulled us out of lunch and said we need to get a van right now and they didn't tell us where we were going or who we were speaking with. we put in a request to speak to the detained americans as soon as we arrived. and we were told we were going to be speaking with somebody within the north korean government, but didn't know who, didn't know exactly where we were going. as we drove, towards the city of pyongyang, our government minors were getting a number of phone calls and speaking very quickly in the phone. at one point we pulled over, one stepped away from the vehicle, made another phone call, wrote down some notes. we kept driving to this hotel in pyongyang, and we got out of the van, and at the front door, we were told that plans had changed again and we would be speaking with kenneth bae, matthew miller
and jeffrey fowle. we had very specific conditions that we had to agree to ahead of time. five minutes with each american, no more. and we could only talk about the conditions surrounding their arrests, the charges they're facing, the conditions in which they're being held, are they being treated humanely and any message they have for their families and perhaps more importantly to the american government. we were told if we veered beyond those topics or went over our time, there could be serious consequences. we agreed to the guidelines. we went and spoke with each man. they were held in separate rooms inside this hotel and conference center. and they had no contact with each other. they have never seen each other. never spoken. but one by one we went in there, they set the clock and we started talking. >> all right, will ripley, thanks for the great reporting. we appreciate it. later this hour, you'll get to hear the full exclusive interview with another one of those detand americanined ameri jeffrey fowle, he's been detained since may for leaving a
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it is labor day as you know, three day weekend to celebrate summer's last hoorah. i want to share some statistics with you that forbes magazine generated. in 1965, the average ceo earned about 20 times more than the people he or she employed. by 2012, that same ceo took home nearly 273 times as much as the average worker. and then there's this. in 2012, the average ceo at one of the top 350 publicly traded
companies earned just over $14 million. that was an increase of about 875% since 1978. jaw dropping, right? during the same 24-year period, the average worker's wages grew at an anemic 5.4%. ouch. i want to bring in cnn chief business correspondent christine romans. we talk about this a lot. it is always so depressing. but let's focus open the bright side. the economy is improving. >> it is improving. the labor market is getting better. that will bring more people along. what we have seen, it is not just the recession, but what we have seen back to the 70s is you're seeing wages stag assistant, absolutely stagnant or falling even in some categories. since the recession, carol this is when so many people -- it maybes people crazy. since the recession, you have seen corporate profits explode. companies' bottom lines are
improving, they're doing so well. some industries seeing record profits, but the worker is not sharing in that. at what point will the workers share in the corporate profit explosion or does it take government raising a moninimum wage to make that happen. >> hopefully we have a man with answers. i want to bring in tom perez. good morning, sir. happy labor day. >> happy labor day to you and all your listeners. >> thank you so much for being with us. i appreciate it. >> always a pleasure. >> let's talk about the wage gap and how it is still very, very wide and may be getting wider. the president's first call for a raise of the national minimum wage during his state of the union address in 2013 and as you know it has gone nowhere. let's look at that graphic again that shows what is happening with ceo raises over the past 24 years. the president mentioned raising the minimum wage again in his recent weekly address. this is going to require, i don't know, require what of politicians to get this done? if it is even going to happen. >> well, i -- here is where i
disagree with you. the notion that it has gone nowhere ignores what is happening at state and local levels. we're playing a very, very active role. today, mayor garcetti in los angeles is going to be announcing an initiative to raise the minimum wage to 1325. i applaud his efforts. since the president put the pedal to the metal on the minimum wage, 13 states and the district of columbia raised their minimum wage. you have action in seattle. i think america works best when we feel the full team and getting people back to work. and america works best when we have shared prosperity. and the statistics you point out are the reasons why so many people are doing what the employees at market basket did, in boston. they rallied around arthur t as they call him because he's an employer who understands that it is not the either/or thing. this notion that you either take care of your shareholders or you take care of your workers,
people like arthur t reject that. people like the president at kentucky state university -- >> i think that's terrific, but as christine pointed out, profits -- the profits of big companies, they're doing just fine, but they're not increasing workers wages at all. >> in some cases, they're trying hard not to have to add workers, mr. secretary, if they don't have to. it brings me to the question, i look at something like employment of the millennials, they're going to college, they have student loan debt, they get out and don't have the opportunities they once had in the economy. what do you tell somebody to be when they grow up in a place where wages are flat and we're not creating as many jobs as we would like to. >> as someone who just dropped his daughter off at college this weekend, education continues to be the great equalizer. you look at unemployment rates. you have a college degree, unemployment rate is somewhere in the 3% range. if you have less than a high
school degree, your unemployment rate is much higher. education continues to be the great equalizer. we added almost 10 million jobs over the last 53 months. the economy is clearly moving in the right direction. we need to pick up the pace of this growth and need to make sure that everybody shares in that prosperity. and that's one of the fundamental challenges moving ahead is making sure that the wage growth that we need to see across america actually occurs. that's why, again, people like arthur t, people like -- >> can i just ask you one more question, before we let you go, because christine brought this up in the break, is there any -- if companies refuse to share the profits, with their employees, which they're not doing because frankly they don't have to, right? because the economy is still hurting, they don't have to do that. is there anything the government should do to force the issue? >> well, again, we're fighting to raise the minimum wage. we're fighting like heck to pass
immigration reform. a long-term transportation bill. investments in skills. these are the things. the more we pick up the pace of growth, the more we put money in people's problem epockets, once up the pace of growth further, that's what puts upward pressure on wages. that helps lift wages to better levels. i think there are so many employers out there who understand you have to think long-term. i spoke to fortune 50 ceo who said we need to be thinking long-term. i have too many renegade shareholders who tell me, this is a quote, i would rather be rich than right. that's not the philosophy that got america where it is today. the philosophy that got america where it is today is we need to grow the middle class. and the challenge that we're confronting now is to make sure we lift wages of everybody so that everybody can punch their ticket to the middle class, put money in people's pockets so they spend it, so employers hire
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all right, more now on this morning's breaking news. the three americans being held in north korea, kenneth bae, matthew miller and jeffrey fowle all spoke to cnn earlier from a secret hotel in pyongyang. the men all pleaded for help from the u.s. government. north korean officials limited the interview with them to five minutes. they were each kept separately in different rooms. cnn's will ripley joins me by phone from pyongyang, north
korea. tell us more. >> well, carol, this is really a stunning turn of events here in pyongyang. we have been on a five-day government controlled tour of north korea, here to cover completely separate event and we were in the middle of one of those tours today, when our minders pulled us aside and said there had been an urgent change of plans. before we knew it, we were on a van heading two hours south back to pyongyang to a hotel in the middle of the city where we were told just seconds before we walked into the building that we were speaking for the first time with three detained americans, kenneth bae, matthew miller, and jeffrey fowle. kenneth bae has been convicted of a crime, he was convicted of a christian plot to overthrow the north korean government. jeffrey fowle also convicted of a religion related offense, also accused of a religion related offense, because he goes on trial in about a month. he's accused of leaving his
bible in a hotel while he was taking a government rail tour of this country. we had five minutes to speak with each of these men. we had to follow specific criteria and i want to play for you now my interview with mr. fowle. >> i'd like to thank you for being here. i appreciate you taking the time to come and see me and get my message out to the world. >> good to see you. can you tell us about the charges you're facing as you've been told? >> charges are violation of dprk law, me trying to leave a bible at a club on a rail trip of the dprk. i have -- it is a covert act, violates the tourist's purpose as well. and i admit my guilt to the government, and signed a statement to that respect and asked forgiveness to the people and the government of the dprk.
the legal process is i'm going right now, it is in the final stages of preliminary investigation. the prosecutor's office and they state trial will be forth coming soon. so time is getting urgent. within a month i should be facing trial and sentencing will be right after that. so i'm convey my desperate situation, which i'm 56, i'm from the ohio area. >> we know your background, sir. we know your family background. how are you being treated here? >> reasonably well. i haven't any complaints. food is good. i get a daily walk with the guides. even medical care has been furnished a couple of times. and quarter is good. hotel suite type of room. so i don't have any complaint about the treatment. very good so far and i hope and pray it continues while i'm here two more days or two more decades, whatever the case is. >> your message to your family? >> message is i come home as soon as i can.
my family is the biggest thing on my mind now. i got the wife and three school aged kids that depend on me for support. and my mother-in-law is staying with us too. there is six of us in our household. and i'm gone, my wife is trying to operate the household by herself and it is a chore to do with two people, let alone one. she's dependent on my salary, almost a single salary household. my wife has a small part time job as a hairstylist. she doesn't bring in that much money and only works part time. money will be tight. if this goes beyond the end of september, i'm in grave danger of losing my job. my vacation benefits run out. i'll be out of a job, out of income. my kids might be out on the street. our house is paid for, bull all kind kinds of expenses. we have chores and stuff. kids are helping as best they can. but jobs are piling up. i need to get back to doing what
i do around the house there. getting back to work. hopefully that job will be open when i get back soon. three more days, my oldest will be turning -- having a birthdayy back in june. i missed a lot of birthdays since i've been here in detention since the 7th of may. i appreciate what you guys are doing, getting the message out. i want to express my gratitude to the governments involved. state department is good in conveying messages back and forth. i appreciate what the white house has done. information is precious to me in the last few months. i don't get very much information. but i appreciate the government doing -- the swedish embassy and the russian government. my wife is half russian. dual citizenship. she wrote to vladimir putin and
he wrote back to my wife, so the russian government is involved. they can't do anything now, but they're keeping an eye on the situation. >> the bottom line, your message about your conditions here and your situation? >> i'm good for the time being. but i need to let people know that i'm getting desperate. i'm getting desperate for help. i understand there are three americans in detention here in the dprk, which i think is the most since the pueblo incident. >> and no communication with the others? >> no. i know the name of the third guy, ken bae has been here for the longest. ken bae. i'm sure he's desperate to get back and this is an opportunity for maybe bill clinton to come back and he had release a couple of journalists a few years back. maybe george bush, his turn as an elder statesman to try his hand at that. i appreciate any help they can lend. to help resolve our cases and bring us home. >> mr. fowle, thank you. >> thank you. >> do we still have will ripley
on the phone? >> i still am, carol, hello. >> good, good. i'm still we have you. i know how difficult the connection is between the united states and north korea. i wondered, who else was in the room with you guys? >> yeah, you know, it seemed at times like i was trying to move the interview along quickly, it is because we had an entire group of north korean government officials who were tape recording us, audio recording us, and they were timing us from the moment of my first question, they started a timer and we were warned ahead of time that if we went over that five minute limit, or if the interview strayed beyond the topics of their charges, the humanitarian conditions in which they're being held, and the message to their families and government, if we went over or tried to ask about anything else, we are were told the consequences would be severe. i wanted to stay on message and make sure that jeffrey fowle was able to say what he wanted to say, to get the message to his family. you heard him talk about his children. i could see in his eyes as i was sitting there with him how
painful it is for him to be away from them. he was, as you heard him say, arrested on his daughter's birthday for leaving this bible, which you know the government claims it was a covert act, designed to somehow spread a message that may be harmful to the regime here, something they take extremely seriously, and fowle has the other two americans learned that if you break the rules, in north korea, the freedom that they are accustomed to in the united states could be gone for a very long time as their trial is scheduled to begin just weeks from now. and sentencing would happen immediately afterwards. kenneth bae in the middle of serving 15 years hard labor. at a labor camp, and switching time between a labor camp and hospital right now. said his health is failing. i need to point out, carol, all of the detainees who we spoke to, the americans, said they were being treated humanely. the two men who have not yet been sentenced are in hotel
rooms as you heard fowle mention. and so i think the north korean government wanted to show the world the condition of these men and also wanted to accepted a message they're making them available to us now. because they would like to open up some kind of live communication with the united states. that's the impression i get from talking to several government officials here is that they're ready to talk. they want to talk. what the motivation is, what the outcome or the benefits of them would be, that has yet to be seen. >> all right, will ripley reporting from north korea this morning. thank you very much. stay with us at the top of the hour. we'll play you the last of our exclusive interviews with the three detained americans in north korea. next we'll hear from matthew miller who is just 24 years ole. i'll be right back.
getting started. today marks the unofficial kickoff for the midterms, and with control of the senate hanging in the balance, some democrats are turning to a key demo. african-americans. returning to the demo to stave off a furious challenge from the republican rivals. larry sabatow and ron christie is a former special assistant to george w. bush. welcome, gentlemen. >> good morning, carol. >> good morning. >> larry, you wrote this long article for politico talking about the chances of republicans taking over the senate. so tell us, what are the chances as we stand right now? >> well, as we stand right now, they're better than 50/50. the most likely outcome is a gain for the republicans, six or seven seats. they need six to take over. democrats have 55 seats at present. i'll tell you, there is no wave and in fact some of the democrats, the democratic incumbents who were thought to be most vulnerable in states
like alaska, arkansas, louisiana, north carolina, are hanging tough. now, look, the big picture is republicans are going to gain seats in both houses. they're going to gain a minimum of four seats in the senate. they're probably going to add to their majority, five seats, eight seats, in the house of representatives. but, of course, the midterm will be defined by what happens in the senate. >> so, ron, this is a smart move by the congressional black caucus, trying to rally the black vote, especially in southern states where races are close. will this be effective? >> i think it is always smart to get as many folks who want to go out to the polls and turn out to show up and participate. that's one of the greatest things about our country as a franchise. i think the way they're doing it is a little bit disingenuous f you look at the last election in 2012, blacks voted a higher participation rate than whites did. blacks voted 66% as opposed to 64 for whites. if you look at the number, blacks, african-americans
increased the vote by 1.7 million from 2008 to 2012 election. trying to say that ferguson or efforts to suppress the vote are keeping blacks back is wrong when -- >> larry, ferguson very much played into this equation. john lewis said this, ferguson made it clear that we have got to go to the polls. you participate and vote and you can have some control over what happens to your child and your country. do you think that appeal will resonate? >> well, look, every party, each party in each election tries to capture lightning in a bottle. and what you're trying to do is to fine the emotional hot buttons that will produce a decent turnout of your constituency groups. african-americans, 90 to 95% democratic. if democrats win in a low
turnout midterm election, they have got to increase the likely proportion of african-american voters. that's why they're using ferguson, where they're citing fringe efforts to impeach president obama. those are issues that move african-american voters in many parts of the country. and frankly in a low turnout election, that's the democrats' best shot to keep the republicans from taking over the senate. >> so, ron, will republicans have to tweak their strategy at all? >> i don't think we'll have to tweak our strategy. our strategy is very inclusive trying to talk about what we're for as opposed to what we're against, trying to have a contrasting theme, contrasting message about why republicans, particularly in this key election, key demographic, will be important for us to really not only expand our majority in the house, but to take over the senate. and to touch on what my friend said a moment ago, i think if you look at a state like north carolina where african-americans voted 7.5% in a greater
percentage than whites did, think in a low turnout election, a seat like north carolina, which is pivotal to republicans, i think if the democrats are successful in getting african-americans to go to the polls that could make a difference in some of the really tight races. >> we'll see. ron christie, larry sabatow, thank you very much, i appreciate it. i'll be right back. nowwith the virtualhe phfreedom of wi-fi. the car, chevrolet, the first and only car company to bring built-in 4g lte wi-fi to cars, trucks and crossovers. hi mom. you made it! it's the new independence. when your favorite food starts a fight fight back fast with tums. relief that neutralizes acid on contact... ...and goes to work in seconds. ♪ tum, tum tum tum tums!
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just days after the nfl instituted tougher penalties for players accused of domestic violence, police arrested san francisco 49ers defensive end ray mcdonnell on suspension of felony domestic violence against his pregnant fiancee. after posting bail, he told that the real story will come out soon. >> the truth will come out. i can't say too much now. the truth will come out. everybody knows the kind of
person i am. >> what kind of person are you? >> i'm just a -- a good-hearted person, i mean, you know. >> he's a good-hearted person. he said. joining me now to talk more about in is a sports attorney and andy scholes. andy, how exactly, what are police saying about this? do we know exactly what happened? >> apparently, carol, this was at his 30th birthday party, they were called to the house early sunday morning. they spoke with a few people and after investigating it, mcdonald was taken away on suspension of domestic violence and according -- reportedly, according to the police, his fiancee, who is ten weeks' pregnant had bruises on her neck and arms. now, we know that a firearmstorm the envelope -- the firestorm
the nfl has been under. they do not have to wait until this goes to the courts. he can act. i would say mcdonald is going to get suspended. he's not only going to face the six games for the first offense. there is a clause in there for mitigating circumstances where it could be an even harsher punishment than six games. >> what about the players union? couldn't it get involved? >> there has to be adjudication of the matter in order tor the commissioner to discipline a player under the new policy. adjudication doesn't have to be a conviction. in the case of ray mcdonald, it will be interesting to see what occurs when he enters his formal plea. if he pleads guilty, i think you will see the nfl to act very swiftly at that point in time. >> what if he doesn't?
>> if he does not, the nfl will have to delay its discipline. if charges are eventually dropped, it will be interesting to see what occurs. is the arrest enough for the nfl to implement the new policy? >> that's interesting. andy, this is a big test for the commissioner and his new policy. >> it certainly is. i would say donte whit ner, he told someone you can get in trouble, as long as you come back and talk to me and forgive you, unless you put your hands on women in a domestic violence, if you do that, you are done in my book. those are words coming from jim har because. who is the head coach of the
49ers. i highly doubt you see ray mcdonald playing on sunday. >> i'm just a sinnic, if you need ray mcdonald to win the game, you need him to win the game. >> there are principles at stake and this whole policy is a direct reaction to the public outcry for the commissioners handling the ray rice situation. domestic violence activists and general public they have all been led to believe that the nfl does not take domestic violence seriously enough in as an abhorrent crime in our society. we'll see what happens. the next hour of cnn "newsroom" after a break. with soft meaty centers and teeth cleaning texture,it's dental that tastes so good. beneful healthy smile food and snacks.
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good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. we start this hour with breaking news out of north korea. three americans being detained, kenneth bae, matthew miller, and jeffrey fowle also spoke exclusively to cnn. as you might expect, the government tried to control every aspect of these interviews, limiting our time with each man for five minutes and keeping them