tv CNN Newsroom With Carol Costello CNN September 1, 2014 7:00am-8:01am PDT
good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. we start this hour with breaking news out of north korea. three americans being detained, kenneth bae, matthew miller, and jeffrey fowle also spoke exclusively to cnn. as you might expect, the government tried to control every aspect of these interviews, limiting our time with each man for five minutes and keeping them separated in
different rooms. we were told to ask the prisoners about three things, charges, treatment, and messages to loved ones. cnn's will ripley has more. >> hi. will ripfully, cnn. we were going to chat here. you can have a seat if up. we have five minutes. first of all, can you tell me about the charges that you are facing here in north korea? >> i will not find out until i go to trial, but i will say that i prepared to violate the law before coming here and i deliberately committed my crime. i have already admitted my guilt and apologized to the governments of the tprk and i have been asking for forgiveness. >> did you tear up your visa and seek asylum, is that report accurate? >> the previous interview that is what i said so i'm not here to discuss --
>> tell me about your conditions here. how you are being treated. >> i'm with good health and i've received medical checks and provided with humanitarian treatment. >> reporter: and what is your message to your family? >> first, i'll just say my message to my governments. i've been requesting help for a long time and there's been no movement from my governments. the american government is known for having a strong policy of protecting its citizens yet for my case there is still no movement. i've also wrun a letter to my presidents with no reply. >> while you are in north korea? >> yes, about one month ago. so for this reason, i am disappointed in my governments. however, i want to believe that my governments or someone is trying their best to help me and i will be very glad to meet the person that saves me. >> why did you come here seeking
asylum? >> during my investigation, i have discussed my motive and for the interview, it is not necessary. >> what's your message to your family? >> i've had the opportunity to phone call them so i've already spoken to them. >> what's the bottom line about your situation here and your message that you want to put out? >> that my situation is very urgent. that very soon i'm going to trial, and i would directly be sent to prison. i think this is -- this interview is my final chance to push the american government into helping me. >> so it's your final chance. what do you want to tell them that you haven't already said? >> that i need help and they need to quickly make movement because there's not much time. >> were you aware of the possible consequences when you acted the way that you did, when you entered this country? >> yes.
i was expecting to be detained. >> were you expecting to be detained as long as you have been? >> yes. >> but you are now seeking the help of the american government to go home. why? why do you not want to stay here any longer? >> no comments. >> any else that you like to say about this? >> no. that is all. thank you for meeting me. >> okay. we have a few more minutes. so you have an opportunity to say something about your conditions here, any other message. this may be your last chance to get the word out. >> no. i've given my message. >> okay. thank you. good luck. okay. >> okay. >> thanks. >> all right. i believe we have will on the phone, is that correct? no, we do not. the other american that will talked with, kenneth bae, he also pleaded for help from the
united states during this morning's exclusive interview. listen. >> i do ask u.s. government to send an envoy as soon as possible. that's the only hope that i have right now for me to go home and be united with my family. i do believe the sooner that this get resolved it will be better for myself, for the rest of the other americans that may come in the future as well. >> kenneth bae's sister terry chung joins me on the phone. thanks for talking with me. first your reaction to seeing and hearing your brother today. >> it's not easy. he doesn't look well and he doesn't look like himself, and, you know, it's hard to watch, seeing him pleading for help, you know, for -- it's almost two
years, so i think it's not easy. >> does he look in good health to you? >> he's lost quite a bit of weight and he definitely doesn't look like himself and he looks like he's under a considerable amount of stress. >> one of the other americans being held captive by the north koreans said that the united states government should send an envoy to north korea to help secure the americans release, like bill clinton? what do you think. >> i think the message has been consistent throughout. kenneth cannot be released on his own. he needs help and intervention of the united states government. i'm not sure exactly who or what it will take. i think that's been the message all along. we implore the u.s. government to give the case the urgency that it deserves right now, to engage in a conversation that
will bring him home. >> you've been working so hard to secure your brother's release. were you surprised that cnn was granted access to your brother? >> yes, very much. i did not expect to see that. >> why do you think the north korean government allowed us to talk with kenneth? >> i'm not sure. it seems like the other americans are going to trial soon. i'm not sure if that's related. i think there is renewed urgency and hopefully an opening that i hope will bring about opportunities for conversation between the two governments. >> have you heard -- >> that's what we've been waiting for. >> have you heard anything at all from the president of the united states or other high ranking government officials? >> no, i have not heard from the president. we do communicate with the state department regularly. i'm told they are working hard behind the scenes but i'm not privy to the details. >> thank you so much, teri for
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north korea is holding three americans captive. two is going on trial. one is serving time in a labor camp and suddenly will ripley was granted access to all three men. five-minute interview for each. all of them pleaded for their release and said they were being treated very well by the north koreans. here now is professor armstrong at columbia university. did you find this as extraordinary as i did? >> this is pretty amazing that north korea would suddenly allow a major american news agency to talk to these three people who have been largely incommunicado. >> what do they want? >> they are trying to send a message to the u.s. first of all, they want to show these people are being treated well but they are following their own laws by detaining
these people who violated them. i think beyond that, there's an interest in improving relations with the u.s. >> this is a great way to improve relations with the united states? >> well, yes. i mean, to say that here your people are and we can talk about this. >> so, the united states is not ---le with, i shouldn't say this because i don't know but as of right now it's unlikely that the united states will send an envoy in the form of bill clinton or bill richardson to secure these americans release. north korea has to agree to certain things before the united states will actually send someone to talk to them face-to-face. do you think that might change? >> i think it moves the conversation forward. it's not clear what the u.s. will do in response but at least the north kraens are indicating that they are willing to talk about this and they are willing to have their people, the americans detained there reach out to their families.
>> let's say the united states government says sure, we'll send an envoy talk to you face to face to secure these americans' release. what would the north koreans give up? >> that's something that we would have to discuss. the u.s. will certainly not send an envoy without precautions. they will say you would have to do something about your nuclear program, your military provocations and talk about human rights, we'll see what goes on publicly and behind the scenes as this goes forward. this is one of most positive signals in their own way that the north koreans have done for a long time. we have to go to london because there is -- because the british prime minister david cameron is going to address his parliament at any time now. at issue, isis. cameron will announce a major
crackdown of home grown extremists. british citizens who go to fight for the islamic state will be banned from coming home. >> we're waiting to see. david cameron has been locked in discussions over the weekend and today, so we still don't know what he's going to announce later on today. if you take as an example the point that you just made. there is an idea to stop british jihadis coming back to the u.k. if they have been to syria and iraq. if they find out they have been to syria and iraq, they have been radicalized they are on the way back, david cameron wants to find some sort of way of stopping them to come back. the problem you've got to stripping them of their passports and making them stateless, which is against international law. he's also in discussion with lawyers and coalition partners
who are very strong on civil liberties. they are very concerned about under mining british civil liberties. what you've got here is a complex big debate which is a compromise between security and liberty. david cameron has been stung on this before. the first day that members of parliament are back here and he's coming to back here in half an hour and discuss it in parliament, he's going to have to come up with some concern to present. some are concerned these will be watered down because of negotiations. the british public does want action against isis. >> i'm just curious because here in the united states, there are calls for harsher military action against isis and iraq and syria. are there any calls in britain for that too? >> well, you may remember that there was a vote here not long ago about backing u.s. military action in syria.
david cameron was very much behind barack obama on that but he was voted down here and that's very much in everyone's memories. so going down that path again is something that daf dave -- david cameron is very apprehensive about. polls do suggest that public opinion is for action against isis. so's going to take some steps toward that, he's going to have to measure along the way. first step is dealing with jihadists coming back here in the u.k. all sorts of proposals he may have come up this afternoon. he may consider backing any potential american action in syria if he gets those through. >> stand down for just a few minutes because we're going to be checking back with you when the prime minister addresses parliament. in ukraine, pro russian rebels making significant
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pro russian rebels. today, they took over a critical air field in southeastern ukraine, right after ukrainian forces just stopped fighting and retreated. on sunday, a ukrainian patrol boat came under fire and was sunk. all of these significant blows to ukrainian forces who appear to be in deep trouble. in southeastern ukraine, fresh remnants of a battle where pro russian rebels routed ukrainian forces to take back full control of a town. the retreat was swift. leaving behind the wreckage of war and another town in shambles. it's the latest triumph in a counteroffensive. ukrainian soldiers encircled or on the run. two weeks ago, it was ukrainian forces dominating the fight,
pushing east, taking rebel stronghol strongholds. kiev said the onslaught is backed by russian troops and weaponry. the next step could be mariuopol, a port city. >> russia has come, invaded with thousands of troops with missiles and tanks. this is no longer a question of separatists. this is a direct invasion by russia. we must recognize that. >> ukrainian forces raced to bolsster defense lines. the rebels were in wait for an attack. the europe union says call off
separatists or thanking more sanctions. vladimir putin called for talks on the statehood of eastern ukraine. putin's comments raises the stakes in a conflict that's rapidly intensifying. and in the coming hours, we'll be watching closely the port city of mariupol to see if pro russian rebels move in. if that happens, expect a fight. in the meantime, there's a meeting for securing cooperation. no indication that that's going to happen any time soon. >> all right. thank you. still to come in the "newsroom," the british prime minister expected to address parliament any moment now. on the agenda, tough new
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thanks so much for joining me. at any moment now we're going to hear from british prime minister david cameron. so british citizens who fight for the islamic state could be banned from coming home, and those citizens who are suspended terrorism could be stripped of their passports. erin mclaughlin and max foster are in london. michelle kosinski is he white house. welcome to all of you. i appreciate it. i want to start with you, max foster. tell us what's going on in parliament right now. >> david cameron has just arrived, so he's on time. he's going to present his response really to that heightened terror alert level they announced last week. he's up against it though because what he wants to do is stop jihadis, british jihadis from returning to the u.k. from
iraq and syria. it's not as simple as that. you are effectively taking away someone's statehood which is illegal in international law. debates with partners in the coalition over the weekend, but also lots of conversations with lawyers to see what's possible, when he's tried this in the past, the courts blocked many of his proposals and he's going to present what is a compromise to the particle men in the next half hour. be very interesting to see how tough he's able to be on british jihadis. >> it will be interesting to see. erin mclaughlin, i want to go to you now. where are the british citizens on this? what do they want? >> i think there's some british citizens who are concerned. any time you hear from your government that a terrorist attack is highly likely, well, that's alarming language, but i think there is some british
citizens who are skeptical. they think that the government is simply trying to scare the general population into support for these broader counterterrorism powers. so there's a really healthy debate playing out here in britain at present between the need to protect civil liberties and the need to counterterrorism. >> i'm sorry. they just called the prime minister in. so let's listen for a second. >> on the measures we're taking to defeat extremism and to keep your country safe. first on the counsel, we agreed that poland's prime minister should serve as president. he made clear in his acceptance speech that he faces a high priority on addressing his concerns over the e.u. i look forward to working with him in his new role.
the situations in ukraine, gaza and the growing threat of isil in iraq and syria and i want to discuss each. the presence of russian soldiers on ukrainian soil is completely unjustified and unacceptable. i met with president poroshenko before the counsel on saturday and with our support, he's invited to address the council. the real cause of this is russia's refusal to recognize ukraine's sovereignty. russia appears to be trying to force ukraine no abandon its democratic choices at a barrel of a gun. in the last two weeks we've seen a dramatic stepping up of russian military support to the separatists in eastern ukraine, including russian troops fighting on the ground. mr. speaker, we know from european history the grave danger of a nation state being threatened and under mined in
this way. the council is clear that new sanctions measures will be drawn up within a week and mr. speaker i don't accept the suggestion that sanctions are not having an impact. capital that's flown out of russia. bank are short of finance and the russian stock market and ruble have fallen significantly. we have to show real resill yans and resolve. they need to understand that their relationship with the world will be radically different in the future. turning to gaza, the government has work hard with our international partners to help bring about a sustainable cease-fire we welcome the agreement reached in cairo. the loss of life this summer has been truly appalling and the number of civilian casualties
completely unacceptable. the life of a palestinian child is worth the life of a child in any one of our nations. the support of a lasting settlement, does not mean we accept hams. we will continue support israel and the right to defend itself. most recently, the proepgs of nearly a thousand acres of land in the west bank near bethlehem is utterly deplorible. we urge the israeli government to reverse this discussion. mr. speaker, while i understand the many strong emotions around this tragic conflict, i am deeply concerned about growing reports of anti semitism on our own streets in britain.
we must not tolerate this in our country. no disagreement on policies or policy should justify it. turning to the terrorist threat we face here in the u.k., we have all been shocked and sickened by what we've witnessed in iraq this summer. the widespread slaughter of muslims by fellow muslims, the persecution of christian minorities, and yazidis. and of course the beheading of the american journalist james foley with the voice of what appears to be a voice of a british terrorist. the european council that the islamic extremism on which it is based is a direct threat to every european country. on friday, the independent joint terrorism analyst center
increased the threat level in united kingdom from substantial to severe. we now believe that at least 500 people have traveled from britain to fight in the region. this is in addition to 700 from france, 400 from germany, and hundreds more from countries including america, canada, austria, denmark, spain, sweden, belgium, the netherlands. we should be clear about the root cause of this threat. a poisonous ideology of islamic extremism which believes in using the most brutal forms of terrorism to force people to accept a warped world view and to live in a medieval state. we should be clear that this is nothing to do with islam. which is a religion peacefully observed by over a billion people and one inspires
countless acts of kindness every day. to confront the threat the islamic extremism, we need a tough, intelligent comprehensive approach to defeat the terrorist threat at its source. we must use all resources at our disposal. we need a firm security response with a military action to go after terrorists, international cooperation on intelligence, uncompromising action against terrorists at home. britain is already providing equipment directly to occurredish forces -- kurdish forces. we've secured a united nations' security council resolution to disrupt the flows of finance to isil to sanction those who are seeking to recruit to isil and to encourage countries to do all they can to prevent fighters joining the extremist cause. we know that terrorist organizations thrive where there is political instability and weak or dysfunctional
institutions so we must support the building blocks of free and open societies. in syria it must mean a political transition and an end to assad's brutality which has allowed isil to flourish. the nato summit in wales this week will provide an opportunity for us to review theesque i haveness of the international response so far and discuss what more we should do to help the region overcome the isil threat. britain will further review our role in the process. mr. speaker, let me turn to how we address the terrorist threat at home. we have already taken a wide range of measures, including stopping suspects from traveling to the region by seizing passports, barring foreign nationals from reentering the united kingdom, legislating so
that we can prosecute people for all terrorist activity een where that activity takes place overseas and bringing forward emergency legislation, for instance, to safeguard our use of communications data. we've also stepped up our operational response with a five fold increase in syria-related arrests, the removal of 28,000 pieces of extremist material from the internet this year alo alone. i've said all along there should not be a knee-jerk reaction or the introduction of blanket powers. they want a targeted approach that reflects a forensic focus on the threat we face and protects the operation, independence, and decision making. to achieve this, there are two key areas where we now need to strengthen our powers to fill specific gaps in our armory. these are preventing suspects
from traveling and dealing with those here who present such a risk. passports are not an automatic right. the home secretary already has the discretion to issue, revoke and refuse passports under the royal prerogative if there's reason to believe that people are planning to take part in terrorist-related activity. but when police suspect a traveler at the border, they are not able to currently apply for the prerogative. we would introduce specific and targeted legislation to fill this gap by providing the police the ability to seize the passport during which time to investigate the individual concerned. mr. speaker, the house should also be ware that our current prerogative powers are being challenged in the courts. if there is any judgment that threatens the operation of our existing powers, we will
introduce primary legislation immediately so that particle men, not the courts can determine whether it is right that we have this power. and i can announce today that we'll now stop preparing the legislation and consult parliament on the draft clauses. we must also keep out foreign fighters who would pose a threat to the u.k. we do have important powers to block return. we can bar foreign nationals on the basis of the threat they pose and we legislationed in the immigration act to strip powers from naturalized citizens. now, some have said we should deal with this gap by criminalizing travel to certain individual countries or fundamentally changing our criminal burden of proof. it is wrong to change core principles of our justice
system. it is abhorrent that people who declare their allegiance elsewhere are able to return here and pose a threat to our national security. we're clear that we need is a targeted discretional power to allow us to exclude british nationals from the u.k. and we'll work up proposals on this basis in line with our international obligations and discuss the details on a cross-party basis. mr. speaker, we're putting our longstanding arrangements on aviation security around the world, with a statutory footing. they will have to comply with our security screening requirements. if they do not this, their flights will not be able to land in britain. second, we need stronger powers to manage the risk posed by suspected extremists already here in the united kingdom. the intelligence agencies and the police believe they need
stronger powers to impose further restrictions and independent review of counterterrorism legislation agrees. either through enhanced use of exclusion zones or through relocation powers. mr. speaker, dealing with this terrorist threat is not just about new powers, it is also about how we combat extremism in all its forms. that is why we have a new approach to tackling radicalization, focusing on all types of extremism. this includes stopping the funding of organizations that promote extremism, banning hate preachers and ensuring every part of government are all focused on beating this scurnling of zsh scourge of extremism. we're putting our
deradicalization program on a statutory footing. mr. speaker, we are proud to be an open, free and tolerant nation, but that tolerance must never be confused with a passive acceptance of cultures, living separate lives, or people behaving in ways that run completely counter to our values. it is a duty for all of those who live in these islands. we will defeat extremism and we will secure our way of life for generations to come. i commend this to the house. >> i think the prime minister to his statement. >> we're going to step away from this for just a second because david cameron brought up so many interesting ways to deal with terrorism within britain. i'm going to go to max foster first and i want to ask you, did
anything in the british prime minister's comments surprise you? >> well, there are four points that he really made. these are the big changes and rerefer to dealing with british jihadis, those who are inspired by what's going on in syria and iraq and have actually traveled there and come back. already, the british authorities can seize passports of suspected jihadis in the u.k. what was a problem if police suspected people leaving the u.k., they weren't allowed to seize their passports at the border. in terms of jihadis coming back, he is going to introduce discretionary power to exclude british nationals from entering the u.k. i suspect it can be a temporary
power. they have to ultimately belong to a country. two other things, aviation security. if an airline won't give a passenger list to the u.k. authorities, they won't be allowed to land in the u.k. and then discussion around controlled orders. he didn't talk about control orders. they have been so controversial in his country. often blocked by the courts. he is going to strengthen the power to stop jihad is from moving locational restrictions if they were. so a sweeping set of powers and there will be discussion around them. it's already started with the leader of the opposition making his points. quite a bold move today. >> i want to talk about the moves that david cameron suggested with ben ferguson and mark lamont hill. he's almost criminalizing travel for certain people. >> it scares me and i understand
the legitimatecy of the terror threat. when you start talking about blocking the right of return for british citizens, you are talking about denying statehood which violates international law. freedom of speech -- when you talk about hate preachers, banning hate preachers, that scares me again, because that speaks of censorship. >> that's terrifying. there is a lot more islamic extremism in the u.k., far more than we have here. they are much more outspoken people that are preaching hate in the u.k. than there is here. to ban it. how are you going to do that, if someone criticized david cameron or the government, you have to worry about that abuse if a preacher comes out and we denounce what they are doing in government, am i going to be
taken off the podium? how do you do that? do i get sent somewhere else? >> some people say that's an extreme case but what we saw in the after math of 9/11 was that very thing, a set of laws instituted for a specific purpose. >> i want to bring in juliette kay yam. david cameron spoke about these ideas, and said they would be temporary. >> it's important to understand that the legal background that cameron is playing in. the first is britain historically has had what's called emergency powers that have lasted indefinitely. that was because of their internal irish and irish terrorism threat. and so he's gotten a lot of criticism for that, and so it was important for him at least with these new and i agree with the others there, very sweeping
measures that he said that they were temporary. he's not asking for long-term rights or new rules. the second he's also working within the european union and a series of international laws and agreements across the european continent that are -- that are careful to support civil liberties, that are careful to support privacy issues and so anything that britain does is going to be challenged by potentially the courts and the european union and others, and so, you know, these were sweeping powers. he tried to put them as benignly as possible because of the background of what he knows he's going to encounter both in the courts and with the british public. >> let's head out to the white house and check in with michelle. so president obama surely will be listening at some point to david cameron's remarks today. so is heity -- sitting back going hmm?
>> is he considering acting because of this you mean? probably not. you look at evolution of these statements over the last couple of weeks and president obama delivered a very strong, some might say emotional address right after word came out of the execution of american journalist james foley by isis, and that was, you know, those words were sort of seized upon. okay, the u.s. is getting tough on isis. let's see what happens and the questions started what about syria, when is that coming. then the president just delivered the address the other day where he says we don't have a strategy yet. everyone seized on that one phrase, even though it was a sort of a targeted response to one question and many felt that the reaction to that was unfair. then comes this david cameron speech the other day where he's really kind of fore shadowing everything that he's laid out now. all of these get tough approaches in the u.k. i think if you were going to put it in sort of contest, which one of these addresses sounded
tougher and stronger, it would be the u.k. prime minister. this isn't a great comparison. the threat faced by the u.k. is different in many ways that we don't have to list here, than the threat faced by the u.s. we're talking about potential military action here which by the way cameron also addressed in this speech just now. so the u.s. going to react based on some kind of p.r. pressure when we're dealing with something so serious? no, absolutely not. but is there pressure to appear in control and on top of things and taking this seriously? sure, carol. >> i know, because i was just talking to ben and mark lamont hill, it's kind of embarrassing because our lawmakers and the president are nowhere to be found. david cameron is talking to parliament and they are putting his feet to the fire. >> i think part of what you saw of that poll number that we saw up there. there's a lot of people saying president obama are you going to come out and talk in a tough way toward isis or are they going to
be able to continue with being successful with us being timid and pulling back? david cameron, there's no doubt that he is focused on isis as a threat to the people in that country and i think that will play well with the people of the u.k., especially since the threat there is so real. >> i got to hold off on your comment, we'll listen to the to on the other side of break. we'll be right back. and back when i wasn't eating right, she got me drinking boost. it's got a great taste, and it helps give me the nutrition i was missing. helping me stay more like me. [ female announcer ] boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. all with a delicious taste. grandpa! [ female announcer ] stay strong, stay active with boost. then you'll know how uncomfortable it can be. [ crickets chirping ]
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terrorists, among them that u.k. passports are not an automatic right and the government will provide u.k. police with a temporary power to seize a passport at the border while a person is being investigated. they don't even have to be sure that the person is a terrorist. of course, britain seems to be very concerned about home grown terrorism and about british citizens who go over seas to fight for the islamic state coming back to their country. the united states does not seem to be as concerned as britain and mark lamont hill, before the break you were saying that -- >> they have reason not to be as concerned as the u.k. is. you saw 500 britons with passports who may be going in and out training, getting sort of radicalized training. that's not happening in the united states yet. it doesn't mean it's not a threat. the bigger point i was making is david cameron is performing toughness. he's giving a performance what a
tough leader is to look tough in the face of terror. i'm not sure if it's -- >> i don't think he's trying to look tough. i think he really believe the threat of isis into his kpri is this real, this much in his face and it is very legitimate at this point in time. and you never get credit as a leader of any country for the threats that don't materialize and not successful. you only get blamed when it looks like you didn't do enough to stop a threat. i think david cameron releases with 500 plus passports that they know about and as much radicalism there is inside the u.k., he has to make it clear this is the line we're drawing. >> at what expense? >> it's going to be debated. >> it comes at the expense of international law and civil liberties. we have a problem here. i saw at least two problems in
his speech today. >> let's talk about military action. he sort of touched on it. i want to go out to london to check in with erin mclaughlin. isis is strong in iraq and in syria. the british prime minister doesn't really address that. >> no, but we have heard regarding military options, we did hear from the british defense minister -- defense secretary over the weekend saying that britain has not been asked by the u.s. forces to support air strikes and that if they were asked, they would consider that option. they are helping to support the situation in iraq in a number of different ways, include of providing aid as well as providing transport for weapons from eastern europe to help kurdish forces in northern iraq, carol. >> max foster i have 30 seconds. last word. max foster just left. so he doesn't get the final word. it's up to you guys.
ben and mark. >> we have to be very careful. right now we are essentially acting as iran's air force in iraq and we're essentially an aide to assad in iraq. >> i think at some point president obama has to make it very clear that we're going to lead on this and not be so cautious from behind because that's what puts them in a bad place. >> thank you so much for joining me. i'm carol costello. "@this hour" with berman and michaela starts now. >> a cnn exclusive, desperate pleas from three americans held in north korea. what will the u.s. do to bring these men back home? >> cracking down on the isis threat at home, the u.k. has a new plan to deal with the militants in its midst. could the british prime minister's plan here work here in the u.s. too? too cautious? what is the