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so many crises, so little time. "@this hour," president obama prepares for a crucial trip overseas, can he reassure allies that the united states is ready, willing able to deal with russia and isis? >> washington wasting no time dealing with a different threat.
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u.s. drones believed to have attacked terrorists in somalia. and we're going to look at how you can protect yourself after hollywood photos hacked. great to see you today. i'm john berman. >> i'm michaela pereira. those stories and much more ahead at this hour. president obama is getting set to head across the atlantic and face a world of turmoil on the other side, from russian aggression in the ukraine and isis and syria and iraq. >> he's going to show balkan neighbors they will not face ukraine's fate. nato plans to create a new force designed to respond to threats in europe within 48 hours. lots to talk about with our
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white house correspondent michelle kosinski. what message did the president want to send and what actions does he want to leave europe having accomplished? >> protection and reassurance. it's all about that and it's strange. less than a year ago, we were all talking about how nato had an identity crisis. there was a nato summit in 2012 in chicago but do any of us remember that? how things have change with these two big threats looming. russia and isis. this added on trips to estonia, a neighbor of russia and very worried for very good good within. the president is going to meet with latvia and lithuania at the same time. the white house wants to reinforce the ironclad commit what is at the heart of the nato treaty and that is defense, community defense, and boosting that. we've been talking about this for months now, ever sin the
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crisis in russia and ukraine started, but more than ever, it's taken on this added significance, especially since there's talk been creating this rapid response military force. >> i'm curious what the summit -- what the thought is of how the summit is going to address the ongoing threat of isis. we recently heard from prime minister cameron of britain what they are planning to do there. what about the other nato countries? >> we know there are going to be meetings about this and both president obama and the u.k. prime minister david ram ron -- cameron in the last few days is saying how this nato summit is important to look at the response and what more can be done. >> i really do think this trip is going to be one of those where every statement the president makes or word that he's uttered will be watched here and abroad.
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>> while nato hammers out its response to the crisis in ukraine, the united states military appears to have taken some disease sieve -- desies sieve action in somalia. senior leaders of the terrorist organization al-shabaab. >> it has launched attacks outside of somalia. we're going to bring in elise labott. can you give us a little primer here on why somalia, why now? >> it sounds a little bit off, doesn't it, michaela? if you look at the crises that michelle is talking about, you have russia, isis. why are they focusing on somalia? officials are saying on that they can walk and chew gum at the same time.
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basically they had a tarring of opportunity and they went for it. let's take a listen to state department spokesman on new day this morning. >> we need to take on threats where they are coming and so without confirming any details, i can assure you that we have multiple pots on the burpder tam, in terms of protecting the american people and doing what's necessary to do that. >> that target of opportunity was a meeting of the leader of al-shabaab, an did i godane. we saw this as a tarlingt target of opportunity. it wasn't so long ago that the u.s. was having drone strikes in yemen, for instance and that could be happening at any time too, michaela. >> do we know at this time if they hit what they were shooting at? >> they don't know. they haven't even said really officially that this leader of
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al-shabaab was the target. in january the u.s. launched a series of drone strikes in somalia. the leader of al-shabaab was not killed. they want to be sure, they want dna evidence and such, that godane might have been killed since he was clearly one of ones targeted. >> what you said, they can walk and chew gum at the same time. multiple operations going on around the globe. we'll obviously find out more about this. there will be a pentagon briefing at 2:00 p.m. eastern. you can watch it right here on cnn. we are just getting word from saudi arabia that 88 terror suspects have been arrested. authorities say those men were plotting attacks inside the country and abroad. >> the details coming out of this operation so far are chilling. according to the saudi interior
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ministry, they were on the verge of implementing their plot. they were mostly saudi citizens, they also included three yemenis. this nationwide security sweep was a result of months of surveillance. we're going to get much more on this and stay on it. we'll bring the informing when it comes in. north korea sends a message to the united states, but what exactly is it? the pleas from americans held there and the state department's response. is the united states ready to negotiate with north korea? it has happened again. does it seem like we're always reporting on these stories, john? another fight over leg room on a crowded plane. why all the rage over the rekline? >> what do you think is right in these instances? >> i have an answer.
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here's a question to ponder, what does north korea want from the u.s.? that's what a lot of people are asking today after they saw cnn's interview of the three people detained there. >> cnn's will ripley got five minutes to talk to each of the men in interviews that were carefully managed by the north korean regime. some might believe stage managed. all three men did make remarkably similar statements saying they need help from the u.s. government and they need it now. >> what's the bottom line about your situation here and your message that you want to put out? >> that my situation is very urgent. that very soon i'm going to
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trial and i would directly be sent to prison. i think this is -- this interview is my final chance to push the american government into helping me. >> so the bottom line, your message about your conditions here and your situation? >> i'm good for the time being, but i need to let people know that i'm getting desperate. i'm getting desperate for help. >> what's the most important thing up to say in our final seconds? >> well, i do need help from the u.s. government, and my health is failing, and i've been sentenc sentence i've lost 15 pounds or more. it's been very difficult to stay in camp right now. so i do ask u.s. government is and people out there to really put effort to send somebody. >> okay. >> the obama administration says it is working to get these three men out.
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however, they are not sharing details or many details about what exactly that entails. >> earlier today, we heard from the state department about the efforts they say they have made and the roadblocks they say they have hit. listen. >> i'm not going to rule out options here, but i think it's important for people to understand that there have been a range of steps that we've taken. we've had an offer on the table to send ambassador king to negotiate and discuss the release of these individuals. that trip has been canceled in the past. we're going to do everything we can, but i think it's also important for people to understand we're not going to outline all of that publicly because our objective is to bring them home. >> joining right now to talk about this all is han park. he is a professor of international affairs at the university of georgia. thank you for joining us. i want to play for you a little more from the interview, this is the detained men pleading for help from the u.s. >> i do believe that special
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envoy need to come in order to resolve the situation that i am in right now. >> i've been requesting help for a long time and there's been no movement from my government. >> this is an opportunity for maybe bill clinton to come back and -- maybe george bush -- >> professor, what does it say to you that pyongyang was even willing to allow access to these men for interviews? albeit controlled interviews. >> the message you saw loud and clear. the united states is not responding to north korean demands or wishes, and that is simply to have a dialog and negotiations on the nuclear matter and they like to have some talks with the united states. they are reaching out to the united states. this is a tangible evidence they like to establish some sort of
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context and official relationship with the united states. the curious problem, the curious problem there is the south korea. south and north korea have always been what i call legitimateacy war, and competition. on the side of south korea, we simply cannot condone the north korean political system, the way it is. so it's up to washington. if we cannot tolerate north korea to maintain its force of government and governance, then the future of the relationship is quite bleak because north korea doesn't have any room to maneuver. it has to survive and its economy is devastated and it would like to reach out to the west in addition to china and russia. it has been doing that quite effectively in recent years. so this is a very particularly
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difficult time for washington to think broadly in terms of global strategy in american foreign policy and foreign policy objectives. >> professor, it seemed to me, we heard from the state department, the spokesperson was saying we're not going to tell you everything that's going on right now between the united states and north korea. the united states has reached out to north korea specifically to deal with this issue of prisoners over there. what type of discussions do you think have been going on? >> you know, as a private citizen, i don't know, but i have been working with north korea for a number of years. i know the way they are thinking. their mind set, they like to see us, the united states, to take that -- take them as a legitimate state. not just the south korea, but north korea as well, different but legitimate state. so that's what they want, and
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right now, what's going on, no one knows for sure, but low-level contacts in new york, for example, is very much likely to be occurring, and there are some issues of u.s. government, denial of issuing visas to north koreans. i think that issue is very easy to resolve. north koreans are accepting america as a tourist and other forums, even cnn crew was accepted into north korea, but we have not been able to reciprocate that because our attitude is so hostile toward north korea. that's what north korea wants us to think. >> can i ask one quick final question for you, the u.s. government strongly discourages u.s. citizens to go to that part of the world.
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one might question going there in the first place? >> i think going there is ill advised unless you know what you are running into. if you have any intention of propagating christianity or trying to force them or invite them to change their system and leadership and challenge their political style and so forth, then it's out. christianity is very -- they are wary about christianity. looking at middle east and so forth, so all these three men are detained there on the suspicion that they have tried to propagate christianity, to run over, so to speak, their system centered on the chin family. >> thank you so much for being with us. we pressure your time and teert tease here. if you want to learn more about
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the rhetoric this morning,
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white hot between russia and ukraine with both sides evoking language from world war ii. now president obama faces new questions about how much the united states should get involved and how much the united states could achieve even with more involvement. later this week, nato leaders, including president obama meet in wales to discuss setting up a rapid response fighting force that could perhaps blunt this type of conflict in the future. >> certainly things have been tough in ukraine. a lot of territory this week has been lost to pro russian rebels, including this air field in luhansk. russian president vladimir putin continues to deny sending troops and tanks over the boferreder to help the rebels. even though satellite images show them there. >> thank you so much for joining us today. >> my pleasure. >> how do you feel about this idea of an international coalition, a nato fighting
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force? do you think countries are going to be willing to commit their troops to this effort? >> i think they are talking about creating a rapid response force but i think that's really being directed to the concerns of the baltic states who also have large ethnic populations and are very concerned about how things are developing in ukraine. so i think that the formation of this rapid response nato force is really to address the concerns of the baltic states and eastern europe. >> the baltic statements wants this not to happen here. understand why they are so concerned given their geography and their ethnic populations. what about bob menendez who wants to provide offensive weapons to the ukraine military? do you think that would change the situation on the ground? >> i don't think that would change the situation on the ground. i think as soon as nato or the united states makes an open statement of offensive weapons, then russia will simply increase its involvement in ukraine and will say it was provoked and
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forced to do so in light of the actions by the united states. so unless we want to really escalate this crisis rapidly to an all-out war between the united states and potentially russia, i don't think we're about to go that step that quickly. >> we know the rebel leaders said this week they would support a sovereign ukraine as long as they havemomy. i'm curious what you make ferttle and would ukraine or russia even stand for that? would they be satisfied with such a solution? >> i think both sides are trying to find a way by which certain elements of autonomy are transferred to eastern ukraine, the question is how much autonomy. ukraine is viable only if it's a unified state. if it becomes decentralized and power is transferred to luhansk and donetsk, then it will cease being a viable independent
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country. there's a real small crucial step in terms of how much sovereignty gets transferred to the regions. >> do you think the president has any latitude now to force action one way or the other in ukraine or is he just a spectator along with the rest of europe right now? >> i don't think the u.s. or the e.u. are spectators. they have introduced severe sanctions on russia that are beginning to bite. obviously sanctions by themselves are not the same as the military action. it's not military deterrence, but they are having an effect on russia and i think putin has to take that into account as he formulates his strategy. it won't stop him. it will make him consider the consequences of his actions. >> the combination of these tougher sanctions, and this support for these baltic states, do you think that could be enough? >> the decision will be made by vladimir putin and it will be made in terms of how he
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perceives russia's strategic interests. the united states and the e.u. can show the consequences of those actions. it can continue to essentially say that strategic relationship between the united states and russia is over as was announced -- basically announced this weekend, but it cannot ultimately tell president putin not to enter into eastern ukraine. that is a decision that president putin will make by himself. >> ball is in his court, but that might be a scary court for the rest of the world. thank for being with us. ahead for us at this hour, from ukraine to isis to the middle east, president obama's foreign policy being tested over and over and over and over. so is he passing or failing or is it at this point incomplete? we'll have that conversation next. [announcer] who could resist the call... ...of america's number-one puppy food brand... ...with dha and essential nutrients
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east. >> what do you mean make of too cautious by dianne feinstein? >> i'm not sure that the problem is he's too cautious. he's not done a very good of job of matching the capabilities the u.s. has at the moment. the world is permanently dangerous. you have to have the capabilities. you've got to build them up before you start talking tough. i think the president hasn't always been attentive to the fact that you got to walk and speak softly and carry a big stick. >> you can look at osama bin laden, drone strikes in pakistan, even the situation today with the drone strikes in somalia, is that a fair assessment? >> if we're talking about tough
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as being hawkish and tough as using war as an instrument of foreign policy, i would say that president obama has been tough as george bush or anyone else. i don't think there's a lack of toughness here. they don't want the president to be contemptatit -- contempt plattive. i don't think boots on the ground in syria or iraq is the best policy. it's the worst possible strategy. he understands that. in the grand scheme of thing, history will bear out this is probably the right approach. >> i actually think almost the opposite is the case. i think the president has been pretty quick to draw red lines, to use force without actually having a coherent world view. i think when he recently said we're looking at our strategy,
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vis-a-vis isis, it's in the clear that we've had a strategy with russia and the ukraine crisis. i think there are many domains where the president's watch word has been restraint, after ten years of wars, i think that's actually very sensible. the trouble is that restraint alone isn't have a realistic and coherent foreign policy. you need to think about larger strategic questions. that's what people are wondering about. >> i think there is a larger strategic vision here he's only going to act when it's directly -- >> that's not a strategic vision, mark. >> mark, directly -- sorry -- let me just dump in here. what happened in somalia today, we haven't heard from the president justifying why the united states did this. how would you explain to the american people why this drone strike on al-shabaaab in somalia
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directly affects the united states and and isis beheading an american journalist would not be? >> when i say direct threat, the loss of james foley is a threat. i'm talking about a domestic attack. britain seems to be much more likely to have an attack. what happened with al-shabaab, we don't know yet. i'm actually eegly to hear what the president says about that. i think right now, when it comes to isis, i think there's a sense here that isis is powerful, dangerous, and needs to be contained, but the president doesn't want u.s. to be the leader on this. they want the region to lead on this. iraqis and syrians need to lead on this. if you have the united states on the ground combined with these odd bedfellows like iran and syria what you do is create a global narrative.
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i think that's a reasonable strategy the president is engaging in. >> isis is creating a state that is devoted to a brand of apoll ka lip tickism that's quite unique. they are going to be a base for terrorist activity throughout the region. that is happening. that is pretty close to a direct threat and it's something we need to take a role in. you don't want the united states to have enormous numbers of boots on the ground. there is a perception that the president doesn't have a very clear strategy. he reinforced that very recently and i think that's a huge problem. >> i think what we're seeing is some agreement on the minimalism here. this is an issue that will be very interesting to discuss. >> ahead at this hour, human trials for the ebola vaccine are going to begin this week. it's going to be tested on three
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the first human trial for an ebola vaccine is set to start today. this comes as the epidemic spreads at an alarming rate across west africa. half of the infected people have died. >> those are the official numbers that john just gave you but the director for the centers for disease control and prevention tells me that the actual numbers are much higher. dr. tom freeden is just back from the epicenter from the outbreak, he was in liberia, guinea and sierra leone. >> we've seen outbreak of ebola before. this is the first epidemic, spreading widely throughout country and many countries and it's spiraling out of control. it's bad now. much worse than the numbers show. it's going to get even worse in the very near future and our window of opportunity to turn it
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around is closing, but it's not yet closed. the crucial thing we do -- we need to do is to act fast. action today is worth much more than action in a a couple of week. >> why is the window is closing. >> what we're seeing a spierg of cases, hugely fast increase in cases that's harder and harder to manage. the more we can get in there and tamp that down, the fewer cases we'll have in the weeks and months to come. >> last final thought, are you hopeful of this clinical trial of ebola vaccine? it starts today. >> i certainly hope we'll have a vaccine and a treatment. we can't count on it. we know that the methods that we've used have stopped every ebola outbreak to date what we have to do now is scale them up massively. >> dr. sanjay gupta joins us now. and sanjay, you just heard him say he's hopeful but we can't rely and count on that ebola
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vaccine that's in trial today. give us a little more background. >> it does start today. there's going to be 20 healthy volunteers who are going to get this vaccine. the first one gets it today, second one tomorrow, third, and so forth. within three weeks, they are going to have everyone enrolled in this particular trial. what they are looking for over the next few months, really until the end of this year is safety. that's the first thing you look for in any clinical trial, to see is this safe. we know that the people who are getting the vaccine aren't getting the ebola virus itself, so there's no risk of infection to them to getting an ebola infection, for example, but they obviously want to make sure it doesn't cause any other side effects in the body and that's what they are testing. one thing i should point out when you listen to his comments, there's some bad news accident good news in his answer about this vaccine. he's saying he doesn't think it's going to be effective for the outbreak. that's the bad news. that's in part because the projections are the outbreak will be over before the vaccine is ready.
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there is still a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel there. >> sanjay, you said there's no risk in theory to the people taking this vaccine, of getting ebola. i do know there are a lot of vaccines you take, you get a little bit sick, under the weather, your arm hurts for a period of time. who are are these volunteers for this type of thing? >> yeah. these are -- it's a pretty incredible people. these are al truistic people. the first question is are they paid for this. there is some money. we calculated it out. roughly there's about nine visits involved to the nih to take part in this trial and they get paid about $1,700 total. that's for time and inconvenience. but they are not getting paid extra to be a volunteer. you know, look, people have all sorts of different reasons for volunteering for these type of studies. unlike a cancer trial for example where you have people who are hopeful that whatever the trial is could help them, that's not necessarily the case here.
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i mean, these are people who may never get exposed to ebola in their life times, so it's generally altruistic. they are a special bunch. >> thank goodness they are willing to do that. hopefully we'll get to meet one of them some day. thanks so much for joining us and of course stay with us here on cnn, we're going to have more at the top of the next hour, the cdc will explain further about this human trial. dr. tom freeden will be speaking at the top of the hour. >> ahead for us, jennifer lawrence, kate upton, victoria justice exposed on line. they say their naked photos were private but is anything really private anymore? how can you secure your information, your photos on line? when it comes to good nutrition...i'm no expert.
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my password, you could keep typing in what you thought it was. because of that, hackers have a way to generate common passwords and keep trying until one clicks. many people think that might have been the case. when we talk about these images, i should say, these images sell. celebrity nudes sell on the internet and the dark web for a lot of money. i spoke to michael who deals with celebrities who have been hacked. >> a lot of times, these things might be privately traded. think of them as baseball cards. you've got one, i've got one. they're traded in these groups. we may never even hear about it. >> geez. >> one of the most eye-opening things i got out of my conversation with him is these photos might have been surfacing and traded back and forth for months and years and now they're just surfacing and there could be many more on the dark web. >> these were celebrities. is there a chance other people who have photos, maybe not necessarily naked pictures but
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other photos, could they have been compromised? >> absolutely. what this does, this is a grand case right here. this happens all the time. this can happen to you and me. there are a couple steps you can take to just be a little bit more secure when it comes to your i-cloud account. two factor authentication is important. instead of signing into g-mail, i try to sign in, i get a text and use that code to get in. >> every single time? >> it's a pain but that could have potentially prevented what happened here. use a pass phrase instead of a password. you think, okay, i can't come up with a password that's a billion characters long but a pass phrase, think of a sentence you always tell yourself. >> john likes purple bananas. >> you can disable photo stream on your iphone because that automatically syncs to the cloud. >> that's a great point. i think the cloud is this thing that's out there, you know, you don't have direct control over it. so it makes you worry. >> when i spoke to michael greg who helps celebrities who have
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been hacked, he said, lori, i tell them to not upload images to the cloud. even if you delete them on many service, they still don't go away. >> he seems awfully concerned about this. i'm worried about what photos you have out there, mr. berman. >> i've always been nervous about the cloud and i have my own reasons. >> doth thou protesth too much. lori seigel, thank you. we'll talk about an airline passenger sitting quietly in her seat. she happened to be knitting. how does this scenario end with a plane being diverted? yes, somebody reclined. >> no, they reclined? >> ooh, they reclined. sweet! spicy! savory! enjoy it all... 'cause red lobster's one and only endless shrimp is now! endless choices! endless variety! kick it up with our spicy new wood-grilled sriracha shrimp and it's back: parmesan crusted shrimp scampi! the year's largest variety of shrimp flavors! so many to explore!
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all right. so you have the right to recline. but should you? >> yeah. don't you think? that's the urgent question we're asking today because of this. a delta airlines flight diverted overnight because of a fight over leg room. a passenger says it started when a woman who was knitting decided -- >> she was knitting, people. she decided to recline her seat. the woman behind her, well, she went off. >> delta says it rerouted the flight out of an abundance of caution. >> mark so good to have you. you are the man to talk about this. we know that traveling, my friend, these days, is working our last nerve. the flights are delayed.
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your luggage might get lost. there are all sorts of issues. you paid too much. we're not as excited about traveling. and then you get on the flight and the seats are smaller, you have no leg room. is this what is making people go off when someone reclines their seat? >> i don't get it. at the end of the day, it's my seat, i can recline it if i so choose. but i always look behind me to make sure the person behind me doesn't have a computer out or something else, i give them a head's up. that's a normal -- i think the challenge is the planes are full. so people are getting jammed into these planes. you're right. the seat pitch used to be 34 inches. that's the difference between the front of your seat and the back of the seat in front of you. in some cases, that's down to 28 inches. the average is 30. so it's tight. people get frustrated, as we see. >> yeah, the leg room thing is one of the -- you know, the giant problems with traveling. i dread it. i'm 6'3" but i'm not 6'5" i
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mean, you know, are the airlines begging for this kind of attention on the flight by reducing the amount of leg room, by flying fewer planes? the number of planes is down 7% in the last seven years? they seem to be asking for these types of problems. >> the airlines want to make profitable flights. they want to fly without incident. when you have to divert a plane, that costs a lot of money to do that. and it disrupts the whole flow. it creates a domino effect. that plane has to pick people up at the next destination and you've got delay, delay, delay, which costs the airlines money. i don't think they want that. what does the consumer want? cheap prices. by many jaing more people in, the idea is the price comes down, but since there are fewer planes flying and there's as many people, if not more people flying today, that supply and demand meant the prices were still high, yet you're a little more uncomfortable. but we're not really getting the benefit of the lower fares too
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much. >> that's the problem. the answer seems if you're frustrated, you reach out to the airlines, you find an airline that isn't necessarily cramming people in. because it's not the knitting lady's fault. she should be able to recline. >> i love the detail that she's knitting. it makes her seem even more innocent. >> i'm a good person. i want to fly. i don't want to get into a fight with somebody. most people just want to get from point a to point b, don't they, mark? >> you want to do it as cheaply, as safely as possible. the airlines have made it tighter in the back of the plane for certain seats. they really squeezed down the seats. if you really pay a little extra, they will give you more leg room. you get a few more inches of leg room, but you will pay for that. so what they're doing, trying to maximize their profitability and basically said if you want to be a sardine, great, we got you covered. >> mark murphy, appreciate you. don't think i didn't hear that 6'3" except you made a little
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earlier. we're all suspect. >> we want to know what you think about leg room. is there ever a right time to go bonkers if someone reclines in front of you? message us. if your answer is yes, i'm a little frightened of you. >> that's it for us "at this hour." i i'm michaela pereira. >> i'm john berman. "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now. >> 6'3". hello, everyone, i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." the ebola academic is, quote, spiraling out of control. killing more than 1,500 since december. before it's all said and done, the world health organization said that 20,000 people could be infected around the world. at any moment, the director of the centers for disease control and prevention is being

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