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>> who is going to make that sacrifice? very open question. >> we're going to continue the breaking news coverage. a journalist beheaded by isis. i'll be back at 5:00 p.m. with another special edition of "the situation room." our coverage continues now with brooke baldwin. hi there. i'm brooke baldwin. we have breaking news to bring you at this moment. according to an isis video released today, the terrorist group has beheaded another american, steven sotloff. in the video, which is entitled a second message to america, it appears to show the brutal execution of the 31-year-old journalist. sotloff disappeared while reporting in syria last year. just two weeks two ago, isis
threatened to kill steven sotloff if president barack obama did not back off u.s. air strikes in iraq. in this video, in the final moments of steven sotloff's life, he spoke directly to the camera and he said this. quote, he said that is he paying the price for u.s. intervention. sotloff's mother made a desperate plea for her son's life just last week in her video message, sotloff's mother shirley spoke directly to the leader of isis saying her son was not responsible for american actions in eye beiiraq. let me bring in a number of people and we will be digging in to christiane amanpour's interview. that said, i have athena jones standing by at the white house, national security analyst and former cia analyst bob baer,
an anna coran and karl penhaul. let me begin with you, karl. you have seen the video. i have not. walk me through what you see. >> yeah. just to set it out for you, a video of about 2 minutes and 45 seconds, very similar in style to the execution of the other u.s. journalist james foley a couple of weeks ago now also in the production of this this appear to have used two cameras. most similar, steven sotloff wearing the similar orange uniform that he was shown wearing in the threat to kill him two weeks ago and also quite importantly the apparent executioner appears to be the same man as in the james foley execution video. he appears to be the same height, weight, same build.
he's waving a very similar combat knife in his left hand as was the previous man. he's also wearing some kind of pistol or automatic weapon under his left armpit as the previous man was and clad head to toe wearing a black ski mask. the only thing that changes that is the desert-american style desert combat boots. he appeared to be wearing the same boots in the previous video. it does not appear to be filmed at the same time. this location is slightly different. this is on a lower patch of ground, not from an elevated position like in the james foley video. and also, it appears to have been a much windier location. you can hear the wind battering across the top of the microphone. one of the scenes from that also shows steven's body with a severed head on top of that body, brooke. >> and karl, just so we're
clear, because we don't know when this execution took place in conjunction with the previous one with james foley but again, it's that same masked man with the british accent. correct? >> certainly appears to be the same masked man, from what we can tell, the sound that appears on the video is also has been recorded simultaneously. it hasn't been dubbed on top. those are the things that we want to take a look at. but a very similar accent, an accent that linguistic experts have described to us from the previous james foley video of sounding like a southern london multicultural accent. brooke? >> karl, stand by for me. bob baer, i want to get straight to you. when we talked about the execution of james foley, and you can see the isis militant showing steven sotloff later in the video you said to me at the
time, worrying two weeks ago then about the fate of steven sotloff. >> exactly, brooke. i think as we continue to strike isis and i think we will, they will come back at us any way we can. they have a whole bunch of hostages. they have the ability to buy more hostages in syria. they have another american hostage, a female. as someone who has negotiated with these isis people holding the hostages, they told me that they are all europeans. there wasn't a single arab or anyone from afghanistan. and as he described them, they are psychopaths and they are cold-blooded murders and they will continue on orders to execute hostages. i don't know why they haven't produced the american woman but other than their idea of islam. >> when you look at this video, bob, is this -- i know its
audience is multipronged, right? obviously this masked man is speaking directly to president obama. this is the second time that we've seen this in these two beheading videos. at the same time, is this not yet again another example of propaganda, perhaps a message to other jihadis, perhaps a message for recruitment? >> it's absolute propaganda. they are putting down a stake. they are showing how bloody-minded they are. they are going back to medieval times. they killed military officers a couple of days ago, they have killed kurds and christians and so forth. this is the most bloody-minded group i have ever encountered in my 40 years in the middle east. it's amazing. and what is also amazing is their propaganda like this, they are attracting followers from afghanistan. there are a bunch of arrests in syria.
they are trying to unify jihadi islam and this will serve their purpose. >> and the fact, bob -- and athena, i'm going to ask you the same question -- the fact that he's speaking directly to the camera, addressing president barack obama, saying back off, leave us alone, alluding to those air strikes in iraq, no air strikes in syria yet, what do you make of that direct, bold message to the president? >> frankly, i can guess that they only welcome these strikes in the sense that they are very limited. it has not defeated them as an organization and they can characterize themselves as the replacement for al qaeda. it gives them status, legitimization. they may be psychopaths but they know what they are doing. >> this is a fluid situation, we're getting new information about this video. we now have the audio from this
masked man holding the knife. i don't know if it's before or after the beheading of steven sotloff but let's take a list sin. >> because of your insistence of your bombings despite our serious warnings, you, obama, your actions take another american citizens. just as your missiles continue to strike our people, our knife will continue to strike the necks of your people. >> the necks of your people. karl penhaul, let me bring you back in. i know you've seen the video. you've probably watched it several times trying to understand and hear exactly what this british accented man was saying. what did we just hear? what was the message there? >> well, the message there was that he was quite clearly or not quite clearly but in a fairly thick accent talking about the bombings of the town in northern iraq that had been besieged by isis fighters and the u.s. air
strikes had bombed some isis positions around that town to break the siege. he was also talking about the bombing of the mosul dam. now, the bombing -- his mention of the bombing of -- >> forgive me, carl. we'll come back to you. here is rear admiral john kirby speaking at the pentagon. >> number two, i know that we've all been tracking events in somalia last night so if you'll just bear with me, i'm going to walk you through what i can right now. yesterday at approximately 11:20 eastern time, working from actionable intelligence, using manned and unmanned aircraft, this operation was a direct strike against the al shabaab network, specifically the
group's leader known as ahmed. i'm not going to be able to provide specifics about the unit or the intelligence itself and certainly not anything regarded to tactics, techniques, and procedures. and it resulted in the destruction of that leader. al shabaab was responsible for the west dlds gate maul attack which killed dozens and
perceived allies a militant wing, al shab baub has occupied somalia since 2006 and claimed responsibility for the government workers, peace activists and journalists. department of state in february 2008, al shabaab has resulted in a loss of much innocent life. they've also continued to plan plots targeting westerners, including u.s. personnel in east africa. in recent months they claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing that killed a turkish national as well as a car bomb that killed members of the united nations convoy.
and threaten progress in the region as well as conduct terrorist attacks around the world. we're going to continue to use these tools at our disposal and, of course, the military to dismantle al shabaab and terrorist groups who threaten the interests of our allies and partner nations. one final comment i'd like to make on iraq, as you know, over the weekend, at the request of the iraqi government, the united states military dropped aid to a home of thousands who had been cut off from receiving food, water, and medical supplies for two weeks by isil. this aid was dropped also by the united kingdom. they conducted coordinated air strikes against isil terrorists in order to support this
humanitarian assistance operation and helped facilitate the direct delivery of the aid. while we continue to monitor this situation, we assess that the kurdish forces are in charge of the township. further strikes remain a possibility and, of course, but we believe that the township is under the control of iraqi and kurdish forces. as we've seed before, one of our core military objectives is to address humanitarian crisis. and where and when we have the ability to do that, we're going to do that. with that, i'll take questions. bob? >> the somalia -- can you describe the target as a single target encampment or single vehicle or two strikes and two targets or just one vehicle? >> there was one vehicle and an encampment. the way i would describe it is the way i laid it out in the opening. the strike was taken at an encampment and a vehicle that was at the encampment. >> so one strike, single?
>> there were -- what do you mean by strike? one missile? no. as i said, several held-fire missiles and well as guided missiles. there was plural in terms of the munitions dropped but they were dropped on one target, an encampment where a vehicle was nearby. go ahead. >> was there any evidence afterwards that anyone survived? >> well, we're assessing the results right now, bob, and that's where i'm not going to be able to go right now. i'm not going to be able to assess the effectiveness. we certainly believe we hit what we were aiming at and, based on intelligence that we believe was actionable, in other words, strong enough. we took this streak but i wouldn't get into assessing the effectiveness right now. >> do you know if anyone was there? >> i'm not going to get into assessments right now. i'd like to leave it where i did right now. if and when, as i said earlier
and last night, if and when we have more information that we can share, we certainly will. >> you said there were laser-guided munitions. does that mean there were u.s. forces on the ground to lase the targets? >> there were no u.s. forces on the ground. >> either before or after the strikes? >> no u.s. forces on the ground before or after the strike. >> was there somebody else on the ground that was lasing the targets? >> we continue to work with the partners in that -- in somalia and in the region but i won't get any more specific than that. >> admiral, did the u.s. inform the somali government about the munition before it took place? >> i don't have a tick tock on the notification process. but this is very much in keeping with the kinds of operations that we conduct throughout the region and in partnership with the leadership there.
>> do you know the somali government announced last month this operation in the indian ocean about combatting al shabaab and targeting their ports to seize off their source of revenue, was this in conjunction with that? >> can you speak as to whether godane was killed? and what do you think it would say about the groups -- what would it mean for the group going forward. >> not speaking about whether he was killed or not, he is the appointed leader of al shabaab in somalia. so if he was killed, this is a very significant blow to their network, to their organization and we believe their ability to conduct terrorist attacks. it's a network.
we understand that and we're mindful that there remain other leaders of the organization at large. you but he's the recognized leader and if we killed them, it's a significant blow. yes? >> more broadly, can you answer the critics who say that the administration does not have a strategy, does not have a counter terror strategy, a mid-east strategy, one that is good enough, is there a strategy, can you articulate that strategy for us? >> absolutely there's a strategy for our approach to the middle east. now, i can only speak from a military perspective and for the pentagon but we have been consistently going after the terrorist threat in that part of the world and not just that part of the world, as i just read to you. and inside iraq, the mission is very clear.
we are there to support iraqi and kurdish forces as they take the fight to isil. we are there to provide humanitarian assistance where and when we can. we just talked about that over the weekend and we are certainly there to defend and protect u.s. personnel and facilities. so the mission set inside iraq is very, very clear. the strategy with respect -- the military strategy also has been very clear and it's not just something that we just started doing. i mean, we've been going after terrorist networks in that part of the world for more than a decade with very good success. doesn't mean it's been eliminated but we certainly have been very active and very energetic. >> do you feel that you've gone after isis as soon as you possibly could? the question is, how good and how early was the intelligence that was being briefed to the white house about the isis threat and could more have been
done sooner? >> i'm not going to speak about personnel parties and issues raised for the white house. that's a better question raised to the intelligence community. but to your larger issue here we've talked about isil for many months now. but we've been tracking their growth and development well before they rolled in to mosul. so this is not an organization that we haven't been watching. the speed with which they controlled the north in iraq, definitely got a lot of people's attention and i've said that publicly, too. so there was a speed there that was certainly did not go unnoticed and this is an organization that we've been long watching and i think it's
helpful to go back and look at the couple of months. we're targeted on conducting strikes with very good tactical effect but long before that started, we upped our presence in the persian gulf. we've added more security assistance personnel in and around baghdad. we stood up two joint operation centers which are active right now as we speak in terms of advising and assisting and sharing information with iraqi and kurdish forces and then we have done numerous air drops in two different operations to alleviate suffering. so the military has been very active here. the other thing that we said, and this is not a small point, there's not going to be a military solution. ultimately the long-term answer has to be inclusive, responsible, responsive good
governance inside iraq to alleviate those conditions that isil can exploit for their own purpose. >> as you may know, the majority of the fallen fighters who are joining the isil are going to syria through turkey. my question is, how do you alleviate turkey's role in this? >> it's not my responsibility to evaluate isis -- >> i'm not going to answer a question that should be asked of the turkish government. what i'm telling you is turkey has a stake here. we understand that. it's an important partner in the region, a nato ally. the turkish government has concerns about foreign fighters
and they should and we're going there next week and i think, no doubt, this will be a topic of discussion between secretary hagel and his counterpart. >> do you think they are a helpful role? >> a helpful role? we believe turkey, because they have concerns just like other partners in the region, are expending their effort and energy in trying to address this as best they can. i'm not going to go into more detail than that. >> can you give us a clear picture of the situation on the ground at the mosul dam? why the united states keep launching air strikes at that location? >> because isil keeping trying to take it back. as i said last week, as long as they pose a threat, we are going to continue ahead and we are. >> secretary kerry wrote that he and secretary hagel will be
asking allies in other nations for help in this potential campaign against isis and syria. how much more can you tell us about how many nations they are going to approach, which ones, and what they will ask for in building that coalition? >> we are still sort of putting together an agenda here, phil, for on the side lines of the nato government. but you're right, they want to get together with some of these partner nations. many of them are nato allies, of course. i don't have a list right now. this is going to be more of an informal arrangement, again, on the sidelines of the very full agenda in wales. wherein they will try to get together and talk about the contributions that have been made by these other nations. and certainly to encourage others who haven't contributed yet to look at contributing as well. i don't have a date certain on the calendar, a time that they are going to do that but we are looking for those opportunities. and it could be more than one.
it could be that they have these discussions in more than one setting with smaller numbers at a time. >> can you give us a sense of what they will ask for? do they want partners like humanitarian, what you described earlier, somewhere in between? what will they ask for? >> we want partner nations to contribute what they are willing and able to contribute. understanding, of course, that they have domestic concerns as well. and their own legislative bodies to work through on this. and populations who who have different views on the isil threat. we respect that. it's not like going there with a demand or laundry list. it's to thank them for what they have been doing and encouraging them to insist in whatever way they deem fit. >> if i can go back to somalia,
you mentioned you were mindful of other leaders in the area. we have officials in somalia saying it was a senior al shabaab meeting. do you know of any other targets -- without saying whether or not they were hit -- were there any other targets that were at that encampment? >> we're still assessing the results. the target was mr. godane. if we have more information about others that may have been shared in that attack. >> just a quick follow-up. you said there was an unmanned and a man attack. was the actual hit by a drone or was it by the manned aircraft? >> i said manned and unmanned aircraft participated in the streak. i didn't say what type of aircraft launched these missiles and precision guided munitions. maggie? >> do you consider the operation to be a success and, if so, how
does the defense department define success when it comes to the islamic state. at mt. sinjar, there was a potential operation that the u.s. military was looking at and the intelligence indicated there were two people on the mountain that wanted off and the islamic state was trying to retake the mosul dam. i want to clarify what that looks like for this campaign. >> i don't know that i'd call it a campaign but leaving that aside, we believe the operations have been successful. obviously, as i said, iraqi security forces and kurdish forces are there now and are in control of the township. we're monitoring that. we're not taking that for granted. just like to joe's question on mosul dam, if we need to disrupt isil there, we will do that.
so far, we believe that the mission has succeeded and by and large because we got needed provisions to the people there. and we know that it got into the right hands and they've been able to sustain themselves with the food and water that's been provided. it wasn't just us doing this. the president has been very, very clear about, from a aan an anti-isil perspective, it's to disrupt their ability to put u.s. personnel in facilities at risk or to further spur more humanitarian crises. but ultimately, and we've also said, so this is to your question about success, the real measure of success is that their ideology is ultimately defeated and the only way that's going to be done is through good governance. there's not going to be a military solution to this. we're not the answer to isil
inside iraq. not the u.s. military. the answer is the ideology gets rejected because there's good governance, inclusive governance and frankly in syria as well. yes, ma'am? >> before this video was released today of steven sotloff's murder, was there any suspicion that he was killed at the same time as james foley? >> i don't know that anybody had definitive knowledge one way or the other. i'd remind you that we still can't confirm the press reporting about this next video and this potential new murder. so i -- i wouldn't be able to characterize it one way or the other that we knew. just leak you, we're trying to find out ground truth here. >> on this shabaab operation, was there any intelligence that they were plotting an imminent terrorist attack? was that one of the reasons why
this action was taken when it was? >> i think i laid it out in my opening. this action was taken because of the history of terrorist attacks and violence that this organization is responsible for and continues to be responsible for. but again, and i'll just tell you, actionable intelligence led us to that site where we believe he was but i wouldn't talk about the specifics about what that intelligence was composed of. >> i was wondering if you'd be able to bring us up to speed about the size and scope of russian troop levels, both on the border with ukraine and inside ukraine and, secondly, has the secretary had any chance to talk to his counter russian part about the escalating situation there? >> sure. he's not spoken to the minister since the last time i read it out to you which i think was more than a week ago. we continue to assess that russian forces aggregate along
the border with ukraine. i loathe, as i typically am, to get into a hard number but it's certainly north of 10,000, remains north of 10,000. more important than the numbers, the capability and highly capable and very ready, very close to the border, closer than we saw in the spring and could move literally on a moment's notice. in addition to that, we continue to see support for russian separatists and conventional and special forces inside ukraine. again, without getting into a specific number, i'd say in the thousands is safe. and nothing has changed about our position that that exact ac needs to stop. we want those troops pulled away
from the border with ukraine. again, we continue to see action by moscow that does nothing that increases tensions inside ukraine and spur additional violence. >> so we've been listening for the last 20 minutes or so to a pretty important pentagon briefing by john kirby. he said off the top and reiterated his point, he was asked about the isis video and general kirby couldn't address the situation. he said they are still gathering information. we know the intelligence community is working to authenticate the video but he did say, of course, his thoughts and prayers continue to be with the sotloff family. secondly, and this took over the bulk of the briefing, was the air strikes, the u.s. air strikes in somalia south of m
ochl mchl ogadishu. he said that they had intelligence that led them to this location, they took out a vehicle but he was specific in saying we believe we hit what we were aiming at but would not say definitively where they got the al shabaab leader and let me, if you're just joining me, we're at the bottom of the hour, breaking news as we've seen this video of this american journalist, steve s ven sotloff. we saw the plea of his mother, shirley sotloff, pleading with the leader of this isis terrorist group basically asking for them to save her son's life. we have karl penhaul standing by. he has seen the video. he has listened to the message
and he's assessed when he believes -- based upon mentions of the air strikes in amerli when this video was taken. we have bob baer joining us, kurt volcker, former u.s. ambassador to nato and christiane christia christiane amanpour. i don't know if you've had a chance -- >> i don't like to look at these things. >> i don't like to look at it either but based upon what we heard with the james foley video, the black masked terrorist speaking directly to the camera, wielding that knife, what do you know about it? >> i've been talking to a really renowned expert on this group and he said a couple of things.
isis had to do this. it has threatened to do this and its credibility depends on it actually carrying out what it says it will do. so, unfortunately, when james foley, our colleague was executed a couple of weeks ago and they paraded poor old steven sotloff in that video as well, they basically sealed his fate. and now they have done the same to another hostage, a british hostage which they may very well carry out as well. he was not clear and could not determine by the video whether or not the execution of steven sotloff happened around the same time or at the same time as james foley's execution even though a brand-new obama piece of sound was attached to the top of the video and they purported to be reacting to a president obama, we don't know that. it's a brutal, brutal
organization that needs to be confronted a the united nations have come out with separate reports, documenting their catalog, their ethnic cleansing and turning the region into blood-soaked fields. i just also spoke to the deputy u.s. assistance for the state who said that the president's challenge now is to gather a coalition to defeat isis. he focused much more on iraq. but the truth is, as we've been reporting internationally for a long, long time, isis has sustained its safe haven and has replenished and aided by its position in syria. that is where the heart of this devil beats and that is where the fight has to be taken. and the deputy assistance secretary was not going to be drawn on whether president would be moving into syria.
>> that was my next question. >> but most people are beginning to understand, very sadly, because of the evidence of isis, that what they are saying they should do now, which is find a moderate opposition, arm them, train them, get a coalition, stop them, they could have done with much less resistance two and three years ago. >> on that point, mr. ambassador, let me bring you in, kurt volcker. we know the president will be leaving for wales via estonia and the message will be don't leave the baltics and here you have, according to this isis video, the second beheading of another american how does that shift the focus for the
president and these nato countries? >> i think there are a couple of things that converge here. whether it's russia dismantling a neighboring state by invading it and and we have tried to play a role and tried to be limited in our goals in iraq and afghanistan. what we're seeing is that crises are eliminating and whether it's direct assistance to ukraine or putting together a coalition of european allies and allies in the region to start building a strategy of how to take down isis. >> i have to get a quick break in. i hope you're able to stay for a few more minutes, to all of you,
because i think it's important as we look at the global stage and the comments we've seen from the british prime minister, david cameron, and what we've seen from president obama. we need to talk about white house reaction, talk more about this nato meeting. quick break. you're watching cnn. we'll be right back. ugh. heartburn. did someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and are proven to taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm. amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief.
a second american has been beheaded. we want to stop and let you know more about this 31-year-old journalist who grew up in south florida with his mother, father, and younger sister. he majored in journalism at the university of central florida. he took arabic classes and picked up freelance writing for a number of publications, including "time," foreign policy, and his travels have taken him to yemen, saudi arabia, qatar, and turkey, among other countries and eventually syria where he was taken last year. with me, christiane amanpour. a little bit more on sotloff, just listening to his mother shirley in that video where she's addressing the leader of isis, sort of talking about her son and how he was so moved for the plight of the people. >> moved by the plight of the people, studied the area, the language, the culture for a long time and took himself up there
to tell the stories that he hoped would make a difference. we saw a picture of him greeted by egypt. he's traveled around. an ordinary man. a 31-year-old with ordinary likes and dislikes and he's found himself caught up, now deceased, in the most horrendous war that has afflicted that part of the world and this is the big fear now, on to the west since 9/11, isis, or as they call themselves islamic state because they have a state, brooke, they have a state, they call themselves islamic state because they've carved out a state right now and nobody has figured out how to push back from the parameter of that state
which some say is bigger than the u.s. state of indiana, some 4 million people living under their terror control and threatening us all. >> let's talk about the president because we know he's leaving for wales for this nato meeting but, as many people have called it the end of the cold war and the consequences of this are incredibly high. the stakes are incredibly high. he's going to estonia before he gets there. speaking of the president, the last time we saw him publicly talking about this, he was credit criticized over the statement he made when asked about potential air strikes in syria essentially saying, i don't want to put the cart ahead of the horse, i don't have a strategy yet, that's been compared to british prime minister cameron, yes, the threat overseas and uk seems stronger because of the foreign fighters from the uk. >> and from the u.s. as well. i remember the chief of police of the state of new york where
we are right now, the state of new york said one of the greatest threats to new york right now is syria because of the blow back from isis. i mean, this is a huge statement from the chief of police of the city that was home to the terrible attack on 9/11. so this is not something that is a far away threat for the united states of america. and whether it comes to the homeland any time soon or whether it attacks american targets, embassies, cultural institutions, other such institutions that are american and around the world, this is a very, very big threat. yes, the president has been criticized for those words that at that time he said after convening a national security meeting last thursday, that they didn't yet have a strategy. general dempsey said to congress, isis needs to be confronted and not just in iraq but in syria as well and everybody who has read the
newspapers today, the columnist of the new york times said today that he's adopted a note of defeatism. is the president consoling us or himself? it's like he's taken a monologue and it's rattling. that's a columnist from "the new york times" but his own party, head of the intelligence committee dianne feinstein said this weekend, i've learned one thing about the president that he's very cautious and maybe in this instance, too cautious. of course president obama doesn't want to create america to get into more wars. of course not. the american people don't want that. there's been this withdrawal from the world, from american leadership while the enemies, isis, takes advantage of this vacuum and created a terrorist state for the first time ever in the middle east.
>> let's go to the white house because we need to get the white house's stance. how is the administration responding to criticism after criticism of the way that the president has or has not handled this? >> reporter: well, brooke, i asked white house secretary josh earnest about that. it's not criticism just coming from the republicans who want to see immediate action and an immediate plan but it's also coming from democrats, now, as you heard christiane amanpour mention whether the president is being too cautious. i asked about that and press secretary earnest said that this president does like to be deliberative. he likes to take a well-thought out approach. despite -- he's bound and determined -- this is what josh earnest said -- to make the kind of decisions that he believes are in the best interest of national security and the
american people. he made the statement later this week they will be talking about isis with other nato members and, of course, we all know that the president is going to be chairing a special session of the u.n. security council at the u.n. general assembly later this month talking about isis and foreign fighters. the white house believes that the president should take his time to make a big decision involving any sort of military force. so they have given us no timeline, though, for when that decision will take place. brooke? >> the pressure is on and they have an stestablished state. athena jones, thank you so much. chri christiane? >> to athena's point, assistance secretary of state told me that the aim is to create a coalition. >> why haven't they done that yet? >> it takes time and they are trying to build it up.
i was there when the gulf war happened and they came up with a coalition. a political coalition of the entire world and they faced down sadd saddam hussein and this is a threat. >> so we'll talk about the coalition, how that's incredibly important, talking about this nato meeting. stay tuned. you're watching krccnn breaking news. be right back. tzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and are proven to taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm. amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief. your studied day and night for her driver's test.
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i was just talking to christiane amanpour about british prime minister james cameron. he said "i've just seen the news." it's absolutely disgusting and despicable." the president is heading to wales via estonia. there is a beheading of another american adding to the complexities globally with the pro-russian rebels and eastern ukraine and kiev, how does this change the equation when it comes to the meeting on
thursday? >> it's leakikely to change the equation. this meeting has been for some time. then dealing with the threat of russia, perhaps changing -- going back to the core of nato, a threat from the east, as well as looking at nato's future. as far as building a coalition to support, to get nato's support for taking on isis and iraq and syria, this main be discussed in cardiff but it's not front and central of the agenda. it's really come up over the last couple of weeks. and one of the reasons that finding and building a coalition is going to be so important for president obama and others, think of prime minister cameron a year ago. he could not get parliamentary support for intervention and air
strikes in syria following the gas strikes there. intervention in the middle east has become toxic for all of these individuals. they have to build a coalition if they are going to bring everyone with them. having this issue in the headlines will help that. let's just talk about one other issue here about where the islamic state stands versus al qaeda. the precursor to the islamic state was called al qaeda in iraq. at that time, the leader beheaded the american businessman nicholas burke. he was the leader of the -- and pretty much the beheadings stopped. what is different now, the islamic state is not being criticized by al qaeda's leaders. the islamic state is moving front and central to this jihadist movement and their tactics are only getting worse.
this is what we're witnessing at the moment, brooke. >> nick, back to your point about this nato meeting and how important it is to build this coalition, who jumps in first? is it the usual suspects of britain and australia but you need those arab nations as well. correct? >> you do. and there are stumbling blocks here, which is if you go into syria in terms of air strikes or whatever else to target isis, you are almost, by default, taking the side of bashar al assad. there are ways around that but these are the issues. certainly it is president obama's wish, it appears, to build that nato support but the europeans are in trickier positions. look at david cameron. could not get the support of the parliament for intervention in syria a year ago.
may not even be able to get it right now. >> right. and he addressed that from 2013. nic robertson, thank you so much. more breaking news, next. ♪ ♪ trouble makers. ♪ dreamer of dreamers. ♪ ♪ we are the y-a-o! ♪ (chinese singing) ♪ oh... oh... oh... oh... and never quite get over it.y. seven billion hungry people. well, we grow a lot of food. we also waste about a third of what we grow. so, we put our scientists to work. and they found ways to keep the food we grow fresher, longer.
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