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siness built for business. this is cnn breaking news. >> all right. here we go. breaking news top of the hour. as you and i are watching this all play out together, i'm brooke baldwin, as we are watching this little blue plane here, a live flight tracker, an unresponsive plane, a small aircraft. it has been trailed by u.s. fighter jets, cuban fighter jets and now in cuban air space. it is expected to run out of fuel at any moment. this is what we have, based upon calculations. sources tell us it should be running out of fuel at any minute now here. u.s. and cuban militaries are investigating. this small private plane left rochester, new york, earlier this morning. was headed to naplenaples, flor. but what began -- the mystery
here is that it didn't land. kept heading south, as you see. now according to this flight tracker, appears to be over water. the faa is now working with the cubans to figure out what happened. as i mentioned a moment ago, you have these two american f-15 fighter jets. they have also been trailing this plane. they are ready to follow the plane. once it leaves cuban air space. so it's been in and out. so it's a matter of cuban authorities, u.s. authorities trying to figure out what is going on. and to mitigate any potential damage, if -- if it crashes. we have our team of experts following everything for us at this moment. cnn aviation analyst, mary schiavo is with me. aviation correspondent rene marsh, our cuban based correspondent, patrick oppmann and barbara starr. rene marsh, let me begin with you and start with the newest bit of information, which is the calculations based upon fuel, and sources telling us this plane should be running out of fuel now.
>> yeah. that's the sad part about this situation here, brooke. we don't know why the pilot is not responding. but this plane was scheduled, as you mentioned, to go from rochester to naples. it's been flying, it's been in the air for quite some time now. we know from the faa that they have been -- that folks on the ground have been trying to make contact with the pilot since 10:00 this morning. it's now after 2:00 p.m. so it's been quite a while since they have been able to make contact with this pilot. so we know that they have been trying, and the pilot has been unresponsive since 10:00 a.m. it was supposed to land in naples at around 2:00 this afternoon. now we're still digging, because we don't know what is the situation inside of this cockpit. however, we have our producers, they have been poring over air traffic control sound, as well as other sound that is available and we do know what appears to
be from another pilot who may have flown alongside of this plane. we know that pilot described -- and, again, this is all based on radio transmissions, that they saw that this individual's chest was rising and falling. so clearly the person was breathing at the time that this other pilot flew by. but we don't know what transpired after that and why at this point. no one is able to make contact with this pilot. we also do not know how many people are on board, brooke. >> okay. and just again, to be -- to be specific, what kind of plane, rene, is this? >> this is, again -- we keep on referring to it as general aviation plane. but essentially is a turboprop. we know it's a seven-seater, a private plane. you're looking at a plane similar to that one there that you have on your screen there. that's pretty much what it looks like. and at this point we believe
that it is registered to a real estate development company out of rochester. still working to get some more details. but that is what we know at this point. we don't know how much fuel is left, but we do know that the time line for this plane to run out of fuel -- the time is ticking and so that moment will come soon. we know that fighter jets have been tracking this plane. fighter jets peeled away from it at this point, because it's no longer in usair space, brooke. >> okay. rene, stand by. barbara starr, let me come to you. explain to us as far as the u.s. military is concerned, we mentioned this, two f-15 fighter jets. i also saw that the coast guard is now -- the coast guard is getting involved. tell me why that would be and what you know as far as the military. both u.s. and cuban are concerned. >> here's where we stand, brooke. two u.s. f-15s picked up this aircraft earlier today when it became unresponsive. they flew alongside of it, they
reported initially seeing a pilot slumped over. then the windows were reported to be frosted up. all the indications of high poxia. the plane continued to fly on essentially a straight line. the f-15s trailed it, but broke off before, of course, they entered cuban air space. that's 12 miles out. so the f-15s broke away. at that point, a cuban fighter military fighter aircraft picked up and started trailing the flight inside cuban air space. what we know is the coast guard and then the faa began communicating with cuban authorities about what was going on, what they observed, what they knew about the plane. telling the cubans everything they knew, because nobody wanted a miscalculation. they wanted the cubans and by all accounts the cubans do understand at this hour. they wanted the cubans to understand this was an unresponsive plane entering their air space. this was not a threat.
the two f-15s were not a threat. the cubans did pick up and were trailing the aircraft as well. now the question is, will it run out of fuel in the next few minutes over cuban land or back out in the water? what we know is that the two f-15s are now circumnavigating, going around cube j. they are coming around the southern coast essentially of cuba and will be ready to pick up any trail of the airplane. if it comes back out of cuban air space and back over international waters. but i have to tell you, frankly, u.s. military officials think the plane simply will run out of fuel before that happens. nonetheless, brooke, an extraordinary insight into a moment of cooperation and communication between u.s. and cuban authorities. >> barbara, thank you. stand by for me as we look at the flight tracker. you see the red dots, the southward trajectory of this plane. and based upon the live pictures of flight tracker, over water south of cuba at the moment.
patrick oppmann, tell me what you know. >> well, we have been hearing from multiple sources, brooke, that cuban and u.s. diplomats here in havana, obviously, as well as in the state department, have been in close contact throughout this incident, and to keep it from blowing up into something more -- turning into an international incident which is what we saw in 1996 when planes with a very different purpose from miami flew to cuba, drop leaflets over the city of that vana and shot down, hilg everybody aboard. we have been told the u.s. government has told the cuban government this plane is not a threat, and it appears the cuban government is acting underneath that scenario. they, of course, tracking the plane very closely. making sure as best they can it does not go down in a populated area. as you heard barbara say, now south of cuba, flown over perhaps the most mountainous, difficult place to access the
sierra mountains. but probably still in cuba waters. if it's just left -- just flown over cuban land. so even if the plane were to go down in cuban waters, still the u.s. and cuban governments would have to work together to find out what happened, to investigate it, to recover any wreckage and if that happens, to recover any americans who are on board the flight. so still a lot of work left to be done here between these two governments that usually agree on very little, brooke. >> to your point and barbara starr's point, it's incredible. here are these two governments, u.s. and cuba working together. patrick, thank you. and, again, let me reiterate a point that rene marsh made at the top of the show here, that we're hearing that these norad, f-15 pilots, now circling cuba and trailing this plane while it was still in usair space. they saw through the window of this seven-seater plane, unresponsive plane, one pilot slumped over before the windows appeared to be frosted. so slumped over.
mary schiavo, let me bring you in. because just talking -- everything aviation, since this is totally your arena of expertise, when you hear slumped over, i don't know the precise altitude of this plane at the very moment. but that brings up a notion of perhaps hypoxia. >> the facts reported make it very similar to the pain stufrt plane incident. in that case, what happened is the plane had gotten to altitude, but an outflow valve failed. and the plane depressurized, and in that case, of course, they were at an altitude that once it depressurized, there wasn't much chance to survive, because you have a small amount of time to get on the protective breathing equipment if the pilots have been trained and have it. and there it is a very similar scenario, the planes tracked across the united states, figure out the fuel burn and knew it would not come down in a populated area so the president never had to make the decision, norad and the fighter jets
trailing, never had to decide whether they would shoot it down or not. they knew it was going to go down in unpopulated area. same thing here on the plane shot down by cuba. brothers to the rescue plane. a huge issue about whether it was an international waters or cuban waters. so it's really important that the u.s. and cuba are cooperating, and they do have protocols for that. so i would sense it was already leaving cuba air -- cuba land. i would think it's in international waters by now and it's important to recover that to find out what went wrong and to recover the people on board, because it's a pretty new plane. i think its manufacture date was 2014, earlier this year. so you're definitely going to want to know. it's a combination french manufacture and u.s. manufacture, mooney. they cooperate together to make this plane. and we want to know what happened because things like this don't happen to new planes. >> mary schiavo, thank you so much. we want everyone to stand by as we're watching this breaking story, this unresponsive plane, smaller seven-seater turboprop
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♪ back to our breaking news here on cnn as we watch this flight tracker. it is just a tad delayed. just a heads up. we have been watching this small plane, seven-seater turboprop plane, took off from rochester, new york around 8:30 in the morning. a couple hours later people became concerned. it was supposed to land in naples, florida. and as you can see, it is now south of cuba and heading toward the island of jamaica. getting new information here as we know that those f-15 fighter jets have been flying around it, as have cuban authorities, just
based upon different air spaces, reporting the pilot seemed slumped over, reporting the windows frosted on this small airplane. and just quickly, one other nugget we have, this is according to barbara starr's reporting at the pentagon, there are believed to be in addition to the pilot, one or two other people on board. rene marsh, let me go to you, as you're working this with us very closely. you have some new information. what, about the altitude of the plane? what do you have? >> right, brooke. when you look at flightaware.com, which we often depend on for flight data, looking at the raw data, it seems like whatever went wrong happened around the 10:00 hour, which jives with what the faa told us. the faa says that the pilot stopped responding to radio calls around 10:00 this morning. so going back to this raw data on flightaware.com, it shows around 10:00 a.m., this plane dropped some 3,000 feet. we don't know why.
but clearly, something happened there in which it made this drop of 3,000 feet, around the 10:00 hour, around the same time the faa says that they lost contact. radio call contact with the pilot, brooke. >> so just to be crystal clear, when they lost contact, you're saying at that moment, 10:00 this morning, which was, you know, some four hours ago, it dropped those 3,000 feet. >> right. according to the raw data, again, on flightaware.com, around that time, around 10:04, you know, that is when we saw this altitude drop. and we also know based on that same data that it has been flying in a straight path, south, ever since. so once it did that drop, it continued on, on a straight path south. and now you're looking again at the live map there in which we now know the current position there as it continues to fly, of course. the issue is, when will this plane run out of fuel? it has been in the air quite some time now, brooke.
>> since 8:30 this morning when it took off from rochester, new york. rene marsh, keep working those sources as we follow what exactly is happening. david soucie, the author of "why planes crash", cnn aviation analyst. david, when you hear four hours ago at 10:00 this morning when they lost communication with the pilot, the plane dropped 3,000 feet, what's your take on that? >> well, it definitely reminds me of the payne stewart accident. and in fact, if there is fogged windows. the interesting thing about this is the fact that someone had flown by and actually seen the pilot may have actually been moving inside the aircraft which would indicate to me there may have been some kind of physical thing with the pilot as well, like a heart attack or something like that. however, that doesn't explain why the windows would be fogged up. as though it was a rapid decompression. so it appears that the aircraft is right now at about 25,000 feet. now, the area of this aircraft,
the tbn-900, has the capability of flying at a cruise of about six hours now. so the minimum flight time it would have, if it was fully fueled would be 4.3 hours. but now in this aircraft, it's a very new aircraft. it's been in play with the french military for many years. very reliable. it has a canada engine in it, pt-6, around in nearly every reliable turboprop in the flilt very jet stream. this is an aircraft extremely reliable. something has gone wrong that is not something to do with the aircraft, typically. it would be very rare if it was. it indicates to me there was some kind of pressurization failure. >> something horribly wrong. and you're exactly right, that's what we have been reporting, that one of these f-15 jets saw some sort of movement with the pilot, saw the slumping over, and then saw the frosted windows. want to get back to that in a minute. as i'm watching the southward
trajectory, south of cuba, looks to be -- this a tad delayed, this flight tracker. over jamaica. if it were to be -- again, speculation to your point about a heart attack, hypoxia, what have you, the fact is, the pilot is unresponsive. would you have autopilot in a plane like this? >> yes, definitely have autopilot. it's fully pressurized air draft. there is a service ceiling of 30,000 feet. it's used by a lot of corporate pilots. people who own their own companies that have the wealth to buy a $3.5 million aircraft. this is no toy aircraft. it's not a small airplane. it's small in its size. however, it has very good capabilities. it's pressurized up to 30,000 -- actually, this will go to 35 or 40,000 feet. so it's a good, reliable aircraft. i was just at the safety symposium a few months ago getting a presentation for them. and their safety systems, safety products, everything they do in this airplane is about safety. far above and beyond most other
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as far as what exactly is happening, state department is actually now commenting on this. elise labott, one of our correspondents in the briefing, just asking state about this. take a listen. >> reporter: two f-15 fighter jets under the direction of norad launched to investigate an unresponsive aircraft currently flying over the atlantic ocean. the aircraft had departed rochester, new york, with a flight plan filed to land in naples, florida. the plane's occupants did not respond to attempts to communicate. norad jets were used to monitor it. norad is in contact with the faa. they'll provide more information on that. we have been in touch with the two countries over who -- in who's flight space it went through, the bahamas and cuba. i don't have more details on those conversations but obviously this is an issue of security and safety and so we were in touch, as well. >> i mean, given that there are, you know, many issues of
security and safety, it seems as if you have the channels to the cubans that you can speak to them. i mean, are there other ways you can, you know, kind of communicate with the cubans on issues of national interest like expand that to other areas? >> we have, for example, regular consult it takeses and conversations about postal issues or maritime issues so we have a number of conversations with them with some of these mutual issues of concern. >> i'm talking about other security it interests. >> like what? >> well, i mean, other issues of security in the region. >> well, again, we talked to the cuban government about specific issues as we say very openly in this room. i don't have more for you on that issue. >> okay. and then do you have anything on a plane being forced to land in iran with a number of u.s. citizens? >> i don't have any details on that for you. >> have you -- >> i just don't have any details to share at this time. >> that was the voice of our correspondent, lisa laborato--
labott about this unresponsive plane entering jamaican air space. that's the latest from jamaica authorities. one of the issues we heard from the pentagon, these f-15 fighter jets trailing this plane for some time actually reported seeing the pilot moving, then reported seeing the pilot slumped over, and then reported frosted windows. that can mean a lot of things. we don't know precisely what it means. but it could mean hypoxia. we're going to talk to our senior medical correspondent, elizabeth cohen, on the other side of the break. talk about what happens to the body when there is a sudden lack of oxygen to the brain, cerebral hypox hypoxia. that's next.
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this is cnn breaking news. bottom of the hour. i'm brooke baldwin. you are watching cnn as we are following this breaking news. this smaller seven-seater turboprop plane that has been flying from 8:30 this morning from rochester, new york, was supposed to land several hours later, in naples, florida. and as you can see, based upon this flight tracker here, and keep in mind, it's a little bit delayed. that hasn't happened. this plane has continued to fly southward. we have heard from jamaican aviation authorities. it's now right around jamaican air space, flown over cuba. and so we have learned, too that cuba was cooperating with united states, and cuba is saying this was not as it flew through cuban air space, not a violation, not a violation of its air space at
the time. that's -- they're clarifying that are for us now. a couple points if you're just tuning n. we're hearing that right around 10:00 this morning, that is when they lost communication with this pilot, according to our sources at the pentagon. a pilot and couple people on the plane. we're still trying to figure out exactly how many people. but that's what we're hearing at this moment. 10:00 this morning, pilot's unresponsive. and that is when it dropped some 3,000 feet. so there have been some changes in altitude with this plane. f-15 fighter jet scrambled, cuban jet scrambled. got close enough to see one of the pilots moving. pilot slumped over. frosted windows. brings us to the question, perhaps could this be depressurized cabin, leading to hypoxia. and that's where we're going to bring in our senior medical correspondent, elizabeth cohen, to explain to us, as this is one possibility. and let's be clear. this is still happening. we do not know what has happened on board this plane, as thus far
it is still flying. but elizabeth, what is hypoxia? >> you know, brooke, i was speaking with a career test pilot who experienced hypoxia, which is not -- getting enough oxygen, both when he was training in an altitude chamber, intentionally put pilots through this so they know what it feels like and also happened to him on flights. and he said there are two different ways it can happen. if it happens very quickly, if you lose oxygen very quickly, he said the pilots would know it. you would get that fogging of the windows that you mentioned earlier. your ears would pop. you would feel cold. you might get tunnel vision, because your retinas need oxygen, as well. and you do have a little bit of time. you know what's going on and you reach for the oxygen mask. he said it can be even more dangerous when it happens slowly, because you might not notice. and he remembered watching colleagues in the altitude chamber where they lowered the oxygen slowly, and asked them to do simple math. and he said two plus two, couldn't even figure it out. but here's the interesting part. he said the pilots, they weren't
upset by that. they weren't upset they didn't know what two plus two was. they were just confidently write some number and at some point just scribbling. and he said they looked kind of happy, sitting there smiling. they didn't realize that they had suffered from hypoxia. and so the slowness of it can be particularly vicious. >> so let me ask you this. if this is something that some of these pilots in training are going through, is it possible that there would be this lack of oxygen for x period of time and then a pilot could come to? >> right. it is possible that you could not have oxygen, but then if you do get oxygen, you can recover. and certainly, if you're in a low-oxygen situation and you put on a mask, it's very quick. i mean, you'll sort of regain your full judgment pretty quickly. so you can recover. but you either have to get more oxygen, just, you know, naturally or from the mask. >> okay. elizabeth stay with me. mary schiavo, let me bring you in, cnn aviation analyst. elizabeth brings up a great point. and also just talking to david soucie a moment ago, talking
about the socata, this company. these are incredibly safe, incredibly reliable jets. i was wondering earlier if one were -- to have oxygen masks, but the fact that this plane and the pilot is still unresponsive, one would conclude no one is wearing a mask. >> or they weren't trained on it. this is a turboprop plane, single engine propeller plane. so, you know, you would hope they had been trained and they do have it, because this does happen. but many times it's the training that makes the difference whether you can get them on. and i think there was a very important clue about the 3,000 drop in altitude, because if the pilot recognized initially something was happening, what you would do on this plane with the glass cockpit, meaning a very sophisticated plane, although small, you would start your plane on a trajectory down, decrease altitude and start the plane to go down. i don't call it push a button, because it's a computer. but you head it down. and then in the meantime, what you would expect is they would call air traffic control and get
their clearance to a lower level and call a may day. that they've got a problem. and as the pilot was going unconscious, sumping over, that would suggest this hypoxia did set in and then he or she could not follow through with the rest of the flight recovery instructions. in other words, get the mask on, get down to a lower level, and by all means, call faa. >> so based upon everything i've heard, correct me, or someone get in my ear, there was no may day call, correct? >> that's what we're hearing. >> mary -- so then from that point, when you hear, you know, clues of a pilot moving, a pilot slumping over, frosted windows, what would -- what would create that situation? would it be -- i mean, that's really like -- that's the biggest question we don't know. what would have happened on board for the pilot to go down those 3,000 feet. would a cabin have depressurized
at that altitude? >> yes. and going on two recent events. of course, the payne stewart plane, an outflow valve, a valve on the plane that failed and allowed the depressurization that left the plane. and then another plane, commercial passenger plane, where the pilots only had been deprived of the oxygen. but that wouldn't be the case here. this plane is small enough that the cabin and the cockpit are one and the same. so if the pilots lost it, the cabin -- the people on board if there were any and the passenger part -- passenger compartment would have suffered an oxygen loss too. they most likely would not have had the same kind of equipment, if the pilots had the masks they needed to be trained to get on. this happened very quickly. if you have a rapid decompression, in tests they have done with the air force and others, sometimes it's difficult, even to get it on. you have to realize it ask get the thing on before your hypoxia sets in. you don't have a lot of time. you have seconds. >> mary schiavo, the more and more i hear about this, the more
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breaking news here on cnn. we've been watching the trajectory of this unresponsive plane that took off early this morning in rochester, new york. supposed to land in naples, florida. flown over cuba. according to jamaica, nearing or was nearing jamaican air space. and the last known -- this is what we have right now. the last known data from this flightaware website, from this plane was posted at 2:11:00 p.m. eastern time. so that was about half an hour ago. as we have been telling you, u.s. scrambled two f-15 fighter jets and so now we have sound from one of those pilots as they were trying to get close to this unresponsive jet and try to see the small plane to see what was going on, if they saw any movement inside. take a listen. >> i can see his chest rising and falling. i could see he was actually breathing.
it may be a deal where depending on how fast they descend, may regain consciousness once the aircraft starts descending for fuel starvation. >> all right. miles o'brien, let me bring you in. cnn aviation analyst here. that's the first time we have actually heard from one of those f-15 fighter pilots. and to hear first that this pilot's chest was rising and falling, what does that suggest to you? >> well, obviously, still alive. but the question, brooke, and i couldn't hear very well the audio. and i know you've had a chance to parse it a little better. >> yeah. >> did the pilot have his emergency oxygen mask on? that's a key question here. in the case of decompression, whether it's sudden or insidious, there is backup oxygen and a mask that the pilot is instructed to put on in order to stay conscience. at 25,000 feet, 28,000 feet, you
have between three and six minutes of what is called useful consciousness. and i have been in an altitude chamber. it's very insidious, because when you're running out of oxygen, you actually get rather euphoric. and you make very bad decisions. and you can't -- you try to do two plus two and you come up with eight. and so it's a real trap for pilots, especially a single pilot scenario. just last week, a sr-22, a small aircraft, had appeared to be a similar scenario, flew through the washington restricted air spas, ultimately crashed in virginia. so this does happen. of course, everybody remembers 1999 and the payne stewart flight out of orlando, florida. supposedly to texas. so this happens. it's a scary thing. and it's important for pilots to be vigilant on this. >> your point about the oxygen mask. that is precisely what i was asking mary schiavo about. because if you hear, first of all, if the pilot's chest is
rising and falling, then the next thing, you know, according to this pilot, you know, they saw him slumped over. you see the frosted windows. certainly brings up issues of perhaps depressurization of the cabin. but then miles, what about the fact that at 10:00 this morning, when the pilot was unresponsive, and according to reports, the plane dropped in altitude some 3,000 feet. would that indicate at the time the pilot knew something was up, was trying to adjust? >> well, i don't know. i am not putting much credence into that. what's interesting about this, and stay with me on this, is that if you look at the initial route, the initial route was what he filed his flight plan for. he was going to go to a place called taylor in southeast georgia, near the swamp and then gainesville, florida and then naples. his initial route was headed toward georgia and at north carolina turned and lowered altitude. what's interesting about that is, when he turned, he turned to an altitude that air traffic
control prefers pilots to be at an odd altitude. so 25,000. that's odd. he was at 28,000, a westerly altitude, which is the appropriate altitude for the initial heading. so was he given a course deviation by air traffic control? told to turn left and because he was turning left he was supposed to go down to that add altitude? that could be the case. in any case, 28,000 or 25,000 -- if you think you're running out of oxygen, you need to get down to 10,000 quickly. if he was alive and descending through as it ran out of gas, it's quite possible he could have revived at 10,000 feet as oxygen started filling his lungs and ultimately got through -- coarsing through his veins. in 2005, 737 in greece, the heelios crash, ultimately crashed with 20 odd people on it, but as it went down, a flight attendant was able to get into the cockpit but it was
after 10,000 feet he was able to get in there. >> i was wondering if the pilt pilot ultimately could come to. but the fact is, this red dotted line continues, and so far, unresponsive. miles o'brien, you are precisely the person i would like to keep talking to. if you will, stay put right there in that chair in our boston attitude o. again, the last known data from this flightaware, this tracking of the plane was posted half an hour ago, 2:11:00 p.m. quick break. we will be right back.
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. this is cnn breaking news. >> all right. now we have it. major development here in this breaking story of this unresponsive plane that took off from rochester earlier this morning. we are now getting word this plane has crashed off the coast of jamaica. rene marsh, let me bring you in. and tell me exactly what you are learning. >> at this point, brooke, i have very little information, just got off the phone with the faa, and that is what we know. we know that this plane is in the water. according to the faa. we don't know exactly where along the island of jamaica, but it is in the water. it has crashed off the coast of jamaica. we are expecting to get more details in a matter of minutes from the faa, filling in the blanks here. but this is what we know, that this plane is no longer in the
air, it is now in the water off the coast of the island of jamaica. brooke? >> okay. a in the water. rene, thank you. mary schiavo, miles o'brien, aviation analyst, lots and lots of years of dealing with planes. and mary to you as far as crash investigations go, tell me procedure. what happens now that we know this plane is in the water? >> well, now that we know it's in the water, the national transportation safety board will coordinate with jamaica. both have an interest in it. the u.s. -- the plane was a french and u.s. manufacture. the u.s. manufacturing part of it is muni. so they will be on-scene and coordinating with jamaica. jamaica is experienced in air crash investigations. american airlines went down there, went off the end of the runway about three or four years ago. so they do have experience. they will work together and it will be important. they know exactly where the plane is. not that they have to find it in the water. but they will need to first of all do a rescue and recovery for
the people on board. and then get that plane, because it's going to be very important, because it's a pretty new plane, fairly new with an earlier this year certification date. so they will treat it pretty much like an accident investigation in the united states. and i think the ntsb will probably end up taking the lead. >> in case you're just joining us, we are getting word this plane has clash crashed in the waters off jamaica. miles o'brien with me, as well. and presumably, the question what happened on board to lead the pilots to be -- or the pilot to be unresponsive and ultimately have this plane land in the water. but the plane ran out of fuel. what are your big questions, miles? >> well, i would like to know a little bit about how much experience the pilot had in this particular type of aircraft. according to the registry information, it's a brand-new airplane. it was just ferried over from france in february. and limited liability
corporation, which held the airplane, not uncommon for aircraft ownership, even for individuals. began its registration with the aircraft only in april. so this is apparently -- certainly this particular aircraft is new to the pilot. was this type of aircraft relatively new to the pilot? and was there some question about understanding and time and experience managing the systems on the tbm-700. this is a very high-performance single engine airplane, a turboprop, essentially a jet engine with a propeller. and it's pressurized. but it is also single pilot rated. so it requires a pilot that -- to be on his or her toes, and so that would be one of the key questions i would like to know. >> to your point, with the oxygen masks, what kind of training would the pilot have, would he or she have the time and wherewithal to put the oxygen mask on, depending what happened as the plane was flying along. mary schiavo, to you.
my question would be now that we know that this plane and eric correct me if i am wrong, control room, it did run out of fuel and you have this unresponsive pilot, how would this kind of plane crash? the actual trajectory? how would it have crashed in the water? >> well, i think what would have happened is when it ran out of fuel, of course, the engine would have stopped. and i think it would have entered in what's called an aerodynamic stall. in other words, the plane wouldn't have gradually posted down and made a skimming landing on the water. it would have -- when it finally ran out of fuel, it would have stopped having forward motion, it would have pitched up briefly, fallen over most likely towards the right wing. it would have fallen over, and then tumbled into the -- into the water. it would have not gone in gradually. it would have gone on in, in a crash mode. so they're going to be looking at a crash site, not a landing on water. it just would not have glided down gradually, and so it will probably be in a number of
pieces in the water. even intact, they don't float very long. so they'll be doing a water recovery. >> okay. mary schiavo, thank you. miles o'brien, thank you. stay with me. and just to be clear, getting confirmation from the control room, we do not know whether the plane ran out of fuel. that is one hypothesis as it took off many hours ago, 8:30 this morning from rochester, new york. quick break. once again, in case you're just joining us, we can now tell you that this plane did crash in the waters off of jamaica. we'll be right back. whenwork with equity experts who work with regional experts who work with portfolio management experts that's when expertise happens.
this is cnn breaking news. >> you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. we begin with breaking news here as we have now confirmed that this small aircraft has crashed off the coast of jamaica. let me back up and fill you in. this is what we're learning. this plane took off right around 8:30 this morning from rochester, new york. it was supposed to land in naples, florida. right around 10:00, 10:30 this morning, the control towers lost communication with the pilot on board and right around that same time, they're reporting the plane decreased and dropped in altitude some 3,000 feet. and that then led to the beginning of many, many questions as far as what was happening on board this flight. one interesting part about this, as we have been watching the southward trajectory of this small aircraft, it did fly through cuban air space. and so very quickly, u.s. government, cuban government, had to work together, had to cooperate. and so we know that that happened. we know that c