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tape.that had video joins us with claims that the nfl never even asked to see the shocking tape. and the money lead.yearly celebration of your current phone's obsolescence. but forget the new iphones. apple has something even buzzier up its sleeve. good afternoon. welcome to "the lead". i'm jake tapper. we begin with the world lead. top two democrats and top two republicans in congress are at the white house meeting with president obama and vice president joe biden. as we speak, it is fewer than 30 hours before the president comes in to your living rooms in prime time to finally reveal his strategy, to quote, degrade and ultimately destroy isis, the islamist terrorist organization that has brutally overtaken huge swathes of iraq and syria. earlier today john boehner said he's just as curious to hear the president's message as you might be. >> we have a very serious problem. what we need is a strategy. and until there is a strategy, there is no reason to talk about
any of the specifics. because i don't know how they fit into the broader strategy. so i'm hopeful today. i'm looking for a strategy from the president that takes on this terrorist threat and defeats it. >> but will that strategy require approval from those very same congressional leaders in the room with the president right now? maybe not. sources on the hill tells cnn that a vote on authorizing action is highly unlikely. we are nine weeks away from the midterm elections after all and a vote could be politically risky. president obama must decide whether to extend air strikes on isis targets in iraq and also to decide whether to start attacking isis in neighboring syria. the white house repeatedly said the strategy will not involve u.s. combat troops on the ground. let's turn to michael chertoff, former home hand security under president bush. he's now co-founder of the
chertoff group, global risk management advisory firm that deals with all kinds of security matters. secretary, good to see you as always. so you have called this the most threatening environment in the last 11 or 12 years. we've heard repeatedly of course that intelligence officials don't believe isis right now poses a threat to the u.s. homeland, the american people overwhelming think that not only is isis a threat, but that 71% according to our new poll thinks isis has members in the united states right now. how at risk is the homeland compared to 9/11? >> i think we're at risk in a different way. 9/11 obviously was a huge event. i don't think that is likely to be repeated. what i do think we face is an enemy that has recruited westerners, some with american passports, some of whom can come back to the u.s., they will be trained, they will be radicalized, they will be combat hardened. and they could carry out attacks like the boston marathon attack but much more competently and with much more damage. >> how much do you think that these -- well, first of all,
does that qualify in your mind as a lone wolf attack? intelligence officials say that's what they fear most. people who are trained in syria, are they lone wolves? >> i would not call them that. they mean someone who perhaps self educated and weren't off and did something. maybe the people in iraq won't be planning the details, but if individuals come back having been part of isis and carry out attacks, it will be part of a general program which they will have been launched back here to carry out. >> explain this because this is a confusion i've had for several weeks. the reason there are these very controversial nsa programs that monitor individuals and have all this data and data mining is to prevent this sort of thing. >> exactly. >> why is it that the american intelligence community seems to
have so little of a grasp on who these individuals are? you saw that there was this individual from florida who was fighting in syria, came back to florida, went back to syria, did a suicide bombing. there are other americans obviously fighting with isis. why doesn't our intelligence community seem to know who they are? >> a couple reasons. first of all, these programs are very effective, but they're not perfect. when i was in office, we used these programs to determine that there were people overseas that were connected in some way with terrorists that we had to watch. whether it be because of phone contract or travel or something of that sort. i also think frankly one of the problems is intelligence community has been distracted for months now with edward snowden and with all the push against collecting information even overseas if it might touch on americans. so now it's like a hot griddle. the intelligence folks are standing back, they don't want to get burned, and this is exactly the moment that these
are necessary. >> have you been told that or is that a suspicion some. >> it's just obvious from seeing the general tenor.some. >> it's just obvious from seeing the general tenor.?some. >> it's just obvious from seeing the general tenor. and i understand the psychology is that when you're up did ter attack for overreaching, you step back. that's where we were prior to 9/11. of course 9/11 happened. and then he we told intelligence people you have to be more aggressive. they were more aggressive. then we told them you're tooing a too aggressive. you have to step back. so you have to be clear that you're supporting the people you're asking to carry out the missions. >> you don't really think that the cia director or james clapper, you don't think they're telling people hold back because of edward snowden? >> no, i think that though in terms of people's willingness to go up to the line, in terms of what the law permits, at the operative level, there is a tendency to be aggressive when the word comes down we want you
to push the envelope. that was the case after 9/11. and then when there is a period of time of a lot of people hiring lawyers because they're being investigated, there is a that will tendency for folks to be cautious. and i think it's not a huge swing, but i do believe at the margin that i may be part of what is going on. >> last question. do you think president obama should get congressional authorization for this new strategy for isis or is it included in the authorization for use of military force from 9/11? >> it's not clear to me it's included in the authorization for military information. i think he probably has inherent power for do it by himself without authorization. if he could get authorization, it would be a positive thing. but here he's the most important thing. don't ask if you don't know that the answer will be yes. you'd be better off not asking and going on your own than asking and getting turned down. >> a lesson that i think the president learned a year ago maybe even to the day.
secretary michael chertoff, thank you so much. when we come back, the public disgust has turned a moment that they regret into a nightmare. well that's what ray rice's wife is saying about the release of a video showing her now husband punching her. and now ray rice himself speaking to cnn. what he told us coming up next. plus the future of technology all on your wrist. apple's latest invention. but if you want one, there is a little catch. [ male announcer ] ours was the first modern airliner, revolutionary by every standard. and that became our passion. to always build something better, airplanes that fly cleaner and farther on less fuel. that redefine comfort and connect the world like never before. after all, you can't turn dreams into airplanes unless your passion for innovation is nonstop.
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a video showing him viciously assaulting his wife. he says via text message, i'm holding strong for my wife and kid. that's all i can do. his wife took to instragram and lashed out at the media and others who have weighed in on this or deal writing, quote, i woke up this morning feeling like i had a horrible nightmare, feeling like i'm mourning the death of my closest friend, but to have to accept the fact that reality is a nightmare in itself, no one knows the pain that the media and unwanted options, we believe she meant opinion, from the public have caused my family to make us relive a moment we regret every day is a horrible thing. it was this video and the public backlash that often pushed the nfl to lengthen his two game suspension, but questions continue to raise regarding what the thfl knew about the video and when they knew it. joining me now to talk about it all, president and ceo of the national network to end domestic
violence, along with marcellus wiley, host of sports nation. kim, let me start with you you. you've been consulting with roger goodell about ways that the nfl can improve you how they react to domestic violence cases involving players. it seems to a lot of people watching that the nfl doesn't get it. what is your take having gotten an inside view? >> well, i suppose you could say i've been doing pro bono consulting. i'm certainly not a consultant to the nfl. >> fair enough. >> but my organization has been coupled for its expertise. and clearly the nfl got it wrong in their first actions. they have admitted this. they heard it from an explosion of reaction from their women fans who are now about 50% of the fan base. and the internet exploded. women were sending their pink jerseys back to the nfl. so they definitely got the
message that they had completely gotten this wrong. they didn't have to get it from me. and epg they' ari think they're to get it right this time. >> marcellus, the nfl for whom you you used to work with the cowboys, the chargers, a number of other teams, the nfl still insisting it did not see the video of rice hitting his wife until yesterday. now, you you played in the league. you know the culture of the sport, the dollars at stake. do you believe them? >> it's hard to believe them. it's easy to see that the nfl fumbled this issue. you're talking about a multibillion-dollar conglomerate, some would say monopoly who has controls and investigators, fbi investigators, people who when you're getting drafted, they will tdive into your childhood and know the finest of details of your history. and now this this hospital
moment when a public issue happens, an issue undr sder surveillance are and there was video of them outside the elevator, would no one would ever take the effort to find out what happened in the elevator? that's a hard one to believe. >> kim, janay rice's comments seem to have taken a lot of people off guard, especially people not familiar with the dynamics of domestic violence. she blames the media, she didn't blame her husband. it's even sparked a twitter campaign with people trying to explain what she's going through, the #why i laughed, why i stayed, women sharing their personal stories. what was your take when you heard about her reaction, her comments? >> i wasn't surprised at all by her comments. what we know about survivors of domestic violence is that they do whatever it takes to keep
themselves safe. sometimes it's leaving, sometimes it's staying to protect their kids, sometimes it's defending him because that keeps him calm. it's not surprising to me. nobody really knows where she is on this. all we know is that she is surely doing the best she can to keep herself and her daughter safe. >> marcellus, all the focus of course has been on ray rice, but there are two other nfl players currently embroiled in domestic violence cases. greg hardy and ray mcdonald. both men were allowed to play last weekend. does that indicate to you that the league's reaction was more about the video than the crime? >> no, it doesn't. if you're ray mcdonald, you don't want to be bundled up with ray rice. we've seen the video and those
are unique circumstances for ray rice but not ray mcdonald and not anyone else. imagine if you were that person who just wanted your due diligence and you wanted your judicial system to let you be tried by your own name, not because of ray rice or because of the wake of ray rice. and i think that's unfair. right now we're in a volatile place emotionally. everyone is saying a lot of different things. not really standing on educated premises all the tile. and i think one thing that is going on is there is a lazy connection between what janay went through is not a shared experience. i play with a lot of guys myself personally, as well, who grew up in a home with domestic violence who got to see that firsthand. and there are actual players that have been victims of domestic violence, as well. and that's another conversation that should be ahead, but i just
want people to know that if you see a male dominated sport, if you see all men on the field, if you see men in power at the nfl office, does not mean that those same men don't have sensitivity to this subject. i just want to make sure that that con gek chur stconjecture extingui extinguished. >> and it's a problem worldwide, not just in the nfl. thank you so much for coming on the show. coming up, the thnfl says i first saw the video yesterday. but did anyone at the nfl even try to get it themselves some harvey levin of tmz says nope. i'll talk to him. plus a wake-up call for congress? a brand new poll is next and americans are not holding back on their contempt for washington, d.c.. there was no question she was the one.
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americans approve of the way congress is handling its job. that's up from 10% at this time last year. but it's not likely to warm any hearts on capitol hill as the november elections approach. further, americans overwhelmingly disapprove of the way congress is doing its job, some two-thirds told pollsters this is the worst congress they have seen in their life times. of course president obama has poll problems of his own. his approval rating is at 43%. suddenly that number doesn't sound as horrific as it did ten minutes ago. dana bash has been taking the temperature of lawmakers today. what does this mean for the midterms? >> first of all, i want to know who those 14% are that actually think congress is doing a good job. because it is not unusual to see it low, but it is not a great thing when you're just a couple weeks from the midterms and generally not a good thing for the party perceived to be in power. you have democrat in the white house and democrats who control the senate.
so certainly seems to be worse for democrats, not just for that reason, but also because of the fact that democrats are playing defense big time when it comes to the fight to keep control of the senate. most of their competitive seats are vulnerable democrats, incumbent democrats. so if they're perceived as doing a bad job, that's not good when you look at the big picture for the control of congress. >> and congressional leaders at the white house right now. what are you hearing from them when comes to what they're expecting to hear from president obama when he announces his plan tomorrow night to take the fight to the terrorist group isis? >> well, they're expecting to hear a strategy, the kind of strategy that you've been hearing both parties demand particularly as they have been home with their constituents over the past five weeks during recess. mitch mcconnell senate republican leader said that he was going to press the president in private much as's done in
public for a vote, to come to congress and say, you know, this is a new kind of threat and it would be beneficial to have congress vote to authorize whatever strategy, whatever military action he is going to talk about. whether or not that actually happens, it's a big question mark and i think it's pretty unlikely that that will happen. and that is because as much as you're hearing that from both sides of the i'aisle, that congress's voice should be heard with a vote, there is maybe not as loud but certainly a lot of sources that i've been talking to in private say this is just not the time, we are two months before an election and taking a vote even on something that polls show people are very supportive of, taking the fight against isis in a morre robust way, any vote on any kind of military action is always dicey. so that's why i think we're unlikely to seat presidee see t ask for it.
and congress is only here for maybe ten more days. >> latest chapter of profiles in courage. dana bash, thank you. coming up, they say they could have saved lives that night if not for a spineless cia station agent who told them to stay put. next three survivors of the benghazi attack there that the night tell me about the man with the code name bob.
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the terrorist attack on u.s. government posts, one diplomatic, one cia, in benghazi. the fog of war of that horrible night has been further blackened by political finger pointing in washington, d.c.. but there are facts that remain irrefutable. four americans were killed in benghazi. and now the surviving cia contractors for fought to save those in ham's way are talking and they say more could have been done.rm's way are talking and they say more could have been done. september 11, 2012, attacks on the u.s. diplomatic compound in benghazi and then on the then secret cia annex there, killing u.s. ambassador christopher stevens and three other americans. in an increasingly dangerous part of the world, it started with a targeted attack on the compound by heavily armed militants who blew open the gates and fired rocket propelled grenades in to the building. a state department security officer at the consulate called
the ci after the a annex saying compound is under attack, people are moving through the gates. with a fire burning inside the building, and attackers storming the compound, sean smith took refuge in a fortified room, but they were overwhelmed by smoke. video shows what appears to be chris steefrp stevens pulled ou compound. he was treated but later died. the first u.s. ambassador killed on duty since 1979. but meanwhile, a team of highly trained cia security contractors rushed to the aid of consulate staffers, evacuating them to a cia safe house and recovering the body of sean smith. two contractors, both former navy s.e.a.l.s, were killed by mortar fire when a second more intense attack was launched seven hours after the initial
attack. despite the cia annex being nearby when the attack initially happened, members of the u.s. security team there say they were told by the cia station chief, a man they only refer to as bob, to hang back for nearly half an hour before going into help. had that security team not waited, would it have made a difference? could more have been done to save the lives of stevens and the other three americans? i want to bring in mark, chris and john, part of the global response staff of military special operate ares that were tasked with providing security in benghazi. they put their lives on the line that night to save others. they told their stories to boston university journalism professor for the new book 13 hours, the inside account of what really happened in benghazi. it's a very good read. i recommend it as i don't need to. i'm sure it will be a best seller soon enough if it isn't already. thank you for your heroism and
your service. and i want you to know if preparing for this, you should know that obviously i reached out to a lot of people to find out what they said and not anybody -- nobody said anything other than these three men are heros. they disagreed with your take on something, but they did not badmouth you in any way. let's talk about the biggest point of contention which is what happened when the it ts dil came from the com pound. you're at the annex. tell us what happened. >> well, i wasn't at the annex. i was out on anotherpound. you're at the annex. tell us what happened. >> well, i wasn't at the annex. i was out on another -- i was out to dinner with another case officer. i got a call from tyrone woods that said you need to get back here, there is something going on at the consulate. i knew -- he wasn't going to go into any further detail. it was an open source line. so i gathered up my case officer
and we had to make our way back while events transpired at the annex. >> and, chris, there was a time you all i guess about seven of you raring to go. >> actually six of us. oz was out. >> and you're raring to go. and what happened? >> took us about five minutes and we were jocked up, at the gate. and it was me that asked. i asked our chief of base, which we call bob in the book, and our team leader, hey, we're ready to go. let's get out the gate. and you got to remember, during that time, we have communication with the state department saying we're hearing them call for help. and they are our friends. they are are's guys that are with us. and sean smith, alex henderson, dave and scott we become real good friends with. so i went up to bob and i said, hey, we need to go. we're ready t. everybody's up. and he liked right through me and he says you tell them that they need to wait.
so that happened. >> why do you think bob did that? >> the initial wait, our initial thought was, okay, they're coordinating with the local militia that they are entrusting to be the action force in case something happened at the consulate. to me that would be the only reason why the initial wait would happen. then about ten minutes after he got his standdown, i got a stand -- a wait, i got a stand down and a wait. >> i want to read what the cia and state department told us when we asked them about the standdown. first of all, they said, although some members expressed frustration that they were unable to respond more quickly, the committee found no evidence of intentional delay. and this is when jen psaki said yesterday. >> chief of base wasn't telling the contractors to wait out of
malice or unwillsness to help those under attack. there is a huge difference between a short delay for security considerations and standdown order. >> i understand this might be semantics. but their argument is that bob wanted to make sure that they got intel, wanted to make sure you had enough weapons, wanted to make sure there was enough backup. it wasn't a political decision. >> and my take on that is the first five minutes -- and i seven said this to the committee. i said the first five minutes, i'll give you that. it is a combat situation. we do immediate to adjust fire and get ourselves in order. the next 20 minutes, no. tactically, that's unsound and minutes cost lives. and they died of smoke inhalation, shaup and tean and bass door. so the decision needed to be made. and also we didn't have a rapport with the militia.
we didn't trust them. >> and we've never indicated that there was any malice from them. and why he made the decision. but you have six operators that have probably together almost 100 years of experience. the question we have, why wouldn't you utilize that aspect that you have available to get out there and see and put eyes on to find out real true intelligence instead of depending on a local national to get that intelligence. >> obviously your enthusiasm is admirable. you wanted to get out there in the thick of the fight, you wanted to save your friends. do you not believe bob and xt plan tha the explanation when they say this is the reason why they did it? >> from past experience, i've been there more than these guys were, so i worked with bob quite a bit out there. there is other security situations that have popped up out there where we weren't allowed to leave to go respond
to it period. i don't know what his deal was, but we got chased with guys with guns and he still would not let the qrf leave the compound even though we were not really being shot at, but being engaged by people with weapons. >> let me clarify that. he's saying we had our own guys that needed help in town on two separate occasions and we were told to wait on those separate occasions. so it became like an s.o.p., standard operating power that we're not going to respond to qrf. >> the book suggests that the reason might be to have a low profile or you because of whatever the cia was doing, they didn't want attention toward that or they didn't want people to come at the cia annex. >> and we don't raise our profile. it isn't like we're going in there guns blazing. we'll go in, see what is going on. as long as we have eyes on, if something goes wrong, we will
intervene. >> that's what we're trained for. that's our job. >> yand you get in the area of where the most probability of something is, so you can take care of that situation instead of having to travel. with the annex to the consulate, five minutes, since minutes, could be longer. but better to be there and deal with something than to have to start from scratch. whether that situation or previous situations. >> and that showed that night. we didn't get there for almost an hour you because we had to actually disembark because of the route that we were going to take there, they had said up a concentrated fire. the book goes in to more detail, but, yes, it's very hard to talk about. >> it's a great book. horrific experience. again, thank you so much for your service. thanks for what you've done in this country in and out of uniform. we appreciate it. >> thank you for having us. when we come back, how could
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baltimore ravens publicly denied having seen the tape until tmz posted it for the world to see yesterday morning, sports world collec collectively asked -- really? state attorney general said it would have been illegal to turn over a copy of the video to the nfl. but sources from the casino where the incident took place tell tmz which broke the sorry if someone had asked for the video, they would have gladly complie complied. joining me how is harvey levin, founder of tmz. it's owned by the parent company of this network. harvey, good to see you. first of all, i don't want to take away from your scoops. obviously will was a very important one. and we're not here to have the ethics. why do you think the tape came
out now after the casino closed. >> every operation pays for content when we're talking about video because, a, there is nothing wrong with it and, b, you guys do it, too. if you get a fire that some string are shot, you buy it. i know that, you know that. and now everybody else buys it, too. in terms of why it came out, i think what happened was the casino closed and when the casino closed, i think there were a lot of employees who just said, you know he, what we want to it the right thing and ultimately we ended up getting this video because when you look at the video,e, what we want to it the right thing and ultimately we ended up getting this video because when you look at the video,, what we want to it the right thing and ultimately we ended up getting this video because when you look at the video,, what we want to it the right thing and ultimately we ended up getting this video because when you look at the video, clearly the nfl did not do the right thing. and it's worth the risk. >> why was there such a lag between the initial revelation of the video dragging janay out of the elevator and this video?
is it because the cass sis see casino closed? >> i really don't know. i just know we got it when we got it. i think the real issue is why the heck didn't the nfl commissioner seek to get it. he is a very aggressive guy and anybody who knows anything about him will, when he conducts an investigation, he literally micro manages it. he will do all sorts of things to make sure punishment is meted out and it's aggressive. in this case, he sat back and what we're told, they said to the police, yeah, give us anything you got and just waited. if they happened to give him the video, great. if they didn't, great. they knew the video existed at the casino. they never went to the casino. we know this. they never went to the casino and said let us see it. and the casino we're told would
have known is to them. we're told rice's lawyer also had a copy because of the criminal case and, look, goodell had a lot of leverage over rice at that point. so they probably could have even gotten it from the lawyer. but for whatever reason, and this is what really smells about it, it feels like goodell didn't want to get the video because he's too aggressive a guy and too thorough a guy in a case like this not to simply ask. >> harvey may not know that you're also an attorney. what was your reaction when you saw the tape in terms of the criminal charges against ray rice? >> well, look, i was shocked when i first saw it and now i know a lot more about the criminal charges. on the criminal side, jake, what happened was this. rice was charged with what in most states we call a misdemeanor assault. they don't call it that in new jersey. but that's what it is. and then what happened was the
d.a. dropped that charge and gave it to the grand jury and said to the grand jury you guys decide. and the grand jury looked at the tape we're told and said this is ridiculous, this is a felony. and what happened then was rice's lawyer had a legal right, and he pursued that right, to basically get what amounts to a diversion program where he wouldn't be prosecuted for that felony. he qualified for this. so everything was kosher. the only thing to me and to several people i've spoken with connected with that prosecution find odd is that the prosecutor could have gone in and said, look, even though he qualifies, we object in this case because of the nature of the video. and we're told that wasn't done. >> i just want to make sure i understand. do you think that goodell or some of his underlings saw this tape, the one that came out yesterday that you yyou broke yesterday, saw it before
yesterday and they're lying about it, or do you think that goodell and his minions were just coming an aggressive sergeant schultz from hogan's heros routine where he didn't want to see anything? >> i see nothing. >> exactly. >> you're good, jake. that's the question. you framed it exactly right. i don't think goodell saw the tape. i believe based on the people we've been talking to in the nfl, i do not think he saw it. when they say we didn't see it until tmz sports put it out, i think the issue is how do you define "we." we're told from people in the casino that somebody the way they put it from the nfl came and saw the tape. now, i don't know who the someone is. it could have been an ancillary person. but what may have happened here, and i'm speculating and i have to speculate, because the nfl has been radio silence since sunday when we started making
calls. but maybe what happened, somebody saw that tape, whether the prosecutor's office, whether somebody who went to the casino, and maybe said to these guys you you don't want to see this tape and many they wanted to impose a penalty they felt was right and this tape was going to mess things up. i can't think of any other reason because in any other circumstance, given goodell's past, he would have simply had somebody go to the casino and say, hey, let us see it. it's so relevant. >> all right. one minute left, so i'll ask you to keep it concise if you can. the baltimore sun newspaper tried and failed to get these tapes through the freedom of information act. because tmz pays for footage like this, and i don't want to get into a whole thing about it, you're able to it acquire and get things that other news organizations won't pay cannot. how do you think tmz has changed the game? do you view this through a lens of accountability? you're holding people accountable in a way that they wouldn't be through the old way of doing things? >> i think you're misdirected when you say news organizations don't pay.
you know every single news organization pays for outside video. when you use a picture that you get from an agency called splash, which cnn has done all the time, you guys pay. "good morning america" where you used to work, they pay. everybody in the media pays for video. they have always done it and it's okay because the video is the video is the video. >> harvey, thank you so much. great to see you. congrats on the scoop. when we come back, apple ceo tell cook says it's the most intimate apple invention ever. so what does the apple watch do? we'll show you. when folks think about what they get from alaska,
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