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to speak. yanks tore reporting the bre breaking news in new york city. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. hello, it's 11 p.m. in new york and this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon. our breaking news, new york and the nation on alert over ebola. dr. craig spencer who returned from treating ebola patients in west africa on october 17th, he is infected. he is in isolation in bellevue hospital right now in new york city. he had close contact with at least three friends. they're all now quarantined. anoth another, a taxi driver, not considered at risk at the moment. want to get straight to poppy harlow at bellevue hospital where they wrapped up a press conference including the mayor and governor of new york city. both saying new yorkers shouldn't be worried. i'm not sure how much that will translate to those who say there are still too many unknowns.
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>> reporter: it's a good point but can't reiterate enough that new yorkers could separate as normal. this disease ebola is not hard to contract. you contract it by transmission of bodily fluids and becomes increasingly contagious, the more symptomatic the patient becomes. this doctor, the 33-year-old who returned from treating ebola patients in guinea just developed that 103-degree fever this morning. sometime between 10:00 and 11:00 a.m. and did not leave his apartment after that. except for when the first responders came in their hazmat gear, et cetera. to properly transport him here to bellevue hospital. the hospital desir -- designated to deal with this. he indeed took a number of different subway trains and took a taxi to brooklyn to go bowling and went to a restaurant and
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walked on the high line,en elevated park in new york city. in addition to that, you have one other person being treated -- being quarantined here and monitored. it is believed to likely be his girlfriend and then also two friends that are also in isolation at their respective homes at this time but, again, the governor and the mayor saying it is highly unlikely that any other new yorker would be contracting this and saying there is no better health system in the country, they say, than new york to take care of this. no better hospital to take care of this than where i'm standing, bellevue. >> poppy, let's talk about that because during the press conference the governor of new york andrew cuomo said there are eight hospitals in new york state who are equipped for ebola. who can do the most intense ebola treatment. 200 hospitals in the state he says all of them are ready but can't do the intensive treatment needed for this but bellevue one of those and said that was the
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right thing to do considering what just transpired today. >> reporter: yeah, it is the one. we might have photos from two weeks ago and ran a big drill in front of the media showing us their emergency department, quarantine centers and isolation unit right upstairs preparing for exactly that and heard the new york city health commissioner spoke and she said we've been preparing for this for months. knowing this could come to new york city and knowing what a densely populated city this is they've been certainly preparing for this. it was asked in the press conference will the doctor remain to be treated here? will he be transferred, say, to emory university hospital in atlanta where we've seen some successful treatment or nebraska. that has not been determined at this time. one other question we have is what kind of treatment he's getting. we know the state that this patient is in, the 33-year-old doctor according to the mayor
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earlier today said he was in good shape. that's positive. but we don't know, for example, will he get any of those experimental treatments like zmapp which is very short supply. i think they're just assessing it. only a matter of hours since that positive came back. >> let's get some answers with dr. sanjay gupta. doctor, before we go through the time line, let's talk about what poppy said. what might his treatment be? >> well, we know that patients, you know, certainly even in dallas have received blood transfusion which is really a plasma transfusion, you'll remember, don, nina pham, the nurse, received that. it's taking the blood of someone who's had ebola and survived it and taking their plasma which is antibodies that can help fight ebola and transfusing that into a newly infected person.
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that is an option and talked about the experimental medications that poppy mentioned. you'll remember dr. kent brantly and nancy writebol received zmapp but there are others. both of those things will be options and may receive one or both of those. we don't know for sure. there hasn't been scientific date to to say they've worked but have used several times in the united states and west africa. those are the treatments he'll receive. the main thing making sure he is fluid -- he gets enough fluiding. if he's having bleeding problems he can be given blood and taken care of in the hospital in that regard. >> dr. gupta, let's go through some of the time line here. what they said during the press conference. he was working in guinea with doctors without border. he finished that on the 11th --
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>> 12th. >> and left the 14th via europe and arrived at jfk october 17th and was told to check his temperature twice a day and 21st he began feeling tired but that was between 10 and 11 days after he returned and spent time on the subway, went to a bowling alley and waked on the high line, got into an uber taxi. the question is, should dr. spencer have self-quarantined when he got back to the united states ten days ago? >> you know, it's a very interesting question and a lot of people will hear you ask that and they're screaming at their television set saying, of course, he should have self-quarantined. it would have been the judicious prudent responsible thing to do. i think that makes a lot of sense in many ways, i want to remiepr remind you. the science suggests this, someone is not going to transmit
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the virus until they are sick so while he was doing those things on the subway, bowling, my understand, went to a restaurant and taking him at his word he wasn't having any symptoms at that time and someone who is quite sick with it is probably unlikely to be up bowling but in this abundance of caution which is a term we've heard a lieutenant, somebody who's had intensive contact with patients with ebola taking care of them as a health care worker. when he got back to the united states in addition to taking his temperature twice a day should he have basically just eliminated his contact with other people. you know, there may be some real value in that. the cdc has been unclear as far as i can tell and if there hasn't been strict guidance on saying they should be quarantined and that's a question they need to answer. >> listen, what do we know about the four people he came in
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contact with? as i understand, obviously he is in the hospital. two of his friends are in quarantine and the other person he came in contact with i'm assuming is his girlfriend according to the health commissioner is in the hospital as well tonight but not showing any signs of ebola. >> that's what my understanding was. i took the same thing away from that as you. she sounds like the person he had the most intensive contact with and that's why she is in the hospital and in quarantine, as well. not showing any symptoms. you'll remember, don, again with mr. duncan, he's somebody that we had gotten to know, the person who got sick in dallas, ultimately died but was in his apartment or he was in an apartment for two days after showing symptoms with friends and family members and none of them got sick. so it is -- that is potentially good news for other people being observed, dr. spencer's contacts, the likelihood of them getting sick is very low but obviously they have to monitor
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them and make sure that they take their temperature. >> all right. stand by, sanjay. want to get to economy guess mar guess in front of the apartment building of dr. spencer. they've been -- what are they telling residents, miguel? >> reporter: two things, they are, the neighborhood with public health officials sa s happeneding out cards telling them exactly the concerns of ebola, how you get it and where you have to be concerned. the other thing they're doing mo more importantly, everybody we speak to seems to remember this individual. who came in contact with him over the last several days, who might they have to worry about. who do they have to get into contact now that the test is positive. the folks have been pretty mellow, kind of cool, but now that this test has come back
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positive, there was a switch that went off. increased police presence after that. more people in the neighborhood coming by to see the building and people who live in the building now not running in fear or pack up their belongings but are there more precautions, i need to be more vigilant and aware. the one train, the "a" train and "l" train and was in public parks will concern people, as well and begin to wonder if they have seen this guy and on the train next to him and should they be worried about the next time they get a sniffle. >> "a" train, 1 train, "l" train. we appreciate that miguel marquez. i want to bring in new york congressman charlie rangel. this is your district. what are health officials telling you? >> no question. i've been in touch with the city
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as well as the white house and the centers for disease control and that's not nearly as important as i am concerned about the feeling of fears that the people have in the district and i am so confident that the sophistication that my constituents have, it just so happens i've had six community meetings and all of the people knew that there was an ebola victim living in our district that was in bellevue hospital. but we recognize it didn't happen in west africa and hope it didn't in dallas and in our congressional district but we never felt more secure with the medical delivery system that we have and that close operation we've had before this in terms of being prepared, so, of
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course, we're not relaxed, but there has been no concern about being panicked about an unfortunate thing that we're certain that if it happened to have happened anywhere, we wish it wasn't in our city, but for the good of the world, we are better prepared than anybody else to deal with it. >> congressman, but, indeed, you're hearing this directly from your constituents, from the people of new york and harlem in your district saying they're not concerned about it or are you assuming -- >> i didn't say that. >> okay. what i'm saying we are concerned. we wish it didn't happen in our district -- we didn't wish it happen anywhere but working with the state and several conversations i've had today that if it had to happen anywhere in america, that no community will be better able to
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deal with it than a city of new york and bellevue hospital in my district. not my district but in manhattan, so what we're saying is that we -- we hope that we can really -- you know, we're learning every day what happened in dallas, what happened everywhere. >> right. >> and certain things that we have to recognize helps us. the victim was a doctor. he's sharing with our experts how he felt, when he felt, what he is doing. and no one has threatened with always walking by people that it's contagious. >> i think you're right. everyone gets it. i was just wondering if you heard directly from your constituents. i appreciate you joining us. we'll get back to you, congressman rangel, if there's any more developments.
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dr. devi hamm and dr. alexander garza, dr. juliette kayyem and dr. alex van tulleken. juliet is not a doctor but i elevated her to that. office of emergency management expected to open its center in brooklyn and immediate focus is to track down anyone who may have come in contact with dr. spencer. investigators are taking this seriously because they are concerned it appears he didn't self-quarantine. the doctor took an uber cab which we confirmed by the cab as well and bowling alley in williamsburg, brooklyn and also took the train and went to a restaurant and walked in the high line. so congressman rangel is saying he is very competitinfident. should he be as confident as the congressman is. >> he is in a very interesting position. i'm not sure he should be that confident, actually. he's one of the people in
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charge, one of the authorities. i think they should be feeling worried. and take every measure. >> very worried why? >> because we've got a case of ebola and out in the city potentially symptomatic. they should be working hard on it. the rest of us should get a good night's sleep. >> we don't want people to panic but shouldn't it be an ov overabundance of caution rather than saying it's not a big deal, whatever you can -- this won't happen. isn't there overconfidence in the begining. >> exactly. the congressman is saying we feel confident. the mood is we want him to feel nervous and working extremely hard to make sure everyone is traced down. the rest of us -- i don't think
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anyone in new york should change their behavior. >> you talked about riding the train. you're not worried. >> i live five blocks away from him. i will be going out to the bars tonight exactly where he was. >> about 15 blocks away from me. all in the same neighborhood. what point confidence level here? you said you don't believe it's -- my question to you as we were listening to the press conference if they're going to sanitize the bowling alley and airport he transported on is being taken out of service and cleaned. why not the subway system and restaurant. >> that's the whole problem we've seen. we arary telling people it's safe that you have to be exposed to bodily fluids which is true but send a different message when we say let's sanitize all these other areas that he went to before he was sick so i think that's the confusion. if it wasn't the subway, i think people would say do it but with the subway you have a much more practical problem.
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how many people come in and how many were on this car and tourist, how are you going to track them if they came in and left and not watching the news. it's very difficult to actually do that so in terms of whether people should worry or not, i don't think they should worry in the sense that, you know, he wasn't symptomatic at that time, the likelihood of bodily fluids there is being low but mixed steps do confuse people. >> it's not binary. i worked late. we went out, a couple had a drink and then all of a sudden you wake up and have a fever. so it's not binary. is it like all of a sudden i'm not symptomatic until i get that fever? that's not true. >> you're looking at a gradual increase with the amount of virus in his bodily fluids. in the time that we're concerned about, it will be very low. we know this because other people have traveled on airplanes, duncan's relatives
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were in the house with him and didn't catch it. the health care workers were exposed with bodily fluids and at that point it's infectious. >> let's talk about the readiness. here's the governor a short time ago. >> we have had a full coordinated effort that has been working literally night and day coordinating city, state and federal resources, coordinating and drilling from airports to transportations to subway stations to ambulances, to hospitals, so we are as ready as one could be for this circumstance. we had 5,000 health workers in the javits situation drilled on just this situation. >> let's see what ron klain, the ebola czar has been in contact with the governor.
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sylvia behrwell has been in contact and head of the cdc thomas frieden spoke at that press conference and the cdc is sending a go team here. what about the preparedness of new york city? >> well, you know, look, there's no city like new york city. i was at the department of homeland security sort of stands by itself in terms of its preparedness partially as a result of, of course, 9/11 but also the resources it has. and they have been drilling and you, know we talked about some mistakes made in the past. one was clearly statements made by government officials that we were safe from ebola. now, i'm not a doctor, as you said, you could predict someone was going to come here and not just one or two or three but we're a big country with a lot of travelers and a lot of people -- ? juliet -- >> here's the thing, so -- i think anderson and i talked about it right after the press conference. you know this, is the most
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populous city and you can weigh in, as well. it's the most popular city in the country and they get around through mass transit. the governor said we're on top of each other here so it's not airborne but still there are a lot of unknowns when -- go ahead juliette. >> this is the challenge of homeland security, right? that it is as much about the homeland as it is about security. we could have a reaction. there's no question bit. we could satisfy the hysteria and say, we're going to close down the a-train. you cannot live in a modern society like ours and close down an entire metro subway system in new york city because of one patient. so what you do is you focus on the patient, where was he for long periods of time? who was he with and this is the constant balancing but any notion that we're going to bring down the system or close it because of a threat that we can now predict and that we are now training people to protect us
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from is just -- it's not sustainable in our modern global society and that's going to be a constant balance. i think that's what governor cuomo was getting to. >> dr. gavin, you know, i think people are rightfully or wrong fly people are concerned about the unknown, it's just that we deal with a lot of diseases that we get -- we deal with the flu and chicken pox and all those things. but this is something that is unknown and newly introduced to america and i think people are concerned about that and it does raise a question as i spoke with dr. gupta about this about self-quarantining workers who have worked closely with ebola patients once they return not only to america but to other places where there is no outbreak. >> now, again, i just want to back to that, don. cdc has guidance. conditional release and control movement. those within us that deal with ebola patients know what that guidance is. the problem sanjay identified is
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so hard to find these paper-based documents and the one paragraph that refers to the guidance so it's not easily found and it's not common knowledge but in the profession you know it's there. >> i do have confidence in the new york city. what we haven't talked about, don, is the disparity between the -- all the hospitals within the country. when the cdc directed dr. tom frieden said all the hospitals in the u.s. have to be prepared what he didn't tell us was how much that's going to cost. and as we found in new york, those hospitals that have money are able to have a 12-month exercise program, they're able to drill, drill and drill and gives you the confidence and practice and rehearsal and training to be prepared for highly infectious diseases like ebola and saw this after the boston marathon bombing. they were prepared for disasters and emergencies like this because they practice and train and drill, drill, drill. hospitals like dallas don't
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have -- we know weren't going through that same process and i gave phone calls every day from hospitals around the country saying come and help us be prepared and what do we need to do? we need to go through the what if scenarios and drill, drill, drill and that's what's lacking across the u.s. health care system to show they have a consistent approach and ready for ebola. >> dr. garza, are you in agreement with this. >> yes, by and large, yes. although i would caveat it with it's very difficult to train every health care provider out there to be able to take care of very complex and infectious patients so i think new york city and new york state made a very bold and correct step by designating those eight hospitals within their state as ebola treatment facilities. and i wouldn't be surprised to see others falling in line. you saw an announcement from rick perry, the governor of texas, demonstrating, you know,
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these are the two hospitals that will be treating ebola patients in the state of texas and so it is important that all health care workers are trained and provided equipment to do i think the initial sort of resuscitation but i also think it's important that certain facilities be designated as those go to places because these are very complex and very infectious patients. >> thank you very much. everybody stand by. we have got a lot to get to tonight about ebola. a doctor returning from guinea who treated ebola patients now testing positive for ebola and also spending time before he tested positive out in public here in new york city. listen, i need to update youing something here. earlier they reported him visiting a bowling alley. the bowling alley we showed and the graphic was incorrect. they were incorrect and the actual bowling alley dr. spencer visited in brooklyn was the gutter. we heard the health commissioner
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mention the name. the alley. that is temporarily closed and will be visited by health officials tomorrow. cnn does regret that error and want to make sure we get everything correct here when it comes to this story and we should not panic but we should also be cautious and an overabundance of cautious, how health workers are treating it and the government and you should treat it as well as a citizen. lots to come on cnn. we'll talk about ebola and also to talk about breaking news here in new york city, police officers attacked by a man wielding a hatchett. there may be ties to radical islam and jihad. we'll be right back.
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welcome back. i'm don lemon. we have much more to come but martin savidge is live in ottawa with the latest on another story, the attack on canada's parliament. what do we know about michael zehaf-bibeau now, martin. >> reporter: much of the focus is on trying to find out more about the suspect who was killed. he is still a mystery as they try to determine why he did what he did. they know why he did. they have it very carefully studied downed to second by the surveillance video but what made have led him to this attack is the question mark here. we've been investigating all day long and there are still many questions as to who may have influenced him in his life.
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one of the things that did come to the forefront from canadian authorities is the fact they say they now know bibeau had been in contact with like-minded canadian jihadists, one in particular, apparently he was having e-mail with, this is a man with a name of hezbollah yousefsai going to join a militant group but only say the threat of connection between the two is that e-mail. otherwise they say there is no solid evidence to suggest he was motivated directly by isis. that investigation is still ongoing and have a lot of information as to what he did 24, 36 hours ago, but what led him to that attack is still a mystery tonight. martin, thank you very much in ottawa reporting for us. now i want to talk about that hatchet attack.
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joining is juliette kayyem. let's give the viewers the story. the suspect who wielded a hatchet at four nypd officers on thursday is zale h. thompson according to a law enforcement official. thompson who critically injured a police officer and died after being shot by police thursday had a criminal record in california, was discharged from the navy for misconduct according to the source and same law enforcement official who has seen the entire video says the suspect was hiding behind a bus shelter as if he was waiting to attack the cops. it almost happened like thomas was stalking the police officers and according to a source, they're looking into the possibility there is some so sort -- that he may have become radicalize radicalized in some way. what do we know. >> reporter: what we know and taking a step back is that isis and other groups have sort of issued a call to arms through
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social media for these individual lone wolf terrorists, whatever you want to call them, to begin to target military and law enforcement officials. so that was known several weeks ago and then what we've seen over the course of the week was the two canadian attacks and now in new york city. you cannot prove now that these things are linked. that there's some master hand saying, okay, everyone go out on this day. all we know is that the atmospherics and the use of social media can radicalize any guy or woman sitting in their room who want to believe they're part of something bigger. so what this says to see is what we've all been saying the last couple of years is that this is the biggest threat facing western democracy because we are open, diverse, we -- and we love that about our nations, that the consequences of these attacks are much less than the
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traditional al qaeda-time attacks which are as we saw large, you know -- lots of casualties and tra mdramatic iny and focusing on force protection a term used in war to protect troops and this is what, unfortunately, we clearly have to do now, our police officers have to be vigilant for each other, recommendations that military not go out in military wear protecting their families on base and other issues like that. this is now about force protection. >> earlier i'm not sure if we have the sound-bite. let me know, i'll paraphrase what the new york city police commissioner said earlier, bill bratton said there is nothing we know that would indicate that were the case. someone asked him about terrorism, right? he said the heighten eed concer and this is before the source we got onnen cnn saying they were look nothing that possibility but i think he's also saying the same thing. the highened concerns relative
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to that type of assault based on what just happened in can -- he said, recent events in israel certainly one of the things that first comes to mind but that's what the investigation will attempt to determine. so the nypd on high alert tonight. they're having to deal with this and also the nypd involved in the ebola situation here in new york city, as well. >> yeah, it's a busy time for people in homeland security because it's about the risks that we face domestically and it can be something like ebola or individual attackers or a storm. that is the challenge of all these different types of risks that need to be dealt with by essentially our front line first responders. seeing it in new york. it is for police officers and public health officials taking in a doctor with ebola, very different threats but nonetheless ones that remind us why the support we give to first responders, the training that
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they have to have and the sort of consistent both financial as well as, you know, sort of process oriented support for, you know, the training and protecting the american public is what's essentially going on throughout the country. one thing quickly, i do know because of new york, that every governor and every mayor is now calling their public safety teams to make sure that everyone is on high alert for everything. >> we're going to talk to a city aofficia official ahead. the officer is still in critical condition. there was a woman injured also hit by a bullet when officers went after that man said to be doing okay. i want you to stay with us. we'll have much more coverage, ebola in new york city. i'm going to talk to a top city official here, tell us how they
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are tracking the movement of this doctor. we'll be right back. are tracking the movement of
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welcome back live in new york city with our breaking news, a doctor who is infected with ebola now in isolation in bellevue hospital. want to go straight to poppy harlow live at bellevue hospital. i want to hold this up. we have been talking about this dr. craig spencer and he got on a subway. in order to get on a subway, you slide there, right, and then on the other side it has your information whether -- if you purchased with a credit card, however you purchased it and has a number. i would imagine this card will tell officials where he got into the train, right, and then they
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can track the time but he wouldn't have anything to hide from officials. he would tell them. >> right, no, i mean to be clear we've been told by the officials at the hospital that he's been very communicative with them, look, this is a doctor who went to west africa to try to save lives, to help people suffering from ebola. you know, but they want to know everywhere he's been and who he may be in contact with so they can contain this. save his life and contain this disease. it's important you held up that metro card because the new york city health commissioner told us officials are using the information, all the information from that metro card to track his whereabouts, where did he go? we don't remember every single place we went over a ten-day period. he went bowling and took an uber cab to get there and over the past few days since he started feeling sluggish he was on the
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train as recently as yesterday and went to the high line where a lot of people are and went to a restaurant so they're using that metro card to track where he's gone. they know who he's been in direct contact with. one his fiancee and two others close friends and the uber driver not in quarantine because officials say that driver does not need to be, but, of course, tracking every single thing they can. >> poppy harlow at bellevue hospital. i want to get to joseph espy cito, a commissioner of new york's office of emergency management. thanks for joining us mr mr. esposito. some of the things poppy talked about and some things that came out of the press conference earlier this evening about tracking this doctor's
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movements. we know he was at his apartment obviously you have to get from jfk airport to his apartment and then once he got to his apartment wherever he went after that you, am i correct, are trying to track exactly where he went and how many people he may have come in contact with. that seems like a very big job to do. >> it could be a very big job but you got to say, this fellow is cooperating with us 100%. we know when he came into the country. and as you have been talking about we tracked the metro card and coincides with what he's been telling us. we don't believe he's lying to us. the first time he experienced fever he called and came right in. so he was doing -- he was taking his temperature twice a day. he's a doctor. he knew what to do. as soon as he showed symptoms he came to the hospital so, you know, we are going to check on everything he says but we have no reason to believe he's not telling us the truth. >> he said he for awhile
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self-quarantined but when you listen to the press conference and you hear the movements that he self-quarantined then went into the subway where thousands upon thousands of people take every single day and went to the restaurant and high line big for tourists around the world and bowling alley and that bowling alley is closed and i imagine they are going to do some sort of sanitizing of that bowling alley tomorrow. my question to you, as an official, an emergency official should people who have treated ebola patients or come in close contact with them, should they self-quarantine or be better protocol for them not to be among the large public when they return? >> well, a self-monitoring is not a bad thing, we do active monitoring to people that aren't showing signs now. what is important is that the first sign of some kind of symptoms you get immediate help and you cannot spread the
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disease if you're not symptomatic. and the first sign of him being symptomatic he came to bellevue so, yeah, we're concerned. again, all things being perfect we wish he would have stayed in the apartment. he self-quarantined himself to some degree. he wasn't perfect. you're right but at the first sign of a symptom he came right to bellevue hospital and we feel that is going to effectively stop him from being contains to anyone else around him. >> okay. one of our doctors here, dr. van tulleken has a question for you. >> interesting, what you're going to advise people who were in the public places that he was in in terms of trains and the high lines, how far out will you be reaching into those populations. >> we may put out a message but don't feel we have to be alarmed because he was not symptomatic. you know he can't spread this and we're confident when he becomes symptomatic when he
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starts that fever today. he had no fever yesterday and no fever this morning when he got up. he gets the fever late morning, maybe 10:30 and 11:00 and calls immediately and goes -- gets transported to bellevue by ems. >> let me ask you this. am i correct they'll be sanitizing the bowling alley, correct? >> well, we didn't -- we did not close that bowling alley. they closed it on their own. they may sanitize it themselves but we really don't see the need to sanitize it. >> they closed it on their own. the health department had nothing to do with that. >> no, we did not order it closed. the question is if you're going to do that why not sanitize the restaurant and the train and on and on. >> we did not do the bowling alley. >> what about his apartment building because health officials are at his apartment building and in his neighborhood handing out pamphlets and
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information and told by our doctors, dr. devi nampiaparampil that it can live on surfaces for a number of hours but is not transmitted through the air. it can live on surfaces for a few hours. what's a concern, though, in the apartment building with elevator keys, that sort of things, door handles. is that a real possibility. >> i don't know that it's a real concern. the virus can live on surfaces only for a short period of time and have to think about how much virus is in these bodily fluids. if he didn't have symptoms, the likely anything that is in them with low. he left the keys inside the apartment because he didn't want anybody to be in contact with them so i think he was taking precautions. the thing i would wonder more as the health care workers at bellevue. the fact that he is a doctor himself he might be able to advice with some of the invasive procedures where there would be more bodily fluids. >> do you want to follow up on that. >> the department of health will
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go in the apartment and take a look around and if there's any fluids that -- he may have spilled it in the apartment but as far as the hallway, elevators, he's not symptomatic until he goes by ambulance to bellevue today. so the likelihood of anybody being infected by him prior to him showing symptoms is very, very slim. >> mr. esposito, you don't think that the risk is that great then. why are you wanting to track his movements? if you don't think the risk is that great and you don't see you're not going that far beyond but tracking someone's movement on a subway, that's, again, that's very intensive. >> well, we want to be cautious. we don't want to just be negligent either. we'll quarantine the two fellows he was bowling with and his
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fianif i an -- fiancee and girlfriend of one -- >> is she in the hospital? is she the one that's in the hospital? >> the fiancee is at the hospital now. she'll be staying overnight. >> and so far -- no one but the doctor is showing signs of ebola, right? >> that's correct. >> the fiancee is not. >> correct. >> go ahead, dr. van tulleken. >> can i ask about the quarantines. we know enduring quarantine for up to 21 days can be demanding. getting food and laundry, contact with other people. other things like this, are there teams to facilitate their lives being a bit easier during what is a difficult time for them. >> we work on this for weeks and have a management team that's going to be assigned to these quarantine locations to make sure that these folks are cared for. food, clothing, bedding. medical issues. and we mow that, listen, staying in an apartment for 21 days is
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not an easy thing so we'll be there to meet their needs the best way we can. >> yeah, also we want to say because people get around new york city, there aren't that many people who drive their own cars in new york city. most people take mass transportation, thus, the concern about the subways and buses and what have you and also taxis and uber released a statement saying that the driver of the cab and anyone who rode in it afterwards is not at risk. the chances of someone getting it from -- it would quite honestly someone would have to be, am i correct, bleeding or some other bodily fluids that were spilled in the car that they would have to come in contact with to have a viable risk. >> if he was sick in the car or vomited in the car, that would be the case but he didn't. >> if he had no symptoms at all,
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he's got to be symptomatic -- >> joseph esposito head of the office of emergency management, thank you. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> everyone else, stand by, when we come back we'll have the latest, a doctor who recently returned from treating ebola patients in west africa, diagnosed with ebola. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern. the all-new mercedes-benz gla
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back now live in new york with our breaking news, a doctor who recently returned from treating ebola patients in west africa has the disease. back with me now is dr. devi, dr. alexander garza, dr. macgregor-skinner and juliette kayyem. we heard from the head of the emergency management who seemed confident but reaching a lot of
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people with who he came in contact with. he could have come in contact with thousands of people. >> he could have, but, again, he's conscious and talking to authorities and he's really giving a lot of information of where he has traveled to and where he's been and light of parallels between new york city and what we experienced in lagos in nigeria. it's a megacity of 21 million people and when patrick sawyer arrived, that patient, again, we expanded this huge net of contact tracing in the nigerian government visited over 26,000 homes and families and talked to so many people and, again, there wasle 894 people from the 20 cases to do that contact tracing. what new york is doing is correct, it's right, it's the principles we use every day to fight ebola and find and detect early to ensure no one else gets
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this terrible disease. >> to dr. garza. let's talk about the flights that dr. spencer took. how much do we know about? ten days ago, should people who were on the flights be concerned? >> no, not at all. apparently he left liberia -- i'm sorry, it was guinea, flew to europe then and took a flight over to the united states and was completely asymptomatic at the time. although he was harboring the virus he had not yet sero converted. >> is he, doctor, a candidate for any of these experimental treatments we've been seeing with the other ebola patients? >> i'm sure, yeah. he absolutely is. i think the challenge, though, is that a lot of these therapies are unproven right now and that's because this is usually a very rare disease, and you don't
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have much of an opportunity to test these experimental therapies, so even the plasma therapy that some of the patients have received previously is still an unproven therapy and just because the numbers that you're treat rg3 so small, it's hard to derive whether they're beneficial or not. just because of the numbers are involved. but, yes, he's absolutely a candidate for a lot of these experimental therapies. >> stand by. when we come back with the latest on the developments of our breaking news, ebola in new york city.
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all right, welcome back. for those expecting to see tonight's debate between jeanne shaheen and challenger scott brown, well, because of tonight's breaking news, of course, we will have that debate for you tomorrow night. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. hello, everyone, it is midnight in new york city this. is cnn tonight, i'm >> hello, everyone. i'm don lemon at cnn. craig spencer, a doctor who treated an ebola patient in west
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africa has been diagnosed with the disease. he's in isolation at new york's bellevue hospital. health officials say three people who had been in contact with spencer, his fiancee and his friends are in quarantine. let's go straight to bellevue hospital where that doctor is now in quarantine and where there was a press conference this evening. poppi harlow is there. they are saying it's an overabundance of caution but new yorkers should definitely not panic. >> yes. they do not want new yorkers to panic because of how hard it is to contract this disease. they understand the fear, but they said the more you know the less you need to panic. they say that when the 33-year-old doctor who was working in guinea for doctors without

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