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rachel, thank you very much. there's the picture. maybe that was a pained smile. thank you so much for being with me. i'm brooke baldwin here in new york. we're going to take you to washington now. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. the release of the u.s. senate torture report. i'm jake tapper, this is "the lead." the national lead, sleep deprivations, near drownings, hypothermia, rectal force feedings, all the things the cia inflicted on detainees in the name of protecting you, according to a u.s. senate report, all reasons why every single police department across the country and every single embassy around the globe is now preparing for a potentially violent reaction. add to this global tinderbox a downright bizarre plot out of the israel. an american man, a texan
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arrested with explosives and a plot for a terrorist attack, allegedly. what was he planning? and the national lead, a winter storm barreling towards the east coast. drenching rain, major flooding, four-hour delays at airports. and that is just the opening act. good afternoon, everyone. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we begin with breaking news in our national lead. the fbi and the department of homeland security just this afternoon warning all stateside law enforcement to be on guard as the u.s. troops and embassies abroad are also bracing in places like cairo and baghdad and riyadh, scouring message boards that extremists might be planning a plot in response to the release of a report describing in detail the cia's program of enhanced interrogation techniques, commonly referred to as torture.
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canada and the uk have closed their embassies in cairo over those concerns. u.s. combatant commanders on high alert at u.s. military bases throughout the world. many in the cia and the u.s. state department urged against releasing this report. the charges contained within the 6,800 pages are, well, stomach-churning. the torture was brutal as described. detainees were waterboarded, some deprived of sleep for up to a week. one detainee froze to death. others unnecessarily force fed rectally. and all the while, the cia was lying about it to the bush white house, to congress, to you. and the report says the torture didn't even work. it doesn't even produce intelligence that saved any lives, they say. both the cia and republicans on the committee today strongly disagreed with these assessments. we're covering all the reaction to the story. barbara starr is at the pentagon.
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ian lee is in cairo. but first to pamela brown, all federal state and local law enforcement are being put on alert. what more can you tell us? >> sending out this warning to law enforcement agencies across the country surrounding the torture memo release. this bulletin warns while it's unlikely, today's torture memo may spark online reaction and may influence home-grown violent extremists. the terrorist groups may exploit the findings for recruitment purposes. but the warning was sent out just as a precaution courses tell me, so far no new intelligence indicating there's anything in the works as a result of the memo. but of course these are the concerns we have been hearing from law enforcement sources leading up to the release of that memo today. so they're really just reiterating that to law enforcement. >> and the director of the fbi also held an off-camera briefing for reporters today.
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what did he have to say? >> that was one of the first questions he received. his reaction to the torture memo. he told us he hadn't even read the memo. he stayed tight-lipped. but he said the fbi is focused on any activity overseas and from home-grown violent extremists in reaction to the memo today. >> we just had the department of homeland security secretary jeh johnson on the show the other day, very concerned about the home-grown terrorists, the lone wolfs. for more, let's go to cnn pentagon correspondent, barbara starr. tell us about these torture techniques. >> reporter: let's start with one al qaeda operative. abu zubaydah. he suffered sleep deprivation for 17 days as part of his interrogation. and that's just the beginning of it all.
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the brutality is shocking. the report reveals at least five detainees were subjected to what it calls rectal feeding. interrogation procedures that went on for months. at least one detainee died from hypothermia. >> stripped naked, diapered, physically struck and put in various painful stress positions for long periods of time. they were deprived of sleep for days. >> reporter: one detainee had his lunch pureeed and poured into his rectum. much of the information kept from president george w. bush's own secretary of state. >> there are cia records stating that colin powell wasn't told about the program at first because there were concerns that, and i quote, powell would blow his stack if he were
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briefed. >> reporter: a former top cia official says some of the details were held close. >> those who needed to know were absolutely brought in and made parties to the conspiracy. as i said, we were very, very clear about what it was that we intended to do, what we were doing to make sure that we had the necessary assurances from the justice department that what we were doing was legal. >> reporter: some of the worst abuse o ku abuse occurred at a secret location called cobalt. cia officers dragged detainees hooded down hallways slapping and punching them. and an admission in cia documents that waterboarding did cause physical harm. abu zubaydah repeatedly waterboarded became completely unresponsive with bubbles rising through his open, full mouth. internal cia records called
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khalid sheikh mohammed's waterboarding a series of near drownings. torture that wasn't even effective, according to the report. >> it produced little useful intelligence to help us track down the perpetrators of 9/11 or prevent new attacks and atrocities. >> reporter: and then there is this. the report says that some of the cia personnel involved in this had records of violent and abusive behavior towards others. the report suggesting they had no business being part of this program. jake? >> barbara starr at the pentagon. thanks. right now, thousands of u.s. marines on standby throughout the world ready to respond to any possible retaliation because of this cia torture report. as we speak, security officers are standing guard outside the u.s. consulate in lahore, pakistan let's go to ian lee who's in cairo. what kind of security presence are you seeing there now?
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>> reporter: there's a heavy security presence outside the u.s. embassy. i talked with one of the officials earlier today. they said they weren't going to comment on it. but there are cement barriers protecting it, as well as a heavy police presence and the military close by in case anything were to happen. this report had the potential to be very embarrassing for the egyptians. they had been a longtime partner of the cia in their rendition program where they take suspects from around the world, bring them here to egypt to interrogate them. the egyptians wouldn't want their dirty laundry aired out in the public. and we scoured this report for any mention of the egyptians' involvement. and when we were looking, it seemed like all countries that were involved in the rendition program, their names were redacted. that's something the egyptians are going to be very happy about. but also there is quite a famous case of this renditioning when the cia nabbed a man, an italian man, off the streets of milan,
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italy, brought him here to egypt. the italian courts didn't like that and almost two dozen cia operatives were found guilty in that case. >> ian lee in cairo, thank you so much. cnn chief national security correspondent jim sciutto is now traveling with defense secretary chuck hagel. he's in kuwait city. jim, you're the only reporter to speak to hagel about this report. what did he have to say? >> reporter: jake, secretary hagel, supremingly focused on the safety of u.s. troops deployed to this region. keep in mind, 11,000 u.s. troops still in afghanistan through 2015. the president's authorized further 1,500, making 3,000 troops in iraq just across the border here, major navy base on the persian gulf in bahrain all exposed to potential retaliation and that's where secretary hagel is concerned. do you think it's a mistake to release the report? >> well, the president has said
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that we need to be honest and get this report out. we have had an opportunity to redact some of the most sensitive parts of that to protect our people. >> reporter: do you believe the military in the field is prepared for the fallout, even with the redactions? >> well, i've directed all our combatant commanders to have all their commands on alert. we've not detected anything specific anywhere. but we want to be prepared. and we are. >> reporter: secretary hagel told me some of those redactions did help mitigate the threat to u.s. forces but he still says those forces are, in his words, high alert. while they have no specific threat, they are looking to friday's prayers as a potential flashpoint for possible retaliation. >> and the u.s. is still engaged in a war against isis.
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what did secretary hagel have to say about that? >> reporter: he said that he was encouraged by what he heard both from u.s. commanders and from iraqi officials. he met the iraqi prime minister today. iraqi forces finally coming off a defensive footing slowly some minimal offensive operations. that said, a lot of expectations management here, meeting with american commanders. they're saying it's going to be several months before there's any major operation by iraqis to take back any significant pieces of isis territory. >> jim sciutto in kuwait, thank you so much. how much valuable intelligence if any was gathered from these harsh interrogations? that depends on whom you ask. the cia today defending the program saying it was effective. were any potential terrorist attacks thwarted? did it help lead the u.s. to find osama bin laden? those questions for two former cia operatives coming up next. sheila! you see this ball control?
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welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. continuing our top story today,
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the shocking, controversial and long-anticipated report on the cia's use of torture, that report has been publicly released, reigniting not only the debate over the morality of torture but its effectiveness. whether, for instance, it saved american lives, whether it helps the u.s. capture and kill osama bin laden. former bush administration officials including vice president dick they chi argued the cia's enhanced interrogation program helped them interrupt terror plots, gain valuable understanding of al qaeda and led them to bin laden's hideout in abu dhaad bad. >> at no time did the cia's coercive interrogation techniques lead to the collection of intelligence on an imminent threat that many believe was the justification of
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the use of these techniques. the committee never found an example of this hypothetical ticking time bomb scenario. >> the cia disagrees strongly with that. let's bring in former cia officers, bob bear and mark grekt. set aside the morality of torture here. i want to discuss whether or not it was effective because this democratic senate report says, no. what do you say, bob? >> i see no evidence that it was effective. the raid on bin laden's compound was multiple sources. it wasn't due to hostile interrogations. this has been bipartisan as well as gone through the record and seen no evidence that it stopped an imminent threat against the united states. if it has, i think it's time for the cia to produce that evidence to tell us why torture works.
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>> the republicans issued a minority report today and they challenged the democratic assumptions very, very strongly saying, for instance, there was a plot to destroy hotels in karachi and interrogation of one of the detainees, torture of one of the detainees led to information that led them to foil this plot. what do you say? >> i think you have to look at the intelligence. i really don't think we can have this debate with our hands tied behind our back. you'd have to look at the intelligence produced through enhanced techniques and look at other intelligence produced, put them together and have a chronology of it and you'd see -- senior cia officers are always prone to defend their product. that's beyond a shadow of a doubt. but i'm somewhat skeptical that these efforts produced as little intelligence as senator
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feinstein has suggested. but there really is no way to know how productive they were, how many lives they saved, if any, unless you get to see that intel and really work through it. >> the cia strongly disputes the report's conclusions and asuze the committee of reaching the conclusions by working backwards, almost like it's getting wednesday's answers to the crossword puzzle and figuring out what you could see on tuesday's. a cia spokesman put it as a what if approach that's highly speculative doesn't accurately reflect how counterterrorism operations work in the real world. bob, do you know of times when you were with the cia where enhanced interrogation techniques produced actionable intelligence? >> let me just first say, i totally agree with reuel. i have seen cases where torture
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was used. it was the first embassy bombing in beirut in 1993. and the report that the lebanese produced from torture was abysm abysmal. it misled us, forced us to close our embassy in lebanon and leave. it was junk. and every other intelligence service in the middle east and south america that uses systemic torture has very bad intelligence. that's been my experience over 20 years. >> and that's an argument that we heard today from senator john mccain, republican from arizona who was in a vietnamese p.o.w. camp for 5 1/2 years, was tortured himself. he made the argument that torture produces false information. >> false information can come from any type of interrogation. i don't think enhanced techniques are about whether it's likely to produce more truthful intelligence than, say, one where you're just trying to mentally coerce or have someone
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essentially voluntarily give you everything they've got. it's that you want to get people talking. after that, you use different methods to try to verify the information. now, i have to say historically there's a pretty strong argument that pain matters. i think the real debate in the united states is not whether pain is effective in gathering up intelligence. i think historically, the argument there is, yes, in the past, if agents were compromised, if soldiers were taken hostage, you would assume that everything was blown because they would be tortured. they would be -- different levels of pain would use and people would crack. so i think the argument is the types of techniques they used. are they morally acceptable to us or no, they're not? i think that's really probably a better historical argument. it's entirely possible the way the agency conducted itself produced limited information. that may be because the information wasn't there to be
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had. it may be because they did it in a sloppy manner or because they had bad officers doing the work. there are lots of unknowns and variables. that's why you need to look at the intelligence. you need to assess it. >> bob, let me ask you, going forward, what does the cia still do? president obama has said that publicly the u.s. does not torture. we still do extraordinary rendition, though, which is basically outsourcing torture? >> we do. and so does the military as well. it's not -- this isn't a cia problem. this is an american government problem. it's a policy problem. and i don't think the cia's a rogue agency that struck out on its own. it may not have given all the details to congress and the white house, but that's sort of par for the course. but this was a decision made in the white house in 2001. and what we need to do is go back and examine that and see what we got out of this very aggressive foreign policy, whether we're worse off today or
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better off. and, frankly, i just still do not see the point of torture. the chinese use waterboarding. the north koreans did. but it was to get false confessions out of our soldiers. but even the s.e.a.l.s don't use waterboarding for confessions. they use it to break people in their practice sessions. we really need to look at this -- and the cia, don't forget, outsourced waterboarding to two contractors in washington state who knew nothing about it. so if we just did this on the run, it shows. >> thank you both so much. coming up, an american arrested in israel with ammunition and explosives accused of plotting terrorist attacks on muslim holy sites. how did police catch him. plus, uber under fire abroad, backlash against the tech giant grows. why are so many countries seeming to ban the car ride-sharing company? hello... i'm an idaho potato farmer and our big idaho potato truck is still missing.
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welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. with so many u.s. officials worried that the just-released senate torture report could ignite a powder keg of violent protests in the muslim world, another spark of news comes from israel where officials and the u.s. government are now trying to piece together the alleged conspiracy of an american man whom they say planned to attack some of islam's most sacred sites using ammunition and explosives stolen from the israeli army. live in jerusalem, i want to go to cnn's senior international correspondent, ben wedeman. how close was this american man to allegedly carrying out this plot?
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>> reporter: fairly close, it seems, jake. he had the explosives, which he obtained from his roommate who was an israeli soldier who had stolen those explosives from the israeli army and sold them to this man, adam everett livex, identified as a christian, 30-year-old from texas. livex told his investigators he had staked out some of those sites for a possible attack. so clearly he had made a lot of preparations. now, the question is, could he? he did tell his israeli acquaintances that he was a former navy s.e.a.l. that doesn't seem to be the case. he didn't tell his israeli acquaintances, however, that he had a criminal record from the united states. but israeli officials very concerned about this possible plot to attack muslim holy sites, given the level of tension here on the ground at the moment, jake. >> ben wedeman in jerusalem,
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thank you. back to our top story, a new fbi/dhs bulletin warning law enforcement to be on alert for any possible home-grown violent extremists who may be reacting to the senate's release of the so-called torture report. are any senators who supported the release of this information now concerned that they may have put americans at risk? i'll ask one next. ♪ ♪ e financial noise financial noise financial noise
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welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. the politics lead now. an already polarized congress responding today to the release of the contentious report from the democratic majority on the senate intelligence committee, plus one republican and one independent senator. the report finds the cia not
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only used enhanced interrogation techniques, commonly referred to as torture, but the democratic chairwoman of the committee, dianne feinstein, called the cia's tactics, quote, a stain on america's values and history. the majority on the committee also stating that the techniques did not work and that the cia repeatedly lied about them. republicans on the committee are firing back saying democrats went into this process with biases, calling the conclusions factually inaccurate. joining me now from capitol hill, dana bash. we heard from senator mccain today who was supportive of the release of the report but not many republicans share his view, right? >> reporter: not at all. he is in the minority when it comes to republicans. most think that the democrats who wrote this report are living in kind of an alternate reality, that they don't remember the context in which these techniques were used. a post-9/11 context. as you said, these republicans,
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particularly those who are on the committee -- remember, this generally is a very bipartisan committee. everyone's used to partisanship up here on capitol hill. intelligence committee generally does work across party lines. but not in this case. listen to what the top republican on the committee said about this report. >> the majority side of the intelligence committee has spent the last five years and over $40 million focused on a program that effectively ended over eight years ago while the world around us burns. this is a 6,000-page report and not one single witness was ever interviewed. >> reporter: now, the democrats on the committee say they didn't interview witnesses, they didn't interview cia operatives who were involved in these techniques torture because they weren't allowed to, the justice department had an ongoing investigation but they did read the interviews done by other
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officials of these officials. by and large, republicans say that it's just inaccurate and that it is not fair to take the conclusions from this as something that is reflective of reality. >> talk about the timing of this, dana. certainly we've been expecting this report for months and there was talk of maybe they wouldn't release it at all. what are you hearing? >> reporter: that's right. that's another big republican criticism. why now. why do this when there is such a tinderbox out there that this can just throw a match on? and the answer, i actually asked dianne feinstein, the chairwoman of the committee, personally why do this now, does it put american lives at risk? and her answer was effectively, there's no good time. this could always potentially put americans' lives at risk and it is more important to have transparency, to get this information out there to show the world that the u.s. is different from regimes like north korea and others. and she also very candidly admitted that another reason is because democrats are going to lose control of the senate.
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she won't be chairwoman very, very soon. and so they wanted to get this out now. they have been fighting for months, maybe even years to do this earlier and this was their last chance. >> dana bash on capitol hill, thank you so much. many republicans on the senate intelligence committee, as we said, say the report is flawed, that the democrats' biases made it impossible to produce an objective report. senatorer marco rubio say the release causes potential danger to american men and women serving abroad as well as our alliances. many critics also say this is just about embarrassing george w. bush. joining me now from the hill to counter that opinion, maine senator angus king. we've just learned about the warning of potential attacks following the release of the report. any credible threat you know of? >> not that we know of. there were predictions that there might be as a result of this.
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that was obviously -- that weighed very heavily on our minds. the ultimate decision was made that this was important for the american people and important for the world to know that america does, in fact, subscribe to ideals and principles and that there's a lot of data here that needs to be gotten out. so i have not heard any credible intelligence. there were assessments done. people were put on alert. i think that's prudent. but, for example, they did a report on abu ghraib, the armed services committee, back when that was current. and there were 100,000 troops in iraq at that moment. but that didn't deter us from trying to get the truth out about something that just is inconsistent with who we are. >> when there have been instances in the past of things that might ignite the anger of the so-called arab street or the muslim world or whatever, even though you can't really compare that anti-muslim movie about
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muhammad and you can't compare it to the pastor in florida who was talking about burning bibles. but when there are concerns about igniting the passions on the arab street, how do you make that decision behind closed doors like, yes, even if people die, we need to get this out there? >> well, as i said, it's absolutely a difficult one. and there are no guarantees. on the other hand, jake, these people don't seem to need much excuse for committing atrocities on americans or anybody else. they've been killing people and beheading people and bombing people and doing terrorist acts for the last 10 or 12 years and certainly in the last year. it's important to note that this report was completed almost two years ago, was given to the cia for their response and then was given to the white house last may. by the way, all this business about this is entirely partisan -- the vote to approve the report was 11-3. it was a bipartisan vote. and then it's been since last
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may to now to finally get all the redactions and national security concerns taken care of. so why is the timing now? because we just had the final version back from the administration about four days ago. >> republican members of the committee also allege that there are inaccuracies in the report. one example that they cite is abu zubaydah, an alleged member of bin laden's inner circle who was subjected to numerous sessions of torture, such as waterboarding and sleep deprivation. the democrats say that he never gave the cia any substantive intelligence. but republicans say he did. can you be absolutely sure that these tactics didn't work at all? >> jake, absolutely sure is a pretty high standard. but there's a little bit of semantic slight of hand going on here. what i've heard people saying in the last couple of days and i've watched a lot of the interviews of the people that are trying to
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justify this and say the report shouldn't have been released or whatever, they're talking about the program produced good intelligence. and that's true. the program was the detention of bad guys and they were interrogated and we internal gained a lot of good intelligence. the real issue is, how about these particular, what they call enhanced interrogation techniques? did they produce actionable intelligence? and i think the record is very strong in the report -- i sat down and took an entire week to sit down and read the 500 pages, page by page, the 2,000 or 3,000 footnotes and i was convinced the case that was made that it was effective simply didn't hold up. here's an interesting point. the cia for years said we got intelligence, it helped us to get bin laden, all these assertions, in fact, what you're hearing right now, when we gave
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them the report and then they responded, you know what they said about whether it worked? it's unknowable. that's the official cia position right now. it's unknowable whether it worked. the fact that it migrated from absolutely certainty to, well, it's unknowable, speaks volumes. >> today an official from the united nations called on the u.s. government to prosecute those responsible for the deeds laid out in this report. what do you think? >> well, that decision, i think, was made some years ago. it was made by the incoming obama administration that they weren't going to proceed with prosecutions. i think prosecutions at this point is not really the point. the point is, we've got to have a national discussion about torture and whether it's something that we countenance and whether it's effective. i have to tell you, jake, i hope you guys can run a significant part of john mccain's speech this morning.
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every american schoolchild should hear that speech, every member of this body should hear that speech. it's about who america is and it's about whether or not this activity, this essentially torture, works as a matter of good intelligence gathering. and he made a compelling case that it doesn't. so i think -- i'm less concerned about prosecutions than i am about, let's not let this happen again. >> senator, were you surprised that according to cia records referred to in this report, president bush was not given a full briefing on these tactics until they'd been in use for four years? >> yeah, i was surprised by that. that's why i'm a little surprised by the republicans saying this is some kind of political hatchet job because if it was, they would have -- the report would have gone much further in trying, if it was political, to implicate president bush or vice president cheney. as a matter of fact, the bottom line of the report is they were misinformed. the justice department was misinformed. the congress was misinformed. this does not lay a lot of blame
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on president bush and his administration. it was a small number of people in the cia that were continually misrepresenting this program and its effectiveness. and unfortunately a lot of that is continuing as of today. >> senator an dgus king, thank you. things keep getting worse for uber. the city of portland is suing. is it enough to bring the tech giant down? plus, canceled flights and huge delays at several airports as a major storm is drenching the east coast. several cities are under flood watch. we'll tell you where ahead. here's some news you may find surprising.
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welcome back to this will this would. the tech lead, uber is one of silicon valley's fastest growing
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start-ups. but efforts to put the brakes on the ride-sharing service are on. today a judge ordered a ban on all uber operations in spain, spain joining new delhi, india, and thailand on a list of places to outlaw the app. new delhi put its ban in place yesterday after a woman accused an uber driver of rape. and while the company was recently valued at $40 billion, there are questions over whether the company can live up to the hype if it continues to run into regulation issues not just internationally but here in the united states. let's bring in laurie siegel. uber is being sued everywhere from the netherlands to portland, oregon. can they overcome most of these issues, you think? >> the magic number here is $40 billion valuation. they raised $1 billion recently. and the idea was to expand internationally. you have to be able to justify that valuation. as we've seen in the last week, they've had a lot of trouble. they're able to do their
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numbers -- listen, i talk to uber investors all the time. they say the numbers are staggering. their growth is insane. one investor said he cited rocketship numbers. but going abroad, they're dealing with different governments, different types of regulations, different types of background checks and it's not as easy as they thought it would be. that being said, uber is very aggressive. they ask for forgiveness, they don't ask for permission. i spoke to the ceo a couple of months ago and i asked him how exactly they handle this. and he likened it to a political campaign. listen to this. >> we really started out as you see with a lot of start-ups, a bunch of techie kids trying to make something interesting happen. we're now in a political campaign that we have to tell our story and persuade politicians and city officials about why our story is important, why drivers are making better incomes and we're creating a whole bunch of jobs
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and why riders -- why it's better for citizens to have this transportation alternative. so that becomes a political campaign. we have to get the story out there. we have to persuade politicians. and when mud is thrown, we have to combat it with facts. >> uber has hired a former adviser to president obama to make this happen. and travis said they're looking to create 1 million jobs in 2015 all around the world. they're beginning to try to tell their side of the story, too. >> laurie, thank you so much. now to the money lead, new competition for ebay, kind of, amazon just launched a new feature called "make an offer" that lets you place a bid instead of outright purchase an item. but amazon says it isn't like ebay, you don't have to win an auction. you can haggle privately with sellers. the goal is to bring down prices. you'll never have to pay a price higher than what is advertised, they say. amazon's new feature launched today with 150,000 items.
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how about a michael jordan bulls jersey for $1,700 or an autographed james taylor guitar for less than $400? wolf blitzer, how about that? >> or jake tapper cartoon for thousands of dollars. that's possible, right? >> millions. on "the situation room," you have the woman of the hour, the chair of the senate intelligence committee, dianne feinstein just issued this report. >> she's going to be joining us live. we have lots of important questions. she seems to be totally in disagreement with the cia right now. we're going to go point by point where she stands, where the cia stands. >> looking forward to it. wolf blitzer in "the situation room" coming up in six minutes. when we come back, cities up the east coast including boston and new york bracing for potential flooding. heavy rain moves in and snow could be on its way next.
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the national lead now, a nor'easter is bringing a wet, nasty mess to the east coast. just hours ago, the national weather service issued a flood warning for the boston area and there are warnings in place just north of new york city. this nor'easter is already causing travel nightmares. new york's laguardia airport is reporting delays of more than four hours. let's go right to meteorologist jennifer gray live in the severe weather center. how bad is this going to get? >> this is just beginning. if you're watching from the airport, you have been there a while. look at these delays. all of the new york airports have been delayed three to four hours or more. philly airport, about an hour and a half. also in boston, about an hour delay. those are expected to get a little bit better as we get later into the evening because the winds are supposed to die down. we have had incredible amounts of rain and we have had very, very gusty winds. all of these rainfall totals are daily rainfall records. so we had 2 to 3 inches of rain all over new york city and then
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even into boston and philly, quite a bit of rain as well. look at these wind gusts. jfk airport, 47-mile-per-hour wind gusts. 44 at laguardia. that is why you see those delays. here's the radar. the rain's pretty much pushed out of new york city. a little bit of rain on the outskirts of boston. but you see where the rain and snow line are. the snow is well to the north, places in vermont, new hampshire, even into northern maine, getting that snow. it is all rain right now from new york city all the way to boston. but could be changing into snow just a little bit over the next couple of days. so the storm system is going to linger. so we still have those winter storm warnings in place all across the northeast. still have the flood watches in place around the coastal areas. this is not going anywhere at least until friday and possibly saturday. we could see 8 to 12 inches of snow during the next 48 hours, 2 to 4 inches of rain outside of boston.
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dealing with a mess the next few days across the northeast. >> jennifer gray, thank you so much. make sure to follow me on twitter. check out our show page at cnn.com. that's it for "the lead." i'm jake tapper. i now turn you over to the able hands of one mr. wolf blitzer right next door in t"the situation room". happening now, breaking news, terror warning, an urgent bulletin issued to law enforcement nationwide. they're warning of possible extremist responses to the controversial report on cia interrogation. are terrorists poised to retaliate against the united states? disturbing details, the report is revealing a catalog of horrors, including waterboarding, beatings, sleep deprivation and more. bush top administration officials were kept in the dark. studio attack, new details of the cyber assault on sony, more devastating than previously revealed.