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>> rosa flores in new york. thank you for that. join us again tomorrow in "the situation room." you can watch us live or dvr the show so you don't miss it. thanks for watching us live. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. breaking news, the fbi and homeland security issuing a senate warning in the wake of the senate torture report, a 24-year veteran of the agency is outfront next. plus thousands of new documents released in the ferguson shooting case, except for the testimony of a key witness. it was held back. what other evidence is being withheld? and protests growing again tonight in what is being called a week of outrage. protesters demanding rage and justice for eric garner. let's go "outfront."
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good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. we begin "outfront" with the breaking news. the fbi and homeland security warning local law enforcement on guard for extremists reacting to an explosive report on the cia's use of torture. that report issued today. charges of the agency's enhanced interrogation techniques, that is what they call it, enhanced interrogation techniques, were more brutal than were previously stated and didn't work. they say in the report they didn't get any actionable intelligence from the methods. the report details torture including mock abuse and sexual abuse of them and their family members. prisoners being kept away for seven days in a row and some being left without clothes and leading to hypothermia. and the reports were broad and had fabrication and
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hallucinating detainees saying anything to make it stop. and they said it was effective and helps the united states gain crucial information to fight the war on terror. pamela is "outfront" tonight. what is the new warning from the fbi? >> reporter: we learning the fbi and the dhs have put out a joint bulletin warning law enforcement across the country that terrorists may want to exploit it as propaganda and use it as a recruiting tool and it could spark online reaction and eventually influence home-grown violent extremists so the big concern is even though the memo said -- or even though this bulletin said the memo is unlikely to lead to violence in the near term, it could inflame extremists as it circulates on social media and picks up steam. today james comy addressed the warning sent out saying that the concern in the fbi is whether
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the memo will generate any activity overseas for from home-grown violent extremists. erin. >> pam, thank you very much. and the senate intelligence committee spent five years to put this together and read more than 6 million pages of cia documents to complete the review. the entire review is more than 6,000 pages long. it cost $50 million to put together. our barbara starr spent the day going through the summary -- the summary and it was 525 pages but had shocking details and she's "outfront." >> reporter: after the u.s. captured al qaeda operative abu zab ada they deprived him of sleep for seven days in a row and that was just the beginning of the report. even president george w. bush didn't fully know for months just how brutal the cia had become. the cia insists their actions were legal and gained valuable intelligence. but the interrogation methods detailed in the report are
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shocking. >> constantly shackled in isolated cells with loud noise or music and only a bucket to use for human waste. >> the report reveals at least five detainees were subjected to what the report calls rectal feeding. interrogation procedures that went on for months. hands chained over their heads, tied to a ceiling. at least one detainee died from hypothermia, several suffered mental problems, including repeated suicide attempts. the chair of the senate intelligence committee defends release of the report. >> there have been beheadings and have been attacks without this report coming out. this doesn't mean that we shouldn't clean our house. >> reporter: a former top cia official says some of the details were held close. >> those who needed to know were absolutely brought in and made parties to the conspiracy. as i said, we were very, very
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clear about what it was we intended to do and what we were doing to make sure we had the necessary assurances from the justice department that what we were doing was legal. >> reporter: in an admission in cia documents that waterboarding did cause physical harm. abu zubayda became unresponsive with bubbles rising through his open full mouth. internal officials called his waterboarding 180 times. they released a response insisting the program was legal and it did gain the country valuable intelligence to prevent future terrorist attacks. the cia, however, also acknowledged in the past it made mistakes. erin? >> barbara, thank you very much. and the interesting thing to those of you and a source familiar to this, you can say
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ksm was water boarded 185 times and over three days but some consider it only five times and part of it is how you count. han crumpton was in charge of cia operations in afghanistan after 9/11 when his team of 100 cia agents helped crush the taliban and spent 24 years at the agency and worked for then secretary of state condoleezza rice. thank you for taking the time to be with us. at this time the united states is at war with al qaeda and now a powerful off-shoot, isis. should this report from the senate intelligence committee have been released now? >> no, i don't think so. for several reasons. it would first, i think we should put this in context. the report is 13 years after 9/11. at the time of 9/11, congress supported the cia, provided the resources and endorsed the authorities that president bush assigned the cia and this included unprecedented lethal
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covert action authorities and then later on into '02, approved the enhanced interrogation techniques. congress was briefed at the time and now they come out with a report 13 years later from those thousands of miles from the battlefield criticizing the agency. what is of immediate concern is this report can provide our enemies, isis and al qaeda and other affiliates, more material for their prop grachbda -- proppo ganda purposes in the ultimate weeks. >> and for this report, if i were to summarize it, conclusion number one is this, and i want to quote it, the report says the cia's use of enhanced interrogation techniques was an effective means of acquiring help from the detainees.
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the cia claimed it got information as a result of using the interrogation methods and the report said that is false. was critical information that you needed to do your job obtained using these methods? >> yes. and this was for me later on and in '05, i was at the department of state where i was a coordinator for counter terrorism and i benefited directly from many of these reports informing our policy and informing how we allocated resources and which partners we engaged with. to give you a very specific example, khalid sheikh mo ham whoed was a detainee who was briefed led the cia so hum bally. he was the head of jammyas al qaeda off-shoot. based on this intelligence and working with local partners, including the indonesian government, they were able to detain the operatives and disrupt many operations and degrade him. in 2002 this organization killed
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more than 200 people in the bombings in bally. today that organization is just a shadow of itself. because of this intelligence and the policies we put in place afterwards, one program in particular at state, the anti-terrorism assistance program was designed to help the indonesians build up their counter terrorism capabilities an they did an outstanding job. and this is a positive result from the policies. >> so you do believe these methods create intelligence that you were able to act on and save lives. and the senate dianne feinstein spoke about the specific techniques used by interrogate yorz. i wanted to play it so our viewers could hear this practice. >> strip naked, diaper, and put in various painful stress positions for long periods of time. they were deprived of sleep for
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days. in one case up to 180 hours. that is 7 1/2 days over a week with no sleep. usually standing or in stress positions. at times with their hands tied together over their heads, chained to the ceiling. >> many horrific things were described in the report and they talked about in one case the ingredients of someone's lunch which they pureed and fed to the person anally. do you consider these techniques torture? >> i'm not able to defend these techniques other to say they were deemed lawful and necessary by the attorneys and the cia, the white house, the department of justice, and these were briefed to the oversight committees going back as early as '02. they deemed them lawful and necessary. and now for the political wins and legal opinions to shift so dramatically in the coming years, and for the cia to be
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held responsible, i find that disingenuous at best. >> and in terms of making your point about the legality of it, in terms of the morality of it, when you were there and in afghanistan in the early days, was there anything you were uncomfortable with? >> well, no. at the time we weren't engaged in these interrogations. i was there from 01-02 and these interrogation techniques came into play later on in '02. i should emphasize though, the necessity for speed and a variety of plans and policies that were put into place on the run. some of them imperfect. our major concern at the time, erin, is that another attack on the homeland was imminent and we know from the eventual debriefings that al qaeda did plan more attacks in the u.s. in the west coast and new york
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and financial centers and transportation subs. and i think this report is intellectually dishonest and politically biased and ultimately misinformed the american people. and it sharpens the partisanship in washington, d.c. it may put american lives at risk around the world. it undermines our foreign alliances and provides the enemy propaganda material and moreover, i believe it seeks to discredit and dishonor the cia officers who have labored for many years in the front lines defending our country and defending our constitution. >> ambassador crumpton, thank you very much. >> you're welcome. and next the fbi warning law enforcement to be on alert. military out posts and american embassies are on guard from a violent backlash reminiscent of benghazi. and key witness testimony from
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the prosecutor in the case, and we have a special report. and tonight protesters are gearing up for another night on streets across the united states. we are live at another major die-in happening tonight and in this week of outrage as it is called. we'll be right back.
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breaking news, the fbi warning law enforcement to be on high alert after the use of cia torture techniques of terror suspects. jim sciutto is "outfront" tonight and many people around the world remembering that horrible night in benghazi. you were in iraq and now in kuwait, how is the military actually preparing for possible threats because of this report? >> well, inform in the part by the experience in benghazi, they have mobilized quick marine bases, one in middle east and in africa to respond quickly to an attack that might result from anger, retaliation at the release of this report and in addition to that secretary hagel telling us this morning as we sat down with him in iraq he's told his combatant commanders in
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afghanistan, in iraq, to be prepared to boost their force protection for attacks they might see and they'll have to defend against. >> and jim, what did the defense secretary say about the specific safety of the troops because there are some in the u.s. saying american lives and troops now are at direct risk because of this report? >> reporter: well what he told me this morning, he said, listen, they don't have specific information about a specific threat to troop as rising from the release of the report but they are prepared for it because they are concerned it may develop over the coming days. he said he did tell me some of the redactions they were able to make in the report and some of the information that was removed might mitigate that threat. here is how he described it to me this morning. >> we have had an opportunity to redact some of the most sensitive parts of that to protect our people. we have done that.
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so this has been a long period of engagement and negotiation, but we feel we have been able to protect our people. >> reporter: remember, this is not a short-term problem, it is a long-term problem. you have 11,000 troops in afghanistan, at least for two years. a thousand more there than planned under the initial draw-down. you have 1500 across the border from kuwait and iraq and another 1500 authorized by the president and this can be a spark for recruiting to be used on social media by isis and not just today or tomorrow or on friday with friday prayers but it is something to be concerned about for a long time. >> jim sciutto, thank you very much. live from the heart of the middle east in kuwait city. joining me jeremy bash when he was director of the cia and the defense secretary and glenn carl, an interrogator for the cia and author of the interrogation in the cia.
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and let me start with this report. it talks about more than waterboarding and i want to clarify something we said at the top of the program. they talk about the threat of sexual abuse to family members of detainees and they had threatened to do so. it also talks about force-feeding detainees through their anus and i wanted to read to you the quote, glenn. five detainees were subjected to rectal rehydration or feeding without necessity and it talked about one detainee saying, the lunch tray of hummus, pasta with sauce and raisins was pureed and rectally infused. i know this is graphic but it gives people a sense of what we are talking about here. were you, glenn, comfortable with methods like these? >> well of course not.
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i will no firsthand experience with rectal feeding but rectal probing was allowed. >> so rectal probe was standing. >> that was considered the medical approach and handling of a detainee. i was told so as to avoid the risk he may be hiding an explosive or something like that. >> jeremy, cia personnel say that this technique was effective and it got a person to talk. the report from senator feinstein says you can't prove it, you can't prove any of these methods got a single piece of information that saved american lives. and i spoke to someone involved and they say they are 100% sure that it led to the capture of osama bin laden, but can you prove it? >> erin, what you are just talking about, i have not been aware or never been aware that is an authorized interrogation technique. i think the broader point here is we have to remember the context in which this program was developed.
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the twin towers were in a rubble of zound zero and zub ada was captured and the agency said tell us everything you can find out about al qaeda. at the time, we didn't know anything about al qaeda. members of congress were yelling about an intelligent failure and they said we have no humane tell jens about al qaeda. if we can get any detainees to give us any information any leads, let's get that. a list of approved techniques were developed and given to the justice department and briefed to the senior members of congress for oversight and approved by the white house pand the agency admits today it was really unprepared, it didn't have the training, the doctrine or the facilities and it was a make-shift program for the first several months. and that was the context in which abu zubayda and khalid sheikh mohammed was taken into custody and interrogated and
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only those three were water boarded. that hasn't happened since 2003. i think as time went on the program came under better oversight and better legal over site, olc -- the office of legal counsel developed memos. i think it is important to provide context. it wasn't like we did all of these things up until yesterday and we just found out about it. >> and the report disputes how many people were water boarded. the cia said up to three and the report said more. and dianne feinstein talked about it today and she got into it a little bit with wolf and saying they did get credible intelligence from these method and i want to play that for you. >> an examination of the records going back to the beginning of the program indicates that this is simply not true. >> so he's lying -- are you saying he's lying? >> no. wait a second, wolf. i'm not going to get into this kind of discussion.
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what this says is, clearly there is a big difference of opinion. what we asked is that people read the report. everything said in the report is documented with where it came from, whether it was a cable, whether it was an e-mail, whether it was some other form of communication, and therefore, it is not based on rein vepting history 12 years later. glenn, is she right? do you believe these methods did not yield actionable intelligence? >> of course i believe that. because that is the truth. facts are a beautiful thing and they are hard to deny when there are 6,000 pages of them laid out based on the cables an exchanged in real-final time by people wh doing this and confirms the points made against the enhanced interrogation program from the get-go. the comments we heard just a moment ago are a mish mash of
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misunderstanding or just misleading assessment of the reality. nothing about al qaeda prior to 9/11, that is simply not true. i worked myself on al qaeda for years prior to 9/11. as did hundreds of cia officers. george tennant had testified before congress all signs were flashing red before 9/11. and we were seized with this issue. and to say things were done on the fly, there is right and wrong, the constitution and the executive order 1333 and all of the guidance as cia officers from the time we took our oaths and it was clear what we should or should not be doing so it is not true that we invented things and didn't know what we were doing. [ overlapping speakers ] >> and everybody criticized then president clinton and said he didn't kill biosama bin laden, d he knew who he was and that would support 9/11. >> that is correct. >> the 9/11 commission reported
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in july of 2004 documented what we knew about al qaeda and what we didn't know and all of our efforts to find bin laden ultimately failed. so we understand the history of what we knew about al qaeda but if you are a cia officer in the field, operating in afghanistan or in southeast asia, in 2002 and given a mission and told that what you are going to do is lawful, it is approved by the justice department, for us now sitting in december 2014 in the warmth of the holiday season with bin laden dead, al qaeda decimated in western pakistan and feeling pretty secure because we haven't had a massive attack on the homeland in 13 years to vilify them -- and by the way, that is my concern. it is -- i think senator feinstein and her staff did an outstanding job of looking at documents and combing through the record and illuminating things we haven't seen before and that is important. i'm worried that the facts as they assemble them will be misused by people to vilefy
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officers who i think they were doing what they thought was in the interest of the company to defend us. >> and of course, they didn't talk to the officers. they purposely looked at the documents as opposed to the human record. thanks to you. and release of thousands of pages of documents from the ferguson shooting but we found out the testimony of one key witness was not released and so why and is the prosecutor holding anything else back? more information over that. and more on the chokehold death of eric garner are growing around new york and the united states and again tonight we are live on the streets of new york with i major die-in. and our big idaho potato truck is still missing. so my buddy here is going to help me find it. here we go. woo who, woah, woah, woah. it's out there somewhere spreading the word about americas favorite potatoes: heart healthy idaho potatoes and the american heart association's go red for women campaign. if you see it i hope you'll let us know.
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we're for net neutrality protection. now, here's some news you may find even more surprising. we're comcast. the only isp legally bound by full net neutrality rules. a new document dump in the ferguson case, overnight prosecutor robert mcculloch released hundreds of new pages of evidence. this should surprise you because supposedly we had it all but we didn't. so we got more. and one piece of information is missing from a key witness to michael brown's shooting. so what else is missing from the documents? sara sidner is "outfront." >> reporter: the sound of gunshots, the dispatcher calls, a third autopsy, this one
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conducted by the department of defense. and this -- hundreds of pages of witness interviews conducted by the fbi, investigating the police shooting death of michael brown. this is just some of the material the grand jury saw and heard that st. louis prosecutor mcculloch released after tv station ksdk found missing documents in the dump. and for some it is creating more suspicion of the government. >> grand jury transcripts are almost never released. everything is different in ferguson because the prosecutor said he would release everything and now we discover there were some held back. >> reporter: back in november this is what mcculloch promised after the grand jury decided not to indict ferguson police officer darren wilson. >> please note, that as i have promised the evidence presented to the grand jury with some exceptions and the testimony of the witnesses called to the
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grand jury will be released at the conclusion of this statement. >> the exceptions are one of the most important eyewitnesses in the case. the initial fbi interview of dorian johnson, the friend with michael brown the day he was killed was not released. >> he had his hands up and told the officer he was unarmed and to stop shopping and at that time the officer was firing several more shots into my friend zblrvegts the prosecutor did release the television interviews that johnson did, but the public has not seen what johnson initially told federal agents just a few days after brown's death. the prosecuting attorney's office told usa today that federal investigators asked for that testimony to be withheld as they conduct the federal civil rights investigation. >> is it fair for them to say the federal investigation is still open so we were asked to hold some of this back? >> it is fair for the feds who are still investigating
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materials to hold back information but what is not appropriate for matters pertaining to the grand jury that we were told were released to have been held back and now based on a new request, now they are being released. >> and just to give you an idea of just how many documents were just released overnight, erin, this is them. it is a lot to go through. >> hundreds of pages, right, fair to say? hundreds of pages. sara sidner, thank you very much. and now paul cohen joins me and michael parks, the attorney for michael brown's family. and you just saw sara, i'm going to give it to you with some exceptions. but that being not very much and you are going to get it all. was that upsetting to you? >> well number one, this family has never trusted bob mcculloch and the family maintained that. and dorian johnson was the closest witness -- >> he was there. they were walking together and in the convenience store together. >> together. and also too, when you promise
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you are going to give all of the information and even if you don't, in the law we have something you can give what is called a privileged law, you can say i'm going to give you everything but keeping this back without telling us what it is. so they could have done that and they failed to do that as well. >> and again, are you shocked by the amount, hundreds of pages? >> i'm not shocked. nothing about this surprised me. as we watch how the process unrolled, we continue not to have any confidence in the prot he is that -- in the process that took place and this family continues to ask for a special prosecutor. it can come from the chief judge of that circuit or from the governor who has refused. >> who has so far refused. and paul, hundreds of people are looking at this. and why not include the fbi interview with dorian johnson who was the one person who was right there, right next to michael brown? >> well, you know, there are several things about that. i just want to start out by saying there is no universal thought this was a good idea releasing all of this stuff. maybe the press thinks it is a
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great idea. i've spoken with prosecutors who say this is a disaster. grand jury secrecy means witnesses are told you can come and testify in the grand jury, your name will not be revealed and testified -- >> well they should have put this in front of a real jury. >> no, i think they went the right route because you can get witnesses to come in and tell their story if they are going to be protected. but now here they've been thrown to the public. but getting to your question, how important is this missing piece and why is it kept out? because the freedom of information law and the sunshine law when they used in releasing grand jury, if there is a pending investigation it is exempt. and they could say they don't want you to release this under the sunshine law. whether it is a good idea to release this stuff. grand jury information is released for a certain information. to get people to come forward. >> and this will bolster your
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point, if they are going to release it all and make a statement you are going to release it all, to paul's point, seek res is gone and so why not release it. >> and what else don't we know. and is there other information that we don't know and other questions about the process in general. >> so you do have that fear now? >> for sure. >> what we do know is this. you can maybe write a normal or a war and peace nonfiction book about the complexity of the investigation, but it is still riddled with reasonable doubt. so the more that gets released, the more you see the conflicts in the testimony and does anybody seriously think that 12 people would agree to guilt beyond a reasonable doubt -- >> well certainly darrell does. >> i don't know if darrell does. >> well here is a problem, that type of grand jury should not be in a position to weigh the evidence in that particular manner and determine the reasonableness of the officer's fear. >> that is what they do every day. grblg grand juries -- grand juries across the country do
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that every day. >> but they got away from their duty. >> but there is probable cause but they have to decide whether he did or didn't do that. >> and let me ask you about darren johnson and i believe he believes what he saw and his version has changed, when he first talked to the media, here is what he said. >> as he got closer, he fired one more shot and that shot struck my friend in the back. >> then when he talked to the grand jury, and we don't have the fbi interview but the grand jury, and at that time he said, and he was more ambiguous about being shot in the back. he said once the shot fired off, i saw him doing a jerking movement, maybe not that he was hit in the back but it still grazed him. but he wasn't completely changing his story but it was different. >> i wouldn't say it was different. he describes michael running away from the officer and talks about shots and some of the shots may have missed and there is one of the shots could have
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hit him in the back of the arm. i think, if nothing else he is very straightforward and very believable. i think to try and go and make him remember it every time the same way is totally unfair. but i think he's very honest and straightforward and he came out and told his version of what happened. >> well maybe it is a lesser note that it is not a good idea to let your witness have six television press conferences before he testified in front of the grand jury. kind of a bad idea. >> is that a reflection of the lack of confidence in the justice system. that i'm going to talk to the media and not the justice system. >> by media is how we determine guilt or innocence and it is attacking bloifrs all over the country because of things being said on television. >> let me say this. i think there was a lack of the law enforcement trying to get dorian johnson's version when this investigation started. that is why he felt he had to go forward. i talked with his lawyers and they said these particular
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investigators did not come and try to speak with dorian right away. >> because he was a suspect in the convenience store robbery that michael brown was involved in. and he failed to mention that in the early statement. and michael brown -- he said they met on the street, failed to mention the convenience store robbery. and where were they between 7:00 a.m. and 11:53 when they got to the convenience store. you never hear an answer to that. >> thank you, both of you. thank you for your time. and live pictures. protesters gathering in new york city's terminal and another protest over eric garner's. and a cyber attack, is kim jong-un behind it? a new clue in that investigation tonight. [ male announcer ] you wouldn't ignore signs of damage in your home. are you sure you're not ignoring them in your body? even if you're treating your crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis,
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we're for net neutrality protection. now, here's some news you may find even more surprising. we're comcast. the only isp legally bound by full net neutrality rules. and breaking news, demonstrators are descending on grnd central terminal in new york to protest white police officers and their role in the deaths of black shufts. michael brown and eric garner and in both cases a grand jury
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cleared white police officers of any wrongdoing. these are some of the staged die-ins, that is what they are calling them in honor of michael brown taking place across the country. you see people laying motionless on the ground pretending to be dead with areas of foot traffic to make the most impact. it is occurred throughout new york and nick joins me from grand central terminal. what do you see as more people are gathering for what they are trying to make the biggest, quote, unquote, die-ins we've seen yet. >> we have seen the crowd grow in the last 10 minutes. we saw an intimate group of protestors, about 20 or so and that crowd has swelled to what is behind me. they are doing a moment of silence. these are the so-called die-in protests that we've seen over the last few days here in new york city. by enlarge these protests and demonstrations have been peaceful and the police officers have allowed the demonstrators to move fluidly through the streets. can you see -- you can see some
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of them are on the balcony surveying the area and making sure everything stays calm. i spoke to some demonstrators earlier and they guaranteed it would stay peaceful and they consider this the modern civil rights movement and the march in 1960s marched for 300 days from alabama and they want the same focus here in new york city. they are upset about unarmed civilians in new york being killed by police officers and they are determined to continue the pressure on the police department for reform in the nypd. erin. >> nick valencia, thank you so much. fascinating to see that as more and more people gather. my understanding is it was a protest for somewhere else in the city and they decided to go over to grand central station. we'll monitor that over the next few minutes for you. next, sony pictures the target of one of the most sophisticated attacks ever and even threatened the lives of employees and now new clues as to who did it and they point to
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this movie from hitting theaters. >> hello, north korea! >> proceeding the interview, you will shake kim's hand with a fatal dose of poison. >> that's the interview. it's a comedy. it's terrorism. they have done serious damage. they revealed entire scripts from sony and the salary of 6,000 sony employees, internal memos, e-mails, social security of movie stars and threatened the families of people at sony with their lives. kim xiong ooun behind the attack. gordon, north korea denies the attack but calms it a righteous deed. you're pretty much kim jongun is to blame. >> they said they could not attribute the attacks to north
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spotted in new york wearing a goat coat. i never heard of a goat coat. i googled it and discovered it's a coat from a goatcoatshop.com. it's for goats. the goat scratches itself or injuries, buy it a goat coat. kate's was different. her goat coat came from goatfashion.com and frankly, i'm worried it might have smelled pretty goatee. here's jeanne moos with how the royal couple battled the elements today. >> reporter: don't you hate to wake up to this on the last day of a trip? mere mortals battled with their umbrellas and lost their hats. the duchess showed up in bright pink wearing a ponytail on a bad
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hair day, the day even a prince trips on a rain mat. they layed flowers at the 9/11 reflecting pools and later -- >> got a problem? >> reporter: inches away from a performance by a youth group but mostly, acted cheerful and were cheered despite the does rabble weather. but don't feel bad for the slightly soggy royals. save pity for the berated press. following the royals doesn't exactly mean they get the royal treatment. >> back up. back up. back up. >> go, go, go. faster, faster. not going to get your shot if you're not there. >> reporter: the weather had improved slightly by the time prince william arrived to top the empire state building. no relations with the press. ouch. we're still a bit stormy. >> get out of our face, jesus, let us work. >> reporter: kate, five months pregnant, skipped the empire state building stop.
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anyway, who wants to smell like wet wool in the mulberry coat? everything she wears seems to sell out. the goat coat she wore monday from the fashion house called goat has sold out. the same goes for the tori burj coat she wore to the basketball game where she and the prince met jay-z and beyonce but leave it to king james to inquire about the prince's fashion. delivered with an arm swung around the dutch esz, a breach of protocol. royal spokesperson told nbc, but if we swung our arm around her, we'd end up in a sling. cnn, new york. >> i love the background you keep hearing of the fights with the press trying to get close. no doubt, the royal couple is used to that. i have to say, talk to kate, whether you like your fashion or not, who could get a smelly goat coat to sell out?
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goat? i love goats but only she could do it. thank you so much for watching us. i hope you have a wonderful night. we'll be here tomorrow night. set your dvr to watch us anytime. ac 360 begins right now. good evening, thank you for joining us. we begin tonight with a stunning new report on the use of torture. not by some middle east dictator or a rogue group of terrorists but the united states government. published today, to prevent its publication, it's a scathing review of cia interrogation techniques used after 9/11. senate intelligence committee say the torture far more extensive than known and more brutal than officials said and they didn't work. also, how high level officials from the cia misled the white house, members of congress and the american people time after time after what was really going on. keeping detainees for days and mobilized,

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