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carol costello. >> thanks a lot. you guys have a great day. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com and good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. u.s. troops on alert, jihadists rallying online this morning, muslim extremists are issuing a worldwide call to retaliate for the so-called torture report. its graphic revelations of how the cia brutally interrogated some 9/11 terror suspects is fueling bitter debate in washington and could put americans to the crosshairs at home and abroad. >> i directed all our combatant commanders to have all their commands on alert, because we want to be prepared, just in case. we've not detected anything specific anywhere, but we want to be prepared and we are.
>> let's begin our coverage with senior white house correspondent jim acosta. good morning. >> good morning, carol. the white house has scheduled an early briefing report, reporters at the 10:45, less than two hours from now the administration will be handling some new questions come out of the release of this torture report and as you saw in the last 24 hours president obama is supporting the release of this report from senator dianne feinstein from the intelligence committee but we should also point out former top cia officials are starting to speak out and they are defending their actions. it was stinging criticism for the cia from a sitting president, in an interview with telemundo, president obama said the agency was wrong to use harsh interrogation techniques on terror detainees after the 9/11 attacks that amounted to torture. >> i think in the midst of a national trauma, and uncertainty as to whether these attacks were going to repeat themselves,
what's clear is that the cia set up something very fast without a lot of forethought to what the ramifications might be. >> reporter: the president was responding to senate intelligence committee chair dianne feinstein's damning report on cia interrogations that said detainees were waterboarded, kept in dungeon conditions, others naked, hooded and dragged while being slapped and punched. the report said the agency misled the bush administration about the program and no cia officer up to and including cia directors briefed the president on the tactics before april, 2006. in response to the report, cia director john brennan said the brutal tactics did produce intelligence that helped thwart attack plans, capture terrorists and save lives. feinstein told cnn that's wrong. >> an examination of the records going back to the beginning of the program indicates that this is simply not true.
>> reporter: but three former cia directors say their program helped lead to the kill of obama helped lead to the killing of osama bin laden. they suspect the bin laden was trying to blow up a nuclear weapon, adding it was like a ticking bomb scenario every day. many top republicans accuse feinstein of unleashing a political attack. >> it is clear this appears to be an attempt to rewrite history by the democrats to bash the bush administration. >> reporter: one gop senator, john mccain, a former prisoner of war, defended the report saying cor tour does not work. >> i know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners produces more bad than good intelligence. >> reporter: the president was careful not to call the harsh interrogation tactics crimes and so far the justice department has given no indication it plans to prosecute any former cia officials for what happened, and asked whether the president still stands by his claim the harsh tactics amounted to
torture, white house press secretary josh earnest told reporters yes. car carol? >> jim acosta reporting live from the white house this morning. i think it's important for you to know exactly what some cia interrogators did to prisoners. some of this is very hard to hear, but it's important to know, to figure out what's right and what's wrong. according to the senate report, cia interrogators chained a detainee to a concrete floor nearly naked. he later died from hypothermia. five detainees were subjected to forced rectal feedings. others subjected to sleep deprivation, some kept awake for 180 hours, while chained with their hands above their heads. one detainee, the mastermind behind 9/11, was waterboarded at least 183 times. terrorists conducted two mock executions. senator john mccain thinks it's important that you know exactly what happened. the republican senator was a p.o.w. during the vietnam war and he was tortured himself.
he says the cia's brutal tactics have stained this nation's honor. >> i believe the american people have a right, indeed responsibility to know what was done in their name. because we gave up much in the expectation that torture would make us safer, too much. obviously we need intelligence to defeat our enemies but we need reliable intelligence. torture producing more misleading information than actionable intelligence. >> let's talk more with national security analyst and former cia operative bob baer. welcome. >> thank you, carol. >> is senator mccain right? >> he's absolutely right. torture doesn't work and i say that, having watched other governments use it over the course of my career, 20 years and it simply doesn't work. those services which use torture
systematically always had the worst intelligence. i think it was a mistake, we went down this road. it was ad hock. i understand the context why we did it and i think at the end of the day if the senate report is right and it was based on documents, we didn't get what we expected to and it was rightfully stopped. >> there's one concrete example of that in the report and i want to read it to you now. the senate report says abu zubaydah was kept in isolation for a month, kept in a coffin-like box for 11 day, waterboarded two to four times a day. still he gave up no new information. in fact he gave most of his information to cia interrogators before he was put through these abusive tactics. so again, i ask -- but republicans still say that these things work. what are we to believe?
>> the republicans are defending the bushed a%. people have forgotten why this program was started and don't want to be painted with this torture accusation so this is becoming very partisan conflict at this point, and the cia directors of course are out there defending it, whether they know they made mistakes or not, so this has all become very political. what i like about the senate report it's taken from documents, it's taken from the cia inspector general's report which is accurate, and they said this cia employee said this didn't work and you look at the record and even at the working level, cia officers said this is going to blow up, we're not getting what we expect and i wouldn't -- i'm encouraged by this report coming out because the united states is saying we are different from other countries, because we can admit our mistakes and we can correct them. >> well, one or two cia directors say that the senate report investigators cherry-picked information from
all of those documents. cia director john brennan strongly disagreed with the senate report's findings. he said this, "our interview indicates interrogations of detainees subject to enhanced interrogation did produce intelligence that helped thwart attack plans, capture terrorists and save lives. the intelligence gained from the program was critical to our understanding of al qaeda and it continues to inform our counterterrorism efforts to this day." why would he say that if it wasn't true? >> that's typical of an intelligence service anywhere in the world to exaggerate cases like this, but if it's true, and it could be true, what the cia needs to do is produce the intelligence, which should be declassified, and show the chain of event which save lives and that's possible since she's attacks are long overdue and the people supposedly arrested. you wouldn't be compromising anything and the cia to say, look, americans, it did work. we did save lives.
here is the evidence, and if this happens again you have to decide whether we'll resort to torture or not but we need to see that evidence in its full deta detail. >> should they be forced to produce that evidence? do we need to know from them exactly what they're talking about? >> i think we do and i don't see any reason why we can't because we're violating international law, we are violating our own principles if it we resort to torture. american people have to understand why we did it and why we may need to do it again. without that evidence, we can't take anybody's word. we can't take mine, can't take theirs. we need to see the documents and since these events are long past, i don't see why we can't. >> bob baer, thanks so much. i appreciate it. >> thank you. let's talk about something else now, shall we? the powerful nor'easter that caused air travel nightmares and fresh russ roads on tuesday ain't going away any time soon.
the east coast is bracing for more rain and wind and the west coast in for nasty weather. one of the biggest storms to hit the bay area in years is set to slam the region with heavy rain and high winds. cnn meteorologist chad myers is tracking it all, good morning, chad. >> good morning, carol. that storm for san francisco could make hurricane force winds as it comes down in the next couple days. let's talk about the nor'easter, the coastal storm from yesterday, jfk picked up three inches of rain on a normal month for january, december, whatever, you have about three and a half inches of rain total with, whether you meltdown the snow or not. killington, vermont, will take the snow, 14 inches. the snow is with us. the rain's pretty much gone away. the snow is still here, the air is getting colder and the snow through syracuse, buffalo toward the catskills and the adirondacks. move our attention to the west. this is where it's going to get
tricky. rain for seattle and portland. some of these coastal areas could pick up a foot of rain, and that could run off and make a bunch of flooding. there's a benefit to this if this rain, and we expect it, gets down into california. california has been in this amazing drought. they didn't even have crops in many areas because they couldn't afford to water them. they watered some of the trees to keep them alive but the san joaquin valley didn't look anything like it should have this year. we're finally getting some rainfall all the way down southern california, six to ten inches of rainfall possible and feet of snow in the sierra. they will take it. the sierra is dry, hasn't been this dry in many years, carol. >> all right, chad myers, trying to think positive out there because we need the moisture, right? >> that's right, absolutely. >> chad, thanks so much. still to come in "the newsroom," they risked their lives to save others. ebola fighters are "time's" persons of the year. we'll talk about that next.
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the short list was impressive. ferguson protesters, vladimir putin, tim cook, they were among the finalists for "time's" person of the year but the winner is the ebola fighters. each issue features an ebola fighter who worked on the ground in west africa including american dr. kent brantly. shevaughn o connor joins us. >> ferguson protesters also made the list. our goal at "time" is to create conversation with the choice we make and hope by choosing the ebola fighters we're honoring
important work being done that wasn't being done. >> was taylor swift really on the list? >> taylor swift made our short list. >> taylor swift/ebola fighters. >> i think the conversation would be different if she won but she had a big year and will probably continue to. >> let's talk about the ebola fighters they are truly amazing people. >> the stories we collected in this piece 10,000 words long, you can read the shorter versions online, the stories are absolute hero im. this is an epidemic, world the worst epidemic of modern times. it's far from over, so while we've walked away from the story a lot of the media walked away from the story it is far from over. there are 100 new cases in sierra leone every single day. this is not going anywhere and these are people who, when governments didn't step in, when the world health organization didn't step in, these are individuals and groups like doctors without borders who really you know, they were up to the task and they continued to do heroic work. of our five covers, three
survived ebola so that's another important thing to recognize with the ebola fighters, by doing the work they do, they are putting themselves seriously in harm's way and we've lost a lot of people and more than 350 health workers. >> the media has walked away from the story, that's true, but so have politicians. why do you think that is? >> it's very easy to pretend that something that is happening across an ocean in an impoverished country is not happening. i think we've sort of sounded the alarm in the last couple of months. certainly it was a wake-up call when it was on our shores here in the united states. >> but remember, back in the day, only a couple weeks ago, that we were afraid of an ebola epidemic in the united states and it never happened. >> no, and we did a fantastic job maintaining that when it did hit our shores. the real sit almost 18,000 people have been infected, more than 6,000 people have died. we had a handful of cases here, that was serious and scary and great work was done in the
united states. panicked as we were at the time we can say we did a wonderful job, but the reality is the crisis is happening in liberia, sierra leone and guinea taken continues to. >> i'm glad you're honoring doctors and ebola fighters because we certainly demonized them for a time in the united states. >> we did. >> thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. still to come from king james to kobe, ball greats are taking a stand wearing "i can't breathe" shirts at high-profile events. er they sending the right message? we'll talk after a break.
outrage over the death of eric garner is spreading to a new arena. the warmups to last night's game against the kings, kobe bryant and nearly every other los angeles laker donned a t-shirt bearing the phrase "i can't breathe." the remps to eric garner's last words. lebron james wore the same message monday night and the players from the st. louis rams putting their hands up in support of michael brown, the unarmed african-american teenager killed by white police officer darren wilson just a few weeks ago. i'm joined by the co-founder of hands up united torrey russell. >> thanks for having me. >> you guys have been protesting in the streets and you have been talking. >> yes. >> anything concrete changing? >> i think we're changing the minds and the hearts of the people. people are awake, seeing how the system is pressing out and how racially biased it is. you can tell from just the
response we're getting. 118 days later, after the mike brown protests originally -- >> what kind of protests are you talking about? >> we went to the white house, that validate what we're talking about, president obama invited us to the white house. i don't know any other movement by young black and brown people that took 100 days to get into the white house. >> gotcha. some people might say it's great that lebron james and kobe bryant are showing their support but also doing it at a forum where people go to have fun. some people might think they're forcing the issue down the throats of people and turning them off. do you think there's a danger in that? >> when i was driving out west, i made a right on canfield, seeing mike brown's body put in the back of an unmarked black suv. that was uncomfortable, and i have to, we have to understand that it has to be a distraction and we have to undistract the distractions and that's what the games are.
i'm proud of he will wron. i i'm proud of lebron and kobe and you have nigerian players putting "i can't breathe" and they see the international human rights issues from afar. >> magic johnson also spoke out about this. i want to you listen to what he had to say. >> they have to be at a table with the mayor, with the governor, probably with the president, sit down, how can we come up with a strategy to make it better for everybody, because there's a disconnect and a trust issue when it comes to african americans and the police right now. so we got to somehow bring everybody together. >> so i think what magic johnson is talking about, he's calling for a summit that involves the president and police, because there's got to be, they have to talk. they have to come up with solutions. do you think that's the way to go? >> that's one step. i just want to know who's going to be in the room. i haven't seen magic johnson out there protesting, so i think it
would be young black and brown people, people like me, phil agman, patrice from "black lives matter" and people who have been out in the streets and part of the solution. i think what's different now, you have young people who can protest and also go into the meetings for solutions. >> what you really need to affect change is money and by that i mean money going to political candidates who can get into office and force change, and the only people who can really accomplish that are people like magic johnson. words are one thing, money is another. >> yes. i mean, i -- >> is anybody coming forward doing that? >> not really. i put people over profit and money. >> it's not people and profit. it's political power. >> you can tell how people vote disenfranchised people vote. we're upset with the system, so this vote something not going to solve this, just praying is not going to solve this. it takes a cohesive amount of solutions and just voting, we know in ferguson, missouri, we're harassed at the polling stations, something that you can only see in the 1950s, so some
people not allowed to vote. lot of us are locked up felons, so that's taken away votes as well so i have to push back when you say that voting is the way out of this and money is the way out of it. i think money is what's driving racism. it's very profitable for some people and disenfranchising others. >> what is the answer, besides talking and protesting in the streets? what is the answer? >> hopefully everybody can refine their humanity, they can see a human being for a human being and allowing black and brown people's self-determination and self-liberation that, means basic human rights. today is international human rights day. we should be talking about how black and brown people's land have been taken, we don't have enough land, don't have adequate housing. you can go to detroit. we don't have access to water the same way you go to africa and do the same thing. these issues, this oppression has no boundaries t has no borders and everyone can see that. i think that's the way out, just
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good morning. i'm carol costello. thanks so much for joining me. u.s. troops on the alert this morning as jihadists issue a worldwide call for retaliation. on websites and social media, muslim extreme is are seizing of the washington torture report and the brutal interdwags of some 9/11 terror suspects. iran's supreme leader weighing in on twitter, says the report is "a aim boll of tyranny" and calls the u.s. government "a corrupt capitalist regime that debased and misguided its own citizens." barbara star, good morning. >> let's talk about this report. just one of the top detainees the u.s. was holding, abu zubaydah, he was deprived of sleep for days, subject to enhanced interrogations and
according to the report that was just the beginning of it all. the brutality is shocking. the report reveals rectal feeding. at least one detainee died from hypothermia. >> stripped naked, diapered, physically struck, and put in various painful stress positions for long periods of time. they were deprived of sleep for days. in one case, up to 180 hours. >> reporter: one detainee had his lunch purepureeed and poure into his rectum. he attempted to cut his wrists, chew into his arm and cut a vein in his foot. much kept from george w. bush's own secretary of state. >> there are cia records stating that colin powell wasn't told about the program at first, because there were concerns that, and i quote "powell would
blow his stack if he were briefed." >> reporter: a former top cia official says some details were held closed but that the agency did not engage in torture. >> absolutely not. absolutely not. people of conscience can disagree on this, but the people who are on the front lines were actually engaged in trying to defend america against terrorists. they have to rely on the legal advice that they are given. >> reporter: some of the worst abuse occurred at a secret location called cobalt where detainees were walked around naked or shackled with their hands above their heads for extended periods of time. cia officers dragged detainees hooded down hallways, slapping and punching them, and in an admission in cia documents that waterboarding did cause physical harm. abu zubaydah became completely
unresponsive with bubbles rising through his open full mouth. internal cia records called khalid sheikh mohammed's waterboardings close to drowning. >> it produced little useful intelligence to help us track down the perpetrators of 9/11 or prevent new attacks and atrocities. >> the cia did issue a detailed and lengthy response saying what it did was legal, that it did get intelligence that helped prevent future attacks but also acknowledging that some mistakes were made. carol? >> barbara starr reporting live from the pentagon this morning. this new threat of extremist attacks brings fresh urgency to capitol hill. minutes from now, congress will refocus its scrutiny on the deadly failures to protect the u.s. consulate in benghazi.
house select committee is reviewing the 2012 attack that killed an an ambassador and three other americans. what lessons have been learned and applied to protect u.s. facilities and americans abroad. cnn global affairs correspondent elise labott joins us from washington with more. >> good morning, carol. this house select panel is the second hearing they've discussed how to protect u.s. facilities abroad. there's been so much done about the attacks themselves and the aftermath and how the administration handled it but one of the things this house panel will be focused on is how to protect u.s. facilities abroad, and in september, the assistant secretary of state greg starr, who will be also for diplomatic security, testifying today, talked aboutment so som recommendations made, about 70 in total, that the state department has been implementing, such as increasing marine presence in high-threat posts, increasing the type of security officers at these high threat posts and other types of
security improvements to the actual facility. now, since the benghazi attacks, congress has increased funding, and senior state department officials tell me that slowly but surely, they are increasing the actual security infrastructure at all those posts, in addition to more personnel, carol. >> elise labott reporting, thanks so much. investors are watching markets closely this morning, following tuesday's early losses and late rebound. the dow plumbitied more than 200 points before recovering sharply later in the afternoon. alison kosik is at the new york stock exchange, good morning. >> good morning, carol. the bears are still front and center despite global markets in recovery mode. european markets are higher at the moment. the reasons stocks are in the red, the same issues that weighed on stocks yesterday are still here, specifically economies in the eurozone and china are slowing down. there's some of our biggest trading partners and after recovering yesterday oil prices
falling down 2.5%. what changed things today is that opec's monthly oil report came out and that group really influences the price of oil and what they said was that they're forecasting less demand for oil next year, and that's really, carol, been a big part of why we've seep stocks become so volatile lately. i mean, you know, as we're enjoying the lower gas prices, i love to fill up under $3 a gallon when i fill up my car. these are prices we haven't seen in years. the problem is, at least how wall street sees it is it's wreaking havoc on energy companies that rely on high oil prices to make a profit. you're seeing investors rest well a couple of questions. are we seeing the falling energy prices, is that good or bad and are they falling because there's more supply or falling because of a lack of demand because of a slowdown in economies. chew on that question a while, carol. >> so should we expect volatility to be the norm again?
>> it may not be the norm, but i would say expect things to be a bit rockier until there's something that really drives the market higher with conviction, and you know, it's not such a bad thing to see these little pullbacks in the market. it's healthier instead of just shooting straight up, because it gives opportunity for others to maybe jump in, when they saw the market just skyrocketing higher. we could see incentive for a buy-in tomorrow if retail sales numbers for november come out positive. the big question as well, is that extra money that consumers have in their pockets from lower gas prices is the extra money going to holiday shopping? there is some skepticism whether or not that's happening. we'll see how retail sales numbers come out tomorrow, carol. >> alison kosik, thanks so much. still to come, under fire, a new senate report is slamming the cia for using brutal tactics to obtain information from suspected terrorists. here's the catch -- lawmakers say it didn't work. so why is a former congressman telling angry americans to grow up. we'll ask him, next.
waterboarding, forced rectal feeding, sleep deprivation and mock executions, those are just a few of the grisly details outlined in a new senate intelligence report that slams the cia's use of enhanced interrogation techniques on suspected terrorists. now the report found that brutal tactics often led to false confessions, deadly, and torture tactics did not lead osama bin laden's capture. the report is being met with mixed reaction. former congressman joe walsh is causing a stir online tweeting this "look, quit naval gazing on the ci, a torture report.
yeah we engaged in torture, good, big deal. now go focus on defeating the islamic enemy." welcome, joe. >> good to be with you, carol. >> tell us about some of the reaction your tweets have been getting? >> it's been lively. look i was trying to make a serious point. i'm amazed, i was in washington for two years. everybody is all abuzz that we had to do some pretty tough things to fight an evil enemy. i'm glad they put the report out. i'm glad though because i don't think we should be ashamed of what we put out. again, we're fighting an evil enemy. there are times when we need to get our hands dirty when we fight that enemy. >> you said some of the responses you got were spirited, one response was from glenn greenwald and he responded to your tweet "this creti was in the u.s. congress." he called you a cretin. >> i respect a lot of green greenwald's work. debris with him, i think this information should be are he leased. the difference is i don't have a
problem with what's released. i think we can never, ever forget who we're dealing with. we're dealing with isis, al qaeda. they don't abide by the geneva convention. they can't even spell the geneva convention. this say different kind of war that demand -- >> tit-for-tat? >> we need to get our hands dirty to fight this enemy. >> i don't mean to be crass or disrespectf disrespectful, is an american hero someone instructed by our government to conduct rectal force feedings on a prisoner or chain someone naked to a concrete floor until he dies? or nearly drown them two to three times a day, is that the definition of an american hero? >> it may, carol, be part of the job description. our men and women, and again, the cia, they've been on the ground -- >> really? >> absolutely. we forget as americans who we're dealing with. you got to be frank, we're dealing with animals. we're dealing with groups of people who behead, blow up,
exterminate people. >> so we, too, should be animals? >> the way you defeat is to oftentimes act like. >> eric fehr a former interrogator and writes "i can't be forgiven for abu ghraib. most americans haven't read the most, most never will. but it stands as a permanent reminder of the country we once were." echoes the comments company condition made on the senate floor. >> -- painful and unnecessary and contrary to assertions made by some of its defenders, and as the committee's report makes clear, it produced little useful intelligence to help us track down the perpetrators of 9/11 or prevent new attacks and atrocities. i know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners will produce more bad than good
intelligence. >> all right, so john mccain was a prisoner of war. he was tortured himself. he knows what he's talking about. he's a hawk. he's a republican. he often disagrees with president obama. >> right. >> is he wrong? >> yes, he's wrong in this respect. he's one voice, carol, and for every john mccain -- >> how can you say he's wrong? >> i can produce other folks who have served who disagree respectfully with mr. mccain. i've listened to your show this morning. there's an honest disagreement as to the effectiveness of interrogation and torture. plenty of people say it's an important tool. all i'm saying is, war is messy. >> our cnn analyst, bob baer, said the cia cannot cite one specific example of how enhanced interrogation thwarted an attack, not one. >> bob baer -- >> they say they kind of led to stuff but they're not specific. he says the cia ought to be specific, and then maybe there wouldn't be an argument. >> they should be. bob baer also said he doesn't know --
>> how can you say it works when we don't have a specific incident? >> again, when you listen to our folks on the ground, and bob baer also said he doesn't know, i don't know, you don't know, which is why the cia should put it out there. the cia, our intelligence officials have said that interrogation methods helped lead to the capture of osama bin laden, helped prevent possibly, carol, a west coast 9/11. i don't think we should discount that. >> this is what happened according to the senate intelligence report with osama bin laden, abu xu bay zha gave them the information. >> what happened with the intelligence report this was a democrat report. they didn't even interview the people on the ground responsible for this program. it wasn't bipartisan, which they typically are. look, i agree that they should have put the report out, but they put it out for totally different reasons. to embarrass this country. >> you think it's political to embarrass the country and democrats would do that just to embarrass the country because what's in their report were cnn or cia testimonials, right?
it wasn't just they were just pull this from the air. >> you know what's fascinating, carol -- >> this was records they were overseeing. >> the report doesn't make one recommendation. that's unheard of, not one recommendation. i have a lot of respect for dianne feinstein. she does not believe the united states should be engauge eengau this behavior. that's why they put it out. i believe we should be engaged in this behavior because we're fighting an enemy unlike the likes we've fought before. >> cia director john brennan is defending the cia. he seemingly did not approve its tactics in 2013. this is what he told a senate panel just last year. let's listen. >> i was aware of the program, i was cc'd on some of the documents but no oversight and wasn't involved in its creation. i expressed my personal objections and views to some
agency colleagues about certain of those eits, such as waterboarding, nudity and others, where i professed my personal objections to it, but i did not try to stop it because it was, you know, something that was being done in a different part of the agency under the authority of others. >> so even he had personal objections to some of the things that they were doing. >> and he also said in response to this report that the interrogation methods helped. look, you and i can argue this back and forth. i'm glad it's out there. let the american people decide. the only point i was making with my commentary yesterday was grow up, america. this is messy. we are fighting animals who would behead you and i, carol. to defeat that enemy we've got to get our hand dirty. >> but they're still doing that and we acted like animals, right, during abu ghraib and also after 9/11, and isis is beheading people. it didn't stop anything. >> no, and it's going to be a difficult war, and part of this
exercise of tying the hand of and men women trying to defend us is comical. let them do their work and their job. we're it he baiting what we do. you have the u.n. calling for cia torture trials. how comical is that? look at the enemy we're fighting, carol. >> there are u.n. rules in place about torture and even though no one is calling this torture, what the cia did, there are others who believe it definitely was. >> u.n. rules about torture that the united states don't abide by. >> we should be excused but other countries should not. >> we we have to do what we need to do to defeat this evil enzbli thanks for coming in, i appreciate it. i'm back in a minute.
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. carolina panthers star quarter cam cam newton is in the hospital with two fractures in his back after a car accident. newton's truck flipped after a collision with a car near the panthers' home stadium. the driver of the other vehicle also hurt. our cnn chief medical correspondent sanjay go up a and rachel nichols join me to talk about this. let's talk about his injury because that sounds really painful. >> it does sound painful. so he -- i brought this model to show you this. this is not that uncommon an injury, especially in people in car accidents. the body is moving, suddenly
stops as a result of the accident and the pine has movement. the bone we're talking about, i don't know how well you can see this, but it's this bone in here called the transverse process. it's sort of one of the bones on the outside of the spain. that's important for a couple reasons. here's the area where the nerves are and the spinal cord can be 234 that area. this isn't in that area so it's line likely he'll have injury to the muscles that control his legs or take away his strength or anything like that. it's surrounded by a lot of other muscles and those muscles get inflamed, that i get angry. it's pain. angry muscles. >> angry muscles. >> the worst kind. >> it hurts a lot but in terms of his spinal cord injury or nerve injury or something like that, it's very unlikely. this has happened to other people. >> is it a fast recovery? >> it depends a bit. people recover at different speeds. i had a similar injury myself. i'm not an athlete but i fell down a flight of stairs.
you're just sore. >> you're a big man to admit that. >> yes, i fell down stairs. i was sleepy. the -- but it hurts, you get spasms but i wasn't throwing a football or doing that kind of activity either so i could recover more quickly. >> tony romo played with something like that, rachel? >> it's an odd coincidence because donie romo was injured playing football. he took a knee to the back during a reds game. he didn't play the following week, he played the week after that at a lot of treatment and several painkiller shots so we'll have to see what happens with cam newton. i'm going to put it out there, the panthers do play the tampa bay buccaneers this weekend. that's a team with a 2-11 record. possibly a team you might still feel competitive with if you field your backup quarterback instead. we'll have to see. but the that is the scenario that happens then i think panthers fans would hope if they don't have cam newton this weekend they possibly could have him the following weekend when they play the browns. they're still competitive in the
hunt for the nfc south division title. >> i was thinking of the panthers record, you're right. it's a bad zblidivision. would it be a good idea to put him back in the game? we talk about how players are used on the field because they're put back in too early after injuries. why take the chance even if he would have made all the difference. >> i don't know what your thoughts are, rachel. unlike a concussion, concussive injury where the brain has been bruised and if you bruise it again that could be a really, really devastating problem. this is really much more about comfort. there's no risk to damaging the nerves or the spinal cord or anything like that. it's how much he can tolerate it. if you give him painkillers, how much that affects his play, i don't know. >> what's interesting about this discussion, this leads into one of the other discussions we have had about nfl players and painkillers. there's a huge lawsuit going on with former players saying with injuries like this one where it's just supposedly about pain tolerance and can you shoot them
up and get them out on the field, those former players are suing for many millions of dollars saying their long-term health was damaged and they didn't know the risks. now we're in that position right now with the player. >> and some players got addicted, right? >> it has to be a short-term proposition. if it's for a short time it shouldn't be a problem but it's an excellent zbloibt a lot of pressure for cam newton to get on the field. >> especially after you bring the romo thing up. he's back in after one game. >> how tough are you. that's what the question becomes for these guys as opposed to a question about their long-term health. >> rachel nichols, sanjay gupta, thanks so much. the next hour of cnn "newsroom" after a break.
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good morning, i'm carol costello. u.s. troops on alert, jihadist rallying on line. muslim extremists are issuing a worldwide call to retaliate for the so-called torture report. it's graphic revelations of how the cia brutally interrogated some 9/11 terror suspects, it could put americans in the cross hairs at home or abroad. just minutes from now, the house speaker john boehner is due to hold a news conference. when mr. boehner speaks, we'll take it live for you. the cia's tactics described in chilling detail