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about sue, the t. rex and shocking developments after paleontologists discovered this. that's tomorrow night at 9:00 eastern here on cnn. we continue on. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. top of the hour here. swift response from extremists all around the world vowing revenge for the torture inflicted on their own comrades at the hands of the cia. even north korea now calling the brutal torture tactics used on terror suspects a double standard. iran calling the u.s. a "symbol of tyranny." fearing retaliation, military bases are on high alert right now over this one report. the cia accused of sexually abusing detainees in pitch dark rooms, chaining them up, forcing them to go days and days without sleep. it's graphic. rectal feedings. near drowning.
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even a death in the name of intelligence gathering. the goal never was achieved but the cia tells a different story. they're unapologetic. they claim these enhanced interrogation techniques did help stop terror attacks. joining me now, peter baker, white house correspondent for "the new york times." peter, welcome. >> thanks for having me. >> let's get right to your interview with vice president dick cheney. let me just read his quote that's being read all over. what i keep hearing out there is they portray this as a rogue operation. i think that's all a punch of hooey. tell me what else he told you. >> vice president cheney remains the strongest champion of this program of interrogation. doesn't accept the idea it was torture which a lot of other people feel and believes strongly that it did produce results and doesn't accept the
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idea that it didn't. he says the democratic committee was in fact motivated to absolve themselves and that they themselves had some briefings on this at least some of the leadership did and that they were now trying to put the finger back on the administration and cia for things they themselves had some responsibility for. >> one of the biggest headlines and one of the biggest questions is how far did this go in terms of who knew what and when? we know the president wasn't briefed until mid 2006 and he mentioned the waterboarding of khalid shaikh mohammed in his memoir but cheney admits they authorized torture early on. doesn't that contradict what he says or what this report actually found? >> it does in a way. the report says the cia itself never gave a full briefing to the president until four years in. if you look at the memoirs and
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you look at interviews, yes, we knew about it and we approved it. they're not trying to say they didn't have any responsibility for it. it's possible what happens here is that the cia didn't do a briefing and it may be that president bush was given a general understanding of it by his own aides, condoleezza rice, national security adviser. but didn't get the kind of more granular detail briefing he got eventually in 2006. >> let's flash back. this was president bush right around that time. take a listen. >> i want to be clear. the united states does not torture. >> so that was september of 2006. talking to a number of people who say president bush was absolutely in the dark. i wonder from you, who was more in the dark? how in the dark was president bush? >> well, i think when they say in the dark, they didn't give him the kind of granular briefing that they eventually did. they didn't tell him about some
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of the specific cases and so forth. how much he didn't know is an open question. he says i was involved in it. i did understand it. in his memoir he was specifically asked was it okay to use these techniques on khalid shaikh mohammed when they captured him in 2003 and he says he thought about the widow of daniel pearl, the washington journal reporter who was killed and the 5,000 victims on 9/11 and his answer to george tenant was damn right. >> he was told about some of the details about torture and his word was he felt uncomfortable. >> he said when it was described for him detainee being chained to the ceiling and dressed in a diaper and urinating and defecating on himself, he expressed discomfort about this. he hasn't said it publicly. a few months later he gave that speech that you just showed in september of 2006 in which he actually sort of began to say we're going to end these secret prisons overseas and bring
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prisoners back into the light at guantanamo where there was an accounting for them and move forward. at the same time, he did defend the program. he said we do not torture and he didn't accept tactics they use constituted torture. he said they were necessary in his view to defend the country. that's something the senate committee is taking issue with. >> peter baker, "the new york times," thank you very much. i want to stay on this and talk more details coming out here. one of the sites the torture took place was a place called the dungeon. >> detainees were kept in complete darkness, constantly shackled in isolated cells with large noise or music and only a bucket to use for human waste. the u.s. bureau of prison personnel went to that location in november 2002, and according to an internal cia e-mail told cia officers they had "never been in a facility where
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individuals are so sensory deprived." >> when you look at this report, it says they were deprived of food and heat. one died of hypothermia. after his death the cia officer in charge of his interrogation was given a $2,500 bonus. senior congressional correspondent from "the daily beast" is here. tim, thank you for joining me from capitol hill. the way you point out details in your piece is why we wanted to have you on. you open the piece saying at the cia's' detention site, the lights were never turned on and curtains and painted exterior windows. tell me about the torture that happened there. >> this is a site where an individual detainee was slapped and punched and dragged across a dirt floor and later stripped, chained to the floor of his cell and found dead the next morning. this is the site where no one would ever turn the lights on where prison guards would only
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go in with headlamps and there was very little heat even in the afghan winter. this is a site where many of the worse abuses outlined in the cia report released by the senate intel committee yesterday are outlawed. >> you go on just getting into the specifics, you talk about this one detainee to be held saying he was left hanging by handcuffs and not allowed to lower his arms 22 hours for two consecutive days. he was kept cold. had music blasted at him and was shackled and hooded. and so this apparently later became the model for the treatment of some of these detainees but cia leadership, attorneys according to you and this report had very little knowledge about what was happening there. >> there wasn't a lot of accountability for a long time. the person was running it in the first years at this detention
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site was a junior officer without experience in interrogation and detention. cia officials who came in and looked at this described prisoners reacting like they were dogs in a kennel. they would cower when doors were opened. federal prison officials that visited this site said they were wowed by how deprived of light and sound these prisoners were. these were some pretty brutal conditions. >> tim, thank you. next, more of this. montel williams joins me live here on set. the former marine has some strong words about america's use of torture. find out who he says is to blame. plus, one study suggests torture scenes in hollywood skyrocketed after 9/11 which led to americans approving more and more of it. we'll discuss that and athletes sporting these "i can't breathe" t-shirts ahead of games joining protests across america. hear how the nba commissioner is
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raise your hands if you awoke september 11, 2001, and after the previous days death and mayhem you said to yourself, whoever did this, let's find them, let's find them no matter what it takes. no matter what it takes. a lot of people said that including many who probably surprised themselves by doing so because the fact is a lot of americans got behind something
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that some now seem to regret. think about that. montel williams is with me now. you know him as an actor, tv host, marine, 22 years in the service. we appreciate that. in fact, we minored in international security studies so great to have you here. >> great to be here. thank you. >> in reading all of this when we talk first -- i'm keeping you over a break. a lot to ask you about. a lot of outrage and frustration over this torture report that came out. i always try to remember in the hours and days after 9/11, the fear and climate at the time. >> we did what we had to do. now we should do what we as a nation should do and admit our fault. admit we made a mistake. this is not who we are. there are people who put on uniforms, put their lives on the line all over the world. they are ready to die for us. they are ready to die for what is the image of america. the constitution. we support the laws that we put
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in place and treaties that we signed onto. we did what we had to do to make sure we stopped a terrorist activity from continuing. now that we did it, we need to tell the world the truth. >> what falls under the category of a mistake? does torture fall under the category of mistake? >> we can always be arm chair quarterbacks. every issue in america today is all about how we can divide us into two camps and fight. stop the fighting. what we can do is when we make a mistake, we admit it. we did what we needed to do at the time. we tortured people. we did it. >> according to this report, it didn't get us any significant spell generals. -- intelligence. >> i can look back now at our past and look at the mistakes
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america has made in different things and we can write books and reports about it and complain or we can get on and say we'll never do it again. that's the most important thing. look at john mccain. he is a p.o.w. he understands that if we don't step up and tell the world we don't like what did you or what you do, the next time a female soldier of ours gets captured, i pity what we see on the news. >> he stood on the floor yesterday and admits the dissenting opinion from his colleagues and saying this being torture put a stain on our national honor. i wonder from you if given everything we've now learned is america better off or worse off from it? >> we'll be better in how we behave with this information. we show the rest of the world that we'll take the leadership position and admit our fault and
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say we made a mistake and promise you the reason why the american populous is weighing in on this is because this is how democracy works. >> why should they believe us and so many people were kept in the dark? >> they should believe us now because, again, it's how we do it. you make a mistake and step up and say i did it. sorry. i'm not trying to make light. we made a mistake. america should admit it. stop arguing the particular. the rest of the world is looking at us and right this minute if i'm not mistaken did not the president put 1,500 troops on the ground in somebody else's country trying to convince them to buy into this democracy? you only buy into something that you believe the other people believe in. when this country steps up to the plate and says we hold leaders accountable and those people accountable that made a mistake, let's never make it again, that makes us a better people. that's the country i put a uniform on. >> i have more for you.
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you're watching cnn. thank you for being with me. montel williams back with me. i want to get your reaction to an interview that sort of exploded last week with charles barkley. i sat down with charles barkley trying to get different perspectives on what happened in the wake of the nonindictment in ferguson and in new york a
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general sense from different young people and so many i talked to when we were marching and i was covering them last week. this is charles barkley who is backing police. he has a lot of law enforcement friends over the outrage here that the protests are still going strong. take a listen to what charles told me. >> all these race baiters, white and black, race baiters, white and black, are muddying the water and i want to make clear the notion that cops are out there killing black men, i think that's ridiculous. let me tell you something. i'm not worried about what people think about me. i have always known as a black man any time you disagree with black people, you're an uncle tom or a sell out. >> people have called you an uncle tom because of comments you made on the radio in philadelphia. >> i have known that for 51 years. any time you disagree with black people, you're an uncle tom or a
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sellout. we'll never be successful as a people because we don't respect each other. they can't just disagree with me. they got to call me names. >> montel williams? >> charles and i are friends. three weeks ago in l.a. staying at a hotel and my daughter and i are walking down the hallway and charles was coming in the restaurant. my daughter freaked out. she said i thought you were cool but i didn't know you knew somebody like charles. went nuts. tweeted out all over the place. it was great. i want to say this. charles, i listened to that interview, a lot of it. i would say probably in about 90% of that or 85% of that he and i would sit down and come to some reasons why we can agree or at least understand each other. one of the things that charles pointed out that's very, very critical here is that not only is it among black people but it's among white people. this country will not and has not even attempted to have a serious conversation on race and
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really have the serious conversation. we always come to the table pointing at an issue or an incident and trying to justify why we feel the way we do based on an incident. >> that's what he was saying over something bad that happens we talk about race. why can't we talk about race when nothing horrible has happened? >> why can't we admit to the fact -- i've done a lot of shows in the last couple days. everyone wants to try to change the dialogue. it has nothing to do with race. it only has to do with social economics. that's a bunch of crap. the truth of the matter is we have a race issue. it flows both ways. it's not just white to black. it's also black to white. knowing that and understanding that, there is also a group of people legislated against as much as blacks. so we have a systematic system that taught people for a couple hundred years how to separate from black people differently than separating from others. back in the '40s and '50s, soldiers could come back from
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far east and married to whoever they wanted and people accepted that. there are more biracial marriages in the country than we've ever seen. i have a mother who is half white. i have an issue of race in my family since day one. okay. i have four biracial children. i have an issue in my family for the rest of my life because everywhere they go people look. so why don't we stop for a second and say america didn't get here without everyone involved and we're not getting to the next place without everyone involved. let's have a conversation. >> it's been so interesting talking to charles, talking then to these young people that really have -- there's a huge movement. as i was on hour seven of walking with these people, these young people last week, it felt like for the first time -- i'm being honest. it felt like something was happening and people were in the middle of something. the question is what are they getting to? folks say they stop traffic. i don't understand what their
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message is. where are they trying to get? >> this is so much bigger than anybody in this country will stop and have a conversation about, brooke. all over america ever race, every socioeconomic background and every demographic from age is out in the streets together. i saw in berkeley old women pushed by police. this isn't about ferguson. it's not about what happened in new york now. this is a movement of people in this country who said enough is enough with the way we felt and thought about issues like race and other things. >> do you have law enforcement friends? >> plenty of them. >> what do they say? >> it's across the gamut. one of the most poignant comments i heard from a law enforcement person in the last three weeks was one that said this argument about militarization of our communities, he's a police officer, is absolutely true. the difference between police and our military is when we give them these weapons, we give them rules of engagement. we're selling weapons to civilians and not giving them
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any rules of engagement. the pictures that you showed of the police officers pulling up in ferguson and locking and loading on demonstrators with a weapon, that soldier had he been a soldier in afghanistan would have been court-martialed and lost his career because they have rules of engagement. we have to pay attention to the whole of rules of engagement and have a conversation. >> there was nypd following these different protesters along and giving them their space. >> it's a wonderful thing. let's go back a couple hundred years. that's the reason why a party called the tea party is around. we did social unjustice way back then. that tea party. first one dumped tea but they walked up and down the streets and taook tea south of stores. i have no problem with protests. it's annoying, yeah. i fought to give people the right to lay down in the street. and protest because they weren't happy. i'm never going to deny a person
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that right. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> come back. >> i want to be back. thank you. >> montel williams. coming up, did you see the movie "zero dark 30?" how about the tv series "24?" a new study says you may be more supportive of torture. we'll talk to a woman behind the fascinating study next. ♪
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bro'. your jihad is over. >> that was "zero dark 30" that chronicled the manhunt for osama bin laden. the message of torture were not from this hollywood blockbuster. you read the details. ice water baths. rectal feedings. slappings. sleepless nights. all practices the senate report suggests were ineffective and more brutal than allegedly thought. for hollywood, torture scenes are working. the number of torture scenes in television have skyrocketed and there was a recent study that shows that when people see torture as being effective in fictional tv scenes, they are more likely to support it. we have an american scholar now who joins me now to explain. welcome, erin. with this study, what were you
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looking for? >> well, in this study we were looking to see if as some people such as brigadier general patrick finnegan attempted to convince producers of "24" to show scenes where torture didn't work sometimes and he thought it was having a detrimental effect on troops. are people impacted by scenes that show torture in the media? does this impact perceptions in favor of or in opposition to these practices? >> so a scene such as we're about to show you for you "24" fans out there. a clip from "24." fighting bad guys and this is part of what you showed these students. watch. >> tell me where the bomb is! tell me where the bomb is! >> fine.
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>> i will tell these men to kill your last son. where is the bomb? tell me now! >> so obviously not all groups in your study saw the same clips. tell me your methodology and what did you find? >> if how torture is depicted affects how people perceive the practice. we asked people about torture and also about four other potentially contentious current event topics to obscure the true purpose of our study and participants were asked about their stated level of support for each of these five topics and then were shown a series of
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video clips where they were assigned to one of three conditions about torture. they saw a clip where torture was shown to work such as the clip you are seeing now where the tactics do get the information that's necessary to subvert disaster. we showed a version of the same clip but without that last piece where torture was shown to be effective so torture in that condition appeared to be ineffective and then we also had a condition where torture was not shown but just an interrogation. but we ended up finding what participants said their levels of support before seeing the videos and after seeing the videos, we saw that those who saw torture has being effective had a higher level of support for torture than participants in other two conditions. what's interesting is that participants that saw torture as being ineffective, which we expected if you see torture as being ineffective, you're less likely to support the practice when in fact that's not what we saw. that did not have an impact on
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people's stated level of support for torture. what's also interesting and important is in addition to asking what people say they believe who are also looking at people's actions because as we know from psychology and behavioral economics literature what people know can diverge from one another. we gave participants in support of and opposition of these practices so they had an option to sign one of two petitions sent to congress so we're also looking at not just what people say but also whether they will behaviorally commit to their stated views on torture vis-a-vis signing a petition. >> okay. so it was about petitions and supporting or not supporting when it wasn't as effective. it's interesting. we'll let you go. thank you so much for that study. that's hollywood's effect. then you have real life. this torture report from the senate. is the media making it into too
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big of a deal? >> cnn is doing it these days. you are hyping it to a point. >> that is the chairwoman of the senate intel committee, senator dianne feinstein you see her on with wolf blitzer. they had a fiery exchange. we'll talk to wolf about that back and forth and uber's huge problems worldwide. the car service now banned in multiple countries and accused of making false statements to consumers in california. in this accident... because there was no accident. volvo's most advanced accident avoidance systems ever. the future of safety, from the company that has always brought you the future of safety. give the gift of volvo this season and we'll give you
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the senator, the chairwoman of this committee who made a decision to release the cia's torture secrets accused cnn of "hyping up possible violence" in response to the report. the problem is the warnings aren't coming from cnn. they're coming from the united states government. and during a tense interview, my colleague, wolf blitzer, challenges dianne feinstein. listen. >> if americans are killed as a result of this report, and they tell you that i assume you would feel guilty about that. >> of course. what do you think, wolf blitzer? we lose control. at the end of this year, the republicans take control and there's some evidence that this report would never see the light of day. we believe it should see the light of day. cnn is doing this these days. you are really hyping it to a point obviously they're going to take 96 hours before the report
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came out to secure all our facilities. >> let me interrupt for a second. you and i are friends. we've known each other for a long time. when the department of defense issues a warning saying thous d thousands of marines are on a higher state of alert around the world in advance of the release of this report and when the department of homeland security and the fbi issue a joint statement going out to all law enforcement authorities across the united states, be on a higher state of alert, cnn is not releasing those statements. we're just reporting what the pentagon and the department of homeland security and the fbi are telling law enforcement and military personnel around the world. that's their words. not ours. >> do you have a question? do you have a question? >> i just wanted to point out -- >> you have pointed it out, wolf, three times. >> good for you, wolf blitzer. that's absolutely true.
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the government is sending out the warnings. let me just begin with something she said off the top. i find it interesting. the democrats -- you look at the timing of this, they made sure to release this report before january when the republicans take over. >> right. i suspect that she thought if she didn't release it this week, it wouldn't be released for the next two years when republicans become the majority in the senate and majority in the senate intelligence committee and republicans could hold up releasing any documents they want to hold up. senator feinstein has been trying for six months, maybe even a year or two, to get this report out. it's been available. the white house, cia, department of justice, national security agency, department of defense, all have been going through it. the 500 or 600 pages were released, 10% of the 6,000 pages that are classified right now. she's been working hard. she wanted to get it out for a long time but there have been
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delays after delays and she acknowledged in the interview this is the last chance the american public will get to see the declassified redacted version this week because in january the republicans are going to be in the majority and certainly there is a good chance they would be able to hold it up. >> quite an interview. part of the narrative today is that feinstein is getting heat for not interviewing the interrogators making this a bigger, fuller picture report. did she address that with you? >> yes. she basically said they wanted to interview the personnel officials at the cia and contractors and others involved in these enhanced interrogation techniques and tactics, whatever you want to call it. the justice department she says early on told the senate intelligence committee you can't directly interview these people some who could be prosecuted for breaking the law. so don't talk to them directly.
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you can take a look at the transcripts of interviews done with these people by the inspector general and cia and others in the u.s. government but you can't directly question them so she says she didn't. i did interview the chief cia counsel during that time and he said he disputed what she was saying. if they would have come to him and other cia officials for q & a, they would have been happy to do so. they didn't want to incriminate themselves and may have resisted but officials would have been able to talk about what happened during those critical years after 9/11. they were never called for these kinds of q & a, question and answer periods that the senate intelligence committee report did not have the direct testimony from the cia officials. >> it was dianne feinstein yesterday and former cia chief will be with you in "the situation room." that's a huge get. a huge interview.
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>> we have alberto gonzalez. he was the white house counsel when they originally signed off on these enhanced interrogation techniques and later became the attorney general of the united states. it was one of those early meetings that rizzo from the cia lawyer was with alberto gonzalez. rizzo says at that meeting they said don't share this information with the then secretary of state colin powell. he could blow his stack if he hears about it. we'll speak to alberto gonzalez about those early meetings and whether to avoid telling someone like collin powell what was going on. a woman coming up doused with lighter fluid 19 years young set on fire and left to slowly burn to death on the side of this rural mississippi road but it is her final words that may lead police to her killer. we'll have a live report on that next. plus, that uber ride to the
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that wasn't burned was the bottom of her feet. that is a direct quote of investigators. jessica chambers was set on fire and left to die on a rural
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mississippi road over the weekend. when responders arrived chambers was near her car and her body horribly burned. the 19-year-old was still barely alive, but it was too late. she died later in a memphis hospital. a authorities told her father that her head had been bashed and she'd been doused with lighter fluid. >> they said that as far as they could tell they squirted fluid down her throat and up her nose because it burned her on the inside so bad. the doctor said there was nothing we could do. she was burned on 98% of her body. >> martin savidge is working this one for us today. the details are horrendous. do they think they know who did this? >> they believe they're closing in on who did this, brooke. this was such a horrific crime that even to investigators they say they've not seen anything like this for at least a decade or more. so there is an initial shock value even for them. this is a very small area, a
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very small town, i should say, less than 500 people. it was 8:00 on saturday night when a 911 call comes in and says hey, there is a car on fire on a county road. so the volunteer, that shows you how small the community s the volunteer firefighters and stumbling out of the darkness is this 19-year-old and the terrible thing is because it's a small town they realized who it was and they immediately tried to give her first aid and then, this is the key moment here. she hoarsely whispers something to the fire chief and those are her final words. she dies the next day. it is believed that what she said was her efforts to try to identify. i've talked to law enforcement there. they won't tell me what she said, but it's a clue and it's a lead they're following up on. >> it's incredible she had the wherewithal and strength to be able to whisper that. beyond this person's identity, do police in talking to them, do they have a clue as to why someone would have done this to her? >> no.
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who would carry out a murder, but on top of that, who would carry out such a vicious, heinous kind of death? again, small town. so you start looking at everybody here. they have brought in a number of people for questioning. nobody is under arrest. there was some talk that she was going to go to a party that evening. they've spoken, authorities have, to some of those at the party and said they never saw her there. i think one of the keys is going to be her cell phone. authorities say they recovered the cell phone and i was just on the phone with the d.a. and said we fwienlly got clearance legally to go inside. so the forensic kind of diagnostic now, the cell phone looking at texts and who was the last person to call. that was just getting under way and it could be, they say, the key to the whole investigation. >> horrible. thoughts with our family. martin savidge, thank you. >> you're welcome. uber banned in new delhi after a woman accusing her daughter of raping her, but here in the united states are you any safer? the state of california is suing
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both california cities suing uber over background checks. a lot of people use uber. we have to talk about this with lori segal. what are the issues in california, specifically? >> you mentioned background checks. >> yeah. >> the san francisco d.a. saying you guys aren't complying with the same background checks that our taxis here are complying to. these guys have to go in and get fingerprinted. uber drivers don't have to do that. i spoke with the san francisco d.a. earlier and they're filling out online applications and it's not as safe of a process. he also said that they've been looking at uber over the last year and they sent them multiple cease-and-desists and there are extra charges sometimes that they're saying that shouldn't be the case and one thing he said to me, brooke, that i thought was interesting was about your protection. if god forbid something were to happen to you when you were in an uber you might not have the same protection as if you were in a cab. listen to what he said. >> you look at the fine print in most of their stuff that they
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put out to the consumer and basically they're telling the consumer we assume no liability for you riding in one of the vehicles. this is a transaction between you and the driver and, you know, most of the public don't understand that. >> it's pretty scary to think, okay, if something were to happen to me this is a technology platform. they're not liable and this isn't their fault. it's these types of things that we're just berning well and the idea of the background check and what he said to me is he said he believes in this business, he believes in this type of transportation system, but he said that social responsibility and innovation shouldn't be mutually exclusive. we should feel safe when we get into those cars and those cabs. >> we talked to, was there an issue recently and we talked to the guy who started uber and he was very defensive about all of this and they do do the background checks and your point is not as thorough and online versus in person. people are still so many people use the service. >> and here's the thing.
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they just raised $1 billion. a $40 billion valuation. this company is valued at $40 billion. a lot of that was to expand internationally. if you look at what's happened internationally, it's been a bad week for uber. >> they were banned in new delhi after a passenger was allegedly raped and banned in thailand and spain. everyone is following suit. take a look at all of the places where they're facing these issues and part of what the issue is if you look at what happened in new delhi, travis, the ceo said he needed to work with the government in india for better background checks because it's not a one size fits all. they don't have complete control over these checks and we're seeing that safety is so important when it comes to your livelihood. >> let's stay on it and especially the idea that something, as you say, god forbid, happens, you should be able to be protected. lori segal, thank you so much. a lot of people have their ears perked when you talk about uber. thank you very much for being with me. i'm brooke baldwin in new york.
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