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24/7 on, and we will have more on the sony hack and the story on "rolling stone" and stay tuned with us as "state of the union" with candy crowley starts right now. a miracle on pennsylvania avenue. congress passes a compromise budget, keeping most of the government operating through september of 2015. today -- >> the yeas are 56, the nays are 40. >> senator chuck schumer on capitol hill's strange bedfellow moment and what it says about washington and the campaign trail. then -- >> hands up. >> don't shoot. >> reporter: massachusetts governor deval patrick joins us for a conversation on america's great divides, race and politics. then the nation's premiere spy agency condemned for brutal interrogation of terrorist suspects in the immediate post-9/11 era. >> there were no easy answers. >> where does the cia go to get its reputation back?
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congressman peter king joins me. and, he walks two worlds now, shaping history, defining his own future. more of our conversation with george w. bush on the cia, his father's legacy, and the new family business. >> mother called and said i hear you're a painter. she said, "paint my dogs." >> this is "state of the union." good morning from washington. i'm candy crowley. $1 trillion spending bill is on its way to president obama's desk after clearing the senate late last night. in addition to keeping the government open the senate is on track to approve a new number two at the state department, a new head of the social security administration, and maybe even a new surgeon general. joining me now is senate democratic leader chuck schumer. thank you for being here and it is a pleasure to be in-house. >> before we get going, i want to congratulate you for an amazing 27 years. you're the best of the old school journalism, study it thoroughly and ask the hard
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questions and you get the answers and there's no gimmicks or anything else. we're all going to miss you, democrats, republicans, everybody. job well done. >> thank you very much. and i didn't -- i didn't pay him to say that or anything. thank you. that's very know. >> she didn't even know. >> no, that's very nice of you, thank you. let me ask you to step back and look at how this bill passed. you know full well what the arguments were. you had in your party the warren wing as we call it now, and then those looking to compromise in the leadership, then we had in the republican party the tea party at odds with their more moderate wanting to do a compromise. so when you look at it, what does this comnibus as we call it now tell you about a the state of the democratic party? >> i think it shows that democrats will work together with republicans when we get things, when they want to get things done in both cases. >> some of them. >> well certainly enough to make a majority. the big news today was the open fight between mitch mcconnell
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and ted cruz. there are huge differences in the republican party. on the floor of the senate we saw the soul of the republican party being debated. ted cruz was in the well pushing his so-called constitutional point of order, which risks shutting down the government, five feet away from him was mitch mcconnell imploring senators to vote the other way and the vote, unfortunately, was about 50/50 on the republican side. and so that makes me worry a great deal, because if after the terrible, terrible brick paths republicans took when they shut down the government a few years ago, half the republican senators are still willing to risk it again, despite the fact that their leader went against it. i'm worried about the next two years, the chasm in the republican party is huge and one more point, it's going to get worse because first, you have the presidential candidates in the senate pulling things to the right. second, when they're in the majority, the tea party will
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field its oats. we want to work with republicans to help the middle class but i'm worried the tea party will pull them much too far over. >> you brought up the schism in the republican party, and i want to show you something that we have, and it's about how the potential 2016 candidates voted on this bill. now these are the candidates who voted no, senator rand paul, senator marco rubio. senator ted cruz and from your side, senator elizabeth warren, senator bernie sanders. so there was commonality among 2016 candidates that didn't like this bill. isn't that representative of the democrats also having a problem with their -- >> no. >> you had elizabeth war ehren, having her trying very hard and nancy e pelosi on the house side. >> yes, let me say this. i think that the the differences among democrats are small compared to the huge chasm of republicans. on the fundamental issues that face us, the economic issues
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that we need to address to get the middle class moving again, to get middle class incomes going again, there's amazing unity on the democratic side from elizabeth warren, through hillary clinton, all the way to joe manchin and some of the more conservatives. you look on issues like minimum wage and equal pay and infrastructure construction, helping people pay for college, the democratic party is unified and if we put together a strong economic message aimed at the middle class not only will it unify our party as the republicans are truly divided, but we can actually, actually do really well in 2016. >> let me ask you about that, because nancy pelosi on the house side tried to get her folks in the democratic caucus to vote against this bill. they were upset because they thought wall street was getting a big old break in here, and the president disagreed. i want to play you two quick bites of both of them. >> i think what the american people very much are looking for
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is some practical governance and the willingness to compromise. >> i'm enormously disappointed that the white house feels that the only way they can get a bill is to go along with this. >> and when the majority leader of the democrats, she's enormously disappointed in the democratic president, it's more than enormously disappointed. she's upset with him, as are democrats from elizabeth warren on the house side. tell me about the relationship between democrats and the president. >> okay, let me say this first. i think that what happened in the house, i thought nancy pelosi handled it extremely well. she knew the government couldn't be shut down. >> she lost, right. >> but she also knew that she had to show that democrats are needed, and so she provided a veto proof, a veto-sustainable group to say no. what anyone who thinks that democrats are going to be irrelevant in the upcoming congress, if you look at the house and the senate in both cases, the republican leaders
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needed democrats to actually get the government moving. their great plans of showing they could govern fell apart when their right wings deserted them and they had to turn to democrats. so i thought pelosi handled it well. and i think the idea that the bill passed, but at the same time house democrats showed that they could sustain a presidential veto because on almost most of the major economic issues that i mentioned were going to be united was goinging the to be a good thing. >> overriding a presidential veto from your own party would be a big deal. let me ask you, as we run out of time as always, two questions. the first is, you would argue with the fact that there is an equal amount of battle in the democratic party for the soul of the democratic party. you don't think that's what's happening -- >> no. >> -- with people pushing elizabeth warren to run? >> i think the soul of the democratic party is economic issues and i think on economic issues we are united and elizabeth warren is, even if people don't agree with her,
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she's constructive. she's not like ted cruz saying shut down the government or don't fund things if i don't get my way. she's working hard to move things in our direction and that's a good thing. ted cruz, on the other hand, people say he's a great political mover and shaker. he made huge mistakes yesterday. he helped -- >> helped you with your nominees. >> he helped us get nominees republicans didn't want, embarrassed mitch mcconnell who had gone home on friday night saying see you on monday and got republicans publicly for the first time talking against him. so i think comparing the two wings of the party is like night and day. >> and just finally and really quickly, i know you want her to run, but is there any doubt in your mind that hillary clinton will run? >> look, hillary hasn't asked, told me and i haven't dared ask her, but i'll bet she's running. i'll bet she'll be a great candidate, i'll bet she'll win by a large majority and democrats can help the middle
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y united, the people, we'll never be defeated! >> thousands of protesters gathered here in washington saturday for what organizers call a justice for all march. demonstrators heard from the mothers of trayvon martin, tamir rice, michael brown, and eric garner. >> our sons, you know, they may not be here in body, but they're here with us in each and every one of you, and they don't see this and make a change, then i don't know what we got to do. >> i want to thank the nation and the world for the support, because that's the only way i'm standing up right now. >> i don't have to tell not one single african-american about racial profiling, because you guys know. >> a demonstration was also held in boston this weekend, the hometown of massachusetts governor deval patrick, and he joins me now. thank you so much for being here. >> it's great to be with you, candy, thank you for having me. >> for several months now the question has been, will these horrific incidents lead to a movement, will they be moments that lead to a movement or are they just horrific moments that
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we look back and say oh, whatever happened with that? what do you think? >> well, i hope they lead to a broader and deeper kind of understanding, you know, not just the much vaunted conversation on race with you the examination of the differences in way people experience interactions with the police, the concerns that police have, the kind of fear that is out there in so many camps from so many different perspectives. i'm hopeful, because i think we've had moments in our past where we were facing what seemed like insurmountable gulfs between us, black and white, and all kinds of other differences, and as a nation, we have rallied back around our ideals of equality and freedom and opportunity and fair play. >> but government can't, if you look to, if we're looking to the government now in this, and
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you've talked a lot about neighborhoods and how that's where it starts in the community, but if you look at the government, they can't legislate unfear. >> i don't think it's all about legislation and fairness. i don't think there are certainly responsibilities that government and government leaders have to take in terms of the appropriate training and preparation of law enforcement, but there's a listening that we don't do very well in the united states today. it's not just in government. i think that's among average citizens. if we're going to have to listen a lot more closer to each other. >> what's the goal, do you think? movement need to have goals, whether it's the civil rights act in the '60s or, and so what is the goal here? >> such a great question, because you know, yesterday in boston, we had demonstrations as well, and we went to great lengths to try to connect with the organizers to the extent they were organized to get a sense of what they needed so we could accommodate the protests and respect that right and they weren't interested in engagement
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because part of the point was to be disruptive, and i think it does beg some questions, what is it we're trying to accomplish beyond disruption? certainly part of it is to make sure people understand just how broadly the concern lies around being understood, and not being fearful either as unarmed black men or as police, and that huge chasm of misunderstanding between the two has got to be bridged. >> and there is issues, as you say, such a broad group and you're not really sure what groups are showing up to protest, and movements need leaders. you know that. they need charismatic folks. we've seen the reverend al sharpton step into this role. is he an appropriate person to take this over and try to make this into a more than a conversation or more than a disruption? >> i think there will be many leaders, and some who probably
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have not emerged yet. some happening at the grass roots, a strong kind of leadership and by the way, that was a feature of the civil rights movement in the '60s as well. we pay a lot of attention, and we should to reverend dr. king and some of the other noted leaders but in fact it was an awful lot of very strong leadership that came from the grassroots and i think we'll so he that and have seen that in this movement as well. >> i'm going to move you on to the elections. democrats got pretty well drubbed in the midterms and moving forward. i read some of your comments about it, and you said that you felt the president had not been strong enough in pointing out what things had improved and how the economy had improved, and you know, that there should have been more discussion about that. >> i do believe that. i don't think that was the reason for the outcome in the
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election. >> what was the reason? >> i think the reason and the outcome in the elections is because democrats didn't stand for anything, and the democrats who lost are the ones who were saying, look, we're just not as bad as the other guys and gals. we are a party that believes in the american dream. we believe in the collaboration between government and the private sector to enable the american dream. it's a broad-based party. we are very specific about the things that we need to do economically and socially, to enable people to get a toehold in the middle class and to hang on, once they get there, and i think that that's a very powerful story. it is around convictions, and when we tell it, we win. >> we are now seeing at least playing out in the senate what many hope to see play out in the democratic primary, which is a battle for sort of the elizabeth warren, more progressive wing of the party, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, you know, versus more mainstream and in many ways this does mirror the
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republicans who have this fight about the reason we lost the presidency is because we had the wrong candidate. there are moderates. we need to go really more conservative. now you hear some democrats going we need to be more progressive here. we don't need to be like republicans. they seem to be mirror problems. do you think the democratic party is more elizabeth warren or do you think it's more a moderate? >> i love senator warren but i have to tell you, i don't think, candy, in fairness that it's quite that simple. i describe myself as a pro-growth progressive. we have at home a very disciplined in investing in education, innovation and in infrastructure. we've done that together with the private sector and emerged number one in the nation. in economic competitivenessb. >> business friendly. >> of course. >> that's an anathema sometimes. >> i was in business. this is the only elective office i've ever held. i'm a capitalist. i say that without apology. i just don't believe that markets solve every problem in everybody's life and i don't think government solves every problem in everybody's life. i think they have to work alongside each other and because we have been very disciplined and very collaborative and clear
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about our convictions, we lead the nation in education, health care, energy efficiency, and economic competitive, entrepreneurial activity and much, much more. >> there are no more southern democratic senators. why is that? >> that will change. >> why do you think they've been sort of run out, though? >> well, you'd have to ask southerners about that. i've spent a lot of time in the south. i know a lot of people in the south, and i mean not political people, just regular old folks who are i think also just like people everywhere else in the country, willing to respond to those who come to public life with conviction, and -- >> and who respond to their problems. >> sure, absolutely. >> because part of the, and who listens, right, part of which is part and parcel of the same thing, listen and deal with their problems. i think the question that is out there now as we've talked so much about how can republicans, you know, be a party if they don't connect with other voters
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with minorities and women. the question of the democratic party, do you think you can be successful if the democratic party cannot reach out to white males in particular and senior white voters including those blue collar particularly men with a non-college education, you have lost them completely. west virginia is pretty much republican now. >> you know what? i just don't buy that as a portrait of the future and i'll tell you why. >> but for now, you have and i'm wondering how you get them back. >> so i think in massachusetts, we're frequently described as a reliably blue state. in fact, we have more unenrolled independents than we do registered democrats and republicans combined. i this i that reflects what's happening in the rest of the country. most people aren't buying 100% of what either party is selling. >> so they sit at home. >> and that is right.
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and they that is a big part of it. that's a big, big part of it, by the way, and if we don't off people something to vote for rather than against then i think more people will continue to stay home. >> i need a yes or no. should elizabeth warren run for president this time around? >> you have to ask her that question. >> what do you think? >> i'm a great admirer of elizabeth warren and secretary clinton. and the others who are circling around -- >> you are a big help. that is why you are a politician. senator deval patrick, thank you for coming by. good luck for your stint in private life, but i suspect that we'll see you back. >> thank you. a senate report concludes the cia committed torture against terror suspects. what now? house intelligence committee member peter king is here next. and the 45 highway mpg tdi clean diesel. and last but not least, the high performance gti.
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critics of the senate intelligence committee's report on torture says its release hinders the ability of the cia to do its job and gives ammunition to enemies. joining me is congressman peter king. thank you for joining me. i want to try to move this conversation forward a little bit and ask you a couple of questions about the future. if, and we all fervently hope this won't happen, u.s. soldier is taken prisoner by a member of isis or a member of al qaeda, do you think the u.s. has lost the
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high ground in what is acceptable behavior for people who capture our folks? >> no, not at all. first of all, what isis does is behead people, they carry out the most brutal type of attacks, rapes, sex slaves, all of that, and for anyone to be comparing what the cia did to what isis does, what al qaeda does is just wrong. i think we caused tremendous damage to the u.s. reputation but this is a self-inflicted wound with a very partisan, selective report which i think does a terrible injustice to the men and women of the cia. >> and regardless of how one feels about the report, i think on both sides there is an agreement that this does harm to the cia, which is this, good heavens, they do entire tv series around the brave men and women of the cia, so where does the cia go to get its reputation back, whether you feel it's been unfairly taken away from them or not? how does it fix this?
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>> it would be very helpful if the people on the outside, you know the president and the state leaders of the house and the senate came forward and gave the cia credit for what they have done. it's difficult to overcome the damage by senator feinstein in her report. i think it's helpful to speak out and say the cia did an excellent job and the cia operated under the most extenuating circumstances that they're responsible for stopping attacks against the united states and we have to stop the self-loathing. this is to me the burden is on us, the burden is on people in positions of influence to stop hating ourselves and to stop hating those who we ask to do the job and so listen, i feel for the men and women out there in the cia who they're wondering if they're doing today what they're told to do five years from now what's going to happen. for instance president obama, i support his drone policy. suppose five or ten years from now a senate report comes out and says that he's guilty of human rights violations, guilty of war crimes because of the
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innocent people killed by drone attacks, what happens to us then? as americans we stood together during world war ii, many civilians were killed by american forces in dresden, tokyo and other places but as a country we didn't tear ourselves apart. we had the moral standing. >> what i was going to ask you, the truth is perception whether in washington or across the globe, sometimes can be more powerful certainly than the reality any of us see. so the report is out there, the feeling is that the cia crossed the line, did some pretty horrific things. going forward, i wonder if there is some way to right this ship. i want to read you an op-ed former senator bob kerry wrote on the intel committee, i'm sure you know him. >> right. >> he wrote "our intelligence personnel who are once again on the front lines fighting the islamic state need recommended guidance from their board of governors, the u.s. congress." how about that? >> yes, and they got the guidance back in 2002.
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they were told what to do by the u.s. congress back in 2002. they did it and now they're being attacked for it. i think senator kerry also said, i give him tremendous credit for this, senator kerry also thought this was a very partisan report basically written by a very partisan staff and i want to point that out. the congress did tell the cia what to do and the cia told the congress what they were doing and congress, the people in positions of power approved it and now they're turning on them. i find that totally hypocritical. >> congressman peter king, we thank you so much for joining us on a sunday morning. i appreciate it. >> thank you, candy and good luck to you. >> thank you so much. i appreciate that. i want to turn to colonel steven kleinman, a retired air force intelligence officer who has conducted and studied interrogations. so i think the question here is, just coming off the congressman just said, what about a clear set of rules that is out there in the public? >> there absolutely needs to be a clear set of rules. the nature of interrogation
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lends itself to this type of e depravity, and i use that term specifically. it is not a science-based approach. it is what we see outlined is not an evidence-based approach. this is really coming out of left field. it's a learned helplessness model that they came forth in the kubarek manual of the vietnam cia. this is not the first, this is the third time for the cia going down this path and the still lack of a scientific s support for that type of a model. >> colonel, i guess the problem that you're hearing from the congressman and from others is, wow, why can't we settle this, you know, behind closed doors? why can't we figure out who did what and why can't we give these specific rules without harming the reputation of the u.s.? do you think this sunlight is damaging? >> i think in the near term perhaps. in the long-term, just the opposite will occur. i think the strategic consequences of this openness is
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the first step towards what we call american exceptionalism. it's very difficult but i don't think it -- >> we need to be better than this. >> we need to be far better than this and we can be. >> what you alluded to earlier, you say it doesn't work. not only is it not you believe what the u.s. ought to be doing, whether it doesn't work. you're sort of for lack of a better word a kinder, gentler form of interrogation. tell me about interrogations that you have done, not the specifics but what is your best approach and what is the most what we would consider most aggressive sort of enhanced interrogation that you've ever done? >> well, first of all, interrogation is not for indications of warning. we keep going to the ticking time bomb scenario. that's a statistically improbable event. we need to look at interrogation as a science-based, strategic thought based even human rights compliant model because our respect for human rights will have long-term strategic
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consequences and the behavioral science says in interrogating al qaeda suspects, there's a study by lawrence ellison at the university of liverpool, 181 interrogations of al qaeda-related terrorists showed that empathy, respect, and an adaptive approach ended up systematically reducing counter interrogation strategies. so that's -- >> and that generally is when you did interrogations, oversaw interrogations, that was the approach you took. >> yes. >> it's sort of like a, for lack of a better word, friendly approach. because i can hear people's hair raising all over going wait a second. >> right. see, that is the misperception will interrogation. interrogation does not require force. interrogation is just a systematic question of someone you suspect holds information of intelligence value, and they hold it in their memory. my approach is respect the fragility of human memory.
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i use techniques like the cognitive interview, which will enhance some ability to recall, i use principal persuasion that drives the multibillion-dollar advertising industry to win cooperation. >> and what would you, in your experience, what is the most aggressive you have seen or practiced in terms of interrogation? >> well, what i've seen, when i was in iraq in 2003 i saw forced nudity, i saw slapping, prolonged standing, stress positions, things that i think are clearly violations of the law of armed conflict and at the same time why are we doing this, because there's absolutely again no evidence, no data to suggest this course of model ever reliably obtains useful information. >> did you feel free to voice your opinion at the times you saw these interrogations? >> yes, ma'am, i definitely did, yes. >> colonel, thank you so much for being with us and bringing your perspective. i know it's from one who has been there and seen that. >> it's an honor to be with you, thank you. >> appreciate that. when we return the rest of my conversation with george w. bush, the former president
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comcast business. built for business. as we noted last week in part one, george w. bush is the author of a new best selling book, it's called "41: a portrait of my father." i caught up with the son at a book signing at moody air force base in georgia. in part two, i asked him about the cia, although we spoke before the release of the senate intelligence committee's torture report. he offered up a strong defense of the agency. >> first of all, as i understand it, it will be critical but there's also going to be a report of a counter report coming out of the agency. here's what i'm going to say, that we're fortunate to have men and women who work hard at the cia serving on our behalf.
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these are patriots, and whatever the report says, if it diminishes their contributions to our country, it is way off base, and i knew the directors. i knew the deputy directors. i knew a lot of the operators. these are good people, really good people, and we're lucky as a nation to have them. >> former president also shared what his parents think of his new book, the challenges of his own post presidential hobby and how being a war veteran shaped his dad. one of the things you write about is your dad's war service. >> yes. >> you know, plane went down, you talk about the team that came in to sort of keep him from falling into the hands of the japanese. when you look at the makeup of the senate or the makeup of those making decisions now, very few folks with military
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experience, the good news is that's because we haven't had, you know, a service that required everyone to come in. >> right. >> do you think it makes a difference in decision-making, if someone has experience in the military? >> well, first of all, i think that when you make decisions about war and peace, you're listening to people who are in the military, and so when the questions for qualifications, for a good leader, somebody who can determine, you know, to take advice, and to figure out how that advice fits into an overall strategy, and so you have to be in the military to have done that? not necessarily. >> and you also wrote that your dad felt so deeply and continues to feel so deeply about the crewmen that he lost on that day. >> yes. >> do you feel similarly when you talk about iraq? did he feel similarly when he talked about those, that died in the invasion into kuwait? >> you know, my heart aches for people who lost a loved one,
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still does, and to that end, i try to help our wounded vets as much as i can at the bush library there at smu. his, of course, was even more personal, because delaney and white were not only his crewmates but friends. he lived. they didn't. so it's a much more in some ways much more emotional for him, and you're right, to this day, he still thinks about it, and when jen on his 90th birthday interviewed him, competition for you, by the way. >> before me. >> she asked is he still thinking about them? he said all the time. it's a very interesting answer. >> it is. what does your dad think of the book? >> i think he likes it. he doesn't comment on it. mother -- >> he hasn't told you what he thought of the book?
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>> said he liked it, but no, not really. mother has, of course. >> and she said? >> she said "change this part, will you?" and she saw the rough draft. no, she liked it a lot. i think she thinks it captured him which is what she's most interested in, does it really capture george bush the way she knows him. i think she thinks it did. anyway, she was an important test to pass. >> yes, probably the test to pass. >> yes. >> sounds like he's a little easier going on you in some ways. >> yes, it's hard for me to describe what he's like these days. you knew him as an energetic engaged person. >> how is he now? >> how is he? he's good. he's joyful. and he doesn't complain. on the other hand, he doesn't reflect a lot. he is, when the grandkids are around, he's playful and says he loves them, and you know, but he is just not that reflective.
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he may be reflective, just not talking about how reflective he is. >> right, which is in character with the man that you describe in the book. >> it is, in many ways, but you know, even less so today than in the past. >> in terms of what you wanted to accomplish with this book. >> yes. >> are you satisfied that he's gotten whatever message you intended for him to get? >> yes, i do. i do. i think a lot of his friends have read it and said george has written a wonderful, wonderful story about you, and it's true. yes, i think so. i think people are, you know, and more importantly what i was trying to get across was not only say i love you to him, but he knows that, was just to tell people around the country what a unique person he was, and how fortunate we were to have him as president. this guy is unbelievable, when you think about it. the fact that he and clinton are friends, for example, the fact that he never won his own home state and yet ends up, until he beat dukakis is in '88. the fact he lost a child early in the marriage and marriage is
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one of the unique great love stories in political history. >> how many years, 70? >> let's see, i'm 68. >> not quite. i think it's 70. >> i think it is, yes. >> you want to go over look at this one? >> yes. >> tell me what you get out of painting? >> the idea i'm driven to be as good as i can be, you know, and i'm, a task-oriented person, and every painting is a task in a sense. i get excitement out of painting because i'm beginning to learn -- when i first started painting i was like, you know, trying to be like a polaroid camera. >> right, get it exactly right. >> yes. >> instead of the feel. >> instead of the feel, and i'm learning, and how to work colors to get to a different feel and it's -- it -- you know, i don't
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know what i'd be doing. i don't drink anymore. i guess if i were a drinker i'd be you the there at night drinking away, but now i'm painting away. >> that's probably a better hobby. >> i would think so. more constructive. >> you painted your dad in this book? >> yes, i did. it's in the book. >> and? >> i think it's nice. mother kind of wasn't -- i know, but you know. >> can't please mom all the time. >> never paint your wife or your mother. >> have you painted your wife? >> yes. >> she didn't like it? >> she said -- no. and neither did my daughter, so i scrapped it. >> really? >> i kind of chunked it. >> what does that mean? >> i'm not going to be painting it -- i may have saved it although they probably think i destroyed it. >> that's between you and me? >> yes, don't tell anybody. anyway, so mother called and said i hear you're painting. she said paint my dogs. okay. so i painted her dogs and it was
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fun to paint something for somebody you care about, and so i painted the dogs for her and then i painted a garden scene for her and painted other things for her and she likes it and appreciates it. >> now this is your vintage, right, not quite your plane? >> dad. >> dad, i'm sorry. >> he flew, this is a fighter and his was more of a bomber, torpedo bomber. >> right, right. >> you know what's amazing about him? i've thought, i can think back when i was 19. i put in the book they grew up a lot faster than we did, that's for sure in my case but imagine being 19 floating off the coast of a japanese island. >> by yourself. >> yes, wondering whether you're going to live. >> it's an amazing story. >> but you know here's the thing about it, that's interesting, candy. it's not the only story of world war ii. there's thousands of stories that way, and not to be on a high horse here, i think the word hero is overused, and i think the world war ii generation guys have handled it
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well. we weren't heroes, we did what we were asked to do, and now everybody is a hero at some point in time and they're not. they're living life the way it's supposed to be lived is not heroic. >> it's what you're supposed to be doing which is how your looks at it. >> it wasn't just him, it's a lot of people his age. >> our thanks to the former president and to the folks at moody air force base. we really appreciate your hospitality. now despite partisan politics, 'tis the season on capitol hill. holiday memories from the hallowed halls, next. in this accident... because there was no accident. volvo's most advanced accident avoidance systems ever. the future of safety, from the company that has always brought you the future of safety. give the gift of volvo
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as we saw last night, lawmakers can be a grumpy bunch but the holiday spirit is alive and well in congress.
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♪ >> it was the night before christmas and my grandpa thought it would be great for me if he took a little elf and shone a light on it and i remember when he would use this little elf and ring a jingle bell, and i would scream bloody murder, because i thought that the little elf was coming to murder me in the night before christmas. he has passed since then but i remember him terrorizing me for that wonderful holiday. >> well, christmas eve more than christmas day, my mother and father's families used to have oyster stew. it was more like -- more like watery oyster soup with oysters in it. i never liked it and i still don't. just don't tell my mother.
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>> my daughter was about 4 years old. we went and got our tree and brought it back and somehow it just fell off the car and the car kept going and the tree was in the middle of the street. we went back and my daughter claims that my husband stuffed the entire tree in the trunk because he was so mad and somehow we got the tree which then was a little bent to our home and put it up and all was fine but that was the day the tree fell off the top of the car. >> you always have to make certain that there is -- that there are two trees, one has an angel on top and one has a santa on top. >> it pleases everybody? >> it makes everybody happy. >> this will be my first christmas without my mother. she passed away this year and so we're all going to miss that very much but we're going to keep the tradition alive if we can. coming from a large italian family, they bring a lot of italian food. >> for the last five or six years, i have been honored to light the most largest hanukkah, menorah on fifth avenue and we
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fareed zakaria gps starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- this is "gps: the global public square." welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. we'll start today with the revelations from the senate's torture report. did congress know all that the cia was doing? were the techniques outlined in the report justifiable and how badly will the report, did the report damage u.s. standing around the world, especially the arab world? then, moazzam begg wants an apology. he was held in u.s. prisons and says he was abused and witnessed torture.