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highest mountain possible. >> reporter: with most mesmerized by his rosy cheeks, who knew prince george's subjects would be falling at his feet? jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> well, whether you like his shoes or style or not, he is one precious little boy. thank you so much for watching and be sure to dvr outfront to watch us anytime. anderson starts now. good evening, thank you for joining us. in pakistan, the death toll is rising and the sense of shock and loss deepening and the world struggles to understand terror aimed at children. and a computer hack showing 9/11 style blood bath coming soon to a theater near you. the question now, who's behind it and is it, in fact, north korea and if so, what's next? plus, with the horse still fresh from sidney, australia, the heroes who came forward who tried their best to save the day. we begin with the terror attack in pakistan. an attack so heinous, it got
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attention of arch rival india. in the next few hours, india schools observe two minutes of silence. solidarity with pakistan after the assault that is now taken at least 140 lives, most young lives. school kids ages 12 and up. it happened in pa shower. the pakistani taliban was behind it and this is how the horror unfolded. >> reporter: first responders desperate to save young lives rushed children to the emergency room. the latest casualties in pakistan's war with the taliban. the siege on the army public school into greek college begins at 10:00 a.m., pakistan time. pakistan militants set off a car bomb near the school to distract security forces and scaled the walls. 1,000 students, many children of army personnel are now inside. >> translator: the men entered the room one by one and started indiscriminately fired at staff and students.
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within 15 minutes, pakistani security forces arrive on the scene, surround the school and take positions on rooftops. inside, a massacre is under way. a total of 7 militants execute students and staff while wearing suicide vests. according to pakistani military, they have enough ammunition. >> they entered the main auditorium where there was a huge gathering. i think the students were going to an exam and immediately started shooting indiscriminate. that's where maximum damage was caused. >> reporter: pakistani military move in but the task of securing the sprawling campus takes hours. by 4 p.m., six hours into the attack, the gunmen are confined to four buildings. word quickly spread of the crisis at the school as ambulance speed by, parents anxiously wait outside desperate for word on their children. by 7 p.m., nine hours into the
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siege, the pakistani military announced all seven militants are dead. nearby, many students and staff fight for their lives in a chaotic hospital emergency room. this man, who appears to be a father, lashes out against the pakistani government. this boy, one of the lucky ones who made it out alive, weeps as he's comforted by adults. by day's end, the death toll climbs above 140. most of them no older than 16. >> this is one of the worst attacks ever in the country that's seen far too many of them. pakistanis have suffered greatly from terrorism and from the taliban. that said, pakistani governments and the military this country helps pay for rarely confronted the problem consistently. there have been attacks launched on the taliban but also deals made with them over the years. some perspective on that and more from tim craig bureau chief from the washington post. talk about this group of taliban, the ttp.
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what do you know about them? >> well, they were formed in the aftermath of september 11th. it's confuse k, i think, for a lot of americans and westerners. you have the pakistani taliban. it was domestic militants that formed when the previous pakistan government began aligning with the u.s. to combat al qaeda and the afghan taliban after the september 11 terrorist attacks. it's a group of, you know, home grown islamic militants. they want to implement sharia law in pakistan. they don't have much support in country. they have sympathizers and they do have various supporters. but those pakistanis do not support them. they view them as sort of a fringe element that is sort of -- has no place in pakistan. they have been responsible for a decade of attacks against pakistan army installation and buildings. pakistan lost thousands of
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soldiers and civilians in these attacks but few know that none of the attacks have risen to the level of this deliberate targeting of children, many children of pakistan army officers and soldiers and what can only be described as a horrific massacre. >> that's why this school in particular was targeted because it's the kids of pakistani military officers. >> yeah, pakistan taliban issued a statement saying that they targeted the children of the people who they claim are responsible for killing them and ongoing military operations that have been taking place this year in northwestern pakistan. >> i mean, obviously, there has been a lot of violent attacks in pakistan over the years and in some ways, pakistanis have become used to some level of violence. this attack though, it seems different, yes? >> yes. i mean, i was out for a while today in the streets of islamabad and people were glued
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to television sets. it was the blank stare you remember from the u.s. on 9/11 when people sort of in disbelief. there had been attacks on some children in the past. malala, as you know, not shot far from this town three years ago but it was rare. you never heard of such deliberate targeting of teenagers. boys and girls. teachers. and what only can be described as a massacre. >> you describe this as sort of pakistan's 9/11. do you think the fact that they're targeting kids and that so many people in pakistan are shocked by it, this is a turning point in any way or will make a difference? does the military -- is there more they could be doing to try to eliminate the taliban? >> i think, clearly today, it's viewed as a turning point. but if you spend anytime in pakistan, you know that you never quite can be sure how long this stuff can be sustained. public opinion here sort of
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shifts. there's a dozen political parties all with different views on different things. and there have been pretty brutal attacks in the past. earlier this year, the airport was attacked that stunned everyone. how could this happen? there was a sort of resolve. and as the weeks go, people move on. i feel this is different and i do feel that, you know, you're going to have a pretty big spurt of unity heading to do something. the problem is, what can they do? this is not, you know, pakistan fighting a war against another country or fighting a war with india or another border. they're fighting a war in your own country. so the military is sort of confined in some ways about what they can do to eradicate this problem. i don't think anyone expects this battle to be over soon. >> tim craig, i appreciate you joining us from islamabad. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> i want to continue to focus on this attack. chief international christiane amanpour monitoring events from
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london. i know you spoke to pakistan's defense minister today. the government and armed forces are on the same page as far as terrorists are concerned. earlier this year, pakistan's prime minister tried to broker a peace deal with the taliban. are they on the same page? >> reporter: well, look. they are all speaking from the same page today after this horrendous attack. the defenseman said this attack wouldn't deter them and did say, look. yes, we wanted to have peace with them but they all broke down and they didn't pursue that with us. and we kind of expected, since our offensive in june, that there would be backlash from the taliban but he said, it is absolutely awful what happened at this school and that he called the security at that military-run school slack to say the least. >> you mentioned the offense of the pakistan's army launched against the taliban back in june and attacks in the country had actually declined since then.
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do you think this attack though spurs the pakistan to fight harder against the taliban? that's the criticism of the long time. they're so focused on india that they're not focusing as much on the taliban. >> reporter: you're actually right. i pressed the defense minister. who is your enemy, india or these extremists, these gee ha diss or taliban. while we have various countries, the biggest threat are these gee ha des, the taliban. people said if this kind of massive attack on the military's own children doesn't spur a full-scale forward march and change of tune, really, then practically nothing will, anderson. >> i mean, they have targeted children in the past. malala yousafzai, she obviously
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survived assassination in 2012. she came out condemning this attack today. it will be interesting to see if in pakistan, this isn't actually a turning point. >> reporter: that is going to be very interesting to watch because there has been a degree of brainwashing by the taliban. and yet, they don't yet actually have majority support. politically, it said the taliban are defeated. certainly in afghanistan and to an extent, in pakistan, but militarily, they remain a threat and they have increased their threat quotient in the last many months particularly as the u.s. starts to pull back. whether this has an effect on the hearts and minds in pakistan and concentrates the minds of people who might have thought that the taliban were, i don't know, standing up for pakistan. socking one to the united states if you like. whether people can get over that and really understand that they are an existential threat to pakistanis remains to be seen and such a heartbreaking comment
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from the defense minister. he said the smaller the coffin, the heavier it is to bear for us. and he really means that because this is an unprecedented attack. >> i mean, why target children? particularly if you're trying to change perception or win over followers in the country? i guess it's only because they're the children of military officers. >> reporter: well, this particular attack, the taliban spokespeople told cnn earlier in the siege earlier this morning our time that this was revenge for the pakistani government and military offensive placed since mid june. they said this is revenge for that. however, i think they probably have not reckoned with or don't care about the backlash and the sheer revulsion that it has caused but clearly they realize, clearly that this was no good in terms of winning hearts and
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minds. >> interesting. it's still shocking. christiane amanpour, thank you, christiane. more on the attack in sydney. set your dvrs. watch 360 whenever you like. more on the sydney drama. the police got the best possible picture of the situation and where police are trained for the standoffs like in sydney where the ammunition is live. ♪ just look at those two. happy. in love. and saving so much money on their car insurance by switching to geico...
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a sea of flowers, an ocean of tears. you're looking at the tribute outside of the lint cafe where gunman isis captive ts, two of the captives lost their lives. we learned one perhaps both died trying to save otherings. more on that now from our anna cork. >> reporter: desperate moments emerge, exact details about the final moments of the cdc are unknown. >> i feel like we've lost our innocence. >> reporter: citizens of sydney tend to replace the grim scenes with bright memorials to those whose last hours were so dark. >> wasted two very precious lives and one of them was my friend. >> reporter: the gunman who traumatized so many here, the lint chocolate cafe, died with two of his hostages. tori johnson, age 34, was a beloved manager at the chocolate cafe. >> he was a really sweet,
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loving, caring person. >> reporter: johnson's family relays a statement monday describing him as the most amazing life partner, son, and brother we could ever wish for. reports that johnson attempted to grab the gunman's weapon had not been confirmed but come as no surprise to his friends. >> if he was in there, he wasn't coming out until everyone else was. he just wasn't the kind of person to put his hands up and leave. >> these were decent, good people who were going about their ordinary lives. >> reporter: katrina dawson, a 38-year-old mother of three also perished here but was far from ordinary. the local bar association president described the accomplished legal mind as one of our best and brightest barristers who will be greatly missed by her colleagues and friends. according to local reports, dawson was killed trying to shield a pregnant friend from the gunman. the news unbearable to report for a local broadcaster who knew
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her family. >> a sister of one of channel 7's -- >> sandra dawson who i know and i have friends, a mother of three, john. >> reporter: as flowers replaced on one of the thoroughfares, the process of healing begins, one embrace at a time. anna karin, cnn, sydney. >> in the meantime, more come to light. greg park gave a view of the cafe that made their life-saving job that much easier. he's a camera man for 7 news in aus tail ya that looks out on to the lintd cafe. he monitored with a sniper in position in the office ready to fire. greg parker takes it from there. >> the way the patience showed, a tried and proven methods of how to get the best possible result and that was constantly being relayed to us.
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>> reporter: but patience ran out with the echo of a single gunshot. >> we heard a shot, he confirmed hostage down, window two. six seconds later, we saw the special forces guards breach. it was pretty loud, pretty frightening. nothing i've ever seen before ever. the moment he crossed the line of taking down a hostage, it was a forced action from police. in my mind and probably anyone else's seeing it. not going to sit around and wait for another hostage to have the same fight. >> just an incredible event. that decision and training going
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into making sure it's the right decision. martin savidge found out at a private security firm in north carolina. take a look. >> reporter: it's the moment of truth. a s.w.a.t. unit makes entry and thanks to our cameras, you are part of the team. it's over in seconds. and if it's done right, the bad guys are down and the hostages safe. it may look easy. it's anything but. as i find out by putting on body armor and eye protection because this is live ammunition. following the team on a special training range. >> so i'm just looking for any threat that might appear? >> reporter: the man pause at an entrance. one arm placed on the person in front and they're all within physical contact because this is how you're going to communicate. >> yep. >> reporter: they have radios, but critical movement commands are communicated by a squeeze.
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antec saneki first in and likely the first target. >> you know that going in. you brace, you prepare, menially think about it or shut it out? >> you just do what you're trained to do. >> reporter: depending on the situation, the go command may come from a police chief, a governor, a general, or even the president. each team member has a specific area of each room to focus upon. who decides who shoots? you've got four of you. >> yep, again, it's broken down to areas of responsibility. so typically, we go, you know, right, left, right, left. >> reporter: once through the door, the last team member acts as a guard and then roles switch. last in becomes first out. in realtime, happens faster than i can describe and repeated until all rooms are clear. once you've reached the last room, what happens then?
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>> clear. >> reporter: in other words, do it again. just to be sure. the training has to be real as possible which is why this woman does what we might consider crazy. volunteering to be a hostage, crouching in a room where the team will enter firing real ammunition at targets. this is the view if the hostage was you. the aim has to be perfect and it is. i think you can see the accuracy. and how does the team feel about snipers? if a sniper has a shot, is that the preferred med? >> absolutely. >> reporter: why? >> to eliminate a threat before we go in there, that's better. >> reporter: at the end of yet another run through, i ask, what is the biggest fear then? >> getting to that hostage quickly and the biggest fear is that you don't get there in time. >> reporter: so the team will spend hours practicing just to shave off a few seconds because
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in their line of work, time isn't money. it's quite possibly the difference between life and death. >> martin savidge joins us now from north carolina. it's incredible when you think about the response by law enforcement in sydney, australia. they had six seconds. they basically went in six seconds after the shot was heard, and that was after, you know, more than 12 hours, 14 hours. they were standing around, basically, on a hair and trigger ready to go in on a matter of seconds. the guys are using live ammunition in training. why is that so important? >> reporter: they may have hours or days to prepare or maybe only have minutes. the reality is, anderson, they're not shooting for the movies. they're shooting for keeps. so reality dictates. they've got to use real ammunition. they've got to shoot on targets. they have to know everything as best they can as to what it will be like when everything is on
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the line. >> you're in the facility they use. obviously, when they go into a facility like that, they have no idea, maybe how many potential targets there are. >> reporter: right. i mean, a lot of what you don't see is prior to that is gathering intel. they can understand how many hostages or how many gun men are there and where located and where are good guys and bad guys? that's all important to know. this particular facility on a thousand acres of land called the range complex in north carolina. two shoot houses, a thousand feet. they're set up like a house or office or building. they have observation posts for training purposes. even the walls specially designed are concrete but shock absorbing concrete. eaten by the cement which is good. they can use the rooms over and over again. the more they practice, the better they'll be, god fosht, if
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they have to be used. >> remarkable skill and bravery. martin savidge thank you very much. a new group behind the sony hacking now targeting people, they say, to go see a movie set to open on christmas. sheila! you see this ball control?
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there are new developments tonight in the sony hacking stories. you know the hackers threatened in a 9/11 style attack on theaters if the studio releases the upcoming movie the interview
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about killing kim jong-un. sony executives are in the words of the times and in their reporting, all but inviting theaters not to run the movie if they don't want to. cnn justice correspondent pamela brown joins me with the latest. what's with the threat, how authentic do law enforcement believe it is? >> reporter: this threat is reportedly coming from the sony hackers who call themselves guardians of peace and it's an attempt of ratcheting up fear to the controversial comedy about north korean leader kim jong-un, releasing next week on christmas. they're investigating similar to a bomb threat but seeing if this threat is actually coming from the original sony hackers. we're told at this point there's no credible intelligence to indicate an ak ty plot against movie theaters in the u.s., but quite a reaction from this. we know that the stars of the film, seth rogan, james franco,
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cancelled all their press a appearances for today and tomorrow after this release. >> do you know who's behind the act? >> reporter: u.s. authorities have a strong suspicion but not enough evidence at this point in the investigation to actually point a finger at the culprit. for right now, sources say though that all clues are pointing to north korea. investigators are looking into the possibility as well that the reclusive country outsourced the job to hackers in a different country in retaliation for that movie, but remember, side room investigations are nuanced, complex. these hackers are sophisticated and had access to sony's computer systems months before the fbi called in. that's a lot of time to do damage and cover their tracks. >> it's amazing they had access for months and nobody was able to pick ut on it for all that time. >> reporter: right. that's really the hard part about these cyber investigations. afl time, it comes down to detection for the company to catch on quickly to the hacker
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and in this case, we learned that the hackers penetrated the system as early as the summer, anderson, and then the fbi was called in in november. it's unclear when the company actually caught wind the system was hacked into. >> pamela brown, thank you. susan hendricks. >> reporter: jeb bush announced facebook and twitter he will actively explore the possibility of running for president in 2016 and setting up political action committee as well. this is the first official sign the former republican governor of florida could try to follow governor and brother for white house. los angeles prosecutors say bill cosby will not be charged with a crime after a woman claimed he molested her at the playboy mansion in 1974. this statute of limitations has expired. the aelged victim was 15 years old at the time. you may have noticed if filling up gasoline prices found
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for less than $2 a gallon in some places as oil prices plunge below $55 a barrel, the cheapest in five years. nchts a massachusetts doctor cured of ebola in the u.s. is going back to liberia next month. dr. richard saiker plans to work back at the clinic where he contracted the virus. he tells us he feels he's been called to do the work and give fellow doctors a bit of a break by helping out, anderson. he's going back and the plan is in january for 3.5 weeks to help more. >> it's incredible dedication. susan, thank you very much. a newly released video showing police interrogating the girlfriend of a man shot at walmart. the lawyer said the way the police grilled the girlfriend is evidence they knew they messed up. details on that ahead.
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filed a federal lawsuit against the police and the store. 22-year-old john crawford iii killed in august while talking on his phone and carrying a pellet rifle he picked up from a shelf. this was four days before michael brown was shot. in this case, the grand jury cleared the police officer of any wrongdoing but police investigating mr. crawford's girlfriend after the shooting is raising more questions and controversies. here's ana cabrera. >> sir, i don't know. i swear to god.
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i don't know. on everything i love, you can give me a lie detector test and everything. >> reporter: just newly released video from the interrogation room. rodney kurt grills tasha thomas, the girlfriend of john crawford iii. it's just minutes after police opened fire killing crawford inside an ohio walmart. >> why would he have a gun in the walmart? >> i don't know. >> reporter: this is the incident all caught on camera, surveillance video on august 5th shows crawford wandering the aisles, talking on the phone and carrying what looks like a rifle. a concerned customer called 9-1-1 and police responded. >> holding a gun. pointing it. >> i'm in the walmart. did you say he's pointing it at people? >> affirmative, no. >> reporter: crawford's family argues crawford never had a chance. the video shows he had back to police and was on the phone when they approached and the officers opened fire just one second
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after they confronted crawford. >> one of these is a real gun and one was the gun crawford was carrying that day. as you can see, it's very hard to tell the difference. >> reporter: crawford was holding a pellet gun he picked up from a store shelf, not a rifle. in september, a grand jury chose not to indict the officers on any charges. the family is now filing a federal lawsuit against police and walmart. saying the pellet gun should have been locked up and police should have done due diligence before opening fire. the city responded with this statement. "we believe the efrd will prove that the officer's actions were legally justified." walmart expressed condolences and said, quote, our associates acted properly. >> i'm still pursuing justice because that, to me, is justice. you have to be held accountable. you don't get a pass because you have a side arm and a shield. >> reporter: crawford's family said he wasn't a criminal, he
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was a customer and now an innocent victim. they believe police tried to cover up their mistake afterwards by trying to coerce tasha thomas into saying something that might justify the shooting. >> we're investigating a serious incident. you lie to me and you might be on your way to jail. so i want to be very clear. >> i swear to god. >> just moments before this happened. you need to tell the truth. >> i am. i swear to god. i swear to god i am. i swear to god. >> you been drinking? drugs? >> no, no. >> your eyes are kind of messed up looking and eyes are letharg lethargic. i don't know if you're upset or not. >> 90 minutes this goes before thomas learns her boyfriend is dead. >> well, to let you know, unfortunately, john has passed away as a result of this.
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i don't know any other way to tell you. what happened there wasn't a good thing and as a result of his actions, he is gone. >> ana cabrera joining us now. lawyer saying the interrogation was inappropriate. did the detective have an explanation for how he went on the interrogation? >> reporter: first of all, police say there was no koergs. the detective said he was questioning thomas based on the information he was given from police on the scene of the shooting and he said they initially did think that crawford was carrying a real rifle and that he had brought it into the store, and so he says in his questioning of thomas, he really was just searching for answers, anderson. >> all right, ana cabrera. cnn legal analyst and former cnn, sunny hostin. police allowed to interrogate somebody as long as they've read miranda rights and informed what's going on, they're allowed to lie or do anything in an
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interrogation. do you see anything inappropriate? maybe it was tough. >> it certainly wasn't sensitive but i don't see anything per se inappropriate. you can lie and they're never pretty. >> you can do whatever. >> you're not supposed to push people but you can be hostile. you can be duplicitous or lie. i'm not troubled by the interrogation. what i am troubled by is the actual shooting and i'm troubled by the shooting because ohio is an open carry law. so to walk around a walmart with a real gun, with a real rifle, is not against the law. so i'm surprised that the officers would run in and under one second, assess that threat, find him to be threatening and shoot to kill. that is what's troubling to me. >> harry, what about that? do you think, what are your thoughts? >> the video itself, officers approach. he dropped the gun. the police officer comes into
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the video. you can see him now. and the gentleman comes back towards the weapon and that's when the officer shoots him. now, the officer is now perceiving a threat. i mean, we can't hear any audio. we don't know if the officer is yelling and screaming but the weapon is down, the officer comes to the scene and he comes back, now the officer said this guy is going for the gun. i've got to get the first shot off. that's what happens. >> sunny, when you look at the two, one, the rifle from the store and one is the actual rifle. when you look, it is hard to tell the difference. >> it is hard to distinguish it, no question about it. but the bottom line is it wasn't against the law in ohio and in particular, in walmart which has a policy of allowing people to open carry within their stores to carry a real gun. so it's a sort of distinction. doesn't matter if it's real or not. >> is the store liable because it wasn't in a package? it was on a shelf, he was able to pick it up?
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>> certainly it's against to be sitting around. it was supposed to be, my understanding, it was supposed to be kept away, locked away. when you purchase it, you're supposed to be escorted out of the store with it or at least to the gun. so yes, walmart has a place in this. but i think we need to really look at the officer's actions. i think we need to look at the officer's training. i do not understand how, based on a 9-1-1 call on a dispatch, that you discharge your weapon and shoot to kill in an open carry state in under one second. to me, it is a clear, clear violation of policy. >> harry, the open carry policy in the state, should that make a difference? >> yes but they got a call. listen to the 9/11 tapes here and the information given to the officer at the time. they went thinking somebody was pointing a weapon at somebody based on the one call we're hearing about and took a look at that and why did that man come
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back towards the weapon? i'm sure the police officer was yelling. i would have shot him exactly the same. i would have shot him because if i didn't and he was going towards the weapon, the first shot gets off and he gets me. >> sunny, the fact he seemed to be going back for the weapon, does that influence you? >> it does not especially because of the time frame. >> because you're not witnessing the threat. >> one second. i don't think you can determine it's a threat. >> when you're not facing the threat itself. when you're facing that threat, a millisecond, you might be dead or you're alive. and that's the kind of decision police officers have to make on the street or they don't go home at night. >> we'll see what happens. obviously, this lawsuit is going on. sunny hostin, thank you very much. harry as well. the marine up next. because there was no accident.
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the search for suspected killer was found in a wooded area died of self-inflicted the wound. the former marine wanted in the shootings of ex-wife and five relatives yesterday morning. the murders have shaken small communities northwest of philadelphia. our jason carroll tonight has the latest.
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>> reporter: the end of a manhunt for an alleged mass murder came early tuesday afternoon in a wooded area in eastern pennsylvania. this after bradley stone apparently took his own life. >> we have not received official confirmation from the coroner as to the cause and manner of the death but at the scene believed he died of self-inflicted cutting wounds. >> reporter: stone shot and killed his ex-wife nicole hill and five former inlaws as well as wounding another former in-law. stone did not hurt his two daughters who were living with hill. >> all of the sudden, i heard pop and i knew, i was pretty sure that was a gunshot. >> reporter: one of hill's neighborhoods who did not want us to show her face say she heard and knew instantly hill was in trouble.
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investigators now developing a profile of stone one which could help uncover a motive for the horrific crime. he's a former marine reservist who spent three months in iraq. he was awarded several medals including the iraq campaign service medal. stone's friend says he had a love of country and cannot understand how he would be capable of murder. >> the guy was just outgoing. he was just full of joy. i don't understand why he would do something like this, let alone how many lives have been taken. >> reporter: aside from traffic violations stone's criminal was clean. he filed a motion seeking custody of two daughters. after the divorce, the couple fought frequently. >> my personal opinion, wasn't so much about his children as loss of control with nicole. >> reporter: his facebook page, the marines, national center for ptsd and ptsd self-help links
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and this quote, i come in peace. i didn't bring artillery but i am pleading with you with tears in my eyes. if you [ bleep ] with me, i'll kill you all. believe the manhunt is finally over. only wishes someone had heeded hill's warnings. >> she actually said he's going to put a bullet in my head and nobody believes me and when it happens, everybody's going to be like, what happened? oh my gosh. shocked and she says, nobody listens to me. >> jason carroll joins me now. any word on how his daughters are doing? >> reporter: well, anderson, i guess that's one of the real tragic parts of this story. two children, young girls 5 and 8 years old, no immediate family, no extended family to speak of because of what happened here. that was raised here earlier in a press conference. what is going to happen to these two little girls? right now, they're in protective custody and ultimately, anderson, it will probably be the courts that end up deciding
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what happens to them. >> given the stuff he was interested in on facebook, is there any indication, i mean, did he have ptsd? >> reporter: it's debatable. and the reason why i say that is because, you know, it was clear that he was being treated for some sort of stress disorder. that is clear. but when you speak to those who knew him like this one woman we spoke to, the neighbor who was friends with nicole, she did not believe that was the case. she said, according to her, never saw active duty when he was overseas up to some 4 months, i believe, when serving over in iraq and that's first. second, it is her belief that what happened has more to do with control. control over nicole, control over the two little girls. >> it's horrific for them and all the families involved. jason carroll, appreciate that. we have a lot more ahead. the ridiculist is coming up. make you smile on the end of a very difficult day. we'll be right back.
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time now for the ridiculist. two, one republican and one democrat. dallas woodhouse on cspan and at least the beginning jocular. >> i had no idea he would be a
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right wing republican nut. >> i think my brother grew up left and comes here, once you come up to washington, your brain gets poisoned by people who come here. >> so the brothers are promoting a documentary, looking at both poignant and political dynamics. the c-span appearance evolved into this. >> the republicans ran on nothing. ran just on antiobama. >> what did your candidates run on? >> the tea party was a creation of the insurance companies. it was funded by the -- >> oh my god. >> all right, and then as often is the case on c-span, they took calls live on the care. >> now in raleigh, north carolina. >> somebody from down south. >> you're right, i'm from down south. >> oh, god, it's mom. >> and i'm your mother.
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and i disagree that all families are like ours. i don't know many families that are fighting at thanksgiving. >> is this really your mother? >> i was very glad that this thanksgiving was a year that you two were supposed to go to your in-laws and i'm hoping you'll have some of this out of your system when you come here for christmas. >> yeah, we were not together this thanksgiving. we are most years. >> i really like a peaceful christmas and i love you both. >> no question who won that debate. one, miss joy woodhouse. whenever pundits argue on television, i want moms to call in and tell them to get it out of their systems to have a peaceful christmas. it had to be disarming. you're on television and then your mom calls. got to come back when there's something like that. oh, really? someone's on the phone. hello? i know as well as anyone.
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>> hello? >> mom. >> hello, anderson, darling. it's your mother. listen, i was watching your show and i just had to call in and say how proud i am of you. you know, i'd never embarrass you on the air but i just wanted to let you know how much i'm enjoying this segment. i hope i'm not getting you at a bad time. >> no. >> this is a great time mom. perfect time to call. what are you doing? >> what, sweetheart? >> what are you doing? >> well, i'm watching you. i'm watching you on the air as i do every night. i'm glued. >> you're glued. >> i'm glued from 8:00 to 9:00. >> all right, mom. well, thank you very much for calling in. i appreciate it. >> all right, appreciate. love you. >> love you too. bye. ah. now i know as well as anyone you should listen to your mother in life and on the ridiculist. a reminder to vote your favorite
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ridiculist and countdown your top five at the end of the years. that does it for us. for another edition of 360. another episode of extraordinary people starting now. >> i'm anderson cooper. welcome to extraordinary people. >> i'm robin immediamead. if you look back and weren't sure if you had that in you. we look at that aspect in extraordinary people. >> people who rise to occasions and in some cases didn't know they had it in them. in the next hour, you meet people like gary donilon. who plunged his helicopter into thick smoke to lead away from certain death. and ron johnson, the state highway patrol captain. everybody remembers him. ani

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