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>> new gdp numbers. >> it shows the strongest economic growth in the third quarter in more than five years, 5% is the number. the strongest economic growth in 11 years. so those are really showing us that the economy has been robust. second quarter a, a strong performance. >> and we also have brand new polls just out at this moment. >> and they show us that americans are feeling this. they're feeling an economic -- look at this. economic conditions are good. this shows you by income level. among all demographics, income, race, sex, gender -- gender is the same thing. but people feel better about the economy. now look at the overall numbers. 51% of americans polled today say the economy is good. this is on a different screen. 51% say the economy is good compared with 38% in october. that's the first time in seven years a majority of americans say the economy is good. i think -- >> that's nice to see. >> and when you look at this number and the income breakdown
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we just showed you, gas prices are low so everybody's feeling that no matter how much money you make, you're feeling the low gas prices. job market is coming back. higher income -- mostly higher income earners, they're really feeling the stock market returns. they're more likely to be in the stock market. great return to the stock market this year so for the first time in seven years, a majority of americans are feeling good, say the economy is doing well. so that gdp number, low gas prices, the stock market put it all together, they're calling it the christmas rally. >> even minimum wage we're expecting to go up. >> there will be 20 states where minimum wage rises come january 1. so even though there's been consternation about how wages in general are not rising, wages are the part of this economic recovery that have the v not been there, the states are raising minimum wages in 20 states so people will have more money in their pockets. >> christine, thank you for the good news, a christmas gift there. police departments across the nation are warning their officers to take extra precautions and some are making changes after saturday's
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massacre of two new york city police officers. in massachusetts, the "boston herald" reports state troopers are being urged to do the following, asked to wear body armor, not let anyone approach their cruiser from the outside while they are seated inside and watch for suspects who appear to be conducting surveillance of officers. in other cities like dallas, the focus is on having officers ride in pairs. wfaa is reporting dallas officers are also being advised not to place themselves in situations where they would be outnumbered. and in new york, officers are also being directed to work in pairs. union leaders say it's important to put their own safety first and to respond to every call with two cars and not to make arrests unless it's absolutely necessary. cnn's brian todd is live in washington this morning and, brian, there's now concern from what we understand that the fallout over these murders of these two nypd officers could lead to a spike in crime. >> that's right, randi. a former police commissioner in new york has given an ominous
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warning about that. he's concerned about the changes in police behavior stemming from this sequence of events. also this morning, top police union leaders are telling us they're making a direct link between the recent protests and the murder of those two officers. two fallen officers, a city convulsing with tension and a sense that the strain between police across the country and the public they protect is growing. police are angry that recent demonstrations turned into personal attacks against them. >> we can certainly blame them and i think that to the extent that this deranged individual acted on saturday, there's little doubt that he thought that there would be a wave of sympathy from within the community based on what he's been hearing from the agitators. >> reporter: in the days before the police officer's murders, police in new york had been assaulted during protests, on the brooklyn bridge. and at the staten island ferry. as the tensions escalated, police increasingly pointed
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blame at new york mayor bill de blasio, accusing him of being less than supportive and giving protesters too much leeway. the police union in new york circulated a form let cher officers could sign saying they didn't want de blasio coming to their funerals if they died in the line of duty. police turned their backs on the mayor on saturday when he appeared at the hospital after the officers' deaths and there was this angry outburst from the police union chief. >> that blood on their hands starts on the steps of city hall in the office of the mayor. >> reporter: de blasio's office calls that overheated and irresponsible, an ominous concern from former new york police commissioner howard safir that police across the country won't take the extra steps they usually take to protect the public. >> somebody gets a call that there's a domestic dispute in an apartment. they pull up the the apartment building, they don't see anything, they report it as
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uns unsubstantiat unsubstantiated. >> without even going in? >> i'm suggesting it's possible. >> reporter: howard safir says he remembers back in the 1970s and '80s in new york when during a time of more violence toward the police, the police were called blue flower pots because they sat in their cars not doing much. now, neither safir nor jim pasko of the fraternal order of police believe we're headed back to a period like that but safir worries about how police will behave if they continue to feel unappreciated. randi? >> brian todd in washington, thank you very much. let's talk more about the tension between the public and police. joining me now 1 reverend marcos miranda and vince ward from the center from constitutional rights. nice to see you both, thank you for coming back. you heard brian todd's reporting there, reverend. do you think this tension between the nypd now and city hall could actually lead to a spike in crime?
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>> i believe that the answer always is in peace and in love. and i still believe that we have the greatest police force in the world as well as policing the greatest city in the world. and we know from 9/11 that we can come together as a people, that we can flush risch, we did it turn the crown heights riots as well and i believe we can do it again. >> critics have been coming forward saying these nationwide protests against police brutality have created this anti-police environment. your organization from what i understand recruited more than 300 volunteer lawyers to represent protesters in ferguson. what would you say to those who feel this way now? >> yeah, the protests against bad police policies are completely separate from this terrible act of a lone person killing police officers just because they're police officers. they wear to very different
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things. it's possible in our society to both condemn wanton killings by police officers of unarmed african-american men and to protest and to stand against the killings of police officers. they're not incompatible. and i think the problem that we're seeing here is that there's a blame game happening. the police unions and everybody else are trying to blame everybody else for what is essentially a bad police policy. and the nation as a whole needs to come together and mourn the deaths of both the police officers that are killed in the line of duty and the civilians that are killed for no reason at all. >> we hear a lot that they need to come together but what should be said in what should the mayor say? what should the police say? >> i think the mayor's initial response was the right one, which is that people are angry because of what's been happening in ferguson and staten island and they should be angry and the police officers are angry because of what's happened to these officers, which is terrible, and they should. but the mayor needs to bring everybody together and the answer is not to decide to shut off the first amendment for one group of people in order to
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service another. it's possible to want to change police practices without being anti-police and that's what this movement is about, regardless of what rudy giuliani and pat lynch say. >> let me ask you about officer rafael ramos, reverend. i understand he was training to become a lay chaplain and he was supposed to graduate, if you would, just hours after he was shot and killed that saturday over the weekend. what was he like? you lad a chance to get to know to him. >> amazing man. when you looked into his eyes all you saw was kindness. he completed our ten week intensive training, he excelled and he was due to graduate on the afternoon of december 20. >> why was it, do you know, that it was so important to him to work to become a chaplain? >> in my conversations with officer ramos, he even believed being a member of the nypd was a sort of ministry. that he was serving his community and protecting his community. and so he was so excited because he actually thought that he
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couldn't be a chaplain, he thought only clergy members could be chaplains. however we allow lay leaders to be chaplains so he was excited that he could continue to help his community and he saw himself as doing this sort of chaplaincy ministry in the future after he retired from the nypd to continue to serve his community. >> sounds like a very special man. reverend miranda, vince war venn, thank you both. appreciate your time. remember when president obama promised to respond to north korea's hack on sony pictures? well, beginning yesterday someone or something has been repeatedly wiping north korea off the internet. experts say all signs point to an ongoing hack. check out this graphic here from din research. those white gaps show when north korea is blacked out from the web. intermittent outages, of course, are expected but this is really out of the ordinary. at its peak, north korea was off line for more than nine hours on monday. cnn's kyung lah has all the details. >> reporter: north korean television broadcast without a hitch, leading the news, kim
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jong-un visiting a fish farm. but in cyberspace, the country went dark. state-run web site kcna blank, or blooming with flowers. web security expert matthew prince was watching what he calls the map of the internet. >> the north korean internet had effectively been erased from that map. >> reporter: when you say "erased," what do you mean by erased? >> the tube that connects them with the rest of the world has been cut. >> reporter: cut by a hacker? by america? president obama promised the u.s. would respond to the sony hack. >> we will respond proportionately and we'll respond in a place and time and manner that we choose. >> reporter: given the rising tensions between the u.s. and north korea, dprk watchers doubt the u.s. would bother or be so transparent. could north korea have cut the cord? >> you want us to kill the leader of north korea? >> yes. >> what? >> during the movie, the interview would manage to speak in or a preemptive move on a
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future cyber attack. regimes like egypt and syria have switched off the internet before. or could it simply be coincidence? system failure at a time when the world watches? cyber experts say that's unlikely. an outage of hours upon hours, even for north korea, a country known for not having electricity or food for its people, is unusual. as matthew prince and i weighed the possible culprits, a surprise on state-run web site kcna. oh, wait, i'm hearing that kcna appears to be back up. that, says the editor of a hacker magazine, points to most likely culprit, the rogue hacker, the on and off of north korea's web the hallmarks of a denial of service attack. >> i'd say any 14-year-old kid in this country could probably pull it off and any toddler in germany. it's not hard. >> reporter: some hackers online
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have said they're response but the hacking and security community are suspicious of anyone claiming credit. we'll likely never know who did this. adding to the long list of things we already don't know about north korea. kyung lah, cnn, seoul. cnn's barbara starr joining me now for more on how the u.s. might fight cyber terrorists. barbara, what are you learning? >> good morning to you, randi. for the u.s. military this is not a new issue. i'd say over the last decade plus the military's really been focusing on the cyber world and this whole notion of cyber warfare. in fact, they have now an organization in the military called the u.s. cyber command just like central command, european command, pacific command. this is the cyber command that is e quint to fight a cyber war in cyberspace. not on any one piece of ground around the globe. the cyber command is really an interesting organization.
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let's look at some of the things they do first. they are first and foremost prepared to provide cyber support to those combatant commanders on the front line. if the commanders in the middle east, in the pacific are getting hacked, the cyber command will help them deal with that. it will help them form plans to even conduct attacks in cyberspace. so they also defend the military networks against attackers. if north korea was to attempt to come against u.s. military computers systems, it would be cyber command that has the systems in place to defend against that. and in recent years, they've also reached out to defense contractors, to the sort of environment in which they operate because so much of the classified work actually isn't even done in the military, it's done with a major contractor out there. so they, too, have to be protected. and we're talking big money here. the budget for the cyber command
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has grown in recent years, just in the last three years alone in 2012 it was $118 million and now it has skyrocketing to over $400 million a year in their budget to help do all of this. war in the cyber world is becoming a very serious issue. how to defend against an attack and, if you want to, how to launch an attack. randi? >> it sounds like the u.s. is ready. barbara starr, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> sure. we're back after a quick break. i've smoked a lot and quit a lot, but ended up nowhere. now...i use this. the nicoderm cq patch with unique extended release technology helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. i want this time to be my last time. that's why i choose nicoderm cq. which means it's timeson for the volkswagen sign-then-drive event. for practically just your signature, you could drive home for the holidays in a german-engineered volkswagen.
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1 minutes past the hour. we want to show you new video right now. that's new york mayor bill de blasio in brooklyn. he is visiting the street corner and the memorial where these two nypd officers were ambushed over the weekend on saturday afternoon. he has met with the families and this is his first time visiting the memorial there. meanwhile, now to milwaukee where protests against a police-involved shooting are taking place after the district attorney there decides not to charge a white officer in the
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death of a mentally ill black man. the federal government is now looking into the case. cnn's george howell spoke exclusively with the victim's mother and joins me from milwaukee. george? >> randi, good morning. before the death of michael brown in ferguson, before the death of eric garner in staten island, people here in milwaukee have been protesting, they have been waiting for a decision in this case. the decision came yesterday and the victim's mother tells me she is frustrated. >> dante was my youngest son. he should have been burying me. >> reporter: surrounded by friends and family, maria hamilton is speaking out for the first time since learning the former police officer who shot and killed her son will not face criminal charges. for this mother, when you heard the decision of this prosecutor, what did you think? >> i wasn't surprised. we're prepared for the work.
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>> any time i have to tell a family that i can't bring justice to them when one of their loved ones has died is always tragic. >> district attorney john chisholm says officer christopher manning acting in self-defense in the confrontation with don tray hamilton even though he didn't realize two officers responded before he did to the report of a man sleeping in the park and they concluded hamilton was not a threat. >> shots fired, shots fired, officer involved. >> this is the call milwaukee police officers heard over their radios april 30 when he called for backup. he claimed hamilton resisted when he tried to frisk him then he says they both exchanged punches before hamilton grabbed hold of his baton, hitting him. >> he started beating me, he was hitting me in the head with my own bat, shots fired. >> reporter: he fired his weapon 14 times before help arrived. you see him here after it
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happened. >> i may have been hit but i'm okay, i'm off the air now. >> reporter: the police chief fired him for his actions that day saying he allegedly instigated the confrontation and though he correctly identified hamilton as mentally ill he did not follow proper training. people have been protesting what happened here months before michael brown's death in ferguson and eric garner's death in new york. >> it's not just about dontre in milwaukee. it's about all the lives that have been taken. >> reporter: maria hamilton believes her son died at the hands of an overzealous cop. in fact, she points to a bizarre incident caught on tape back in 2012. the same officer seen here scuffling with a clown on the streets. police say the clown was darting in and out of traffic, spraying cars with a squirt gun and that he resisted arrest. hamilton says it's another
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example of manning taking it too far. >> we actually pay their salaries to protect us, the serve us, to make us feel safe. it's a slap in the face to our communi community. >> it is important to point out that clown in the video was a known activist in milwaukee. though certainly a bizarre incident many people are pointing to to question, the judgment of this officer when dealing with suspects, the mother of the victim questioning whether he had good judgment as well. we did see a round of protests here in milwaukee overnight. the protests were peaceful, many people are looking to see the department of justice now stepping in, randi, to also review this case. >> certainly an interesting case. george howell, thank you very much for bringing that to us. still to come, it's being called one of the biggest
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security breaches in recent years. more than 131 guns and wednesday, including ak-47s and ar-15s allegedly smuggled on flights between two of the country's busiest airports. we'll have the details for you next.
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authorities have broken up an alleged gun and smuggling ring between two of the world's busiest airports. two men, including a baggage handler for delta airlines, have been charged with sneaking 131 weapons in carry-on bags on flights from hartsfield-jackson in airport to jfk in new york. weapons included -- get this -- ak-47s and ar-15s. what's more, some of them were loaded. the arrest warrant calls the operation "one of the biggest security breaches in recent years." cnn aviation correspondent rene marsh joining me live with the latest on this. rene, a lot of people shaking their heads on this one. how could a guy get guns on flights in a carry-on back pac in this day and age? >> that's the question. what's so alarming is this is an inside situation, these are people who work within the airport and have access to those secure areas. here's how investigators say it
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all went down, randi. they say that the gun supplier was an atlanta-based delta airlines baggage handler named withdrew gene harvey. he used his airport security clearance to essentially bypass security checkpoints and get the guns into the secure area. once his accomplice, who was a former delta employee, mark henry, cleared tsa, the two men would communicate via text message, meet up in an airport bathroom and that's where the transfer would happen. and that's how more than 100 guns were smuggled on to passenger planes during a seven-month period. investigators eventually closed in on this earlier this month. they arrested henry once he landed at jfk and i want to show you just a breakout of what they stumbled upon, essentially. heguns in his bag, seven were loaded. at the end of this all, there were a total of 129 handguns and
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two assault rifles smuggled on to these commercial planes. what was happening was, they were selling them on the streets. the problem was, they didn't realize that the buyer was an undercover cop. this happened on at least five delta airlines planes. but really, this comes down to be an airport security issue. i have reached out to atlanta hartsfield airport to find out if there are any upcoming changes in their security procedures. haven't received a call back yesterday, randi. >> the question is how often does this happen, rene? it's not just the guns we're talking about, but what about drugs and who knows what else? >> it happens a lot. more than we would like to see happen, whether it is drugs, whether it is weapons. there was an airtran employee who was sentenced to ten years for agreeing to smuggle weapons as well as cocaine on to a commercial plane. many other similar stories there that i can run down for you.
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the situation at many airports in speaking to folks is that these airline workers and airport workers, what happens is they undergo security vetting when they're hired. they get their badges, that gives them access to the secured area. but they don't have to go through tsa's screening like you and i do on a daily basis. because they went through that prior vetting. but i spoke with many people who say the problem is you're banking on one background check lasting for the entire time this person is an employee of either the airport or the airline and, you know, things happen and people do things and so this may be a loophole that needs to be addressed. >> what about delta? what are they saying? >> the airline says that they are cooperating with the investigation. you see a statement from the airline there on your screen, they say they take this very
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seriously. that any activity that fails to uphold our safety and security to our customers and employees is something that will not be tolerated. it is something that they'll be cooperating with investigators, randi. >> rene marsh, thank you for the update on that story. still to come, a nightmare. that's what some say bill de blasio is facing right now. land standing tensions between new york's mayor and the city's police force threaten to boil over. the latest fallout in the wake of two slain officers coming your way next. my name's louis,
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long-simmering tensions are boiling over in new york city as the families of two slain police officers grieve. mayor bill de blasio is trying to hit reset on his relationship with the nypd. >> i have throughout my public life expressed tremendous respect for the nypd. it's very well documented. i will continue to. i also think in a democracy that people express their desire for a more fair society and that's right and proper as well. but they must do it peacefully. there can be no violence and there certainly can be no violence against those who protect us and who represent our society. the police are our protecters and they must be respected as such. >> politico has what you might call a different take on that, calling de blasio's current state a "nightmare." writing "bill de blasio, like his progressive political idol
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barack obama, is finding out you can't do new politics if you don't pay attention to old politics. you can't be big city mayor and alienate the cops, and that's just as true now as it was under three term new york city mayor ed koch or even a century ago." joining me to discuss it is politico reporter katie glick and gill alba, a 27 year veteran of the new york city police department who now runs a private security firm. katie, let me start with you, this bad blood between de blasio and police dates back to his 2013 campaign. how that has mayor, would you say, alienated this department? >> well thanks very much for having me. you put it exactly right just a few minutes ago. what we're seeing now is these long-simmering tensions finally playing out above the surface and playing out in a big way. there's long been distrust of de blasio among some in the police force going back to some of his previous positions in political
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life. there may be some indication that there's been some mistrust on both sides. but what we've seen in the past couple of days is these tensions exploding. you have leaders of the police union in new york accusing de blasio of having blood on his hands. he's calling for a step back. so certainly a very tense time in new york. >> certainly. gil, let me bring you in here. the nypd commissioner bill bratton spoke on the "today" show and he said the murders of the officers was a direct spinoff of the protests that we were seeing around the country and certainly around new york. but listen to what the head of the police union had to say and let me ask you about it after this. >> there's blood on many hands tonight, that blood on their hands starts on the steps of city hall in the office of the mayor. >> the if the mayor feels he's been unjustly and unfairly accused of having blood on his hands i would say welcome to the world of the average nypd officer, it doesn't feel very good, does it? >> and that was also mark novak
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there on ac 360 last night. do you believe the police union and mr. lynch, should they apologize for the statements that they've made? >> sorry, i'm shook up a little bit. you're asking me if the police should apologize? i'm saying the mayor should apologize first. that's the start. this is a long history with the police department and mayor de blasio. he has turned his back on the new york city police department. he has shown disdain for new york city police officers and this is the result of this even before the two officers were killed they signed a petition that they don't want the mayor to come to a funeral. so this was already brewing and it was going to come to a point. p did this guy -- >> so you don't think the mayor allowing the protests to continue was a part of this? >> as far as the mayor allowing the -- him calling it off right now you're trying to say or what? >> no, before that. he was allowing the protests. >> it's not allowing. the police are not -- they do so many protests around the city
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with everything else. it's the fact they were saying "kill the cops" and they have no permits, they can do what they want, they curse out the cop. but police are almost with their hands tide so you can't do anything, you can't direct them any place. that's the frustration. and de blasio meets with the people that are demonstrating not with the police. so he takes one side and not the other. he turns his back on the police so what's happening now. he walks into the hospital and what happens? police turn their back on him. so it's not going to be an easy solution. >> hi seems to be making an effort. we know he met with the families, this is new video into cnn this morning. there is mayor de blasio at the memorial in brooklyn where these two officers were ambushed and killed. this is his first visit to the memorial. katie, does it appear he's trying to press the reset button on this relationship? can he do so? >> well, he certainly is appearing to try. he said he will absolutely be looking to go to the funerals of these slain police officers but at this point there doesn't
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appear to be an immediate obvious off ramp for him. you know, this, of course, comes in the context of not only years of perhaps mistrust but also weeks of pretty explosive tensions. as we were just talking about, some police officers feel that he didn't really have their backs in the wake of some of the protests that we've seen sweep the streets in new york. so you're seeing that come to the forefront now. tensions are so high it remains to be seen how receptive people will be to some of his overtures now. >> gil, you say this goes back before this. should the mayor have been doing other things maybe to prevent this from escalating to the point where we're at now? >> he can still keep his philosophy, what he has, but he has to work with the new york city police department so he has to change. but it's not the police commissioner that should be talking, it should be the mayor who should be able to now take control and put the city back together again and start with the mayor. and i think that's -- starting with him i think he could do it. just going to seeing the --
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going to the vigil there, that's a help, he should have did that from the beginning. he didn't even visit the families right away. he has to do all that but he has to answer questions from the press and everybody else. so he's deflecting everything. go face it, fight it, and i think he can take over and i think the police department would be just as glad that he does this and if they start working together, that would be a good cause. >> all right, gil alba, appreciate it. katie glick, nice to see you as well. thank you both. >> thank you. still to come, a christmas time tragedy. a mother convicted in the murder of her young son now two decades later walks free from death row. female announcer: it's time to make room for the new mattress models!
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an arizona appeals court has thrown out charges against a mother in the 1989 murder of her son. jurors belie s of a trial say t believed the police who say she confessed. but did she? >> reporter: it was december 1989, all christopher milky wanted to do was see santa claus, but that's not what happened. he wasn't taken to the mall to sit on santa's lap, he was taken to the desert and shot execution style. he was just four. within hours, investigators
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identified two suspects -- james styres and roger scott. scott cracked and led investigators to the boy's body. why did they do it? the story began to unfold when phoenix police detective armando s saldate said the boy's mother has been involved so he zeroed in on debra milky. >> he in his mind based upon the little bit of information he had was convinced that this woman did it. >> reporter: saldate arrested milky, a 25-year-old insurance company clerk and within 20 minutes announce shed confessed to arranging for the men to kill her son. the alleged motive -- a $5,000 insurance payout. debra milky was charged with first degree murder. the arrest and charged based solely on detective saldate's statements. at milky's murder trial, saldate was the state's star witness. >> she decided that it would be
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best for christopher milky to die. >> milky shot back. >> and i looked at sal dat tae and i said "if i didn't want my son then i could give him -- i would have given him to my family, my sister, someone else in my family." >> reporter: still, the jury believed the detective. in 1990, milky was convicted and sentenced to die. but that was just the beginning of this strange case. for more than two decades, her story has captivated the state of arizona, especially those here in phoenix who have been asking, would milky really have had her own son killed for $5,000? and if so, why did the two men she supposedly hired to do the job refuse to testify against her? milky has always maintained her innocence and never gave up on her appeals. milky insisted she never confessed. private investigator paul huble
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believes her. he was working for a local tv station when christopher milky was killed and interviewed debra a couple hours after detective saldate did. >> did you tell the police you had anything to do with the death of your son. she glared at me, her eyes got big and she said "that's crazy, who told you that, i had nothing to do with the death of my son." >> this is probably my favorite. >> reporter: but her ex-husband, christopher's father, disagrees. he always has. do you believe your ex-wife killed your son? >> i know she did. i don't believe it. i mow she did. >> reporter: so that's where things stood until march of this year as debra milky sat on death row. where they stood until a stunning turn of events. a panel of judges from the ninth circuit court of appeals decided debra milky should get a new trial. in a scathing opinion, federal judge alex kosinski tossed out her conviction, suggesting her confession had been illegally obtained adding "it probably
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never occurred." court documents show saldate didn't trord alleged confession or his interrogation of debra milky. there were no other officers present in that interrogation room, no one was watching through a two-way mirror and there were no cameras or microphones to record it. and there's more. saldate never asked debra milky to put her confession in writing and he even skipped the most basic step of having her sign a miranda waiver. the federal appeals court judges didn't say milky is innocent, but other than her so-called confession, there is no physical evidence lunging her to the crime. judge kosinski also found prosecutors failed to disclose what they knew about detective saldate's history of misconduct, disciplinary action and lying. the judge cited eighticationth cases where confessions, indictments or convictions weres toed out or set aside because saldate either lied under oath or violated constitutional rights. in one case, saldate let a
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motorist with a faulty taillight go in exchange for sex, then lied to his superiors about it. the judge determined this would likely have cast doubt on detective saldate's credibility and may have influenced the verdict. >> it's still a fact that she was convicted of the murder of her four-year-old son. >> on friday, september 6, 23 years after she was sent to death row, debra milky walked out of prison a free woman. for now. she was finally able to hug her mother for the first time in more than 20 years. now 49, milky is preparing for yet another trial, but this time around things may be different. a judge will soon decide if her alleged confession is even admissible in court and detective saldate? he may ask for immunity and not testify. >> they don't have saldate to testify and if they don't have a confession this case has to be dismissed? >> which means debra milky may
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get used to life on the outside. and joining me now to talk about this rather interesting case is joey jackson, an hln legal analyst and criminal defense attorney and mel robbins, cnn commentator and legal analyst. i knew we were chatting it up while we were watching this. the prosecutor planning to appeal the lower court's decision. >> how do you even do that? when you have no physical evidence, you've got a dirty cop that has eight violations and you as a prosecutor are now putting your integrity on the line say iing after we have had this decision overturned, she's been released, we know there were no miranda warnings, no written confession, it was his word against hers. how do you in good conscience even appeal this case, randi? >> it's a fair point. >> former prosecutor. >> absolutely. it's a very fair point. understand this -- great piece, randi, that's a major injustice that's been uncovered. your role as a prosecutor is to
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do justice, not about getting convictions but what is just and rite. and when you have a case, a capital murder case, and you're depending upon a detective because the detective is saying she confessed and i'll tell you what she said and in addition to that, forget about the fact she didn't write it down or wasn't recorded, there's no independent eyewitness who was a police officer who was there. when it's your word against the other persons and you have this egregious misconduct on the part of the detective and you don't disclose it to the defense, it's a major what we call brady violation. what does that mean in english? it means if there's information that would tend to support the accused, that would tend to show the accused is innocent it must be turned over. not only, randi, did they not turn over the offenses of this detective that would have gone to his credibility, the very core of this case, but when the defense attorney tried to affirmatively get it through a subpoena, they made a motion to squash it. >> so they covered it up. >> absolutely. >> there's something else, which is amazing. the chief justice of the ninth
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circuit wrote a blistering takedown of not only the prosecutor but the police, the state judge, a federal judge, he named names. randi, listen to this. "no civilized system of justice should have to depend on such flimsy evidence, quite possibly tainted by dishonesty or overzealousness." he actually goes on to say that the police department, the supervisor should be ashamed of themselves. you know what we call that in a legal profession? a bench slap right there from the ninth circuit. >> we call it a lot more than that but mel's on tv. >> the fact that detective saldate, refused to take the stand again fear of perjury, that tells you something, right? >> it does, randi, and when you look at what wasn't turned over. listen to this, 1983, saldate admitted interrogate ago suspect strap add gurney suffering from a skull fracture. 1986, the trial found saldate told a grand jury a victim was
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shot four times even though it was undisputed they were shot once. i could go on and on. if you give it to a defense a attorney who's able and capable, mel, what would you have done having had all this information when the that detective testifies, you obliterate them. >> you would have gotten an acquittal. >> so today you're telling the truth. let's talk about what you said in 1983, you lied, didn't you? and in 1986 you lied then, too. >> eight different times. this is a case where it was his word against hers. >> that's all they had. that was it. >> there was no physical evidence, no taped confession. >> and the two guys accused of being her partners in this crime refused to testify. >> and they were on death row so they have every incentive in the world to cop a deal in order for testimony. they refused to testify against her so this is why i go back to my original point. how as a prosecutor who is committed to justice do you possibly justify submitting an appeal in this case? >> it's a great point. the point is is that i get and understand that the prosecutor has to cover themselves to try
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to establish that they did the right thing, but when it's so obviously the wrong thing it's tough to defend that. at the end of the day it comes back to what we talked about before. as a prosecutor, do justice, don't just go out and get convictions. you that and i think this system is much better off and society really then has trust and confidence in your role. >> it's a fascinating case that we will, of course, continue to follow. joey jackson, mel robbins, great discussion. still to come, many workers have protested for a higher minimum wage. now some of them are about to get it. i've always loved exploring and looking for something better. that's the way i look at life. especially now that i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib, a type of irregular heartbeat, not caused by a heart valve problem.
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black friday sales dropped 11% from last year. well, in just a few days, minimum wage workers in some 20 states will have more money to spend. about four million people are about to get a new year's pay raise. cnn's chief business correspondent christine romans is here with the details on that. that's nice news. >> it is. this is about -- this is basically -- well, we have 29 states that have minimum wages higher than the $7.25 national average. i'll show you on this map where you'll see wage increases but it's pretty weidespread. some are tied to inflation so some states have laws the minimum wage rises with inflation. others are new referendum. the largest hike will be in south dakota, $1.25 extra people in south dakota will get working at the lowest wage. the smallest hike is in florida, 125b9 cents. this is about 60% of all u.s. workers are under a higher minimum wage in this country. and it's an important discussion, really, because
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wages in general have not been rising and so even if the economy has recovered, randi, wages have not been raising. in washington they haven't been able to raise the federal minimum wage so states are doing it instead. >> so you look at the minimum wage going up in states, how does it compare with the rest of the world? >> the federal minimum wage is $7.25. denmark -- much higher taxes -- but in denmark $20 an hour. germany $10, france $11.66. all industrializations with a lot higher minimum wages than the united states. and when you adjust the united states minimum wage in the u.s. for inflation, this is -- minimum wage workers basically have been earning less now than they have in past decades. small business owners will tell you, no, no, this is not a good time to be raising the minimum wage because we have to do obamacare next year for the first time. so we've got all this other paperwork and regulation to deal with, now is not the time to raise the minimum wage but states, even red states, voters have been saying no, we think
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