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on the street want is when things go wrong in our world and sometimes it does. when we have to use deadly force, we'd like to know that the rule of law is going to prevail, and we're not going to allow people to go on a witch hunt looking to hang some cop for some political reason. that's when i want to hear important people including law enforcement executives but more so the political class to not take the political route, do the right thing and extol the virtuals and if cops make mistakes we'll handle that on a case-by-case basis. but to totally defame for the president of the united states to say and i'll repeat it that cops have a fear of people who don't look like them is repugnant. >> again, we played the sound of the president, as you say, speaking out of one side of his mouth, but very praising law enforcement. >> well i'd like for you to bring up some of the comments i've heard them say. >> sir, i don't want to argue with you over what the president said or didn't say. when we hear from the new york
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police department. this is significant. this has been a recent issue. they're actually investigating officers to see if they're issuing fewer tickets out of protests connected to all of what we've been discussing. if this were happening in milwaukee county how would you handle that as a sheriff. >> for heaven sakes, these officers just laid their colleagues to rest. it's been about two weeks since these two officers were slain. give them a break for heaven sakes. they're still grieving. i was out there with them on saturday. they're still suffering, trying to come to grips with this. for people to think they should just shrug their shoulders and say, oh well time to go back to work is totally insensitive. more pride than that. give them a break to go through the grieving process and then you know we'll take a look. to look at a two-week snapshot is not a good sample pool to be able to make a determination as to whether there's some orchestrated slowdown. i know cops better than that. i know new york officers better than that. that's not what's going on here.
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>> sheriff david clark, thank you, sir. >> you're very welcome. you are watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin, more breaking news here out of new york. as we were just discussing with the sheriff out of wisconsin, police have now arrested three men in a shooting of those two nypd officers who were offduty. initially, one officer was listed in critical condition. but the latest word we have here at cnn is that both men are now stable. but talk about just a tragic start to this new year for this particular police department after a just gut wrenching ending to 2014. you know the story about the two officers who were murdered in december for simply being law enforcement. that's according to investigators. but this latest shooting appears to be connected to a crime. now, the mayor of new york city is hailing the commitment of the officers who were shot they had just ended their shifts when this armed robbery call came in. and instead of leaving, instead
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of going home, these two officers said joined the search for the suspect. evan perez joining me here with more on this. before we get to these arrests, what more can you tell me as far as what happened? >> well brooke we know that the nypd is planning a press conference at 4:00 to provide more information about these arrests. we know they have three men in custody now, three suspects. we don't know what the role of the third suspect. we knew of earlier of two of them. when these two officers arrived on the scene, they saw two suspects that matched the description of the call that went out. and then they started taking fire. these officers were in plain clothes. it's not clear whether these suspects knew that these were police officers. this is a lot different from the assassination of those two officers in brooklyn just a couple of weeks ago. these officers were on the job, they were responding to a call. and it's not clear whether they knew that these were cops. however, that doesn't matter. they shot a cop and -- two cops. >> two cops.
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>> and now we have the shooters in custody, the second one checked themselves to a hospital because he had gun shot wounds from the officers returning fire. and so he's obviously also under investigation. and we expect some charges forthcoming on that. and then the third suspect, we're not sure what role he played. >> okay. there was a reward correct? >> there was a reward being offered $12,000 and obviously, the picture that was put out very clear picture, i'm sure helped get tips in as to who this suspect was. who this gunman was. we don't know whether or not the reward money, $12,000 was going to be given to anyone yet. that's something that the nypd is looking into. >> thank you. >> thanks. new questions today, new questions about exactly how much the air asia pilots knew about the bad weather before that flight 8501 took off. but first, let me bring you up to speed of the search today because crews have found this. seats, life vests and airline safety cards. while the prevailing belief is
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that most of the victims are strapped to their seats, in the plane's sunken fuselage crews found two more bodies separate from those seats. bodies and debris are being picked up by american warship "uss sampson." and in just a couple of hours from now, that search is set to resume. miles o'brien along with david. where the flight to singapore originated. david, you're there. let me begin with you. what more do we know about the pilots and this weather briefing? >> yeah brooke what we know is how airasia pilots obtain their information. but what i can tell you is this right here is the official weather report of the official weather agency. this is from the morning of
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december 28th. the day the flight took off. it details cloud cover, temperatures wind speeds and direction at different altitudes. all the information the crew would need to understand what lay ahead and to make their flight plan and to fly safely. what we understand from the weather station is that the air asia crew did not pick up a paper copy at the station. and instead, what they did is got the information online. it's caused a little bit of confusion. but our understanding is that the information they could download and then print out and then bring to the cockpits that the airline could was about the same. but the airline said in a statement, air asia indonesia receives and disseminates the weather report that comes from the same source as the hard copy version made available at the meteorological station. still a government source telling cnn that they are looking into how airasia obtained the information.
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the other point wort noting is that before the accident, before flight 8501. they'd be handing the information and make their plans on their own in the cockpit. now the indonesian transport ministry issuing a directive saying they have to meet with a flight operations officer and have a face to face briefing. brooke? >> david, thank you. first, being the issue of not actually physically picking up the weather documentation but having it e-mailed to you. i talked to a pilot a second ago and he said it shouldn't matter either way. and the last bit about being briefed in person or not. what's your read on this? >> well i think we agree it seems a little bit silly. and it doesn't necessarily make things safer to require the flight crew walk down the hall and meet face to face with the weather officer before they go on a flight.
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however, if that is the rule and the airline was simply ignored. >> forgive me i see the microphone on you, but i'm hearing you kind of sort of. so we're going to work on your mike. i want to hear what you're saying exactly. quick break. we'll be right back.
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and i love live tv. miles o'brien with me with a functioning microphone. let me take two. we were talking about the issue about these pilots air asia pilots not physically picking up the weather documentation before hopping on this plane. but rather getting it via e-mail. and i think you were saying something along the lines of this is just silly. >> yeah. you know, do they require carrier pigeons or something? it obviously doesn't make things safer to physically go down the hall and receive this personal briefing. having said that the point i would like to make about this and the important point for all of us is if it in fact that was the rule, and the airline
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was somehow ignoring the rule just doing its own way of doing business that represents a culture that we might want to pay some attention to. aviation rules are written in blood. that's the term we use. and you may think they're stupid but you follow them for good reasons. there usually is a reason behind them. and so if an airline is ignoring them and playing by its own set of rules, that could be a contributing factor. >> i'm putting that other nugget up on the cork board of things that paint this puzzle. the other thing we're getting word at least one of the locater pingers, one of the batteries on one of these air asia black boxes was recently replaced. so that has to be a good thing. the weather conditions and everything else has made it difficult for them to hear anything there. one concern is that the battery failed that raises the odds
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that the thing is working. let's hope we hear something soon. >> all right. miles o'brien, thank you. >> you're welcome. >> let's move along because we've got more breaking news for you. the former republican governor of virginia bob mcdonnell has now been sentenced to two years in prison two, following his conviction last september on federal corruption charges. his attorneys have signaled they will appeal. both mcdonnell and his wife wife before found guilty of trying to cash in on the office. a judge just rejecting the prosecution's request for a minimum ten-year sentence. at the center of this scandal. prosecutors say the governor and his wife got about $177,000 in loans and vacations and gifts and other valuables from williams in exchange for political favors. to be more specific, some of those gifts include designer
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shoes, clothes, iphones and golf clubs. >> three years in -- >> good to be here. >> here you have it the two years, that's the news that's come down. i think you had told one of my colleagues here at cnn, you know as far as these prisons go that you know these inmates can pick out a phony. they know who is lying, a b.s. artist. now that we know he's going in for two. what's your one piece of advice for him? >> well, again, to be humble and to be honest and keep your head down, two years is terrible for him and his family. i remember when my sentence came down whatever amount of time you get in prison is terrible. but the truth is, it could have been a lot worse. i think the judge was relatively fair to him. prosecutors were asking for ten years, i think that's egregious. he's going to wind up spending somewhere between 15 and 18 months in the prison. and at that time he'll basically be one of the inmates.
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he needs to be humble and try to get along with everybody. >> what are these other inmates like who will be with him. will his reputation help him behind bars or will it hurt him? >> i don't think it'll matter, actually. to the inmates. the inmates see all kinds of people come in. most of the inmates in federal prison in a minimum security 90% of them are drug dealers, inner city drug dealers often. and they're not necessarily impressed with the fact somebody's a governor. but i don't think they'll hold it against him that he was a member of the government. it depends entirely on how he acts in the prison. if he's somebody who is able to get along with people and able to again, be humble and be understated, i think he'll be fine. he'll be able to get through with no problem. >> you mentioned some of these drug dealers. if we're talking about someone such as yourself or, you know, a former governor of virginia i'm wondering what the prison population is like what sort of
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perks he may get, maybe that you got or not at all. >> no i think it'll be unfortunately, the opposite likely. there really aren't any perks there to begin with. i mean all the federal prisons basically are the same. there's no white collar prison. and again, he'll be in mainly with people who are drug dealers, which is the majority of the federal prisoners. i don't think, necessarily, they'll mistreat him, either they are the staff, it depends entirely again, on him. but he won't get any benefits. he may wind up with a worse job in prison because he's a governor and some staff member wants to decide they want to show him. that kind of thing is possible. again, it's up to how he approaches it. >> attitude huh? attitude, two years in federal prison. jack abeermoff, thank you. >> thank you. a grand jury from the michael brown case in ferguson missouri wants to speak south is suing in order to do so. we'll talk to nancy grace. get her take on all of this.
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grand jury proceedings are supposed to be secret. behind closed doors, never to be released in grand juries by law are never ever allowed to talk about what they saw, what they heard. so it's a bit of a shock that one of these grand jurors in ferguson missouri is actually suing the st. louis prosecutor for the right to speak out about the experience. this unnamed juror being represented by the aclu alleges the public has been misled about what happened inside of that grand jury room which resulted as you well know in officer darren wilson not being indicted in the shooting death of michael brown. so we go to hln's nancy grace. and i want to hear your take on this. should he or she be able to speak, or not, what do you think? what is your gut? what do you think the real motivation is here for this
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individual? >> well, i think it could be one of two things. either one, they want to jump on the bandwagon and be part of the story themselves. you've always got to look at whether someone is trying for monetary gain. it could be fame it could be money, it could be an interview. with a tabloid or a legitimate magazine. it could be any number of things. i mean it's gotten out who the grand jurors actually are. it could be that. or it could be something else. could very well be that now that the grand juror has seen the reports, heard evidence they have not heard in the grand jury room, they realize that something very hinky was going on to put it in street terms. they see a dichotomy between
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what they learned now and what they learned in the jury room. >> we know that when you read what this grand juror's lawyer -- >> i knew you would go with that versus dichotomy. >> i know what you're saying. if we're saying this lawyer says this prosecutor implied that all of the jurors all of them were against any charges against wilson and saying you know what that's not accurate do you think that's enough of an argument to yank the gag order? >> well i notice in their complaint, which i've got here and they refer to themselves as grand juror doe. they cite to butterworth versus smith. where a witness got to speak about what happened inside the proceedings. there's a big difference in a witness exercising their first amendment right to free speech is the ruling precedent. in that case in butterworth versus a juror. but, let's look at other juries. not just grand juries. very often, you hear jurors
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jurors of 12 that hear trials they speak out, they write books, they go on tv, they have press conferences. >> this is totally different. >> yes, it is. this is a grand jury. now, why is there a difference? in a grand jury the jury is allowed to hear evidence, a regular juror would never hear. they hear hearsay, they hear he said/she said she said/he said. they hear from confidential informants. a lot of information that must be kept confidential for different reasons, lie the c.i. got to be kept secret to save his or her life. that's why we have secrecy. >> so then in all your years as a prosecutor, i mean, have you ever heard of a grand juror filing suit? >> i've never heard. in all my years. and i worked all the ten years i prosecuted i very often pulled grand jury duty. i mean everybody, in our office
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did. had 100 lawyers. we all presented to the grand jury all the time. so i've never heard of a grand juror speaking out against the district attorney or filing suit. now, here's a reason they may win. >> do you think they should win as you answer that? >> i think typically secrecy must be enforced for the grand jury to protect witnesses. however, if a showing can be made that there was wrong doing let me make a comparison for you. the husband/wife privilege in court, the marital privilege cannot be pierced unless it's a case about marital or child abuse or a crime. so if the privilege or the secrecy is being used to shroud or cover up wrong doing, then that privilege blows up and that's what i think should happen here. if this grand juror can make a showing in camera which is behind closed doors to the judge that wrong doing of some sort
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has taken place or even an impropriety, then in my mind, that blows up the secrecy. >> we'll find out after we judge, nancy grace. thank you. nancy grace tonight and weeknights 8:00 p.m. on hln. also just in here president obama speaking today about the new 114th congress. we saw at the top of the last hour the speaker, john boehner being sworn in. here you have it now they're all senate house controlled by republican party. the president is scheduled to meet with congressional leaders next tuesday. here's the president. >> i want to congratulate once again on their positions as speaker and majority leader in the senate. and i'm very much looking forward to working. already had a chance to say happy new year to him. and i'm confident there are going to be areas where we disagree and there'll be some
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battles, but i'm also confident that there are enormous areas of potential agreement and we have to make sure that we focus on those areas where we can make significant progress together. i wish them well. i wish them well and hopefully have a productive 2015. >> all right. thank you. >> we can tell you that earlier today the white house said president obama would veto a keystone pipeline bill if passed by congress. it took rescuers almost an hour to find two young skiers buried under this mountain of snow. they apparently were not wearing special gear designed specifically for avalanches. and that is precisely what happened. next we'll talk to an expert about why some did make it out alive. and cnn goes into the woods of kentucky retraces the steps of that 7-year-old girl who
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for sailor gutzler, surviving a plane crash was the first ordeal the next was surviving the rest of her life without her immediate family. the 7-year-old was the sole survivor of this crash that left her mother, her father, her older sister and cousin dead. and as horrific as all of that is she then had to set off alone, freezing in a dark wooded area in the rain to try to find help. so we sent our cnn crew including our correspondent martin savidge retracing her steps to see exactly how tough that trek was. >> any direction takes you into deep brush. it's not like i'm looking for the easiest path. there is no path just dense undergrowth that grabs, trips and stabs. >> this is really nasty stuff. you can see the really sharp needles on here, these are briars. >> got to pull away from that. we'll be back in a second. we were talking about the news bob mcdonnell sentenced to two
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years in federal prison. speaking now. take a listen. >> and their undying kindnesses in telling me they continue to believe in me despite these proceedings. i don't believe that i would be as much able to handle the news of today without the love of some many people around the state. i also want to thank my distinguished team here. all the team that's behind me today. they have really been remarkable. and i know they are enthusiastic about the appeal that will be filed here shortly. i also want to thank my family who have been unbelievably resolute. this has been an extraordinarily difficult time for my children, my wife my brothers sisters,
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cousins, nephews, nieces many many of whom are here in the courtroom today. and they have been you know beyond loving and forgiving and uplifting in their support for me. and finally, and really most importantly, i want to say that i have immense faith in the justice system, but i have tremendous faith and trust in the providence of the lord jesus christ and his ability to mete out justice. and so that is my hope for ultimate vindication. i know his love never fails, never gives up and it's never going to run out on me. and that's what's kept me going. and will keep us focused on a bright hope for a productive future so i can continue what i've done for 38 years, and that is to serve the people. >> governor -- >> with that --
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>> governor when you came in you were looking at 10 1/2 to 12 years. >> i'm not going to take any questions. so there's no sense starting, okay. so what i'm going to do is my counsel want to make some brief comments. let me tell you also i do want to thank you members of the press many of whom i've known for quite a long time. many, many of you have gone out of your way to try to be fair and respectful to my family. i'm very grateful for that. this has been very hard being governor's hard by itself but being governor with these kinds of accusations is difficult. and many of you have gone beyond the call in being gracious to me and my family and i really thank you for that. >> just want to -- >> all right so there you have it that's the first time we've seen former virginia governor bob mcdonnell speaking in the wake of this judge officially sentencing him to two years in a federal prison in the wake of this corruption scandal. he was apparently involved in.
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exchanging political favors for gifts. he as you heard him mention, other than thanking his family hoping to win that appeal. but again, if he doesn't, he's headed to federal prison two years. let's take you back to the story out of kentucky. we've been just marveling over this 7-year-old little girl who managed to survive. the small plane that crashed in the woods of kentucky a couple of days ago. she somehow has the wherewithal to walk away dressed because they've been down in the keys down in florida. walked through the woods, and finds this one man with the single light on who helps her call the ambulance. and apparently she's okay. she's with family now, and this is sailor gutzler. and one victim of that crash was sailor's cousin sierra wilder. and, of course her family is just absolutely inconsolable. but, her mother spoke to -- >> to take away something good from this. and just think, you know we
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don't have another tomorrow. you know, you don't know who you're going to not see. you don't know if somebody's going to walk out that door and you're never going to see them again. and that's what all her friends are saying at school. they thought they had so much time with her, just like we did. we thought we had so much more time. and thank god i got to hug her and kiss her before she left. >> let's talk about all of this with a grief consultant and author of "the real rules of life." nice to see you. welcome. >> good to be with you, brooke. >> my goodness. when you think about seailor, at 7 years of age. you were old enough to know you were in a plane crash, your parents have died. how does she wrap her head around this? >> you know it's going to take time and it's going to take baby steps. and here's a kid who found her way through the woods in the dark. and that's going to continue. she's in a new normal with
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things happening that she can't possibly understand. and it's going to take the adults around her talking with her in dialogue and conversation. you know, we all know from talking with our own kids that the best way to talk to kids is not to talk it's to listen. it's going to take a lot of listening to her and taking baby steps and going one step at a time and doing the things that she finds and the adults around her find are most helpful as things settle in. >> so ken, in this new normal, what is best for her? we know she's with family members. is it best to go back to, you know, the hometown where she lived, go back to that school? or start fresh somewhere else? >> you know brooke those are all such important questions. and, unfortunately, we're going to have to take it one step at a time. and we're going to have to ask sailor. here's a kid, you know, who
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obviously who knows a lot about what she wants and knows how to find her way. so i think it's going to be taking one step at a time and asking her as we do with all of our kids multiple choice questions, like do you think now would be a good time to go back and visit your house, your family house? and she might say, you know i'm really not ready for that. it would be better if i stayed here. and really taking that into serious consideration not trying to rush her, the biggest mistake we make is to try to rush kids and to fix the problem. the problem can't be fixed. this is not a fix problem. this is a stand with her, walk every step with her and be in conversation with her as she expresses her needs for what she's ready for. >> and as you pointed out, to listen. thank you very much. >> thank you so much, brooke. and in a moment of silence
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today, for the two american skiers on a fast track to olympic glory when they were killed mine avalanche in austria ya. >> rest in peace. >> four other skiers who were also with them, training in the austrian alps managed to escape. but ronnie burrlack and asle did not make it out alive. they were off the marked trail when the avalanche of snow and rocks came down on them. it's believed neither man was wearing avenue language emergency gear. bruce tremper, director for service utah avenue language center joining me now. and bruce, if you are this you know olympian ski racer, can you explain it to me someone who maybe on a good day can pull off one black diamond slope. when you see there is an avalanche warning.
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and it's a 3 out of a 5. is that a stay away? or is that a manageable risk with the right equipment? >> yeah. the avalanche risk is level three out of a scale of 1 to 5. that's level orange. and here in the united states that means dangerous conditions and you should choose conservative terrain. in other words, stay off of slopes between about 34 and 45 degrees in steepness. so if you pay attention to the avalanche report before heading out, then you, they tell you where it's safe where it's not safe, and what kind of terrain you should be in for that particular day. >> when it is in orange when it is a three and you're out there on the slopes and you start to hear i don't even know if it would be a crunching ore eerie silence. what is the noise that signals the beginning? and how much time do you have to get out of there? >> yeah. the key, of course is just avoiding being caught in an
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avalanche. because once you're caught in the avenue language,alanchevalanche. if you're caught in an avalanche, there's not that much you can do. the whole mountainside shatters like a pane of glass and roars to the board very, very quickly. it can go up to 80 miles an hour. they're very very dangerous. 1 out of 4 people are killed by the trauma of hitting trees and rocks on the way down. and then once you're buried then they're extremely dangerous. because there's plenty of air in the snow to breathe. that's not the problem. but it's just our own carbon dioxide that's the problem. you know we breathe out into the snow and then we breathe our carbon dioxide back in. it's like breathing into a paper bag, you know, you pass out pretty quickly. and you've only got about 15 minutes to live on to the snow. that's why your partners have to get you out from under the snow quickly. >> horrible too, you would have that 15 minutes you would have you know you would be aware of what was happening.
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bruce, thank you so much. horrible thoughts with those skiers' families for sure. next a controversial response to protesters angry over the deaths of young black men. i want you to look at what a former police officer tweeted out. this photo. you will hear directly from him next. shrimp? who are you calling a shrimp? that, my friend, is a big shrimp. it's red lobster's big shrimp festival. i get to pick my perfect pair from six creations for just $15.99. so open wide for crispy jumbo tempura shrimp with soy ginger sauce, and make room for creamy shrimp scampi linguini. yeah, we're gonna need a bigger fork. unless i eat those spicy sriracha grilled shrimp right off the skewer. don't judge me. join me. but hurry, because the big shrimp festival ends soon.
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senate minority leader harry reid not on capitol hill today as the 114th congress sworn in.
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senator reid was injured over the weekend in some sort of exercise accident. and now we have an explanation from him as far as what happened in this video. take a listen and look at him. >> as most people know i fought for a couple of years. after any one of those fights i never look like i do now. however, i didn't get this black eye by sparring with manny, by challenging floyd mayweather. i didn't go bull riding i wasn't riding a motorcycle. i was exercising in my new home. and the doctors have told me i better take it easy. i had my presentation all made to start the new congress i've been doing new congresses for -- this will be my 33-year-old. and i really have some home sickness for lack of a better description, but i had a terrific meeting this morning with my leadership. senator durbin senator schumer, senator murray.
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we've been together for a number of years. a long time. working together. and we're speaking with one voice. we're going to continue to fight for good things for this country. we understand the rich are getting richer the poor are getting poorer the middle class being squeezed literally out of existence. and we're going to do everything we can to fulfill the expectations the middle class has. and we will continue to fight for them. and we are going to do that. >> gosh. one word for senator reid, ouch. i don't know what happened. quick reminder though we do know that the leaders of both chambers will be meeting with president obama next tuesday. now to a photo, a different kind of photo. in this aim, we're told was to to -- demonstrators entering
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restaurants, reading the names of people killed by police interrupting these meals, coming and going here. this is all part of this nationwide demonstration against police abuse andin minority communities. john cardillo tweeted this provocative photo saying quote, i'm really enjoying these eggs benedict so move along now. and you see the photo of him pointing the gun. cardillo was on cnn, cnn tonight with my colleague don lemon. and so let me turn to you and begin the conversation. >> i was looking over here at the crew going that picture. >> actually we have some sound. because cardillo took issue with the fact that the brunch protest, right, was compared to civil rights efforts in the '60s and went head to head with charles blow. watch. >> yeah, i think it's ludicrous. these protesters are able to patronize these restaurants. i think it's demeaning to what i
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consider heroes of the civil rights movement. and, you know people took offense to my photo. i would have been the first guy sitting at those lunch counters protecting those people who were being discriminated against for basic human rights. i think it's disrespectful to them to compare their struggle to what i think are a bunch of rich college kids. and a lot of the protesters i see are white, asian, hispanic. not necessarily african-american. but to compare them to people who weren't allowed to eat in those restaurants is to me a silly comparison. >> what's demeaning is, actually posting a photo with the hashtag black brunch and a gun pointed at it. >> you're being called racist because of this photo. that's demeaning. >> what's demeaning. >> and the idea that you would come on television and try to say it was a social experiment. it wasn't a social experiment. you were behaving the way you wanted to behave. and called you out on it and
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it's outrageous. and no one's -- >> one at a time. let him finish and then you -- >> people wanting to have a dialogue. and you know better than that. and we're not going to sit here and let you say this was some sort of social experiment. >> wow. >> yeah. >> so it went on? >> for a couple of minutes. and i kept saying, we're not doing the viewer any service. so they did eventually you know, let each other speak and got their points across. but it was very heated. and you can see this now is showing just how heated and how passionate everyone on both sides of this, on all sides of this are. i wrote an editorial today that black lives matter blue lives matter all lives matter. we have to stop talking over each other and we have to start listening. >> amen to that. >> yeah. >> when you saw, though the pictures i saw sunday of these folks walking into these restaurants in the city and trying to read the names of those lives that have been lost while, you know people are
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eating brunch. >> right. >> is that an effective way of protesting? >> well who am i to say? charles blow said there's no perfect way to protest, right? what's the right way? professor charles ogletree said that's the way they were done during the civil rights movement. and the former police commissioner didn't say anything about that particular issue except if they were breaking the law, and they were asked to leave, then they should leave. listen, i think, again, people have the right to protest. my only issue, and i think many people's issue is they called it interrupting white spaces. i go to brunch every weekend with a whole lot of black people. and it's not only white spaces. so i think when you do that you polarize the people who you are trying to be friendly and to draw on your side. and i think the protesters should
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really think about the optics and their message. listen, right on, protest. that's your right. but think about the optics and the message, what you're doing. manhattan is one of the most liberal places in the world, right? oakland, california, one of the most liberal places in the world. these are people who are already on your side. think about what you're doing. oprah said that as well. messaging a leader, perhaps. not in the old-fashioned way. but something so that the message is cohesive. and we also had the father of the officer who was shot last night, we'll have him. >> thank you so much. coming up next, a special tribute to our colleague, so great, cnn's chris cuomo, speaking about his father, the former governor of new york.
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hundreds and hundreds of people filled the pews of a church in manhattan today to say good-bye to former new york governor and liberal icon mario cuomo. among the dignitaries paying their respects were bill and hillary clinton. but no one felt the loss more deeply than his own family including our colleague here at cnn, chris cuomo. here is chris' own tribute to his dad.
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>> when it's over i want people to say, now, there was an honest person. >> reporter: pop's body is gone. i know because i counted out his pulse until his heart fell silent. 5:15 p.m. his two favorite numbers, 5 and 15. so now his baggy brown eyes, solid grip of soft-grip fingers, they're all gone. what was most important about my father and to him has passed on. passed on as in still exists just in a different way. his spirit passed on to his creator, the spirit of his message endures in us. timeless and timely a call to remember that if all do not share in america's success, there is no real success. >> we can make it all the way with the whole family intact and we have more than once wagon
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train after wagon train to new frontiers of education, housing, peace, the whole family aboard constantly reaching out to extend and enlarge that family all those struggling to claim some small share of america. >> reporter: our interconnectedness our diversity as america's true strength. the value found in immigrants like our family desperate to work to be part of the dream. >> thank you very much. >> reporter: two speeches in eight weeks would define his political life for many of you. the keynote in 1984 -- >> ronald reagan rode in the '80s on a political white horse. >> reporter: when he took on ronald reagan's shining city. >> there are people who sleep in the city streets in the gutter where the glitter doesn't show. >> reporter: and his talk at notre dame where he took on his church's notion of a catholic politician. >> we know that the price of seeking to force our belief on
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others is that they might someday force their belief on us. i protect my right to be a catholic by preserving your right to be anything else you choose. >> reporter: the man liked a challenge. both relied on his core belief we are here to help as many as we can in the best way we can, and that means protecting freedom, especially freedom from oppression. you will hear him called hamlet on the hudson. question it. it's a media phrase more than a matter of fact. pop did not think he should run for president. >> it has nothing to do with my chances, it has everything to do with my job as governor. i don't see i can do both. therefore i will not pursue the presidency. >> reporter: many could not or would not accept that and tried publicly and privately to push him to do otherwise. for better or worse, that's what separated my father from other
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politicians. he in fact did not vacillate. and until the day he died i never heard him regret the decision period. but that is merely politics which can't be forgotten quickly enough. what really matters has certainly been passed on to me and my siblings and our kids. and that was pop's love like a big bear hug on your heart kind of love. his unique sense of humor that could be a weapon. >> let me tell you this you have found so many unusual ways to heap new expenses on this family. you really have. and you've done it not after sweating effort. you've done it naturally. >> reporter: who to be how to be from the simple a handshake is firm a tie is tied in a windsor knot a man shines his own shoes and does so often. he carries a hanky, one for
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others, one for himself. he wears a hat, not a cap. he always has cash and does not go dutch. pass first, shoot second play hard and then play harder. from that to the sublime, all that matters in life is devotion to something bigger than yourself family the less fortunate, take up for them always. his passion, love recklessly fight the good fight fiercely outwork everyone. >> one of the simple things i wanted to achieve was i wanted to be governor i want to be the hardest working there ever was. >> reporter: compete hard or not at all and never as a function of the chance of success. and for all the requirements on an individual the most important was a command for the collective collaborate in making this world a better place. >> what is our mission in this place? your job is to make it as good
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as you can make it. that's all there is. there is no other significance. >> reporter: none of that could ever be buried, living on in the hearts and minds and actions of those who bear his name who heeded his call to action, then and now. that all will pass on. the man himself is gone. the father i went to in times of distress is not there. the truth hurts, pop would say, and this truth hurts worse than i imagined. but i also know that pop would tell me to do. wipe my face let my kids see that i love them be there for my family and do the right thing. and i will pop, just like you. >> just keep going forward believing ever more deeply that it's right to give to people of the world.
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>> chris, thank you for sharing. we are thinking about you from your family here at cnn to you and the cuomo family, thinking about you. thanks for being with me. i'm brooke baldwin. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. a snowstorm couldn't stop school picture day for vice president biden and the brand-new congress sworn in today. i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." the world lead divers called off as the search for airasia flight 8501 and the 123 souls still missing stalls yet again. but now cnn has new details, showing that the pilots missed a key briefing on dangerous flying conditions. they were headed right into. could that have contributed to the crash? our pop culture lead. it could be a contender for that tiny little golden
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