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magazine by three extremists that left three dead not far from where i'm standing. the afp, national press agency, reporting the youngest suspect, 18 years old, turned himself in to police a short time ago. just moments ago, french authorities released photos of the two other men still at large. here they are. people are being warned to consider them armed and dangerous and to notify authorities if they spot them. they are both said to be brothers this their early 30s. all following a major police action in the city of reims, an hour and a half or so by car from here. joining us on the phone there, tico, what's the latest there? actually, we'll join atika shortly. holly in paris. it's been an extraordinary day and the developments are moving very quickly tonight. >> absolutely, you mentioned the sur render of the 18-year-old by
the press. there may be an interesting back story to that. some people on twitter, his classmates said you've got the wrong guy. he was in class when the shooting took place. so some are speculating at this point, he's turning himself in because his name has been circulated and he wants to clear his name. all the details are coming in, but nothing is confirmed. we're really piecing the puzzle together right now as to exactly how many people were involved. from the beginning, we've been hearing three suspects. but right now, if this individual, this young 18-year-old turns himself in and only the pictures of the two older suspects have been issued by police, questions are asked as to exactly how this all went down. >> there are a number of conflicting reports. we're not reporting right now because early reports are often wrong and i don't want to just throw a lot of information out there. a lot of people reporting different things. we're trying to be as accurate as possible. the reaction that you have seen in paris here over the last several hours also in berlin and amsterdam and london, places
like new york, all around the world has been extraordinary. >> absolutely. this is a country in shock, even though there has been talk over the last several months that the possibility of terrorist attacks is heightened because of syria or foreign fighters being recruited to fight in that part of the middle east or isis, et cetera, still though, the scale of this massacre. 12 people killed, just gunned down in a newsroom. especially among journalists. we've all been in editorial meetings. the idea of expression, the ability to satirize, to mock, this very basic right that we hold so dear in any open democracy has been attacked in such a vicious way has gotten people very upset in this country. and you saw it with the demonstrations, really. because in the middle of the week on a wednesday at 2:00 in the morning in this weather, still having tens of thousands of people outside.
>> atika cher bert is here. >> reporter: this is where police, as you can see behind me, went into this apartment building as part of the investigation into this attack. we understand they went in just a few hours ago. you could actually see inside, the curtains were open as they went in. there were a number of sharp shooters in the area in case they were clearly expecting possibly some violence. that did not happen, however. forensic team went in to sweep the area. there's no details exactly whose apartment it is or what they're looking for. but we know it is connected to the attack somehow. the other thing that we do know is that one of the suspects, the 18-year-old hamdi morad, his name put out there.
he's surrendered himself to police. that's according to the afp and he is one of the suspects who was supposed to be from this area. so it's all pretty fluid. it's developing fairly quickly but seems to be at this point, centering in the neighborhood in france. anderson? >>. >> atika, i want to put the picture back up of police say are still at large. is much known about them at this point? i know there's conflicting reports there about whether or not they had some sort of training or experience fighting in syria. there's been a number of kind of conflicting reports about them. what do we know for sure at this point? >> reporter: what we know for sure is that sherif has been in run-ins with the law.
recruiting islamists to go to iraq, for example. this is somebody with a long rap sheet but don't know whether or not he traveled overseas, what kind of experience he may have had with weapons. but it does appear he was running in the sort of extremist circles. now, we know less about his brother, said kouachi. those who spent time in the prison system exposed to extreme forms of the islamist, you know, extremi extremism. this is what we know at this point. but we are still waiting for confirmation from french authorities for more background on both of them, specifically, whether or not they travel to syria or iraq recently.
>> and that, he was put on trial. i think it was 2008 for trying to encourage others to go overseas to iraq and try to go himself. i think he was sentenced to 18 months but he had already served time while awaiting trial, so didn't actually do any extra prison time as i have read. >> reporter: well, this is somebody who was sort of in and out of the prison system. i mean, in the court, in the trial, he actually described himself as a bit of a delinquent, as somebody who is always having run-ins with the law. but found the sort of extreme version of islam that he followed and was further exposed to within the prison system. so this is something that french authorities are now looking to, if he was radicalized this way and if he did travel. there was planning, organization, the heavy weapons, looks like ak-47s in the video, flat jackets.
the question, where did they get the materials, weapons, and did they get training, if so, where did they get that training? >> yeah, atika schubert. appreciate that. check in with you. manhunt surrender wis under way. and counterterrorism official phillip mudd. general, when you see the video of these attackers, i'm wondering what you look at. much comment is the way they were holding their rifles and the calm they picked up a sneaker that had fallen out of the vehicle as they were making the escape. >> it is certainly a well-trained group. whether it be two or three. all of the things that contributed to the attack were rehearsed, obviously, they had some type of military training, anderson. they were very good at weapons control. they were able to fire well and hit what they were aiming at. they had done a reconnaissance. they had the intelligence, the
speak of the operation is very impressive. it's not hard to do. you're talking about three people. there were probably more in support, whether there was a videographer somewhere filming this or support infrastructure, but still, i mean, from a military perspective, that's less than a squad. you can teach a lot of people to do the kinds of things they did. the intelligence piece is the most interesting and the way it was executed was fascinating because we haven't seen that activity in the past. that's what concerns me. it's very concerning because the combination of execution versus luck in finding somebody that does this before based on the intelligence, availability, diminishes, still probably tell you the people contributing to
the action. zbl phil, ever since the mumbai attack. i've been on the particular lookout for these style of attacks. seems to have less coordination than the mumbai attack which had a central control in talking to the gunmen. we haven't heard reports at this time about this attack. what do you see in the video of the attack thus far, what stands out to you? >> i guess i step back and a lot of people in my business, aefrnds, would ask to be blunt. why hasn't this happened more often? we see what you call lone wolf, psychologically imbalanced staged attacks. operations that are much bigger. remember the operation in the london subway in 2005. we haven't seen what a lot of people anticipated, neither lone wolf, nor highly organized. a few people who go in with a well executed operation. i look at this and say, this is
in some ways the worst nightmare of someone like me. simple to execute but more lethal than lone wolf operations. >> phil, for some who think this probably won't happen in the united states but there have been people in the united states who have been convicted of planning exactly this kind of thing, the guy he hadily was hi last name, planned to kill and in fact traveled overseas and was finally arrested in chicago i think at o'hare airport after planning to kill cartoonists as well in europe. >> if you think this can't happen in the united states, let's us look at the threat table. we look at the threat matrix every morning at the fbi. i assume they do the same thing today. the most surprising thing i think most americans would see if they looked at my shoulder at 7:15 or 730 would be the volume
of threat. the volume of stuff like this that's prevented because they only see the real sort of high ok taken threats that make it to the front page of the new york times or cnn. we saw stuff every day that looked like this. in new jersey, new york, california. people trying to execute these attacks and didn't succeed. so again, the fact that this hasn't happened i think is one of the bigger surprises here. >> and general, already in france, france's president came out earlier and said they had already foiled a number of potential terror attacks in the last couple of weeks and there were even other attacks and went forward. 20 or so people wounded. went to a police station and in the knife before shot to death.
there has been a number of attacks of the type we see more and more. the kind in isis and certainly al qaeda try to encourage. >> it's coming to the forefront. i'll chime in what phil said. looking throughout 51 countries many europe and say, where is the next attack going to take place? the same thing in many places because of intelligence or flatout luck, we were able to stop and attack. the one that comes to mind one almost executed, the islam jihad unit. that would have happened as serendipitous actions. trying to fight those who bring insecurity to a stable country and just hard but it never
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breaking news in france. one of the suspects in custody, apparently surrendering to police earlier tonight according to french afp news agency. two other suspects, we show you their photos, still at large. french authorities put out the photos, asking for the public's help for help finding them. less than 24 hours after the massacre. not far from where we're standing tonight, captured on video. martin boudot was ahead of the offices when that scene played out. i spoke to him earlier tonight. when did you realize something was happening? >> well, a league of mine was
going for a smoke outside and he told us two guys, two persons were standing out and trying to get in. we heard the very first shots and then more and more shots and right across the hole, five or six minutes away. >> that close? >> yeah. >> did you know instantly they were shots? >> no, at first we just heard shots. we heard screams and then try to get a roof. >> you ran up to the roof? >> yeah, and try to avoid bullets. and try to keep like 20 people. >> it's incredible though. the video that you took and were
looking at some of it now, i mean, this went on for a number of units. i think five to ten minutes or so. is that about how long it was? >> yeah, five to ten. at least. it seems like it was, you know, so much longer. and then the cops arrived and stopped shooting them. and didn't know. >> police stopped shooting them or the terrorists started shooting the police? >> terrorists started shooting police. and didn't know what they were supposed to do. because we were stuck on the roof. we know there were victims a few minutes away from us and knew there might be a third guy. and they were yelling. so finally what we did, we went to charlie hebdo's office. the first -- >> you entered the offices. >> yes, right after the, probably from 10 to 15 minutes after they left. >> and the scene there? >> it was like a slaughter.
it was like a massacre. could see the bodies on the left into the meeting room and the other other people from charlie hebdo were scared and hiding. they were just standing like zombies. didn't do anything. to be honest, there were not a lot of wanted. just people dead around. >> the early report said there was a gunman but who was the lookout probably staying on the street. >> i didn't see the third guy. i saw a man with professional manners, i've been on the ground like you. i've seen, you know, i've seen
how we manipulate rifles. >> they were using the rifles, shooting relatively calmly. >> the shoulders on the rifle. they were just acting like policemen. at first, thought it was policemen. >> that sort of organized? professional? >> yeah. it was unreal, to be true. and we thought something was going and nobody understood. >> obviously, two policemen were killed in this but it's believed one of them was guarding the offices. had you seen security for that office? >> yes. we've seen police cars for the last couple of months. >> they moved in six months ago. >> yes, and policemen, two or three depending on the days. they were outside the building and they were, you know, days and nights just here. but these last few weeks, they were not here anymore. and from what i heard, charlie hebdo friend and witnesses i
talk to, they thought that the threat was a little less dangerous lately. it looks like something that was a little cooler, if i may. >> things had seemed to settle down a little bit. >> yeah. yeah. that's why they were so surprised by what happened here. we are all surprised and i really want to, you know, tell them how much we support them. obviously you guys here as well, but the french, the friends. you see 100,000 people gathered. >> extraordinary. when you saw the crowds here in paris and other places in france and also all throughout the world, frankly. >> it's very touching. it's beyond words. that means a lot to us. especially when in the u.k., the u.s., montreal. >> if the idea was to silence freedom of expression -- >> it's failed. >> it's failed.
>> they wanted to make charlie hebdo disappear. they made it a legend. charlie hebdo now a legend. thanks to them, actually. and i think that's a good punishment. >> martin, i appreciate the time to talk to us. i am sorry for all you've been through today. >> extraordinary day for him. with us chris dickey from the daily. police put out photos of two systematics who apparently still are at large. >> it seems that they are. they've gone and are looking for them in the city of champagne, as a matter of fact. they haven't had luck. one of the points of interest, once you have the names, there ought to be a ton of information at this time. >> french intelligence, french police. they have extensive contacts. >> they penetrate these groups very thoroughly. much more than the nypd does in
new york. and they had been very effective. it's one reason there's been so few terrorist attacks. but in this case, there seems to have been some kind of lapse. because if these two guys are the guys in the french press, at least one of them had a record with the police. >> had been to jail. been in a wreck. tried. and connected to terrorism. how did they take their eyes off this guy so they could prepare an attack like this so, by the way, he could acquire aklakinof. there's a lot of them in the united states. not really surprised when somebody goes into a fast food chain and some lunatic with automatic rifle. here, you don't see that. they're very hard to get and i
think it's very likely that if they acquired those guns here in france, it was a connection. there's a lot down there in association with drug dealers. >> did they serve time in syria? did they go there? we know there's reports of as many as a thousand french citizens. >> i think it's really important that we don't impose a template on this event based on our fears and based on the kind of reporting that we've all been doing. yes, there's been great concerns that people would go to join isis or fight assad and somehow, be converted and brought back and become terrorists here in europe. that is a real concern. but we don't know that that is the case. >> and one eyewitness and again, it could have been mistaken but
one eyewitness said that one of the gunmen said, tell the media that this was al qaeda and yemen. there's a lot of conflicting reports at this point. we've got to wait and see. chris, thank you. we'll talk you later in the forecast. up next, a major operation took place. one suspect has apparently surrendered to and still believed to be on the run. police releasing these photos of them. more on that ahead. better take something. i'll catch up later. awww... truth is, theraflu severe cold doesn't treat chest congestion. really? new alka-seltzer plus day powder rushes relief to your worst cold symptoms plus chest congestion. oh, what a relief it is. here we go! woooo! woooo! and now, alka-seltzer plus has a complete line of powders to treat your worst cold symptoms.
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we're in paris right now. breaking news in the early morning hours. afp reported the youngest of the three suspects in today's terror attack has surrendered to ples. two suspects remain at large. look at the photos. they're brothers. obviously following a major police raid in the city of reims we've been reporting. barbara starr with what we've been hearing from her sources. barbara? >> reporter: in paris, our own evan perez hears from law enforcement sources that it looks like one of the brothers was known in the u.s. government through french authorities. someone french had tried to keep under surveillance. it raises the question how this man was able to pull off his
participation in one of these attacks. the french are having the same problem that the u.s. has so many terrorism suspects that follow these and it's difficult to conduct 24/7 surveillance on them. but it's beginning to look throughout the last several hours as the french comb through every piece of intelligence they have. they are now putting together a picture of someone that was known to them. and known to u.s. intelligence. it's between intelligence services on both sides of the atlantic to try to pin down more details as the manhunt for the two men urgently continues. anderson? >> barbara, the person known to u.s. intelligence, do you know if that's the same of the two brothers, the same one who actually served time here in france and went on trial?
>> reporter: i'm sorry to say. i don't think we have that level of detail about which one. >> okay. >> reporter: it may be through some sort of judicial system, there may have been information that came out typically would have been shared with u.s. authorities. >> barbara starr, thank you very much. gathering information as much as we can. 12 people murdered in cold blood as the satirical weekly. charlie hebdo. journalists massacred during the editorial meeting. not the first of the latest victims to be targeted for drawings, words, ideas. theo van gogh. murdered in amsterdam. now serving life in prison.
ayaan hirsi ali joining us now. and the cofounder and director of the kwilyum foundation. let's talk in the wake of this. what needs to change within the -- you've tried to come up with counternarrative. what do you believe if anything needs to change, what needs to change? >> thank you, anderson. it's good to speak again on this issue. i think, fundamentally, there needs to be a change of a fundamental mindset. attitudes need to change. muslim communities, all of us together, including non-muslims, have to stand up and show solidarity in instances like this. against racism and antims. limb hate crimes when they happen. when the attack, the whole group of people with the hashtag, ride with you. many australian, with muslims
saying we won't tolerate any blowback with the community. the freedom of speech. on the show with us today and i feel our communities have failed, somebody on a hit list because they have every right to follow their conscience. ayaan, i personally feel i wish more muslims were on the front lines defending your right to follow your conscience and i think there are, might work and if it's successful, it will result in many others like many and there are others, there's people like us in america and in cana canada, dr. in london, there are the beginnings of these voices of muslim reformers who are attempting to can of worms within the faith so all of us can say to people like ayaan, we, yes will ride with you and
defend your right to follow your conscience to speak as you see fit because the last time i check, people like ayaan didn't attack anyone and certainly didn't threaten to kill kill anyone. the real here, they're not just provocative stams or cartoons but men or women who decide it's their prerogative to pick up weapons in the name of god as if god can't look after himself. >> ayaan, do you agree there's too much passivity in the sectors of the muslim community? >> maajid and i have debated and discussed and we now together stand on this issue on one side, which is the use of words, the use of speech, the use of images can never ever justify, never ever justify a retaliation of
violence. so as far as this is concerned, maajid and i are 100% on the same side. maajid has mentioned a number of names from within individuals like me born into islam. i think what we need to do and i admire maajid's courage, i completely encourage him and all of us born into muslim households in whatever degree we're going to address this, but the most important bit of it is to face the grim reality, that this is embedded in the religion we were brought up in. i happen to have left the religion. maajid remains a muslim. but at some point, we have to face the grim fact, it is an ugly fact, it's a fact we want to turn away from, no one wants to turn away that fact more than i am. this is embedded in islam and the best way to fix that is to
acknowledge that and when you talk about attitudes and a mindset, the first thing that comes to my mind is it is an attitude towards the koran. all the individuals, treat this k k koran like a driver's manual. if they look at mohammed on some instances, but some instances, he cannot be a moral guide and that is why maajid and the rest of us who were brought in the house of islam, we need to stand up and to say, in many ways the prophet mohammed cannot be a moral guide. that is what charlie hebdo was doing. if we want to be a part of civilized society, we have to say the prophet mohammed, especially in years after medina, he cannot be a moral guide for good. he was from our 21st century perspective, absolutely immoral.
we have to satirize that. >> maajid. as somebody who's still in the muslim faith, how do you respond to that? >> i distinguish between fundamentalists and the twins, the islamists, both attempt to impose islam either on their personal family lives or in the case of islamists, all of society. and then i also talk about jihadists who use force to spread islam im. on the one hand, there are conservative muslims. i agree the vast majority who are not islamists, conservative muslims and every other muslim out there of every other denomination. what we have to do is recognize it's no longer suitable for us to follow a literalist approach to the religious text.
i'll give examples of what ayaan was speaking of. the koran doesn't explicitly condemn slavely because it was the norm during slavery and regulates slavery. didn't abolish it, it regulated it and put rules and stricts in place. if we did that, we could justify reenslaving people. of course, the vast majority, the overwhelming majority of muslims would find that repugna repugnant. we need to look at carefully, i've come to interpret that in the following way. if i were to say fast food is bad for you, i don't think it means all the people who eat hamburgers are bad people. it means renewing the interpretive methods of the religion and pick on individual muslims. i hear ayaan saying in the message reached loud and clear that all muslims across the
world have to start reflecting on the vacuously literal interpretation. that's a majority but they have to speak up loudly and clearly to reclaim the religion that's been hi jacked. >> maybe, maajid -- >> this is a conversation. go ahead. >> i just wanted to say, maybe one way of acknowledging that, i just want to point out the sea of faces in the rest of europe. when we take the position of victims and victim hood and of being persecuted, we sort of shut that door. i don't think that europeans, the french are going out on a bloodthirsty pursuit of muslims. let's acknowledge the fact that in the decade, we as muches have been provoking civilized society.
we haven't had the backlash a lot of us complain about or talk about. right now, it's time we give back. right now, it's time that muslims stay to the streets in large numbers to show the same solidarity for the freedom of expression, for the freedom of conscience and in doing so, genuinely, truthfully acknowledge what is wrong with our own scripture, what is wrong with the morality we were brought up in. so maajid, we agree but i think we have a long way to g but before we get there, we really need to defend the values of what our soul is made of, the freedom of expression. >> i would love to do an hour with both of you. maajid nawaz, i appreciate you being on. ayaan ali, it's an important conversation. the french news agency. one suspect surrendered. two more still on the run. the manhunt apparently still on. we'll be right back. latte or au lait?
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live in paris. a lot happened in our time on the air. less than 24 hours after the massacre here in paris, frankly, 14 or so hours, a police raid in the city of reims reports to the afp the suspect turned himself in. two others on the run. we learned from barbara starr that one of them, we don't get
to know which one, under french surveillance has a criminal record here in france that we know about. atika shubert with more. what's the latest you hear on the ground, atika? >> reporter: well, things seem to be winding down a bit, but as you can see, still an armed police presence in front of this building. what we do know is they went in heavily armed at first and quite tense. they went in quickly for 15 minutes and then a single gunshot fired and brought in a forensic team. we don't know who they were searching for or who the apartment belonged to. but the younger one who turned himself in came from this area. there may be a connection there. french police are not confirming and of course, we have the photos of those two other suspects that are now out. cherif and said kouachi, they
are considered armed and dangerous and very much on the loose. and so police still on the manhunt there, anderson. >> all right, teatika shubert, appreciate the update. from your worst cold and fre flu symptoms. (vo) theraflu. serious power. muhi this is conor.m music. sorry i missed you. i'm either away from my desk or on another call... ... please leave a message and i'll get back to you... ... just as soon as i'm available. thank you for your patience at this busy time. join us for stargazing with discovery at sea. enjoy cruises from four ninety-nine during our 50th anniversary sale. call your travel consultant or 1-800-princess. princess cruises. come back new.
speed on the breaking news here in paris. one suspect as we were reporting in custody. two others at large. a massive manhunt for them still under way. they're aermd armed and dangero. two brothers. one known. this attack has shaken the country. and yet tonight in the thousand of people that we saw come out in the city of paris and all throughout france and europe. there are signs saying "we are not afraid." >> it was very moving. i grew up in paris. a city i know well. of course when something hits a city you kid home. there is an emotional component to it. and in this case, seeing the images of -- of very large crowd on a cold night in the middle of the week. and lighting up, "i am charlie" in solidarity with the victims, not too far from here. there was something emotional about it i think.
>> one of the interesting things. right now you have an interesting situation here in france. very vol tiatile one. rise of the right-wing, anti-islam. at the same time, france has a problem with radical islamics. in western europe, the most people going to syria and iraq to fight for isis. and the first demos that took place, impromptu were not against islam, they were not right-wing. they were trying to bring people together. people were saying we are not going to allow this to let us drift apart. i think it is a very, very important message that people sent. >> also one of the things that martin boudreau who took the video earlier was saying if the idea was to silence not only obviously this magazine. this publication, but to silence dissent, it's had the opposite impact. >> it was going to fail in france, wasn't it. if one thing lives here it is dissent. isn't it? magazines like this have been doing it for such a long time. they have been going against politicians. they have been going against the jewish community. christian community.
>> this is a magazine. pretty much everybody. >> offend everybody. it had a small circulation. not a magazine that people would pick up, kind of like "le mond." it its front and center because of the attack against its journalists. it really is savage. that's what has gotten people so upset. we have had instances of terrorist attacks in france on a much smaller scale. in this case, an attack against this target. this profile. 12 killed. shocked so many here. >> really in the last couple weeks, the french president came out and said they had foiled a number of other potential attacks. but we have seen the last couple weeks. in other parts of france, two people driving vehicles into crowds of civilians. some 23 people were injured in that. attack of a police station. some one wielding a knife. he was finally shot to death. >> the country is grappling with. something that, an attack like this one is something that people have been fearing for a very long time. because they had seen the pattern of, of people from here
going to syria. going to other places. they knew that some of the people would come back. they would be battle hardened. and also, they would, they wouldn't have any problem killing. it's something that they have seen. these people coming back. it is something that has been a fear for quite some time. as you said there have been several plots that have been, foiled before. but there have been a lot of people saying they did believe that something was -- >> we talked to a former general and another guest, both said, they had been surprised, this has not happened. this kind of attack has not happened in the united states. among the intelligence community, one, two individuals lightly armed with automatic weapons, targeting a particular target. >> the question how do you police against this? you have to make a choice at some point. it is going to be interesting to see the response. do you treat it as the a criminal act? and then move on as a society and not, for instance, inkreps the lev -- increase the level of surveillance, intelligence
gathering that has gotten so many upstreet with recent revelations. that is a question going forward for france and other countries. how do you respond? do you stay who you are as a so t society, or change the way you organize as a society against this perceithreat. >> the two suspects we believe are at large. thank you both. up next what we know about the people whose lives were taken. we remember and honor the victims of this dark day in the city of light. next. that dares to work all the way until... [birds chirping] the am. new aleve pm. it's the first to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour strength of aleve. for pain relief that can last all the way until morning. new aleve pm, for a better am.
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as we come up on the top of the hour. thousand of french police and security forces are looking for two men. these two men. two brothers. one of whom known to french and u.s. law enforcement before the deadly attack. a satirical weekly here in paris not far from where i'm standing. reports a third suspect turned
himself in. of the 12 people killed. six have so far been identified. most were cartoonists. also killed, two police officers, a maintenance worker and guest of the magazine. tom foreman tonight looks back on what we know about the victims so far. >> reporter: he was by far the best known editor at his tiny newspaper and rather than shy away from controversy, stephen charbonet embraced it. seemed to relish in offending everyone. a night after his office was fire bombed because the magazine pretended it had been guest edited by the prophet muhammad, he was as blunt as always. >> this is the act of idiot extremists. >> reporter: a year late here had not backed down a bit. >> woe are provocative today. we will be provocative tomorrow. i do this because the it is's our job to -- to draw about actuality. >> about the news.
yeah. >> our job is not to defend freedom of speech, but without freedom of speech we are dead. >> but as police stood guard outside the newspaper's front door there were many other victim whose were well known in their own right. george wolinski, a louder than life cartoonist. one friend told cnn nothing was sacred for him. after today's attack his daughter posted an instagram message with photo and home office attached. papa is gone, not wolinski. he was 80. he drew cartoons under a pen name. published reports say a contributor and friend of his told cnn he was a great artist. jean cabu was 76 and had his first illustrations published in paris newspapers in 1954. credited withdrawing a controversial cartoon of the prophet muhammad that was published in the paper in 2006. in the whack of the murders, the
deputy mayor of paris called them all "the most famous cartoonists in france." and he added it is a very big and deep shock for all of the press and for all of the world. reflecting on his newspaper and his life's work, stephen charbonet told "lemond" two years age i would rather die stand thank live on my knees. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> well that does it for us from paris tonight our coverage obviously continues now. as cnn tonight and don lemon. >> anderson. thank you. stand by. breaking news, the surrender of one suspect in the manhunt for two more in the terror attack in paris. a deadly attack on the office was captured on camera from a nearby rooftop. perhaps the most chilling thing about it you can hear the gunshots as the attacks begin. [ gunshots ]