tv Fareed Zakaria GPS CNN January 11, 2015 7:00am-8:01am PST
democracy without freedom and there is no freedom without freedom of the press. this is personal for our community. it was journalists doing an honest day's work who were slaughtered in cold blood on wednesday midday here in france and on friday the gunmen turned their sights on the jewish community at the hyper cacher market in the port de vincennes and five people were killed. the prime minister of israel benjamin nntetanyahu said to jews in frabsnce, we are your ref few. >> the prime minister of france has said there is no france without jews. >> the four jewish men killed at the kosher superintendent have been invited -- their families have been invited to bury them in the state of israel the jewish state. it's been inspiring, christiane and i have been here for hours. it's been inspiring to see the
crowd goes from dozens to thousands. i am a jew, the name of the muslim police officer who was killed on wednesday. the names of all 17 innocent victims killed by the barbaric terrorists on wednesday, thursday and friday in this town. the worst terrorist attack here in a generation. >> and it is extraordinary because this unity rally was called and hours and hours before the official start people were already here jam packing this square. the place de la republic. in the middle of three statues of mythical women. that is what this country and the world is standing together to defend. people are saying we will not surrender. people are saying not afraid. and as jake mentioned, it's not
just french flags being waved. it's turkish flaygs norwegian flags. >> the state flag of california for people waking up in california right now and watching this coverage. you are represented. somebody here waving the california flag. liberty, equality fraternity. we're seeing a wonderful demonstration of that. it has been raining, it has been cold it has been windy, and not one person has left. they keep coming and coming. they will parch from here place de la republic all the way north to place de la national. >> incredibly that is where all those world leaders are going but they're not going to be making speeches. >> that's incredible. just demonstrating solidarity,
not looking for really for any attention. i was amazed to hear that that the leadings aren't speaking including francois hollande who can stand a political boost. just standing there being there, showing support. that's enough. >> linking arms and now we're going to go to fred pleitgen who is inside this crowd and has been talking to a lot of the people who have come here throughout the day. fred what are people saying to you now? >> reporter: well right now, first of all, i think that the words that you used that this is a human tidal wave is absolutely correct. if you look around i'm absolutely surrounded people on place de la republique. it can't move forward. this march can't move forward towards the because it's so many people and so jam packed. of course people here are chanting for freedom of the press.
they're saying that we're not afraid and many of them of course grasped the moment and how important it is for them to come here. i have one gentleman right here. good to meet you, sir. you're from paris? >> i was born in -- i am half french half indian. >> why was it so important to come out here? >> it's important that everyone is here today, all the races, all the religious and everything. it's a big unity and for me personally i lived 20 years in china. i felt really the oppression of not having freedom. i really felt it in my day-to-day life here. today we're all fighting for this for our freedom and it's very very important. we're ready to go all the way for this. >> how important is it that you have members of all communities here the jewish community, the muslim community, the christian community because there is somewhat friction here at this point, isn't there? >> i think it's fundamental. france is a die verse country,
and every day we are having more people taking power like in the ministries that are arab origin and different origins so, you know we must all stand together. otherwise, you know, it's going to be terrible. >> how badly did the events that happened over the past three days shake this nation and how many questions, what kind of questions did it raise? >> everyone is shaken but i think the most important thing is that it reminds us what are the fundamental values that bring us together and it's really this liberty -- just look around and you will see everyone is together on this. >> and i think that's very important, what you're seeing here. you're seeing french civil society come out and say that they want to be together they want to be united rather than be divided. you were talking about the fact that none of these world leaders who are coming here and also the french president have not spoken
or will not speak at this rally. that's something that's very important is that the message that's being sent today is not coming from political leaders. it's one coming from society. one coming from the people who are saying that in response to all of this to all the horrible events that the tragic events that have been happening, their answer to all of that is not going to be division. it's going to be unity and, of course, i can't say it often enough, the important thing is you have members of all the communities here in france together. i have seen members of the jewish community, the muslim community coming together to show their unity and also to fight for things like freedom of the press, freedom of spech. i think that's a very important message that's being sent today. >> frederik pleitgen, thank you so much. i want to show a sign that's being held by some of the people behind us. my french is not as good as christiane's but i believe it's referring to kobani the town in syria that's been under siege from the terrorists of isis
saying basically kobani charlie, same war. this is the same war against islamic extremism. one of the themes we're hearing, seeing a lot of different signs, a lot in favor of the pluralistic but secular society of france. naming all the victims and people taking a stand against islamic extremism which obviously reared its head in an ugly and vicious way last week in paris, france. >> importantly to be reminded at this moment about syria because this wars the nightmare of american european all sorts of security and law enforcement officials and governments, that this terrible vacuum that's been left this, terrible rise of isis in syria would cause this violent blowback in our own countries and that is what we're seeing. >> in fact one of the terrorists amedy coulibaly, a
video was released he was killed by french police after killing four innocent frenchman in that kosher supermarket but it was a video of him expressing allegiance to the head of isis al baghdadi and saying -- in the video describing him as a soldier of the caliphate, the islamic extremist group seeking to seize huge swaths of territory. >> i think what's so interesting about the fact it was released today, it's not an accident. isis has shown a remarkable sophistication using the power of the image, and yet the images that they try to send out on that will no way counter this mass, mass image that we're seeing right now. >> that's a great point. look at this. look at these world leaders arm in arm. you have mahmoud abbas and benjamin netanyahu in the same
line of people and what is the isis video? some idiot with a gun standing in some pathetic apartment by himself. he did so the incredibly vicious people but that image can't compete with what the people of france indeed the people of the world are communicating "todaytoday". >> this march is about unitity. it's about trying to get all aspects of french society aboard. the nicolas sarkozy, the conservative opponent of francois holland. marie le pen. far right groups have flourished and are doing very very well. even though this has been a unity rally, marine lepen was not specifically invited. she was told she could come if
she wants. she is not here. she and her national fund colleagues are marching in other parts of france they say, but this is also a very very sensitive moment in french domestic poll ticks. in germany they have been having weekly anti-islamic demonstrations demonstrations. >> one other symbol is i think appropriate. i was discussing this with a leader of the jewish community here earlier today. two of the heroes of the supermarket attack one of the jewish men who was killed who had tried to wrestle away the gun, he is a hero. also the young muslim employee from mali who tried to rescue people and successful hid 15 of them. i want to go to hala golani at the end of the route. what are you seeing there? >> well it's an extremely dense crowd, jake and christiane. this is the end point as i was saying minutes ago, but it looks
very much like it's in full swing. if you're going to get any more people than this i don't know how we're going to be able to absorb everybody because it is really just cheek to cheek for people pretty much. i'm seeing all sorts of signs. i'm seeing all sortsds of flags. there are three lebanese flags floating in the crowd. but then there are extremely touching signs of people essentially using that #je suis charlie to say all sorts of things to send all sorts of unifying messages. i am jewish. i am muslim. i am charlie. we are france. that's one of the ones i am able to read from here. i'm going to let our viewers listen in but people are breaking out in spontaneous applause. why are you applauding? because? okay. so it's a way of just
essentially showing respect, showing respect for the victims of the attacks, but also as a way to say after the minute of silence this is how we acknowledge that we are not just going through a moment of reflection but a moment of defiance. to show all of those who want to trample over the values of the republic of france that we are still very much defiance. this is the scene here from the place de la national. just moments ago jake and christian, christian christiane there was a spontaneous rendition of the national anthem and applause after that. that's the scene why where we are. back to you guys. >> we have also had spontaneous renditions of the national anthem and people clapping. i'm about to fall off the box. and actually there was a huge applause when it looked like the crowd here could start marching.
there's obviously so many people on the march route that this lot have not really been able to start marching out towards where you are. but i'm actually going to just turn around and ask this lady -- to borrow her newspaper. on the front of this iconic french newspaper is says je suis charlie. they have given its offices to the remaining staff members of charlie magazine to put out their next wednesday edition in about three or four days from now. this edition will some out. there are very few people left shtionz as as ceci these world leaders continuing their slow progress to the place de la national. they will put out 1 million copies of this magazine and they're hard at work at it. their own quarterbacks were destroyed obviously. they're going to liberation. le monde has offered computers.
other parts of the french government has offered money. a rallying together of the french journalistic establishment as well to make sure that the show goes on. >> they're talking about printing up to a million copies of charlie hebdo on wednesday. obviously that is not their normal circulation. i was speaking with a contractor to charlie hebdo, a former contributor, yesterday outside the offices, and she brought with her a copy of the 2006 edition which was very controversial and prompted a lot of protections and there's a lot been said about the offensive and outrageous cartoons of charlie hebdo. i will not dispute many of them were but this was supposedly a picture of muhammad the cover, covering his face saying like -- cursing the fact that so many of his followers were for want of a better word on international television jerks. it wasn't a cooreartoon mocking
islam as much as it was a cartoon of god saying why are so many of my followers extremists? >> so charlie hebdo has followed a very long and venerable french tradition of mocking everything, all authority, all religions, all politicians, all celebrities. i spoke to one of the cartoonists and he's here at the march, he was greeted by president hollande and he said to me our aim was never to insult. it's so poke fun of. it's so continue our tradition of poking fun of the absurd extremes of the environment in which we find ourselves. and i think that's really really important. and poor stephane charbonnier, he said my pen doesn't kill anybody, my drawings don't hurt anybody. only those who want to be shocked will be shocked.
the people that react violently, they are the ones who are the evil and who are, you know, the extremists in this situation. we want to go back to fred flight again who is pleitgen who is in the middle of the crowd. >> reporter: the crowd keeps growing bigger and bigger. right now there is some movement because people are able to go into the direction of the place de la national but it is very full. there are people with various signs. they're clapping and yelling charlie, charlie i think they are. i have someone with me. >> i'm pierre. nice to meet you. >> you are from paris. >> i am from paris and i'm here to show i care about freedom of speech and all the liberties i think that have been hurt the last two days in paris. >> how big -- i wouldn't say how big an issue, but how bad has the last couple days been for the unity in this nation? because there's a reason why so many people are coming out and saying now we have to demonstrate. >> you can see that everybody has been touched by this.
people from all skin colors religion countries. everybody is gathering here to show that everybody care about this. this is not a simple issue. it's very important for us. >> i want to talk about what sort of thinking has been set in motion because do you believe that in the run-up to this maybe the silent majority in frarnsnce, the majority of people were maybe a little too silent. they took a lot of things for granted. you had the rise of the political right and on the other hand i won't say -- obviously we know it's only a tiny fraction of muslims who are radical but they seem to be the ones defining the debate. do you think france has been too silent recently? >> i think that we are used to this freedom of speech for a long time now and maybe we didn't care too much about it and to see all these people here it's the country. we know people -- they don't agree with the silence anymore and people want to speak out
loud. i can say that i want to talk about the majority of muslim people in this country that are absolutely not what we see in the news or maybe what we see in some media or what -- >> not this media. >> not this media, of course and what the far right party in france are saying and i do believe that the majority of muslim in this country are here and support all this movement and all this protest. >> reporter: in the aftermath how do you feel about the reaction of your nation? it has been quite remarkable that the debate now is being shaped by people who want reconciliation and not people who want division. >> exactly. the word today is fraternity. i really want to emphasize on national tv yeah that's what i want to say. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> have a good day. i hope the march manages to go in the right direction, christiane. as you can see a very positive vibe coming here from this protest, from this march that's going on.
people who want to learn from this experience people who want to draw the right conclusions. people who want france to move in the right direction after all of this, who don't want further divisions, who don't want the fringe parties, who don't want those in the radical fringes to be the ones shaping this debate. to be the ones leading the political debate that happens afterwards. this is really civil society coming out and i think you used that word correctly. it's a tidal wave of humanity moving through the streets of paris right now obviously in these very very important places, christiane. >> fred, thank you. we understand francois hollande has left the march now at the place de la national. there were some reports he might go to the hyper cacher market. we don't know for sure. and also reports prime minister benjamin netanyahu would go there as well. >> very intense security. a lot of worries. a lot of concerns anytime you
have this many people and this many world leaders, especially controversial world leaders. the head of the palestinian authority, the prime minister of israel leaders from jordan russia turkey. there are a lot of security concerns and the french law enforcement authorities have certainly beefed up all of their security. we're told about snipers, plainclothesmen, detectives. we'll take a quick break. when we come back we'll tell you the latest about developments overnight into the terrorist attacks, what was behind them and who they were working with when we come back after the break. eeeeeeeeee financial noise financial noise financial noise
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so welcome back to our special coverage of standing with france. i'm christiane amanpour along with jake tapper here in paris for this unity rally. we welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. >> we're standing here at the place de la republique where the unity rally began. christiane and i have been here for hours. the crowd has gone from dozens to hundreds to thousands, to tens of thousands. maybe up to a million people are here. people are enthusiastic. it's been rainy, cold windy, and yes its not dissuaded any of them. people with lots of different messages. people saying kobani the fight in syria. a muslim gentleman holding a sign saying not in my name. people standing together saying defiantly to the terrorists you're not defeating us. >> and flags from everywhere not just the french tricolor. and remember especially for our viewers in the united states
france is america's oldest ally as president obama said when he gave his condolences and condemned the attack here that happened on wednesday. and we say that because the values that this nation has given to all of us the values of freedom, of democracy, of free speech and that value, the freedom to speak was so viciously assaulted, so for many of our colleagues here jake this is personal today. >> yeah. >> this is personal what happened three or four days ago, and this is a sense that it's a story unlike any other that we've been covering. >> and there was a father and son holding a sign saying i disagree with what you say but i will defend to the death your right to say it. i believe that's voltaire but i'm not entirely certainly. saying if you disagree with the cartoons, even if you find them offensive, they have the right to say them and the reaction -- appropriate reaction is not terrorism. i want to bring you up to speed
with some news breaking this morning, christiane and viewers in the united states and around the world. rtl radio, french radio, is reporting that they have discovered an apartment that was rented by amedy coulibaly of who was killed after killing hostages and the stash included automatic weapons, detonators cash the flag of isis. we saw that video he released earlier today or someone released on his behalf earlier today in which he's pledging allegiance declaring himself a soldier of the caliphate, to isis, to al bagdhdadi. they are testing to see if they can find any forensic evidence that hyatt booumeddieneboumeddiene, whether she was at the apartment anytime recently. >> that was such a confusing
thing on friday. everybody thought there were four people involved the two coo oveny brothers this man and this woman at the kosher market. i spoke to a criminalologist who believes it is amedy coulibaly who was the leader. let's go a philosopher, a writer a public intellectual. we spoke to you wednesday after this terrible attack on our colleagues. how does today strike you as a response? >> i would say that today france is back. the west is back. democracy is back. this day is a day of historical defeat for all those who attacked the democracy and who
want to kill liberal values. it's a historical defeat for them. paris today is because of a terrible tragedy, the center the capital of the freedom. all chiefs of state, like united nations, gathering in a demonstration. even people who are not expected to be here like the emir the qatar, they all want to say anything today even if it is contrary to what they believed before and even opposed to what they acted. they want to say stop to terror. for this the day today is a historical day. it's a huge moment. >> and mr. levy obviously it is
significant so many world leaders are here but when you consider the attack when you consider the cartoons of charlie hebdo, it seems extremely important and moving that you have the leaders of the palestinian territory, the leaders of turkey the leaders of jordan here all standing saying not in my name. you don't represent me. you don't represent islam. >> we were expecting this moment since so long. we were expecting -- i was expecting and a lot of people were expecting president mahmoud ababbas saying strong words, not in my name. i may have some political targets, i may have a political agenda but not assassination. not murder of civilians. not fascism. so this is a great day, and to see the same demonstration
netanyahu and mahmoud abbas, to see people of the west and of the nonwest together marching to say no to fascism, this is an unexpected event and it's a great day. it will not be the same after and before. for france it's very important. this is like a self-esteem which is coming back self-esteem of france by france itself. for the world, it's also a great gesture. you know i heard the other day state secretary john kerry expressing in french support to french kor toonists. saying je suis charlie. do you know when an american president made a speech in france for the last time? the last time an american president did it?
it is president roosevelt, november 8th 1942 on the radio of general de gaulle in london. president roosevelt making a speech in french making a statement in french. some things says a lot of the moment we are living. >> indeed so many people told us how touched they were that secretary of state kerry made that very lengthy and passionate statement of support and solidarity in french. bernard, what do you think is going to happen to the already frightened jewish community here in france? >> there was two events which
are completely related. we know the killer of these jewish shop were coordinated. we know it was a program. it was a coordinated program killing. heroes of freedom of speech and killing average people having committed the only crime of being a jew. you have here the two targets related. heroes of freedom of speech brave guy, courageous heroes on one side. and people just guilty to be born. i remember after second world war there was a great discussion in europe and in america about the difference of situation of those who died like as heroes with weapon in their hands and those who died just because they
were jews and there was a discussion asking wondering which was the most terrible? and people the great people said it was the same. it was two ways of dying under fascism. today we are facing the same situation. average jews mr. braham mr. cohen, mr. hattab mr. saada, jews killed just because they were killed. and heroes like woe lynnski and charb killed because they were killed because they were war reporters. they died in a way -- >> sir, i just want to get your reaction to some breaking news.
it's been announced the french president francois hollande will be going to paris' grand sin synagogue with benjamin netanyahu. it did not hold sabbath services for friday night for the first time since world war ii since the haulolocaust, since this continent was emblazoned with a war. obviously a very symbolically sad moment on friday. now we have this moment where netanyahu and hollande who have clearly butted heads before on political issues coming to the grand synagogue together. i'm wondering what your reaction is that to that news. >> congratulations to president hollande. congratulations to prime minister netanyahu because this moment is beyond all political division all rules, even all
ritual rules. the fact is that in paris we had the two crimes. crimes against charlie, crimes against jews. there has been a huge movement of solidarity with charlie. je suis charlie was the most widespread hash tag since maybe the beginning of twitter. i would like i hope and i know that president hollande feels like me that i am a charlie jew. this should be a hash tag as popular as the hash tag about charlie. we have the two twin targets of this unique fascism, islamic fascism. so it's great. this going to synagogue is the great gesture and again, a great symbol. it is a day today of a
succession of symbols, an accumulation of symbols. this is one more. >> all right. mer he's right. the assault on the kosher supermarket and on the satirical newspaper, it's a double pronged assault. >> precisely. that's why all the political leaders are saying and we said over and over again, we are charlie, we are the police we are jews we are all french today. it's very very profound and when you see that amedy coulabaly saying the coo oveny brothers were going to take out the journalists and i was going to do the police and the jews. and he talks the symbolism of
the secretary of state talking french and the last time was president roosevelt, you know i just go back to hearing the bells of notre dame this week. they told at the end of the world war i, at the end of the world war ii at the end to remember 9/11 and to remember the victims this last week. only the four times they've tolled for minutes on end, and it's very very profound. >> it is profound. let's go now to cnn's anchor fareed zakaria. fareed you're watching the images. you're hearing of the incredible outpouring of emotion, people maybe a million people on the streets of paris, france today holding up signs jesuis charlie. on one side it says we are charlie. on the other side it lists all of the victims, all of the innocent people who have been
killed in the last week by terrorists. really quite an amazing display, an amazing show of solidarity by the french people. >> you know jake what strikes me is that in some sense this is france's 9/11. this has been the way that france has responded to really the most brutal terror attack very similar in a sense to what happened in 9/11. obviously the number is very different but the symbolism and the idea this could come from within makes it particularly horrific. but notice the response. the response here has been a much more unifying response, and perhaps a little bit less, you know of shock and fear and anger, less of a sense of about getting ready to wage war and more really one of unity. what was the most striking and
clirs ian christiane and you have mentioned it you have had so many leaders of muslim. the prime minister of turkey one of the most important muslim countries in the world. the head of the government in mali mali. the head of the palestinian authority, of course. the idea all these people would come out. this is finally perhaps, jake the moment at which moderate muslims are, in fact condemning these acts of islamic extremism, are beginning to recognize that this is an issue on which they cannot stay silent that they have to make clear publicly on television not in quiet statements issued perhaps under the pressure of the american state department that they have to be part of this as well. this may be let's hope the turning point where you are beginning to see moderate muslims and the leaders of muslim nations come out and say not in my name. that's what's different about
this from frankly all the other terror attacks that have taken place in the last decade. >> the streets here are filled with people identify fiing as muslims holding signs condemning the actions of the terrorists. there was a gentleman right near us not in my name his sign says as a muslim. a proud muslim standing here walking down the streets of paris. i do want to ask you, fareed christiane made i thought a brilliant point not long ago which is the pictures of coulibaly, the terrorist killed on friday after killing four innocent people at the kosher supermarket, images of him professing his support, his allegiance to al baghdadi, to isis. those images are nothing, they are rather pathetic compared to the images that his evil actions
prompted. the images of this million-plus people in the streets of france walking hand in hand. jew, christian, muslim secularist. the leaders of various nations arm in arm. hollande and merkel arm in arm. a line of people with netanyahu and abbas in the same line. those images so much more strong than the pathetic terrorism that we've seen of these thugs, these terrorists from last week. >> do you know it makes one recognize, jake that the forces of civilization the forces of integration, the forces of democracy and liberalism are so much bigger vaster and more powerful than the forces of these small bands of pathetic extremists who have mostly by the way killed muslims in their rampages over the middle east and elsewhere. we sometimes forget this because
i think democrats and liberals i mean liberals with a small "l," and people who believe in the values of universal values and particularly western values tend to be somewhat quiet. they're not noisy. they're not, you know, obstreperous in quite the same way, but when pushed they have come together in this magnificent way in this magnificent city a city that is, you know riddled with symbols of liberty and democracy and i think about the place de la republique. it's a place that's given the world so many of these values and for it to all be happening here symbolically reminds us of the incredible strength and power of the forces of civilization. it makes you realize as long as we believe in ourselves, it seems very unlikely that these small band of extremists will be able to defeat us.
>> and, in fact let me just hold up the sign here we were talking about this earlier. it says kobani charlie -- it's basically saying kobani which is -- that's the town in syria besieged by isis charlie, "charlie hebdo," same war. this man, a moderate muslim saying these people do not represent me. >> exactly. and actually very important to pause and remember the geostrategic mess that we live in and that this attack came in. the very fact that syria has been allowed to fester in the way that it has, that hundreds of thousands of people are being killed that millions of poor syrians are refugees. that does radicalize and galvanize people. some in charitable ways and some in very violent and vicious ways. >> indeed. fareed fareed zakaria, thank you so much. christiane and i will take a very quick break.
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welcome back to paris and this massive march with hundreds of thousands, if not millions of french people expected here and have already gathered to say no to the kind of vicious attack we saw here on wednesday and on thursday and on friday. and obviously the world leaders who have been marching but also in the marches are the relatives, the families the wives, the parents, the children the husbands of those ""charlie hebdo"" cartoonists who were killed on wednesday, jake. >> it really has been an incredible display of solidarity of sympathy of compassion. this is in case anybody was wondering what language it is it's a language from congo. one of the many languages being employed to say in solidarity with these victims of the terrorist attack at """charlie hebdo""
hebdo"". one of the things that's important in moments like this for -- especially for critics of islam is where are the moderate muslims. we hear that all the time. let's go to frederik pleitgen out mr. in the crowdthere in the crowd. i believe he's with an imam that's out there demonstrating saying this is not in our name. we are charlie. fred? >> reporter: it's important for the muslim community to show their support. what is your name? >> i am armenia. >> i see you have also the sign that says je suis jewish. >> it is important because jews
and muslim shouldn't be enemyies and they refuse to be enemies even if all -- they are not allowed with the fact that they kill him. it was not something that religion asks us to do. so it's very important today to hear that it is not great what they did and we are -- we disagree with that fact. that is what's important. >> there are many muslims who came out? >> i have with me the imam. he came to prove again that there weren't a muslim force. it was not a muslim act. >> i know you don't speak very much english. but you have a short message in english. >> in english i say islam is the peace. islam is the love. terrorism is -- >> a disgrace -- >> he said terrorism disgraces our religion. you want a message of peace
today, is that correct? >> i want to say we must do -- >> he wants us to live together and without any problem, without any war between us. that's what he wants to say. >> what was your feeling when you heard of what happened here? when you heard of these radical islamists who did this? >> i was ashamed. i was ashamed because here in france that is very very very difficult to live when you are muslim in france because they always think we are terrorists and when i heard that again muslims killed people because they were not okay with what they say, i was totally ashamed. i was ashamed and i was totally sad for them. i cried when i heard that a lot of people have been killed. i'm not okay with that fact even if i'm muslim. they are not muslim for us again. >> thank you. so you're muslim as well? what is your named?
>> i am mohammedh abib. >> our religion is the religion of love. our religion is the religion of pardon. our religion is the religion of comprehension. our religion is the religion of love each other. our religion love jews. our religion love muslims. our religion love christians. our religion the greatest prophet that we love in our religion. the son of mary. we recognize the holiness of jesus christ. that is what our religion is about. so the terrorists we are not terrorists. they have to understand and know that the muslim religion is religion of comprehension, of knowing each other, of loving each other. this is my message today. >> there's one question we need to ask. because there are some people from the muslim community who do get radicalized. it does happen -- >> pardon?
>> there are some people who the muslim community who get radicalized, only a very few. why do you think that happens? and what can be done about it? >> the promise there -- there is not education about it. they have to make education about not only muslim, who is muslim what is the meaning of muslim. muslim means a submission -- this is the meaning of muslim. islamic religion means the islam. people that believe on islamic religion. muslim does not mean islam. islam means the submission to a great man who is the only creator. so this is what is all about muslim. we are all muslim so this is why we should not make -- on this religion. people have to make -- we have to have --
>> education. of education. what do you think? .kouachi brothers the guys who did this they're our age, in their early 30s. why do you think people who are french who live in this saturday would become radicalized and do something like that? >> honestly i couldn't explain it. i just know that sometimes some young teenagers as we can see, as you said they were very young, become repressed and closed into their own and after that it becomes very very dangerous, but i do not know why they do that. actually looking for the answer the exact answer i couldn't answer it today for you guys. >> it's great you folks came out here. if we pan across we can see there's many people who came out here from the muslim community and it's something we've been saying again and again is that it's people of all faiths who are coming out here who are denouncing the act that is happened and who are participating in this march where we've been saying it again
and again, it's one where the theme is unity and certainly unity is something that these people are showing right now. >> that's a very very moving, fredric fredric thank you so much. we see these terrorist attacks happening in australia and canada, here in france but talk about combatting the image of the terrorist standing in a room pledging his allegiance to isis. a young woman, french muslim holding a sign saying i am a jew. >> i don't think i have ever seen that before. >> that is a really stunning and moving and wonderful thing to see. >> it actually really is. and i think that we also have to say, of course jews -- remember muslims will come out and say not in my name. what has to be addressed is for some reason radical islam is the vehicle for this rage that
certain muslims feel towards the world, and they're using their religion. so you can say not in my name for as much and as long and as loudly as possible. it is being used for that reason. and that's going to be something very very important to combat. >> and i know that you know this and have covered this but it was on january 1st of this year that president sisi of egypt called the clerics of egypt and said that radical islam needs to be expunged from the religion. so it is not just these wonderful young muslims in the streets of paris. it is already the leader of one of the most important arab and muslim countries in the world, general sisi saying this is a problem, something needs to happen. >> indeed. let's go now for more on "charlie hebdo" to natalie, the normer editor of le monde and is a columnist and writer for "the
guardian" newspaper. natalie, tell us how and why so many of the french journalistic establishment are really going to be helping "charlie hebdo" put out its next edition. >> yes, there is very strong mobilization to basically try to save "charlie hebdo" to make sure that next week when it is due out it will continue to exist, it will continue to produce incredible cartoons and incredibly thought-provoking comment. so there is money that has been collect eded among french media but also in europe. "the guardian" has provided a lot of money. different organizations are backing up "charlie hebdo." it is seen as a symbol that the free speech that charlie heb"charlie hebdo" represented must survive so this traumatic aggression does not end up reaching its goal. >> natalie, it's jake tapper
here. i wonder if you could -- i know you didn't make the decision for the headline but there was a banner headline in "le monde" on friday meaning this is france's september 11th. obviously 17 innocent victims numerically can't compare with the almost 3,000 americans killed on september 11th but it is a moment that feels very much like a demarcation here in france where things are different now than they were on january 6th the day before these terrorist attacks. explain for our viewers in the united states and around the world if you would, why, why this feels like the september 11th of france. >> this is -- this certainly is -- you cannot underestimate -- exaggerate sorry, the shock that these events have represented for french people. there's a reason why people are coming out, have come out with
their children today. i know many people who have come out with their children because they feel it is important to make this a moment that their children will remember throughout their lives. there were three targets during these attacks. first target were people who were basically making use of the freedom to express themselves and also the freedom to do blasphemy and make fun of religion and this is a very important thing in french historical context. blasphemy stopped being a crime in france at the time of the french revolution. this has very deep roots. the second target were policemen, people whose job it is to uphold the law and the rule of law. they were killed just for being policemen. and the third target are jewish citizens on french territory who were killed because they are jewish and i think it is the triple scandal of these crimes that has brought people out in a very strong way.
it is also earth shattering because this is a country that up until this event was actually a pretty fragmented country. france has huge social economic political tensions and people have come together in a moment of reckoning that these tensions and these problems that exist in french society, unemployment integration of the immigrant population how to deal with islam and the cohabitation between islam and other religion in this secular republic all these tensions that were brewing up for years now are leading, i hope to a mobilization and to searching for ways of solving the deep-rooted problems that exist in france. >> natalie, the former editor in chief of "le monde" newspaper in france. thank you so much. it is the top of the hour 11:00