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als of four jewish men killed in paris. the bodies layed wrapped as prime minister netanyahu spoke. francois hollande paid respects to those murdered. awarded france's legion honor. dvr outfront to watch anytime. anderson begins now. good evening, thanks for joining us. new video revealing what parisians were up and the two gunmen who stormed charlie hebdo last week. we show you all of it and then break it down moment by moment. what you see took place after they stormed the offices of charlie hebdo killing those inside. 12 people would be dead and said and cherif kouachi would take off. take a look.
>> so that's the video we see. a minute and 42 seconds in its entirety. that video may speak volumes about the kind of training the brothers have had. the next video, sadly iconic says something about their cruelty. we believe it happened moments after the footage we saw and a few steps away from where you see the police car back up. wounded ai mad mair bet, a french muslim and killing him with another shot. a police officer and two other
officers killed during the initial attack and the manhunt that followed. all pos every frame of the video we've been seeing joining us to break it down for us jim sciutto in paris and also phillip mud, a former fbi and cia official and global affairs analyst, retired lieutenant colonel james reese. jim sciutto let's begin with you. this video underscores how methodical they were from getting away from charlie hebdo. you lack at this video right now. considering they've massacred people inside he's now standing on the street yelling out to any onlookers. i mean they seem relatively calm and organized. >> extremely calm and in control. they didn't feel under threat. that's what struck me under this. they have the time to stop to reload for one brother to help
the other brother with a jam in his caalish rifle. and the police backing up as well. this is broad daylight on the paris streets and remember following this they were on the loose for another 48 hours afterwards. i think it just highlights the comfort level they had, their training but also the difficulty that french security forces had in responding to this despite the fact that it took place right in the center the capital of their country in the middle of the day. >> and jim when he holds his finger it's often a symbol of one god, saying we've avenged the prophet mohammed correct? >> that's exactly right. that finger in the air is one that we've seen from a lot of jihadis and with multiple groups, whether isis aqap others with a kind of proud sign of their allegiance to
these groups. not one group in particular but saying there is one god and of course shouting out live we've avenged the prophet mohammed for the carnage they've carried out in charlie hebdo. >> phil mudd as a former intelligence guide and guy, what stands out to you when you see this video? >> one word anderson. contrast. i've sat with a threat matrix and you'd see informal clusters of guys almost never women. they might not have access to money or get cash from an operation. had such a limited access to weapons that they'd go after an fbi informant to acquire a weapon. they might take tourist shots for the potential lethal but very unprofessional. this is not a professional operation in paris. let's be clear about this. but the contrast in terms of even limited training that they
might have had, the coolness in which they escaped, the fact that they were in black outfits to try to match themselves even the care with which they selected the target anderson. this wasn't a target that failed to resonate in their circles. it's clearly a target that had satirized the prophet mohammed not a target for example, like the boston marathon that might not resonate across the middle east. every step of the way was what i saw to informal operations i saw planned in the united states. >> it's interesting. you said this is not a professional operation. explain that. because they do seem relatively calm. obviously o, we don't know what's going on in their hearts and heads in terms of adrenaline and how pumped up they are, but they're not running into the vehicle. they're walking. he's making pronouncements. he takes time to help his brother with the rifle. >> sure. well let me give you a couple of examples. looking at high end professional
with the bin laden raid and how carefully executed that was. you remember the identity card at one point, losing that was a mistake but a large weapons cashier. all the training, all the time they spent preparing the operation, if they had better prepared their escape you would think they could use the cash for serious of operations that would have been tragic over time to magnify the impact. i think these are people a step above 0i90% of what i witness but not close to the professionalism from u.s. trained law enforcement or military officer. >> absolutely makes sense. colonel reese, you think the video shows one of the brother seems better trained than the other. is that because one brother goes to the other for help with his rifle? >> yeah anderson. it does. the driver looks like the one who has the most training and what's taken from me is they had sustainability and had some
trainability. the younger brother, i think, comes around the end of the car there. he has a jam that jim sciutto talked about. he doesn't know how to clear it because i think they just left the magazine where they shot all the rounds and killed all those innocent people. so now he needs it the brother you can see, the driver is a little frustrated with him and pushes his arm away. grabs the other magazine grabbed the wrong magazine. clears the rifle for him. reloads for him and literally said, hey, let's go get back in the fight here but what it shows me is the trainability these guys have. but here's the other thing. you don't just go to yemen for 30 days to learn weapon handling skills and the ability to acquire a target. there's been some sustainability of this training over the years. that would be interesting to find out where they got it and continue to do it in france. >> i saw a video with a windshield that shot up and the grouping relatively close together. i don't know how close when they were firing that but it seems as
though they had some taking some target practice to be able to group shots like that close together. colonel, the fact they had a getaway plan or desire to get away this was not a death operation. a suicide attack. clearly, they wanted to remain operational. they wanted to do more. they wanted to survive this initial attack. >> yeah anderson. i'm a little bit to the left with phil a little bit. i agree that, i yeenmean these guys aren't special operations forces but they had some ability and for me it's something we need to watch here as we continue to fight this global fight and again, it's the trainability and what these guys are looking for and what the recruiters are looking for in their foot soldiers and you're right. they did want to get away. they were mistakes made and i can tell you from my own experience we have had guys leave personal effects on targets before. it just happens in the heat of
battle and that's the frustrations of battle and what happens out there. >> phil how much does it surprise you that i mean, i get why they want to get away to remain operational but based on other people you've followed other operations you have seen often, we see this being a one-way operation, a dead end operation where it ends with the suicide attack. it clearly, they had other plans. >> i think they did but let's be clear here. my guess, it's only a guess, they could have escaped the scene but i question whether they would ever be caught. my question is they thought they would go down fighting. the thing, one other thing that surprised me is in addition to the operation itself when i watch people go into these situations the emotions are so high. after the initial event that they are going out of the event not knowing what to do. these guys were not only able to control the event but their
emotions. after something they planned for for years to get out of it but when they get out of it they anticipate the next days they're eventually going to die. >> phil mudd i appreciate you being on. reese and jim sciutto. i want to talk about the woman who got away. we're learning who that guy is as always a reminder set your dvr to watch "ac360" whenever you want. john boehner and what authorities say was a plot to poison his drink. details on that coming up tonight.
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we began the program with video that answers questions that confirms early suspicions about the level of training the kouachi brothers had. other video raised questions. this for example. who is this man on the left traveling with suspected accomplice hayat boumeddiene? tonight, we may have the answer. jim sciutto back with what he's been learning about that. jim, we now know the identity of the guy. what do we know about him? >> reporter: that's right, his name medi bell hussein. not an enormous known, but he was tied to afghanistani terror
cell. adding to some ties to the attack not known if there was an operational tie to the attack but he's seen there, in effect helping to get one of those involved out of the country and on the way to syria but he like so many others with suspected ties to this remains on the run. >> and what do we know about the man who's now been detained in bulgaria? >> reporter: so this is another one of those connections. we know his name. fritz jolie joaquin. he was in contact a number of times with the kouachi brothers. so that's his tie. in addition to that, he was going through bul area ya ongaria to turkey. there's two reasons but they don't have hard ties to this terror cell or to being involved in planning this attack. when you look at all these
characters as the police started to figure out if there were other members of this cell you have these punitive connections but you don't have definitive connections at this point. the police doing their best to piece it together. but at this point, really they just know they're more interested in him because they don't know the connection to the plot. >> sit clear how many people may be a part of this particular cell? >> reporter: no it's not clear. you've heard numbers around half a dozen but those could be suspected ties as opposed to operational members of it. i think that what we're seeing there is the police honestly don't know. they're chasing down every lead but this is one other worryisome thing. there's so many terror operations tied to this. the yemen brothers with kouachi brothers al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. the kosher market attacker talking about his allegiance to isis. you have this man seen with
hayat boumeddiene at the airport tied to afghani terror cell. there's no hard lines necessarily between these groups their associations there, and that of course makes it much harder anderson to snuff these groups out. >> and even with the kosher supermarket attacker it's not clear if he was saying he was a supporter of isis or whether there was actually some connection to isis itself right? >> reporter: exactly. he certainly had ties to the kouachi brothers who had ties to aqap the only isis tie is what he said in effect his martyrdom video, at least after the attack. so not knowing that's an operational tie, but again, a lot of these folks leads back to syria as well. and that does again, raise the prospect not exclusively of isis but raises the possibility of an isis tie. >> jim sciutto, i appreciate it. new details on heightened
security at the airport, partly from the paris scare but also. more now from pamela brown. >> reporter: amid new fears of hard to detect bombs smuggled on to commercial flights, the u.s. is expanding random security checks of passengers in u.s. airports once they've already made it through airport security. second checks at the gate could include additional search and hand swabs for traces of explosives. >> one part is the potential threat to airplanes and the other part is threats to passengers queueing up in a security line and somebody trying to bring a bomb or rudimentary device along to blow people up in the security lines. >> reporter: partly a response to al qaeda in the arabian peninsula magazine "inspire"
laying out a recipe to concoct non-metallic bombs to household products. airport body scanners can normally catch these hard to detect explosives but the advanced technology is not available on smaller u.s. airports. >> aqap said even if this doesn't get through airport security enough fuss made about people attempting to do this it will spread terror in the west and their aims will be achieved. >> reporter: this move comes after enhanced security measures over the summer is that put passengers on u.s. bound flights through additional security such as turning on devices to prove they weren't hiding exploisives. following the latest terror attacks in paris and renewed efforts by isis to target u.s. government officials, d.h.s. is also stepping up security at federal buildings and more u.s. cities as u.s. law enforcement is being asked to stay on a heightened state of vigilance. >> pamela brown joining us now
from washington. let's talk about this heightened state of vigilance. officials you've been talking to today, what are they saying about potential threats of attacks in the u.s.? do they have anything specific? >> nothing specific i'm being told but there is a sense among law enforcement officials i've been speaking to this heightened concern for their own safety and the safety of those they're supposed to be protecting. i think the sense right now is that it's easier it's more plausible for someone influenced by current events or terrorist propaganda maybe an extremist on the cusp to actually act out. the census that the terror attack like in paris, more people will be emboldened to attack. that is compounded with isis aggressively using social media to get the message out. the threats from aqap al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. as a result of these issues anderson i'm being told law enforcement sources are scrutinizing certain cases in the u.s. that perhaps didn't get as much scrutiny before in all
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news. new video showing the aftermath of the deadly attack on charlie hebdo's offices. the gunmen getting to a car and then involved in a shootout with police that left 12 people dead and set off a massive manhunt for the terrorist. both of them now of course dead. the search continues for other potential suspects. a lot of new developments tonight. joining me now, cnn national security analyst peter bergen and in paris, brooking institution jonathan lawrence, emancipation of european muslims minority integration. peter, as we look at the video, before the break we talked about the symbol of holding up the one
finger. >> you see this in isis videos over time. it's the concept of the oneness of god. the idea shia islam is like you're part of the this ultra fundamentalist sbrerpation. it's from tao heed. the group became al qaeda in iraq. al qaeda in iraq became isis and al qaeda in syria. it's a way to say i'm part of these groups and making a point to identify with these groups. >> now you have this guy who was seen with the female suspect entering turkey. he's identified as being part of an afghan pakistan cell. what do you make of these connections? >> even the pakistan that came out of al qaeda and egyptian group, called islamic jihad. it's not the first time we've
seen this. 9/11 was the joint operation of these two groups. egyptian lebanese saw des. at the end of the day, if you were a victim doesn't make a difference whether al qaeda central and id logically, similar. tactic is the same. they share the same goals, really revenge against the west. >> bob, do you believe, i mean the kouachi brothers believe to have ties with al qaeda in yemen, allegiance to isis. do you believe that coulibaly, the guy who took over the supermarket and is expected in the killing of a french policewoman last thursday do you believe he actually had direct connections to isis or was that more he watched videos and kind of wanted to bolster himself by saying he was connected to isis? >> well anderson right now, we don't know. but i think he looks like he pretty much was self-recruited. he adopted his ideology off the
internet and is looking at the islamic state whose capital is in ra ka syria, as a success. they've been able to hold on to land for more than six months. they are, in his view the caliphate. when you hear him yelling in the supermarket, he's not particularly well versed in iz lap and he's not using arabic. in his simplified black and white world, swearing allegiance to the caliphate, the islamic state, is a natural step. i don't think any of these people were particularly well educated in islam. no quotes from the koran. they're ground soldiers and can switch from one to the next. >> we heard from others as well. they weren't particularly well versed in islam. the enthusiasm of a recent convert but not somebody who spoke arabic but hadn't done deep reading of the koran.
>> reporter: that's right. they met in the 19th in paris, about 12 years ago and came under the influence of a self-appointed imam a janitor at the time. he was recently discovered in a nursing course in paris after having already serving time for recruiting soldiers to go fight americans in iraq. so no formal training in islam and that's reflective of a general lack of imams in the country who have been trained in studies. and in french prisons as well quite a serious matter because they're only around 200 chaplain chaplains around 30,000 muslim prisoners. >> i want to move on to potential threats to the united states. we talked about the easily concealed bombs the dhs is concerned about. in terms of the threat they pose where do you stand on this? >> reporter: well if you look
at the inspire magazine, this recent article, you're probably not going to get much of a bang with these bombs. they would be low order explosives. probably could cause a fire on an airplane or get them through tsa security but to really learn how to bring down an airplane with household items, you have to practice and it is possible what you need is an oxidizer but you have to be able to detonate it know what you're doing and simply putting this out and telling inexperienced people to blow up airplanes, i don't see it happening. >> peter, with the role of inspire magazine how important has it become? >> inspirational. we've seen it in multiple cases and certainly the boston marathon they read inspire magazine but also other things on the internet. it was surprising they were able to blow up two bombs simultaneously. it's one thing to have one bomb and have it work but to have two? they had no training. they went over with militants
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last week in paris, we've been trying to bring you stories of the survivors as we learn new details. for the first time in his own words, a 27-year-old man is describing how he hid for more than eight hours inside that printing plant where the kouachi brothers made the last stand. it was a small sink two feet by three feet and less than two feet high. terrorists less than two feet away from the hiding spot and television interview, he described what that was like. >> at that moment did you say to yourself i'm done? >> yes, i thought he would look in all the furniture. if he's lacking for something, for food supplies. he went towards the fridge and came back towards the place where i was hiding and drank some water.
he was drinking just above me. i could hear the water flowing because i was next to the wash basin. i saw his shadow through the door opening. i moved a bit because it was back against the pipe. i felt the water flowing. a surreal moment complete surreal. i said to myself this is like a film. >> incredible. we have new details about the first person killed by the terrorist last week. frederick braso where charlie hebdo at his office. 42 years old, a husband and the father of two young sons. sunday's march in paris, friends and family carried signs em blazened with his name. his work partner jeremy guns was there and neither were in the terrorist storm. described what happened.
>> he was worried that blood smears would actually lead the terrorists to the hiding place. thankfully that did not happen. when the medics arrive, mr. braso was unconscious. the last words for wife and his sons. seven laid to rest in france and israel. the top of the police headquarters francois hollande plaid allegiance on those who were killed and hundreds of officers paid their respects.
>> these heroes are today called. i express my gratitude. my pride, thanks to you, with you, france is standing. long live the republic and long live france. >> thousands of miles away in jerusalem, funerals held as well for the four people murdered inside a kosher supermarket. benjamin netanyahu and others attended two cities mourn with graef and lives lost. >> up next a very different story. an alleged plot to poison house speaker john boehner, the accused bartender.
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he had a ba ret ta 83 handgun and found the gun and confiscated for safekeeping. >> he reached out to boehner's wife. is that true do we know? >> yeah. it's pretty clear he at least tried. hoyt said a lot of things. he's imagined and believes john boehner is the devil and that he meaning hoyt is jesus christ. apparently after being questioned from some of the stuff, he had no intention of doing the speaker harm often poured drinks for boehner. apparently actually wrote an e-mail to the wife of john boehner, debbie boehner and told her that if he wanted to he could have done something but he didn't. >> appreciate the update. more breaking news tonight. investigators successfully downloading data from the flight data recorder of airasia flight 8501. this comes as divers retrieve as you know the other black box, the cockpit voice recorder. both devices, key pieces of the investigation that could help explain what happened to the
plane. also tonight, an indonesian official say searchers may have located the fuselage of the plane and say those on board may still be found. 48 passengers recovered so far. more than a hundred remain missing. aviation correspondent rene marsh joining us with the breaking news. what happens now that they've been able to download the information from the recorder? >> reporter: well anderson downloading the data from the recorder that's the easy part. it's almost like plugging a usb into your computer. it can be done in about an hour. now investigators are analyzing that information. the data recorders, as we all know it contains hundreds of parameters thousands of data points. we're talking about speed, altitude and whether any of the systems on the plane failed. making sense of all of that data of course that will take a little bit more time. >> the voice recorder do we know what condition it's in? >> right now, indonesian investigators, they are examining it. we do know that. they are looking for damage and it appears it's in good
condition. of course the voice recorder has enough space, we do know, to record everything that was said every sound in the cockpit from takeoff until the point that the plane crashed. so it should also be a very quick download but what investigators will do next is listen closely frame by frame, identifying every sound that they hear from background noises to potential warning alarms going off and of course the conversation between the pilots. >> and the fact that they believe they've located the fuselage that would be a major development for this investigation and for the families of the passengers. >> reporter: absolutely. especially for the families. at this point, they haven't confirmed it but they do believe they have found it. however, officials also say that many of the bodies of the people on board the plane likely will be found inside. and so again, as you said, that would bring some closure to the families. as of now, a totally of 48
recovered. >> thank you. the latest on other stories. amara? >> 11,000 nigerians fled to chad after the latest attacks by boko haram militants, forcing children to detonate explosives strapped to their bodies in recent days. boko haram also stormed the down of baga murdering as many as 2,000 people according to witnesses. an illinois teenager accused of trying to support isis pleaded not guilty. 19-year-old mohammed azakan arrested at an airport in chicago. his mother denounced isis and last week's terror attacks in paris. >> we condemn this violence in the strongest possible terms. we condemn the groups like isis and the brainwashing of children
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unparallel. began in the o.j. simpson trial january 23rd 1995. over the next nine months, television covered the trial down to the smallest detail and people watched it constantly a human drama in retail like cato kaylin and moments that would become iconic. at 9:00 in a few minutes, cnn fills in the blanks. what jurors think now looking back 20 years and what you didn't know about the trial. johnny cochran's famous line wasn't really his line. a preview of the o.j. trial drama of the century hosted by kary phillips. >> if it doesn't fit, you must acquit acquit. >> two decades later, we learned that wasn't cochran's phrase after all. >> he didn't invent that. that was done by the dean of the santa clara law school jerry oman the most unknown person in the defense team. >> 20 years later, he's getting the proper credit. >> he deserves it. >> and after nine months after
testimony, hundreds of exhibits more than 260 days isolated in a hotel, jurors are finally sent to determine o.j. simpson's fate. it's two votes guilty. ten not guilty. >> you guys had been sequestered for nine months. were the marnlt of you working hard to get those two to get on board? >> no. it wasn't arguing or yelling or anything like that. we just came and took another vote and the other two came on board and they said not guilty. and it wasn't because they thought that he was innocent. the prosecution just didn't prove it. >> the jury find the defendant owen james simpson not guilty in violation of penal code 187.
>> they read it and we heard that and i just fell apart. >> when you think of the verdict now, what are your thoughts? >> i feel betrayed. i feel really let down. i feel confused. emotionally, i don't get why they chose to acquit him. logically, i get it. it was because it was a racial thing. and i'm sad. i'm sad that we as a country couldn't rise above -- >> above it. >> do you believe o.j. simpson is innocent? 20 years later? >> i found him innocent and i believe he's innocent. >> you still believe that? 20 years later? >> yep. >> with all your heart? >> all my heart. >> carie phillips joining us now. you covered this 20 years later to go back. you asked if he thought o.j. simpson -- >> i did because years ago, i'm like tell me what you really think. and he still would answer my
-- he kept saying the evidence was overwhelming. the prosecution blew the case. that's how he kept answering. >> he said the prosecution -- >> oh totally. there was so much evidence. it was all there. he went on record and thought o.j. was guilty and then aye signed to the defense team and didn't make comments after that. here's something interesting. his mother with whom he was close well into her 90s was so angry at him because she felt that he let a murderer walk free. she used to say, oi va o.j. and deny people at synagogue that she wasn't even related to him. >> are you serious? >> yes, for years. and said she really carries. >> you talked to jurors from 20 years ago and see the impact it's had on their life it's fascinating. >> in particular aldonna.
he was a black belt in martial arts and he said just psychologically how this impacted him, like the food he kept going back and eating cheesecake and more cheesecake everyday. he gained 70 pounds within those nine months and it's just been recently where he's gotten himself back in shape. >> kato kalin. what's he doing? >> starting a business. people accused him of being a pariah and a mooch. he's always been misunderstood, tried so hard to do what was right. instead, decided to fight back against the criticism. started a lounge wear company, slackerwear.com for your couch potatoes kato potatoes. i can't make this up. >> and o.j. is in custody. >> yes, interesting about the goldmans. fred and kim, who said that they decided to try and find some humor in all of this 20 years
later and when he was sent to jail in las vegas, they sent him a card welcome to your new home card. >> thank you for being with us. that does it for us. we see you again at 11:00 p.m. eastern. another edition of 360 but now, o.j. trial drama of the century begins. ----------------------- the shocking crime. >> ron and nicole. >> the riveting car chase. >>9-11. what are you reportigng?reporting?. >> ow o.j. simpson on trial for murder. >> this was the