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cer collapses. no one else is around just jamall. you know what he did, he kicked the chain link fence where he was. he started screaming and he alerted the other officers come come come there was a problem. the officers come. turns out franklin was having a heart attack. police say if it wasn't for jamall's quick thinking he would have died. now they're going to honor him. you see, you are what you do. you're not always just what you do. he did a good thing. isn't that nice? would you have done that? >> yes. >> of course she would. >> that's good to know. that's good to know. >> one of our colleague's daughters visiting today. >> time for the "newsroom." let's get you to carol costello. carol. >> thanks so much. have a great day. >> move over. >> "newsroom" starts now. and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. we start this morning with breaking news.
the terror group al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, aqap now says that it was, indeed behind the attack on the "charlie hebdo" offices that left 12 people dead. and the plot was years in the making. in a new video al qaeda's top commander in yemen said quote, we clarified to the islamic world that al qaeda chose the target laid the plan financed the operation and appointed the premiere. the top al qaeda person goes on to call the kouachi members heroes and that it was mastered by the late anwar al alaki before his death. this message from al qaeda comes as the latest edition of "charlie hebdo" hits news stands with people going through the streets of paris as thousands are trying to snap it up since the staff was gunned down. barbara starr joins us on more
of these claims by al qaeda. good morning, barbara. >> reporter: good morning, carol. first we have new information at cnn. a u.s. official tells me they now believe their assessment if you will is when cherif kouachi, the younger brother, left in 2011 with a pile of cash. it may have been as much as $20,000 given to him by al qaeda in the arabian peninsula to help finance future attacks. they're trying to nail do you know the specifics. that's where they are this morning, that he left yemen in 2011 after a short trip there with a pile of cash. this all goes to the point of what was al qaeda's role in either directing this attack all the way back to 2011 or at least inspiring the brothers to carry it out. now, al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, the most dangerous al qaeda affiliate right now. the one of biggest concern to the united states because they have the technical ability to make bombs that potentially can
get past airport screening. anybody that could potentially put a bomb on an aircraft obviously a top concern. what they're trying to figure out right now with this latest claim by al qaeda, that it directed the attack that it picked out the targets. you know is it really true? is it a claim of responsibility to get more attention in the world or is it true? does this really date all the way back to 2011 when kouachi went to yemen, got weapons training may have met directly with awlaki before he was killed and the whole plot was fermenting for a couple of years or did they go home stew about things have these jihadist tendencies and then look for a target to attack? all of this still to be really sorted out, but make no mistake, the claim this morning by al qaeda in yemen, a very serious concern to the u.s. carol. >> all right. barbara starr reporting live
from the pentagon this morning. thank you. as you might have noticed, the investigation is quite complicated. al qaeda in yemen claims it's responsible, but we also know that one of the other terrorists ahmedy claimed allegiance to isis. i'm joined by jim sciutto. he's our chief national security correspondent and paul crookshank author of "agent storm" who led the cia to anwar al awlaki. jim, i'd like to start with you. yemen claims responsibility. the plan was three years in the making we think. how did french authorities miss this? >> reporter: it's one of many signals that they missed. keep in mind remember they did
have these brothers for years under surveillance. it was a week ago today when a gunman stormed the offices of "charlie hebdo" just behind me here. it was a week ago today but last june june 2014 they took the kouachi brothers off surveillance making a judgment at that time that they were no longer a priority. it adds to the list of missed signals here. aqap to this point has been viewed principally as a threat to concealing weapons and getting them on airplanes, the underwear bomber very serious. to have them behind this attack assuming it's substantiated over time it adds to their m.o. it expands the threat from aqap to inspiring and possibly directing gun attacks like this if you want to call them mumbai
style or paris style. >> this is already high. >> do you believe al qaeda in yemen was there. >> there's a chance to take a couple of months to verify it. u.s. now believes they came back from yemen with $20,000 in cash to finance this operation. it's all pointing towards the idea that one of the brothers meets with anwar al awlaki and he recruits them into this plot. we know from this double agent i did the report on he was telling the recruits camouflage
your radicalism when you go back to the west. we also note that that seems to be what the kouachi brothers did when they got back to the west. the french slapped on surveillance after they got a tip off from the americans that they believe they attended a training camp in yemen with one of the brothers attending a camp. june 2014 they take off that surveillance because they think the kouachi brothers are no longer dangerous. clearly they were still radical it appears. they were pretending not to be radical anymore. >> the other part of this that's confusing, jim, al qaeda in yemen on that same video that we showed folks, the attack on the kosher grocery store was an added blessing from alla which means it was not part of the plod. the man who carried out that attack pledged allegiance to isis. so does that mean al qaeda or isis are working together or we can't determine that right now? >> not necessarily. there are overlapping motivations here and the groups frankly have common motivations.
so several analysts terror analysts have made the point that we can draw walls and lines between these groups that are too definitive and there are cases where people might be working for one or pledging allegiance to one who also get support from another. and this plot is a fantastic example of that. think of the other folks who have been involved. you have an isis pledge of allegiance from amedy coulibaly. you have an aqap claiming responsibility for the "charlie hebdo" shooting behind me. remember hayat boumeddiene who is the partner, she was fleeing france via turkey. she's seen with a gentleman who's now been identified as someone attached to a pakistani afghan terror cell here so yet another group and the kouachi brothers were tied to another man who was seen as al qaeda's main recruiter in europe not aqap but core al qaeda's main
recruiter. just in that one list there you have four different cells, different organizations somehow involved or connected which shows that these terror groups they have similar motivations, they have common goals and their recruits have overlapping friendships, relationships, et cetera. it may be a mistake to imagine that just one group was responsible or involved in these attacks in paris. >> but, paul isn't it possible that all of these players could have met in france and it wasn't coordinated in the middle east? >> that's absolutely right. i think it's extremely unlikely that isis and al qaeda and yemen at the leadership level coordinated this. these were friends. they've known each other for years. two of the brothers or one of the brothers had a connection with aqap. i think what happened was they recruited
recruited amedy coulibaly. the brothers recruited him at the local level. coulibaly we don't think has traveled to syria or iraq. he's not had that interaction with the group itself. he clearly was somebody who had a lot of affection for isis and wanted it to be seen that he was carrying it out in their name carol. >> i wanted to ask you this too, jim, because the new "charlie hebdo" issue came out today and now we hear from al qaeda in yemen. is that just a coincidence? >> reporter: it's possible. you know remember these groups like aqap and others they are very good at maximizing attention, not only in their brutality, the nature of the targets they choose the methods they use, the brutality they use but on picking days to maximize that message. it's very possible they're connected. just another note about that magazine carol, as we talk about it. we noticed earlier, here you'll remember is the memorial to the "charlie hebdo" victims behind me which has been growing every
day. placed among the candles and the pencils and crayons that have been part of it from the beginning as well as the personal notes, we're seeing copies of that magazine too laid out there. the cover, et cetera. another sign of support that the people of paris, the people of france are showing as they continue to remember those events a week ago. >> all right. jim sciutto, paul crookshank thanks as always. i'll be right back.
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>> the french magazine the nation rallies in support. they want the people to cower. jim sciutto is there. jim? >> reporter: they not only refuses to be silenced the voice may be even louder than even just across the city of paris. french citizens have scrambled at news stands and corner stores to snap up the latest edition put together sadly by a skeletal staff devastated by this attack but still determined.
the magazine knew france would rally around it. it ballooned 50 fold from a typical 60,000 copies a week to 3 million. signs are now going up announcing that news stands have sold out. french crews say the print run is going to be extended again to a jaw dropping total of 5 million. nearly 100 times the normal print. in fact, some sellers have begun posting copies for 1700 per copy. the release of the magazine comes as a terrorist group in yemen, al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, aqap claims responsibility for the attack in a video. the group says it gave the men their orders and their target three years ago and u.s. officials now telling cnn may have given them as much as $20,000 to finance the attack. want to bring in cnn international anchor hala g garani. there is an enormous show of
support. there's a crackdown now, isn't there, on support, vocal support for terrorism? what are we seeing today? >> reporter: yeah indeed. we're seeing and according to authorities here in paris that there have been over 50 arrests for something called apology for terrorism. roughly translated in english it would be essentially defending terrorism, not incitement exactly but saying terrorism is something you support. so more than 50 arrests including one very well known comedian in this country who tweeted out je suis charlie, the name of the magazine coulibaly. he is one of more than 50 detained in this country. it's a very interesting debate jim, because it's really a question surrounding the freedom of expression. so some people will say absolutely not, incitement to terrorism is not covered by free
speech. this is something that is criminalized that is against the law in this country and many other countries. so if you tweet out or use social media to say that you support the acts that were committed by the terrorists at "charlie hebdo" that indeed you should be arrested and charged with a crime. others are saying tweeting out je suis charlie coulibaly is tasteless, not funny, obnoxious, but in light of what so many people marched for, it should be covered by free speech. it is not what you would call incitement or violence to terrorism. it's been a very interesting debate. one week from the massacre to "charlie hebdo" of what people should say. even though people might consider those statements terribly tasteless, whether or not they should be allowed to do so in public jim. >> reporter: no question hala. you know carol, this gets to the difficulty of establishing what's offensive. one person's satire is another
person's deep offense. and it's something that france has struggled with for some time. a number of years ago they banned the wearing of muslim head scarves here saying that was an affront to a national french identity. of course to many here they saw that as an affront to their religion. it is a constant battle here a constant battle balancing act that's frankly very difficult for countries to get right, carol. >> the other interesting thing that i wanted to tell our viewers is how fast this magazine is selling. they're selling like the proverbial hot cakes, right? there are issues of "charlie hebdo" on ebay going for $600 an issue. all right. i lost jim sciutto sadly, but we'll get him back later, never fear. still to come in the "newsroom." an ohio man charged with plotting to kill john boehner.
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a bizarre plot to kill house speaker john boehner and it involves his former bartender. authorities say this man, 44-year-old michael hoyt who worked at a country club where boehner was a member wanted to kill the ohio republican for several reasons, including his belief that the ohio republican was responsible for the ebola outbreak. the story doesn't end there. zach wolf is managing editor for cnn digital politics. he joins me from washington with more. good morning, zach. >> reporter: good morning, carol. >> tell me more about this plot and how police discovered it. >> reporter: well it's really kind of amazing. they discovered it because michael hoyt the 44-year-old bartender had worked for the country club where john boehner goes in ohio. he called 911 essentially on himself and said he was thinking about doing this and that he had a loaded gun and of course the local police went to his house and found the gun and took it
away from him. he told them he thought john boehner was responsible for the ebola outbreak. he was e-mailing with boehner's wife asking for a meeting to talk about ebola and other things. he's currently in a mental hospital. all of this happened back in october but the federal authorities indicted him just last week on threatening a federal official. >> and this bartender has known john boehner for a lengthy period of time right? >> reporter: that's right. like five years he was the bartender. what apparently caused this frustration in the guy's life is he was fired from that country club where john boehner goes. what's interesting, bars go at the whole -- john boehner's whole identity. he's a good golfer. he's one of the best golfers in washington. a lot of stuff in john boehner's
life circling around this tore jie. >> zach wolf. check out the story at cnn/politics if you want to know more. still to come in the "newsroom," one week after the brutal attack "charlie hebdo" is out with a new edition of the satirical magazine. good luck trying to get your hands on it. we'll talk about that next.
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and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. one week to the day after terrorists slaughtered cartoonists and police at the "charlie hebdo" offices in paris, al qaeda in the arabian peninsula says the attack was years in the making. investigators are trying to piece together exactly who came into contact with said and cherif kouachi in the run up to these killings. a 29-year-old french man is now under arrest in bulgaria. prosecutors say he belonged to an islamist cell that was plotting acts of terror. deborah feyerick joins us to plot out this complicated investigation. >> the reason they believe they were part of this cell is two, possibly three connected to the brothers left france the week before the deadly attacks. it appears their route was to get to turkey and into syria. one is 29-year-old fritz joli juakin.
he was picked up on january 1st. a full week before the attacks. he has since been charged with belonging with an organized crime group of organized terror groups. he was in contact with cherif kouachi multiple times. he was taking his young son with him. his wife is reported saying that he had recently become radicalized. he was stopped because he was traveling with the child but in affect he was ultimately charged with those terror crimes. >> even the chart is kind of complicated. bear us here. i want to ask you about the man traveling with hayat boumeddiene. she is the fugitive. she is amedy coulibaly's wife or girlfriend. it's unclear because some people say they were married in a religious ceremony. according to the authorities, they believe he's part of a pakistani afghan terror cell. one of the reasons the turkish authorities believe that
boumeddiene crossed into syria because when the two of them arrived at the airport in turkey they were actually flagged by turkey's risk assessment center. and investigators from that center actually were able to track them to the syrian border with turkey and there they disappeared. so now you've got three people all of whom were trying to make their way into turkey to get over to syria. that's why investigators believe that this is part of a much larger cell. >> so investigators in france arrested seven other people too, right? who were they? >> that's exactly right. that's what we're trying to get information on. the kouachi brothers were part of this group known as the 19th. that's because they were all from the 19th small, that's the area that they lived. one western intelligence source says it was nicknamed the iraqi 19 because they had ties to jihad or wanna be jihadis. they want to see who they were talking to or who they were meeting with. you have to keep in mind that the kouachis were under surveillance for a while.
whether those surveillance photos or even transcripts will yield any additional information is crucial at this point in the investigation to see just how large this all goes. >> i'll let you get back to t. digging up good information. deborah feyerick good information. 5 million copies is how many copies of the "charlie hebdo" magazine will be published. it's flying off the stands. let's head to paris and check in with jim sciutto. >> reporter: yes, carol, initial plans, 3 million copies. already some 60 times, 50 times their normal run, but that's increased just simply to then. we've seen long lines outside news stands in paris. most people being turned away because it's already sold out. the new cover of this magazine which as you know cnn will not show depicts a teary eyed prophet muhammad showing a sign saying i am charlie, je suis charlie. all is forgiven. i'm here now with cnn senior
media correspondent brian st stelter. we will not show the cover because of the offense. this is a back page with a number of cartoons. 16 pages full of cartoons here. >> yes. >> reporter: just to begin if you could remind our viewers why cnn has decided not to show the kfr. >> reporter: cnn and many other agencies have decided not to show the cover much the prophet of muhammad. we don't go out of our way to offend any religious group including muslims in this case. already we have seen some complaints about the cover. our colleague arwa damon reporting about people feeling insulted. >> reporter: safety also a factor in that decision. >> reporter: for sure. these concerns about safety are not theoretical. as you know jim, there have been actual acts of violence. >> reporter: we're standing in front of one. >> reporter: it is an issue. this issue has been hard to find today. by about sunrise it had sold
out. we went to a train station and spoke to people who were trying to find copies and here's what they told us. >> i went to the -- to the -- to the newspaper store at 8:00 in the morning and they told me that they had 100 copies and they sold everything in 15 minutes. >> i have visited all the stands around here. this was the last that i was thinking i would find one. >> i want my copy. really i want my copy. >> reporter: some people told us they went to eight or nine different locations trying to find copies but they had sold out so fast. we will see more of them on the news stands tomorrow and the rest of the week. now they're printing as many as they can print. >> reporter: no question. sticking to the signature style of "charlie hebdo" which is well frankly pushing the limits for some crossing the limits poking fun and, again, as i think we've said on the air to each other before an equal
opportunity offender. you could see that in these pages in terms of taking shots. >> reporter: for sure. the pope is a target just like other religious figures are targets and other politicians are targets. this is the kind of magazine that insults and offends the politicians that rush to their defense. that's what they stand for. they're not going to back away from that now that they've become the symbol for all of france. >> >> reporter: we're seeing a phenomenon that copies are showing up on ebay. >> reporter: for hundreds and hundreds of dollars. those up early to get copies before the sun rose selling them online. there are plans for distribution in other countries. not available in the united states. that plan is in the works. it may be available in some news stands in the future. >> reporter: reminder it will be reprinted in other languages as well tellingly in arabic as well. >> reporter: that's true. >> reporter: brian stelter, always great to have you. for many the latest issue of "charlie hebdo" comes with a clear message despite terrorism, the magazine will go on.
the right to free speech will prevail. i want to hand it back to my colleague carol costello back in atlanta. i have to say that emotion is one that we felt here not only in the magazine, not only in the people buying the magazine but again in that rally on sunday. people physically showing their presence in the march but also i think in another very power full demonstration which is people making a point, it seems, of living their lives i'll tell you despite the concern here despite the threat restaurants are crowded. the streets are crowded. people are going to work. they're not being cowed by this carol. >> jim sciutto, we'll get back to you. my next guest knows what it means to be criticized. she created the show the little mosque on the prairie. >> muslims are known for their sense of humor. >> i did not know that. >> little mosque. >> that is so too weird for visitors. >> cultural differences are so
interesting. >> okay. so maybe you get the idea. i wish i could have shown a little more of that. it was pretty funny. we're joined now by the author of the book "laughing all the way to the mosque." zukka, thank you for being with me this morning. >> thanks for having me carol. >> why is your humor accepted and "charlie hebdo's" isn't? >> well i would say when the show first came out it wasn't accepted. there was a lot of shock and worry in the muslim world. you know this came out -- the show came out in 2006 so this was before twitter and facebook. my family was getting calls, phone calls from all over the world asking us not to put it on you know what was i doing? was i creating something that would show the muslim world dv show islam disrespect. after the show aired the mosque got involved and called the cbc and asked them to take it off and there was a petition to have me removed as a member of the
community. it was quite shocking to me because i consider myself someone who's practicing islam, practicing muslim who was showing islam great deference within the show so that outrage, you know roo ellieally surprised me. as i wrote my article it took me several years to figure out where the worry and anger was coming from. it was because it was the first time it had ever been done in the muslim world. i had made a comedy about muslims in a mosque and it shocked people and they needed time to overcome that and become desensitized to that. some mixed up the fact that i was making fun of muslims which is different than making fun of islam. i wasn't intending to make fun of the prophet. i did have issues within the sexism and extremism in the community. that's what i went after. >> let me ask you about the cover of "charlie hebdo." it shows the prophet of muhammad wearing a white robe and turban.
he's shedding a tear and he's holding up a sign je suis charlie, i am charlie, and all is forgiven. what does that mean in your mind? >> you know i saw the image on twitter. it's going around the world. i thought actually it was quite respectful and done tastefully so i wasn't offended. you know at the same time though i do live in north america and the situation for muslims in north america is very different than the situation for muslims in europe. it's a radically different situation. canada and the united states we are countries that are made up of immigrants. you know we are part of a melting pot, whereas, in europe there's a lot more anti-immigrant sentiment. you look at say, the rates of education, employment of muslims in north america, canada and the u.s. they are at par with the whiter community. in europe you're looking at up to 40% unemployment. you're looking at ghettoization and alienation. we're looking at a very different atmosphere in europe
where muslims are being raised than say here in canada the u.s. >> do you think that the magazine "charlie hebdo" realizes that and realizes their brand of satire might hit muslims in a different way in france than it does in the united states? >> you know what's interesting to me is i compared it to when the cartoons came out in 2005. do you remember the big danish cartoon controversy, carol? hundreds of muslims died protesting that. there were embassies that got burned down. you know we had -- europe lost almost $1 billion in goods from boycotts because the muslim world was so enraged and now ten years later the only muslim that's died because of these cartoons is the muslim police officer who was trying to protect the cartoonists. you can see this radical change in ten years from what happened then and what's happening now. and you're seeing you know over the -- the entire muslim world coming in support of the cartoonists and saying this was wrong. killing these cartoonists was
wrong and we support, you know freedom of -- we may not like these cartoons but we do not believe that they should have been killed because of them. and so you can see the incredible difference that's happened over ten years, and what i remind people is that even in the u.s., if you remember 20 years ago, do you remember sinead o'connor took a picture of the pope and ripped it on snl live. do you remember that? >> i do. >> do you remember the incredible outrage that the american public had. i mean she could -- her career never recovered. two weeks later when she was opening for kris kristofferson, she was jerred off stage. i doubt that kris kristofferson had a huge catholic following, right? there was a sense in america 20 years ago that you couldn't disrespect public figures in way, but today you wouldn't get that response. we have to understand that sensitivities and people change over time. you have to give people a chance to absorb those changes. you can see the difference in the last ten years that you've seen from 2005 to 2015 and the
way the muslim community is responding to those cartoons. >> i understand. i want to ask you about a political -- i want to ask you about a political controversy that's happening here in the united states. the white house is refusing to call what happened in paris an act of islamic extreme itch. listen to josh earnest when he's asked about labeling the attack radical islam. >> we have not chosen to use that label because it doesn't seem to accurately describe what had happened. we also don't want to be in a situation where we are legitimizing what we consider to be a completely illegitimate justification for this violence this terror -- act of terrorism. >> does that make sense to you? >> it does. i mean muslims are not -- there was no call for vengeance against these cartoonists. nobody was saying go out and kill them. i think this was a very political decision by a group in
the middle east that's trying to whip up you know sentiment among muslims. this is very symbolic for them. this was something done to provoke and trying to encourage muslims to rise up against -- >> the people who are perpetrating this are doing it in the name of religion so why not call it what it is? extremism. >> because the people who are religious are not buying it. they're like been there, done that we are not going to be provoked by the cartoons the way we were provoked ten years ago. they're overwhelmingly being peaceful and behaving peacefully. muslims are coming out in france and asking french citizens not to leave. we wouldn't be the same country you left. we want you to stay. we want a peaceful country. you can see that. you can see overwhelming demonstrations of support saying we want peace in our country. >> i totally understand that. but i think that some people might say it is clear that some extremists terrorists in the
world are inspired by islam and that's just a fact. why not call them what they are, islamic extremists? >> because we never call the same types of incidents christian terrorism when andres revick killed 77 children in norway. we didn't attach it to christianity and yet he did it in the name of christianity. he recognized for what he was, someone who was an extreme person. we differentiate for other religions and not for muslims. it becomes a double standard. >> i have to leave it there. thank you so much for your insight. i appreciate it. still to come on the "newsroom," a major discovery in the java sea as airasia's fuselage and wing are finally found. investigators start working with both black boxes. we'll talk about that next.
java sea, the fuselage of airasia flight 8501 has been found. the remote underwater vehicle confirmed the main body of the plane with one of the wings attached is about half a mile from where the black boxes were found. inside could be 100 or more bodies. divers will now have to enter the wreckage and search before it can be brought to the surface. this latest discovery comes as investigators start downloading the data from the cockpit voice recorders. let's talk about that with cnn aviation analyst, marry sciavo. good morning, mary. >> good morning, carol. >> the fact that the fuselage was found with the wing attached what does that tell you? >> it was pretty significant, actually. it suggests to me since they had found the other wing earlier with one of the black boxes underneath the wing i think it looks like the plane came down intact intact. it probably struck the detached wing first and then the rest of the plane settled into the
water. the tail section probably came off because as the plane decompressed as it hit the water there would be a tremendous in rushing of the water and forces on the bulkhead of the aircraft. i think this does suggest it came down in one piece, struck one wing and then came apart. >> so does that mean that the pilot might have tried to land the plane on the water? >> i think not. i think probably what happened and this is the initial weeks, who knows if this is accurate or not, but they've already downloaded the cockpit voice recorder and they're saying that they are looking at an aerodynamic stall, that the plane lost its lift and came down. when that happens, particularly if you haven't had a lot of experience in recovering from a stall, especially in this horrific weather, it would be very difficult to bring that down in an attempt to land it after you've had a stall. most likely it -- when you encounter a stall it kind of comes to the earth sort of like a leaf a fluttering leaf. i don't think they landed on the water.
>> just so terrible to think about. so divers will go down first and look inside the fuselage and then they'll try to bring it up. is that right? >> that's right. they want to go down take a look at the fuselage. it's very important that they already have the flight data recorder and i think that will tell them along with the cockpit voice recorder the voices of the pilots will tell them exactly what happened. i think their first priority is going to see if they can bring up the human remains and get them out without endangering the divers and they would want to do that first. if they bring up the fuselage with the human remains intact, they risk losing some of the remains or they you know risk further damage to the persons, the souls on board. >> but it is important for them to bring up the entire plane at some point? >> well they may not. since think have both black boxes. if they have their answers in the black boxes, it's important
to search for the human remains. that's the humane and respectful thing to do. once they have that done and have what they believe are all the remains, they may not scour all the ocean floor to bring up the plane. it will be important to bring up the major pieces and they want to find all the humans who were on board, but they may not bring up all parts of the plane and there's always an issue in these very expensive underwater recoveries of who is going to pay. and in most cases the airline does not pay. they refuse to pay in many cases. so i think they'll take the major pieces. they will diligently search for all the human remains and then they might not bring up every little piece on the floor. >> all right. mary schiavo, many things as always. i appreciate it. >> thank you. still to come in the "newsroom," is the term radical islam inaccurate? the white house says yes and will not use the phrase when talking about the paris attacks. is the administration making a mistake? we'll talk about that next.
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>> we want to head to istanbul turkey now. the turkish government cracked down on not just a newspaper but the internet well. tell us more. >> reporter: carol, a couple of things have been happening. in the last hour or so we're hearing from turkey official news agency saying that a court in southeastern turkey has issued an order banning access to websites that have published that controversial cover of the charlie hebdo magazine. how this is going to be implemented and what the implications are are yet to be seen. this is a developing story.
on the other hand what happened earlier today was turkey's oldest newspaper, this is a pro-secular newspaper decided to publish. this decision only made public last night that they were dedicating four pages to some of the latest selection of charlie hebdo cartoons from this latest edition and they did print them in today's newspaper. the editor there saying their chief editor in comments on their website and in his twitter account saying that they were doing this in solidarity for freedom of expression saying their own newspaper lost journalists to terrorism and they had to take this move in solidarity but said that after consultations, the newspaper decided not to publish that cover of the charlie hebdo magazine. however, what they did was if you look inside that newspaper,
two columns, one op-ed, they did have that cover in black and white. a small publication reprint of that cover inside that magazine. there's a lot of concern about any sort of backlash and negative reaction. turkey of course an overwhelmingly muslim country and of course any visual depictions of the prophet muhammad as we know is a very sensitive issue banned in islam and shortly we heard from the deputy prime minister posting on his twitter account slamming the publication of the images of prophet muhammad saying they disregard the sacred and this is a provocation, carol. >> all right. thank you. in the aftermath of the paris attacks, the white house is raising eyebrows and refusing to use the term radical islam.
press secretary josh earnest said the group are terrorists. the nba legend kareem abdul-jabbar agrees. >> i know you are disappointed at seeing the attacks referred to as islamic terrorism. >> people who resort to that type of violence really don't have an ideology other than do what i say and that's what it comes down to. it has nothing to do with any ideology. people who would resort to violence like that are not well. >> all right. let's bring back cnn's jim sciutto in paris and lieutenant colonel james reese janeoining me. is this a surprising move by the
administration jim? >> the motivation here is that by calling it radical islam, you in effect give credit to the claim, terrorists claim, that they represent islam when most members of the faith will say that that violence has nothing to do with islam. it's perversion of the faith. we heard it from the white house i have heard that from others as well. of course the difficulty is that this is a common phenomenon. it's a problem where people use that justification so it gets down to semantics but behind the semantics is a real argument which to say for vast majority of muslims, this does not represent islam. therefore, don't give them the credit to even use the word islam in conjunction with them. that's the argument and the white house isn't alone in that argument. >> so colonel, there's another part to this argument. there always is right? so you want to know who your enemy is.
you want to know why your enemy is fighting you. from a military standpoint isn't it important to call it what it actually is? >> at the bottom line no it doesn't. i understand what everyone is talking about. i understand where the white house is. candidly i agree with the white house a little bit. in northern ireland, did we call catholics and protestants, terrorists? we didn't. at the end of the day this is a conversation that can't be done in two-second sound bite. there's a sunni, shia issue. these are just bad people. they want to hurt americans. they don't like what we're doing. from a military standpoint it doesn't matter. we're trying to help and find stability in the region to get everyone coming along. this has been a thousand-year war. >> jim, it just brings to mind the pentagon is calling isis a derogatory term and taking religion out of the equation as
well. >> it's true. one thing that the charlie hebdo attacks prove is that words and images matter in this debate. if just a simple cartoon -- granted to some an offensive cartoon. if cartoons can inspire violence clearly we know that religion has as well or people use that as a justification. the words in this debate they do matter. so as you try to find a way forward, there are whole host of sensitivities here and people use those words to their advantage and in fact the administration has talked a lot recently -- not just the administration but other terror commentators that part of this battle cannot be purely security forces and drone strikes and military action. it has to be getting at intellectual basis of this and a public debate where you undermine the argument used by these terrorists that islam justifies this.
it does show and god knows what's happened here in paris shows that that's an important part of this debate. it's not just about guns. it's about ideas. because of that words do matter. >> colonel, i can hear people saying my gosh here we are being politically correct once again. and we're not even brave enough in this country to call it what it is because whatever you believe, it is inspired by islam. it's a sick and twisted saying but it's inspired by that. >> what we have to do is find middle ground. call it what it is. it's islamic radicalism extremism but at the same time i just came back there. there's good people there that don't want this. they want to be just like we are. we have to quit dancing around the terms and get to what it is. >> thanks to both of you. the next hour of "cnn newsroom" after a break.
good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. we begin with deadly attacks in france. the first concrete claim of responsibility as top commander for al qaeda in the arabian peninsula says his group had been planning the attack on "charlie hebdo" since 2011. in a new video, he called said and cherif kouachi heroes. cherif kouachi could have been given 20,000 to finance the massacre when he left yemen in 2011 and we're getting a look at these two brothers. images were taken inside a gas station where they were armed and on the run from police. let's start with the new claim of responsibility. details of how the attack on the maga