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ice thwarting attacks and storming sleeper cells. we're also getting news of clashes over the latest "charlie hebdo" magazine cover depicting the prophet mohammed. in niger, they try to gain control of protesters. now this terror crack down has moved beyond europe. two suspected terrorists arrested in yemen with suspected ties to al qaeda. of course we know that one, possibly both of the kouachi brothers responsible for the "charlie hebdo" shooting are thought to have train inside of yemen. we're also now hearing the older brother, said has just been buried in an unmarked grave in eastern france. let's go straight to jim bittermann covering this from when it all happened on january 7th. jim, thank you for being with us. what can you tell us about said kouachi, the older of the brothers being buried in the
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town that he was from? what do we know about that who was there? >> reporter: well, it wasn't attended by anybody. it was done overnight and kind of in secret. no one knows where he is. he's in an unmarked grave. basically because he lived in the city for a time and the mayor had no choice. the local city officials didn't want this to happen. they would rather have had him buried somewhere else. according to the french law, they -- if a person lives in a community he can then be buried in that community. the same thing is happening with his brother who we think is going to be buried in an unmarked grave, cherif kouachi, in a town close suburb of the west of paris. and with the third terrorist, amedi coubali, in fact they have not decided where he will be buried. he may actually be taken back to
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mali where his parents are from. he never lived there but there's so much controversy over where they should be buried. another part of the controversy here was today -- there was an extreme right wing group talking about holding a march tomorrow anti-muslim march in the streets of paris. they've been banned from carrying out that march, poppy. >> also, jim, i know in the past few hours we've gotten this development that two french men, two french citizens have been arrested in yemen for connection with aqap al qaeda and the arabian peninsula, saying they were suspected of offering logistical support to the terror organization. do we know if there was any connection to the brothers or to coubali? >> at the moment we don't know if there's a connection but the fact is that yemen is where at least one of the brothers and perhaps both brothers were trained in weapons handling which they did with some skill the other day when they committed their bloody attack.
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so i think that's something they will be looking at quite closely. there's no question about it that there's a lot of french young people out there, the interior minister says up to 1,000 who are jihadis who they classify as people capable of going off, believing in the cause of muslim extremism, and getting themselves trained up. so that there would be a couple of those people would be in yemen and be part of al qaeda of the arabian peninsula. i don't think there's too surprising anybody but they do tend to stick together the ones that speak the same language stick together in these groups. so the fact is that they may have known the kouachi brothers. >> jim bittermann live in paris this evening. jim, thank you very much for your reporting throughout. as you can tell there are many moving parts to this story. let's get expert perspective from chair of the contemporary middle east studies and author of the book "the new middle
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east protest and revolution in the arab world." when you look at this you've got increased security all across europe. you've got military troops out on the streets with police officers. thousands of them in france right now. but it begs the question and i ask you this for the historical perspective that you have do we not need to start looking more and more atlanta tacking radical -- radicalization radical extremists much earlier on than forces can do on the streets of france for example? >> you know poppy, it's easy said than done because there are many unknown variables about this particular phenomenon what we call the jihadi ideology or radical islamism orgy haddism, whatever we call it. that's twhi security establishments in france in belgium, in the uk where i am, and extimeremely anxious because we
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do not know the nature of the danger that threatens europe. there's a great deal of uncertainty, poppy, a great deal of anxiety. we are three major networks that seem to be really alarmed the security establishment in european countries and the united states. you just were -- you've been talking to jim about the al qaeda and the arabian peninsula that is in yes, ma'ammen and you talked about the arrest of two frenchmen who basically allegedly provided support for the kouachi brothers cherif and said. on average, just to give your viewers a context, you have between 2,500 and 5,000 western men who are fighting in iraq and syria and yemen. let's say 2,500. a few hundred have returned to europe. another few hundred are planning to return to the uk, to france to belgium, to germany. you have about 100 americans who are fighting in iraq and syria.
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so this is very few people realize what kind of threat these particular would basically present to european security. obviously some of the arrests we have seen in the last 24 hours are basically proactive. potential suspects that could basically present a security risk. the second nature of the threat is what we call the lone wolves. the lone wolves who are basically marginalized disadvantaged, who fall under the prey of militants of al qaeda variety. again, the network in paris, the kouachi brothers and the supermarket attacker were part of the -- a network, lone wolves who basically went to yemen, some of whom either said or cherif in 2009 2011. so this tells you a great deal about the complexity and the difficulty putting your finger on the threat. >> absolutely. no question about that.
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let me ask you this. what we have seen is a real shift to yemen in terms of where some of this ideology is coming from where the training is happening, the kouachi brothers both potentially looefd to have been trabd there. not not afghanistan like post 9/11. yemen is on the brink. many young people unemployed. that is driving part of this in terms of it not being a stable state. but what do you think is significant about the focal point of this being yemen now? >> there is nothing surprising poppy, about the al qaeda and the arabian peninsula which is basically a network, affiliate of the al qaeda central. that is the al qaeda, osama bin laden, ayman zawahiri. the united states has been waging all ought war against al qaeda and the arabian peninsula since 2002 24 hours a day, literally. this is one of the most ambitious al qaeda groups that exists in the world today.
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this would come probably to your viewers as a surprise. the al qaeda affiliate in yemen is more ambitious and more dangerous than al qaeda parent organization of ayman zawahiri today in afghanistan and pakistan. it plotted several attacks. few groups that plotted several attacks against the american homeland and basically they were basically discovered by the u.s. security forces. and again, the attack in paris is obviously either directly or indirectly linked to al qaeda and the arabian peninsula, so the focus on al qaeda and the araba arab i don't know peninsula is not new. what is new is it has finally succeeded in other directly or indirectly carrying out a successful attack tack in the heart of europe that is france and obviously there are other potential attacks in the making and that's why the anxiety in
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europe at this particular moment. >> thank you for the perspective. i have a lot more questions for you including talking about isis and aqap possibly coming together and strength thenning as they merge rather than i'm battle later on. we'll have you later on on the program to talk with us about that. thank you. the "charlie hebdo" magazine cover enraged some of course and at the same time inspired a huge show of support for the magazine and for free speech across the world. did the magazine cross the line or not? we're going to talk about that next. retirement? i don't want to think about the alternative. i don't even know how to answer that. i mean, no one knows how long their money is going to last. i try not to worry but you worry. what happens when your paychecks stop? because everyone has retirement questions. ameriprise created the exclusive confident retirement approach. to get the real answers you need. start building your confident retirement today.
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the attack on the "charlie hebdo" magazine and the employees there was an appalling tragedy. one that led people around the world to rise up in defense of free speech. but there's also been a passionate argument that the magazine crossed the line with some of its covers. we're looking at what played out in pakistan. one country that saw fierce dpon administrations against "charlie hebdo." here with me to talk about that cnn political commentator and op-ed columnist for the "new york times." thanks for being here ross. you wrote a fascinating opinion piece in the times, the blass se my we need. if a group is willing to kill you for saying something, then
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it's something that almost certainly needs to be said, because otherwise the violent have veto power over liberal civilization. you argue in this that laws against blasphemy are irliberal but you say there is a line. why don't you lay that out for us. >> sure i think one of the basic points of having a protected right to free speech of the kind we do in the united states is that you're supposed to be protecting things that people say that might and other people. there's no point in having a first amendment and n. that sense if it doesn't protect some kinds of offensive speech even extremely offensive speech. like you said i think there are lines but there are lines of culture and politeness and decentdede sense si. there shouldn't be legal lines. at the same time you need protections when people do those kinds of things and then to get
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to the part you quoted from my piece, in situations where people are trying to shut down speech through violence you really do have to make a particularly strong defense of the people saying things publicly. because otherwise, you know otherwise the system essentially breaks down. >> and thus we saw play out with "charlie hebdo," the magazine issuing that new issue and the new cover with the prophet mohammed on the front in the wake of the attacks. you also write, liberalism doesn't depend on everyone offending everyone else all time. take a listen to what the pope said this week about insulting religion. >> translator: one cannot provoke, one cannot insult other people's faith. one cannot make fun of faith. >> what do you think? what's your reaction to that? >> well, there are always translation issues whenever pope francis makes comments on controversial issues. i don't want to disagree too
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sharply. but i think the idea the phrase cannot is wrong. it's just not -- it's just not the way liberal societies in the 21st century or the 20th century are organized and should be organized. if the peopleope is saying you should not out of politeness make fun of people's religion people's faith, i agree with him. that's generally a good guide for both getting through life on a personal level but also dealing with complex, multi-cultural multi-religious society. again, in a case like this where the reason "charlie hebdo" was publishing so many cartoons like this was precisely because of the threat of violence. they were trying to prove a political point. when that kind of political point making is met by violence you need to stand up for "charlie hebdo" and not for the offended parties. >> so to that point, we have seen in the wake of all of this a number of news organizations making the decision not to show
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either online or on television or in print the cover of "charlie hebdo" magazine. what is your take on that? i know you work partly for us here at cnn. we are not showing it. the "new york times." we even saw the economists printed in some countries and in some countries where it is printed leave it out. >> i would say that i'm very understanding of the issue of safety and if i were personally responsible for the safety of a large news organization i would probably you know hesitate and agonize a long time over the decision. with that being said, i think not ubpublishing in this context is a big mistake. it's something where, again, if you're not publishing something that is newsworthy that you would publish otherwise because of the threat of violence liberalism is losing and the people committing the violence win. look in the case of newspapers if this were a controversy like over you know the image of the madonna made with elephant dung
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that hung in the brooklyn museum that was very offensive to many christian, myself included when that controversy was in the news newspapers ran images of the controversial artwork. and obviously nobody or almost nobody hopefully was threatening them with violence. >> this came after a massacre. >> right. but i'm just saying it's the normal thing to do in this case is to run the controversial image even if it offends somebody's religious faith. if you're not doing it the only reason you're not doing it is because of violence in effect you're saying the violence works. >> ross it is a fascinating article. i encourage our viewers to read it. ross thank you for joining us. we'll get back to you a little bit later in the show. coming up next have european countries failed their muslim residents? are they sowing the seeds of future attacks by failing to really integrate muslims into their society? could the same problem be emerging here in the united states?
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france still reeling from last week's brazen terst terrorist attack will likely become a test case for europe and for the world on integrating muslims suck ss successfully fully. france has the largest muslim population and historically has
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been a country of some extremes. let's bring back in ross columnist for the "new york times" and cnn contributor. he wrote a very interesting piece on muslim asimulation in france and from london. thank you both for being here. "the new middle east protest in the new arab." give me a chance of the geopolitical landscape in france versus muslims and non-muslims and how they associate with one another. we can't make any generalizations. >> no generalizations? i mean france is a country that has basically the largest muslim population of any major european country. and it has sort of extremes of integration. you saw that at work in the massacre and the nightmare in paris where you both had -- you had, you know violent terrorists committing acts of violent terror and you also had french muslim policemen dying in the attack. you had a muslim saving people in i believe, the kosher
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supermarket and so on. and in that sense it's sort of representative of the extremes there. the fact that there is certain levels of integration that also coexists with a lot of exclusion and then a lot of economic problems that are common to europe generally but that drive particular -- a particular sense of isolation among muslim immigrants. >> sure. i want you to respond to that but first, let's listen to cia director leon panetta, his exclusive interview with fareed talking about this issue. listen. >> i think obviously that since 9/11 we have done a very good job of being able to improve our intelligence gathering capabilities our law enforcement capabilities our intelligence in terms of being able to track the particular threats that are out there. and clearly, our muslim population has the opportunity to become citizens in this country, to integrate more fully
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into our society. and that gives us an advantage. >> do you agree? have we more successfully done that in the united states? if so does that give us an advantage? >> poppy, the american context is qualitatively different from that of europe. the numbers of muslims living in europe in terms of population size are much higher than the united states. take france you and ross were talking, you have 5 million muslims living in france. they represent 7.9 and 9% of the population. secondly very important point, historically you're talking about different kinds of population. in europe mainly this advantage and scale, they live on the fringe of society. just to give you an idea of social economic context, almost 32% of muslims in france are unemployed. 32%. the american economy is much
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more dynamic. american society, much more open much more inclusive. and, of course you have the historical colonial problems. so when you talk about north africa you're talking about algeria where historically speaking you have a large algerian community, still a very potent identity and manlimagination of the past. multiple factors contribute to making the muslim community in europe or elements again, we should not generalize about this. >> absolutely. i think, ross, he brings up a critical point. when you look at feeling disenfranchised and turning towards radicalization in whatever form off that has to do with a lack of ability to rise up the economic ladder the lack of opportunity. do you agree? >> yes. and one of the great ironies of the situation is that france when you think about french politics, there's deep polar polarization that's embodied
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both of the presence of radical islam and the power of the far right, the national front led by marine lepan. the far right is the only party in france that's really willing to criticize the design and overall ambitions of the eurozone and it's the eurozone whose designs and ambitions have plunged the continue nent into economic chaos who is making the problem of economic problems worse for everyone but for reasons of exclues muslims in france are bearing the bankrupt of the burden. there's a terrible irony where the most anti-immigrant party is also the only party willing to criticize the economic model hurting immigrants most of all. >> that's a very important point. thank you both gentlemen. i appreciate it. >> thank you, poppy. all right. of course you want to watch the rest of fareed zakaria's interview tomorrow morning 10:00 a.m. eastern right here on cnn. coming up next on this program, the terror
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right now fear is gripping much of europe after a week of deadly antiterror raids. troops are being deployed to vulnerable sites. thousands of troops. the trial of evidence -- the trail, rather of evidence from the deadly terrorist attacks in paris goes further leading to one country specifically a haven for terrorists. yemen. we now know that two frenchmen were arrested there months ago, both with suspected links of al qaeda, claiming responsibility for the slaughter at the offices of "charlie hebdo." one or perhaps even both of the gunmen that attacked france' "charlie hebdo" magazine are thought to have traveled to
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yemen. cnn's nick paton walsh is in yemen chasing down that lead. >> reporter: yemen's so key to the investigation into what al qaeda and the arabian peninsula are based in this failing state behind me. institutions always really struggling to hold on amid the conflict whirling around them. al qaeda and arabian peninsula based here are calling for violence in paris and the blessed battle of paris. the question is, though, we know from one interior official that said first came here according to their databases in august 2009. he made a number of trips in and out until potentially 2011 even 2012 suggests this official the question is did his brother also come here? perhaps using his older brother's passport. that would have been cherif traveling under the assumed identity of his brother. and most importantly, al qaeda here claim that anwar al awlaki
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was the organizer behind the attacks. did the relationship between those two kouachi brothers and al qaeda here in yemen end in 2011? did they have a target and resources to make those attacks against you "charlie hebdo" then or was there a continuing network of communications and resources, logistics that continued up until the start of those attacks in paris just over a week ago now. vital things investigators need to establish because if there is a continual relationship they will want to try and circumvent that and stop it as quickly as possible. but what is happening day by day in yemen, according to one western diplomat i spoke to is facilitating al qaeda's life there. there's been a civil conflict raging for years, but it's sort of changed somewhat in the last few months gathering a more sectarian nature. there's a key tribe here which pretty much shia in orientation. the houthis, went into the
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capitol center behind me taking over the street putting up checkpoints, confronting across the country al qaeda and those sunni tribes allies to al qaeda, turning what's happening in yemen slowly into a sectarian war. mirroring the conflicts we're seeing in iraq and syria, to sunni versus shia. that is important, said one western diplomat to me because it means that frightened sunnis here worrying about the advance of the shia houthis tribe here in the capital are, in fact, putting their guns to help al qaeda and other sunni tribes. that means in the local battlefield, al qaeda is better resourced and, says this diplomat therefore, has more resources and breathing space to quote, think about external operations. by that they mean attacks against the west. that's the fear that they have great secret recipes of this diplomat for trying to make nonmetallic bombs that can be used in paris or elsewhere across europe. the question is how can that be
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stopped. al qaeda in the arabian peninsula somewhat out of the spotlight given the recent rise of isis. the question is do they still have active networks inside europe? that's what investigators are racing to find out now. >>, the only major news network there inside yemen. let's go straight to bob baer. i want to ask you about this. president obama back in september laid out his strategy for the u.s. taking on isis. named yemen along with somalia, as successful example of how the u.s. plans to pursue and kill terrorists. given what we know about the kouachi brothers believed to have been trained in yemen, what we've seen come out of yemen, what is your take on that? has the u.s. been successful there? >> absolutely not. i think what we have to face the fact poppy, is that yemen has been a failed state for as long as i can remember. i dealt with the yemeni army in the '80s and they would point at large parts of the map saying
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they couldn't enter those areas. it's gotten a lot worse since. there is no government in sanaa. the security adviser was kidnapped yesterday. >> number two. >> large parts -- number two. and it's a perfect place for al qaeda to set up at mountains. the army can't go up there. the intelligence is awful. we've had a failed s.e.a.l. raid there. and we can't get up in those areas. drones are helpful to disrupt the leadership but we don't really in fact know who is in charge of al qaeda in yemen. it's still a secretive organization. the chief of it they call him the general manager which is a bizarre word in arabic. that's what they call him. and if you're going to go up there and train on airplane bomb or launch attack on -- attacks on europe it's the place to do it. it's much safer than pakistan which now the pakistani army is
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going into the tribal areas, is starting to crack down. it has an efficient intelligent service. a lot of these operations have moved to yemen. dushl additionally let's not forget that bin laden was a yemeni as is the chief there. you know it does none of this surprises me. >> bob, let me ask you this. up until a few weeks ago we were talking a lot about the fact that it really seemed like al qaeda and isis were battling one another, trying to one up one another. now there are more and more indications that they're working together that those -- especially young people radicalized, don't particularly care whether they're being directed by al qaeda or isis for example. do you agree that we're seeing more of a collaboration from these terror organizations? >> oh, i think on the ground level we are. you know the head of al qaeda probably doesn't like the -- doesn't like the islamic state. there's arguments over islamic credentials and they're fighting over general strategy. but on the ground these small
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groups they don't really care. they get their doctrine off the internet and there are a couple senior sheikhs in qatar and some in jail the jordan who really give orders to launch violence against the west. and that's all they care about. the kouachi brothers coubali, they were not sophisticated. you just look into their backgrounds and they don't really care about islam. they just care that there's a war. they're foot soldiers. >> bob baer thank you for that. we appreciate it your expertise on this. it's a scary reality. as bob just said, they get doctrine off the internet. isis has been relentless on the battlefield and on youtube as well. on the internet, using propaganda to recruit new fighters. how is our military how is the west fighting back in terms of its message? is it doing enough to win the war on the web? that's next. (son) oh no... can you fix it, dad?
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isis has had suck siscess recruiting western fighters with slickly highly produced videos putting them online like the one you're looking at, showing their fighters in action on the battlefield. in fact, we usually see almost always isis victories. but where are the videos of isis defeats? in a war of images are western nations losing the battle with isis at least online? let's talk about it with martha ceo of and bob baer former cia operative joins us again and also a cnn intelligence and security analyst. martha, your expertise is branding and sending a message. usually when it has to do with corporations but when it comes to the videos we've seen are just extraordinary from isis. highly produced. even sometimes put their
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captives out as reporters on the street. you have a sense that the u.s. should be putting more out there visually. >> well, i think isis has created a successful brand. and a brand is an emotional connection with people. and when you make a connection you can scale that connection. isis has been really effective at using propaganda to move their brand along and to continue expand their footprint. in the face of a successful brand where people are looking at isis as a winner i mean there really needs to be an alternative narrative put out there. where are the images of isis losing? where are the images of setbacks actually being placed in their path as they move forward? i think there's a real void in the narrative out there. the public perception. >> do you think that when it comes to most people right, those not attracted to what isis does which is the majority of people when they put videos out of these horrific beheadings for example, aren't they in a sense only digging their own
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grave? aren't they in a sense only turning us away -- we have such an aversion to seeing that. >> right. i think you're absolutely right. for the majority of the people in the world, it's an awful image and it's an awful brand. but that's not who they're talking to. >> right. >> they're targeting the mostly young men. i mean if you think in france 40% of muslim men in france are unemployed. that's a perfect target audience -- >> disenfranchised. >> they see winning, they see domination they see success. and, you know that's a logical magnet for some of those people to turn to. and from a marketing and branding perspective, what can start to put some boundaries on that is an alternative set of images and an alternative to that brand story. >> it's an interesting point. bob, when it comes to a national security perspective right, so much of what is done in the cia, you're a former cia, we never know about. so does it bring up the issue of
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major national security question our tactic et cetera if the u.s. starts putting out images of how -- they put out some satellite images but really more graphic images of defeats of isis? >> well, poppy, you know, i agree, but we seeded that field of battle a long time ago, trying to change public opinion in the middle east. the cia should be in charge of that placing articles, placing videos getting inside the arab persian press. it failed at that frankly, and is no better today. no journalist in the middle east wants to deal with the cia. it was different in the '70s and before. so we failed there. we also as an open society provide most of the propaganda for the islamic state. you look at the images from abu ghraib ghraib. you know even the wikileaks, when they're firing rockets, targets in iraq. and those are replayed and replayed and replayed.
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for an uneducated group of people like the -- that live in the slums around paris, all they can do is identify with islam and that we are oppressing muslims. that's the message that the islamic state is riding on. i agree, they are winning. >> so to bob's point, martha what should be put out? >> bob makes a very good point. well i think some of the issue is what's in the public domain in terms of what the press reports as a story and images that are just generally disseminated through social media as well. and again, there are places where isis has been pushed back. there are incidents and examples and there are plenty of images of isis being challenged. i think just beginning to form a dialogue that creates a narrative around that is important. i would agree that it's probably not going to be the most effective tool coming from the u.s. government to try to propaganda this in the interest of the western perspective on this.
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i think that's not going to be effective. but i do really question from a brand building perspective whether or not there's something that can be done effectively to at least turn -- broaden the attitude toward the position of isis. >> it's such an important point, given how many people now are radicalized and even trained online through these videos. they don't need to travel to yemen. >> yes. >> to get this training and to carry out these horrific attacks. >> thank you. in the war against isis rebels in syria could be an essential ally training these moderate rebels group heard a lot about it but what do we know exactly about who we will be training? is this a very dangerous strategy driving us further into the chaotic civil war there? heart: i'm going to focus on the heart. i minimize my sodium and fat... gotta keep it lean and mean. pear: uh-oh. heart: i maximize good stuff like my potassium... and phytosterols, which may help lower cholesterol. major: i'm feeling energized already.
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as we consider and discuss this fight against this really new brand of terror seen in syria, yemen, now even playing out in paris, there's a question that is drawing a lot of debate. what is the best method for fighting and defeating terrorism like this? let's bring back in former cia
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operative bob baer and, bob, we know you lived in syria. you have a hot of perspective on this. there's been debate on whether troops on the ground air strike drones are the best method of attack. before we discuss that i want to watch this report on exactly that from our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. >> reporter: in the fight against isis in syria and iraq air strikes by drones or fighter jets can only do so much to suppress the threat of terrorism. >> the dod approach is not to defeat isis from the air. the intent is to inhibit and slow isis down to give a ground force time to be trained because a ground force will be required. >> reporter: in syria where isis still controls vast swaths of territory it could take years to get syrian opposition forces on the ground fully trained and committed to the fight. but the obama administration has said any ground forces won't come from the u.s.
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so the answer for now is air strikes that punish the enemy but fail to land a knockout punch. >> you can't control territory. you can't influence people. you can't maintain lines of control after you've established -- that will take a ground force. >> reporter: even before al qaeda in yemen claimed responsibility for the paris attacks, the pentagon was quietly trying to figure out new ways to thwart al qaeda's most dangerous
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that way. you can keep a lid on their capabilities but not eliminate the groups. >> there may actually be one bright spot in all of this and that is iraq. u.s. officials say they believe they are stalling isis's progress in iraq that is because they are able to work with iraqi and peshmerga forces there and gain an advantage from the intelligence that those groups have. barbara starr, cnn, the pentagon. joining me now to talk about this if drones as are just described in barbara's piece like mowing the grass and fighting against isis. what are the best options? >> well in iraq right now
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against the islamic state we're counting on reforming the iraqi army. more of a national army that's going to supposedly go back into anbar province and take it back from the islamic state. but the truth is there's nothing we can do about it. the current prime minister is simply taking shia militias and integrating them into the army and trying to send them into a sunni area. it's not working and it won't work. the air attacks, no doubt about it have blunted the attacks against the kurds and against baghdad. the islamic state is no longer a threat to baghdad. that's good. that's a victory. but as far as getting the sunni in syria and iraq to come back over it's not happening. and we can train all the sunni people we want we can give them all the weapons we want they're going to go back to syria and i can almost predict with 100% certainty those weapons and a lot of those trained people are going to end up with the
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fundamentalists whether it's the islamic state or otherwise. it can't work. it's a band-aid on a gaping wound. >> but then what do you do, bob? >> reporter: i think right now, my personal bias is to let the middle east divide up and give the sunnis a stake. you simply cannot have a shia government in baghdad going into the sunni areas and trying. they are secular leaders. they are pro shia. i don't think we should support the borders. they were written in secret in 1916 by the europeans. they don't exist anymore. we certainly can't send enough troops into the middle east to hold them together. the americans don't have the patience. we don't want to go there. we couldn't do it. it would take 100 years. truly be a 100-years war. i think we need to make some fundamental political changes in the middle east. very unattractive but i don't see any choice. >> we've seen how difficult those are to come by and
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accomplish. so bob bair thank you for joining me. we're going to talk about the jewish community following the horrific attack in paris. also new potential terror threats. next french jusews speck out about the attacks and their unimaginable loss. nutrition...i'm no expert. that would be my daughter -- hi dad. she's a dietitian. and back when i wasn't eating right, she got me drinking boost. it's got a great taste and it helps give me the nutrition i was missing. helping me stay more like me. [ female announcer ] boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. all with a delicious taste. grandpa! [ female announcer ] stay strong, stay active with boost.
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one week ago, the "charlie hebdo" attacks took another deadly turn with the hostage taking and killing at a jewish kosher grocery store in paris. this week in paris they mourn those that they lost. sarah, who is a french jew, talks act the fears that her community is going through right now and her personal struggle to cope with this loss. ♪
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school in paris. ♪ >> very difficult. because first, as a jewish community, is afraid in paris because of this terrible attacks. ♪ >> it's very important for the community to be solid, to be just in one unity. when i watch tv on friday and i saw the place here and i read on the tv that terrorists went
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into the supermarket i knew that he came not to do shopping. so i knew that he will kill people. ♪ ♪ ♪
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nn news room. i'm poppy harlow. a lot of news to get to focusing on europe across the continent the terror threat is high and higher than it has been in many many years. take a look here. this is brussels. soldiers with weapons patrolling the streets and standing guard at tourist sites and jewish centers. troops are also deployed to antwerp, boosting the police force numbers in the city's jewish neighborhoods there in addition to the overall terror threat belgian officials remember all too well last year's deadly attack on a jewish museum by a suspected extremist. security officials all over europe are still t