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hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." we begin this hour with terror in tel aviv. a young palestinian with a knife attacks israelis on a crowded bus at rush hour. i'll show you some video from outside of the bus before the attacker is actually shot in the leg by police and his rampage is stopped. what you're going to see is a woman being stabbed in the back as she is running away for her
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life. if you don't want to see that, give you the opportunity right now to look away for just a moment. and if there are children in the room, may want to clear them as well. at least nine people including the driver of the bus have been hurt, four of them seriously. the attacker is identified as 23-year-old west bank resident who claims he was protecting, among other things -- protesting the war in gaza last summer. hamas, although not claiming responsibility, is saluting the attack. the israeli prime minister calls it, quote, the direct result of the poisonous incitement being d disseminated by the palestinian authority. joining me from jerusalem is elise labott and cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes is in washington. elise, tell us about how the people who were attacked were doing and also the status of the attacker. >> reporter: well, one of the
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wounded was seriously wounded. the others have a range of injuries from light to moderate. what happened was really dramatic. as you said, the driver was the first person stabbed. and what he did was slam on the brakes. he veered the bus to the right. everybody started coming out, the doors were opened. they started flooding out. that palestinian attacker started stabbing other people as they were leaving the bus. then this dramatic video is him running from the scene, stabbing this young woman and then running away again. two guards from the israeli prison authority saw what was going on, saw the chaos. started following him in pursuit. they shot him, cuffed him. he was arrested and now he is in the hospital in custody, ashleigh. >> in custody in the hospital. has the interrogation of him begun while he's in his hospital bed with a bullet wound in his leg? >> reporter: he was interrogated -- i think the israelis were trying to see if
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he was working with anyone. it doesn't seem that he was part of any plot or anything. it does seem like it was one of those so-called lone wolf attacks which is really seen a lot -- this is the new tactic in israel. you've seen a lot of israelis mowed down by palestinians in single attacks over the last few months. then you had that horrible synagogue stabbing in november where several rabbis including some american rabbis were attacked. that's what we've seen. through his interrogation, it doesn't seem as if he was part of any larger group. buts a you no as you noted, ham the attack saying israel basically got what it deserves for its actions against the palestinians. and for his part, prime minister netanyahu is saying, it's this kind of incitement that leads to palestinians taking attacks against israel. >> tom, if you can jump in on this. this is the biggest concern, it seems, for those in the intelligence community. if you're dealing with someone who just simply has a knife, didn't need funding, didn't need
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planning, can just go on a rampage and take out as many people as he can, is there anything they can get out of this person, any kind of intelligence or is there anything they can do that will perhaps instill fear in others not to do this? you know what i'm talking about. oftentimes, homes are razed and families are arrested, et cetera. >> right. but i think in this case that's not a lot. if he's not part of an organization, if he can't give them information that he was part of a cell that has been planning this all over, there's not much they can do to prevent it. everybody has kitchenware at home. and for a couple of individuals to take their kitchen utensils out on the street and start stabbing people, not much they can do. i should add, this is nothing new for israel and it's nothing new for the hamas playbook whether they organized it or not. back in the day when al qaeda was trying to bring down the world trade center and the
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pentagon, their strategy was always, let's just attack ordinary people doing ordinary things, riding on a bus, standing on a street corner waiting for a bus, going to a restaurant, going to a movie, whatever it might be that ordinary people do and attack and kill those people, even if you only kill one to ten people, it terrorizes the public more because of things they're doing. when you attack uniformed military, uniformed police, hardened targets like police headquarters, the average person in the country says, well, that's not going to be me, i'm not police, i'm not in uniform, i'm not in the military. but when you attack people doing ordinary things, that's more terrifying to the average member of the public. >> elise, if you could jump in on the announcement that almost simultaneously has come about from capitol hill that the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is on the agenda now to address a joint meeting of congress on february 11th. can you talk about the impetus for this decision and what's on the agenda for the discussion?
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>> reporter: that's right. that news was broken by cnn's dana bash just a short time ago. sources telling her that house speaker john boehner basically took the unilateral decision to invite prime minister netanyahu to peak about iran. this comes less than 24 hours after president obama really laid down the gauntlet on iran warning congress not to impose additional sanctions against iran while those nuclear negotiations are still going on. the administration has said all along that it really feels like that would tie his hands and he's threatening to veto any legislation that's working its way through the congress right now. so for house speaker boehner, really a poke in the eye in the obama administration because these type of visits are usually closely coordinated with the white house when it involves a strong ally such the leader of israel. >> elise labott in jerusalem and tom fuentes here in the united states, thank you to both of you.
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please stand by for a moment. we have new surveillance video showing paris terror suspects scouting out places to hit long ahead of the attacks. this as france is announcing some brand-new measures to track potential terror suspects and, believe me, when you hear how much they'll cost, you can imagine what the french people are thinking now. hi, i'm henry winkler and i'm here to tell homeowners that are sixty-two and older about a great way to live a better retirement... it's called a reverse mortgage. call right now to receive your free dvd and booklet with no obligation. it answers questions like... how a reverse mortgage works, how much you qualify for, the ways to receive your money...and more. plus, when you call now, you'll get this magnifier with led light absolutely free! when you call the experts at one reverse mortgage today, you'll learn the benefits of a government-insured reverse mortgage. it will eliminate your monthly mortgage payments
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the french prime minister today announcing almost $500 million in emergency spending, in part to keep tabs on an estimated 3,000 potential terrorists they believe may be living among them. more on that in just a moment, but first, some video you won't see elsewhere. surveillance images from a jewish institution in paris purportedly of amedy coulibaly, the terrorist behind the kosher market siege, and his wife/partner who's now believed to have fled to syria. a source close to the investigation says the couple was out scouting targets, at least as far back as last summer. interesting the choice of clothing on the woman who professors to be an islamist. authorities are holding and charging four of coulibaly's alleged cohorts but not in direction connection with the market attack in which four hostages were murdered. i want to bring back tom fuentes and get some insights from cnn military analyst and retired
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u.s. army general spyder marks and tom fuentes is in washington. joining me from toronto is a former counterterrorism operate iive must ivive mubin shaikh. there are an enormous amount of resources the french are throwing at this. 2,680 new jobs just towards intelligence services. that remarkable amount of money and the number, 3,000 people they think they now need to follow. is this too little too late or is it exactly what they need to be doing and maybe too late? >> may be too late for what's already occurred and what's been in progress over recent months. but over the long haul and this will be a long haul, it won't be too late. but i can tell you, the resources required -- i ran surveillance operations for the
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fbi in chicago for two years when we were following organized crime, gangsters, murderers and some terrorists. and the resources required are just enormous. it takes about 30 people, half a dozen pilots rotating when aerial support is allowed due to weather to follow one person. so if they're talking they have 3,000 people they need to cover and you have the massive amount of resources it takes, people, vehicles, equipment, photography equipment, radio equipment, and extensive training which will require months if not years to select and train the individuals to do it, this is no small chore on their part. >> and obviously since we heard that the kouachi brothers were dropped off of surveillance more than likely because of sheer resources, perhaps this is exactly what the french need. spyder, jump in on these photos. we were showing pictures of the
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scenes around paris. you have what look like military-style policemen who are standing guard under the eiffel tower. these are the kinds of images that we often see post a terror attack, certainly see it all the time in new york city. is that an effective way to fight terror? are terrorists deterred when they see officers in well-travelled locations? >> ashleigh, what you're seeing is immediate reaction, a scaling of operations, if you will, into those high opportunities for paris -- opportunities and targets where terrorists would go after. clearly what you have is an immediate response. clearly those areas now become denied because of the high visible, overt surveillance that's in place. but what's really happening and what you hope as tom described is the essence of the work, which is the scud work that has to take place behind the scenes in terms of directed
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intelligence collection, very robust, intelligence fusion, bringing in all those collector capabilities and the analysis that takes place that gives you targetable intelligence that then you can list and prioritize in terms of what looks like the highest targets, the most vulnerable targets that are linked to threat interests. this is a lot of work that has to take place. so the immediate response is folks on the street, yes, that denies certain areas and hopefully can give you a little bit of time to gear back up and achieve what it is you're trying to achieve for the long haul. this is a long-term engagement. >> i want to switch gears slightly. we're talking about surveillance and there's some video that surfaced that cnn is now showing of amedy coulibaly and his wife or partner or whatever she is, hayat boumeddiene. this is them apparently scoping last summer some potential targets. i've been watching this video over and over again. wha stands out to me is not that they're scoping. it's what they're wearing. if these are true islamists who
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are hell-bent on avenging the prophet muhammad or insisting on a puritan style of life, what on earth would that woman be doing dressed like that on the sidewalk? >> well, it's to cover their identity, right? to not be so obvious as to what they're up to. it's easy to recognize, of course, the face veil that she's pictured in during her "crossbow" training that's prohibited in france and in paris there would be some kind of police action taken against them or at least somebody would see that. >> mubin, i'm having trouble with the notion of trying to fit in because i'm going to be completely honest with you. a t-shirt and a pair of capri pants, she would have blended in beautifully.
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people dressed like that stand out. how on earth can someone go within a matter of months from dressing like that even if she thinks this is an undercover operation to possibly being involved in a murderous plot, again, for ultra-religious purposes? it doesn't make sense to so many people. >> well, if you imagine from what we've heard from hayat boumeddiene about her involvement with amedy coulibaly, remember, coulibaly was in prison trying to break out, a convicted terrorist who bombed the paris subway. one of the things she described was showing images of atrocities in the muslim world, whether it was palestine, chechnya, iraq, there were different places that she referred to. and when you link next to foreign policy grievances radical ideology to make sense of it to say, look, this is
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happening because the infidels are doing this to you, it's very easy for you to tie the two together. while this is a result of the west doing this and so therefore the west are the terrorists and i have to attack them. and this is the narrative that she engaged in. >> yeah. just more and more as i see a lot of the m.o.s of these so-called strict islamists, i see they're just filthy criminals and not a whole lot more than that. they may have latched onto something that's convenience to go about what they're doing. it's shocking to see the incredibly hypocrisy in those images. thank you all three for your insight on this story. other news is breaking now as well. nfl not responding. tom brady simply laughing this one off. but it's a serious offense if in fact there is an offense. the patriots being accused of using deflated footballs. so what could this mean for the league ahead of the super bowl? what could it mean for the coach? that's coming up. so that ine
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super bowl-bound new england patriots for allegedly deflating footballs in their win over indianapolis on sunday, it's getting some noise. and it's getting some traction. here's the play that started everything off. there's colts linebacker jackson with his team's only interception of the game. the only interception of the game, yeah. you're catching the other team's ball and giving it a little quiche. jackson reportedly told his coaching staff that that ball
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that he caught felt sort of soft. by rule, the nfl footballs have to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch and have to weigh 14 to 15 ounces. but according to espn, the nfl found that 11 of 12 of the patriots' footballs were underinflated. that's a big no-no. joining me now is nfl hall of famer and quarterback fran tarkenton and andy shuls. andy, where does this whole story stand from an investigative point and also from the point of whether the super bowl is going to be affected by this? >> well, the super bowl is definitely not going to be affected. it's going to be patriots versus seahawks in a couple of weeks. but in terms of the investigation, the nfl says it's still ongoing. they won't comment on it just yet. troy vinson is heading it up. i guess right now they've already found according to espn that 11 of the 12 balls were not inflated correctly.
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if that's the case, where do we go from here? the minimum fine is $25,000. considering what happened with spygate back in 2007 with bill belichick taping opposing coach's signals on the sideline, he got fined $500,000 for that. we'll have to wait and see. the nfl should have findings in the next two or three days. >> he had to apologize to the owners and apparently at that same meeting they adopted something called the integrity of the game and fair competition and they all had to agree that they would abide by league rules and policies and report any violations that they know. this is pretty serious stuff if you're talking about the integrity of the league. i want everyone to listen to this interview with the patriots' quarterback tom brady from two days ago. >> did you get the sense that you were able to grip the ball better than the colts last night? would you care to weigh in on
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that? >> i think i've heard it all at this point. oh, god. >> may not be a laughing matter. this is what he said three years ago when rob gronkowski scores, he spikes the ball and deflates the ball and i like that because i like the deflated ball. fran, there could be no better expert on this than you perhaps right now. first of all, i want you to weigh in on what you're seeing play out right now. >> this is a small story in the whole realm of things. deflating a football, you can grip it better. if the ball is -- the harder it is, the more slick it is. if you deflate it in cold weather, you'll have a better grip. if you deflate it in rainy weather, which it was raining, you have a better grip. it gives you an advantage. there's no question about it. but it's not that big of an advantage. here's a bigger thing, ever
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heard of lance armstrong? >> once or twice. >> he won seven tour de frances, broke all those records and he was finally on p.e.d.s, right? >> uh-huh, admittedly. >> and all the baseball players that hit home runs, the barry bonds, the mark mcgwires on p.e.d.s. >> sure. >> you want to hear a real story that everybody covers up for the last 20 years? the team that the players take the most performance-enhancing drugs will win the game. these teams that are in the playoffs, all the teams, they're taking performance-enhancing drugs, which makes their players -- it's illegal, bigger, faster, stronger, and that's what wins football games. deflating a football is nothing. but nobody wants to talk about the epidemic of performance-enhancing drugs throughout the national football league that really changes the way the game is played.
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>> are you suggesting that the patriots and perhaps other teams as well -- >> every team -- >> lsh won the game and much of it has to do with performance-enhancing drugs, are you making that accusation -- >> i've been saying it for years. they don't want to cover it. if performance-enhancing drugs helped barry bonds hit 70-plus home runs and mcgwire in the 60s and all the other stuff -- it's been epidemic in baseball and track and field, it's been epidemic in football for just as long. >> let me suggest this. >> i talk to people, i talk to trainers and doctors. i see players. it's epidemic. and that changes the game. so why doesn't anybody talk about something that really does make a difference? >> first of all, to talk about something, you have to back it up with evidence, fran. i have to jump in here. cnn has no evidence of any particular players or teams that are taking performance-enhancing
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drugs. and this particular story, we are looking at the potential for evidence and investigation that's under way. this is why we're drilling down on this particular one. andy, rules are rules. section one, rule number two is all about ball dimensions, second two is all about ball supply. this stuff is really regulated. but there's always that ref on the field. help me think this through, don't the refs handle the ball on a regular basis, andy? why would it take an interception if this accusation is accurate to actually point this out? >> and that's a great point. i thought about that yesterday. i said the exact same thing. the ball has to be between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch. what does that mean exactly? it's hard to tell unless you're holding the footballs. i have two of them. one is 12.5, which is regulation size. this one is 10.5. why can't the referees who handle these footballs every
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other play, tell which ball is lighter? you really can't just by holding them. you have to mash on them or catch a football going 50 miles an hour probably to see a difference. that was something i thought, too. and i could definitely see why the refs couldn't dell. but jackson who caught a ball going 50 miles an hour, i'm sure if he pushed his thumbs in a little bit, he said, this doesn't feel like. >> it's the tools of their trade. i feel like a girl weighing in on this -- >> so do i. >> i highly doubt that. thank you for joining the program. we're continuing to follow that story as well. i think we're just at the beginning. the super bowl is coming upon us. president obama has campaigned on a message of change and some of that change is now making its way south, way down south, all the way to cuba. but the communist country is cautioning that change may not mend the ties with the united states, at least not right away because there's one big sticking point.
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i could talk to you all day. one of the emotional highlights from the president's state of the union speech last night was that salute to alan gross who's the american contractor just recently freed from a cuban prison. >> after years in prison, we are overjoyed that alan gross is back where he belongs. welcome home, alan. we're glad you're here.
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>> so now the historic talks are getting under way between the united states and cuba, arriving in havana, the highest-level u.s. delegation in decades. talks with the cuban government are aimed at eventually loosening that trade embargo that's ban in place since 1962. the meetings are scheduled for today and tomorrow. more talks likely in the future. both havana and washington will be locations for those. that's to come later. our cnn's patrick oppmann joins me live now from havana. i was just looking at some of the pictures we were rolling before we got to your live shot at the harbor and it looks like they may actually be there. can you let us know where they are in the arrivals and who's there and how big a deal this looks from the cuban perspective? >> reporter: absolutely. we've got new developments which is assistant u.s. secretary of
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state roberto jacobsen, the highest ranking u.s. official to come to cuba in over 35 years has just landed. she talked with cnn's karl penhaul at the airport and said she was delighted to be here in cuba for these historic talks. we are seeing this long u.s. policy trying to isolate cuba slowly being chipped away. the president's announcement saying he would push congress to lift the embargo and sending the highest ranking official to come to cuba in 35 years. just landing. she's going to take part in the second part of these talks. there were talks about migration concerns and ensuring that migration between cuba and the united states is safe and legal, trying to cut down on some of those risky trips you see people making on boats from florida to cuba. roberta jacobsen will focus on how the u.s. and cuba can re-establish diplomatic relations.
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u.s. officials feel it could happen quite quickly, perhaps even before april when raul castro and president obama are due to meet during the summit of the americas. cuban officials have a slightly longer wish list, pushing for more historic changes. we'll see how the negotiations play out. it's going to take a while. talking about dismantling decades of a very long-held u.s. policy towards cuba. >> already seen one handshake between raul castro and president obama. pretty historic to see the two of them meeting if when. i think a lot of americans what are watching this right now have a big question, when can i fly to cuba? can i use my american banking credit cards in cuba? how will it affect americans in the very short term? >> reporter: there's still an embargo and there are still travel restrictions. but both have been loosened. this travel restriction, some people say that basically
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president obama with a wink has done away with the travel restrictions. there are 12 categories that as of today if you say, i belong to one of these categories, maybe for religious reasons, journalism, to take part in a sporting event, some sort of conference, you can come to cuba. who's going to be checking to see you're doing that? it's going to be tough. in terms of using your american credit cards, the answer is no. this is what needs to be worked out. president obama saying he will allow people to use their credit cards but right now, if i go and use my amex, the cuban government can't accept it. so that's still some time off. >> this is such an intriguing situation to be in, seeing these first high-level meetings. keep an eye on things for us and let us know how the meetings progress if they release any information from them. other news now, it climbed at an astronomical rate and then it crashed.
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details of the terrifying last moments of doomed flight 8501 are starting to emerge because we now know that that plane was climbing at an astonishing rate, 6,000 feet per minute, twice as fast as what that plane was actually built
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for. eventually the jet stalled and plunged into the java sea, according to indonesia's transportation minister. joining me is mary schiavo. why on earth would a pilot ever consider ascending at that rate? but thirst, i have to ask you because we all think about plane crashes and what it would be like to be on board. and knowing these facts the way you know them, what would that have been like for the people on that flight? >> on the very rapid ascent, on the climb up, it would have been some "g" forces on them. they would have felt like they were being pushed down into their feeseats, maybe twice the weight. they would know something was amiss. >> and what happens the stall? what would happen once the aircraft stalled? >> when an aircraft stalls, obviously the air flow over the wings is disrupted and you don't have enough to keep the plane
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literally up in the air. and so the plane shudders. it will shudder and shake and then it falls off to one side. at that point depending upon what's going on, the pilot would put the nose down and literally dive out of the stall or it can fall off to one side, not regain control and it can flutter to the earth like a leaf or it can continue to dive straight on down. i suspect here because it broke apart into three pieces it probably came down perhaps like a leaf. >> what about the idea that a pilot would climb at that rate? we've had lots of reports of terrible weather. is there any reason why a pilot would do something this incredibly risky and dangerous? >> well, no, i don't think you would because of two reasons. one, this exceeds the climb rate, even the maximum climb rate. and remember at this high altitude, that isn't the climb rate. the climb rate at this altitude
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should have been down around 1,200 to 1,800 feet per minute. so roughly a third of the 6,000. what happens is if you exceed the climb rate, you risk losing your engines then you have no power at all. i don't think the pilots would have done that voluntarily. and the airbus should not allow the pilot to do that unless some of the usual protective overrides were shut down. >> just defies logic on so many levels and there's still so much to find out. mary, thank you for your time and for your insight. the ceo of airasia is speaking out about this tragedy. richard quest had a chance to sit down with tony fernandez and talk about the haunting moment that he learned that his airline had lost flight 8501. >> at that moment of that phone call, it will haunt me forever. we've carried 250 million people, 13 years very safely and
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it is not something that you can really put into words when that call comes through. >> so far, the bodies of 53 of the 162 people who are on board have been recovered and there are still so many questions still left to be answered. so what was normal at one time may now be considered neglect and illegal. coming up, we'll talk with some parents who say they let their kids walk from a park, just walk home from a park, about a mile, without a grown-up. and they wound up being investigated by child protective services for it. so is this the kind of law that you envision in your community, free-range parenting, have you heard of it? is it okay? is it illegal? and where do you come down on letting your kids get a little freedom? that's next. ♪ nineteen years ago, we thought,
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a mother and father in silver spring, maryland, are under investigation for child neglect for something that was considered pretty normal 20 years ago. they let their son and daughter walk home alone from a playground on a saturday afternoon last month, about a mile. an the children told their story to "the washington post." >> my name is rafi.
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and i'm 10 years old. >> my name is devora and i am 6. and i am in first grade. >> so we were driving home from somewhere, me and my dad and my sister. we drove past the park on spring and georgia. and we stopped and i said, dad, can you please drop us off here so we can play a little and walk home? >> so dad agreed, no problem. but someone reported it to the police. >> what are you doing here? i said, we're walking home. and he said, is your home close? yeah. i said, yeah. it's just down the street. he said, okay, we need to talk to your dad. >> so the kids got a ride home but it was in a police car. and now child protective services is involved in this
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whole endeavor. their mother, danielle meitiv, joins me from washington, kelly wallace is here and hln legal analyst joey jackson both live with me in new york. danielle, where does this case stand right now? are you in trouble? >> we don't know. so far, cps has threatened us and showed up at our door with a police officer. so i'd say we're pretty much in trouble. we're not sure what the next steps are. we have a meeting with them either this week or next week and then we'll find out what they think. >> in light of everything that's happened since this walk home, do you think you did anything wrong? >> absolutely not. all we did was let our kids go to the park. we're just amazed that this is such a big deal and that this is considered neglect because this is what we do. >> have you been told by any of the government officials that you have to behave in a certain way until this is somehow adjudicated? >> they haven't said right now, although i'm sure they wouldn't like it if we did it again. at the time when my husband
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spoke to them on december 20th, they made us sign a plan -- he said f you don't sign this plan, we're taking the kids and that said the children must be supervised at all times. i don't know if that's still in effect. we don't know what they want from us at this point. >> i'm going to bring in kelly wallace with the government position on this. they've weighed in. you're writing and covering this case. >> yes, exactly. no surprise, they say because of state confidentiality laws they can't comment on the specifics of this case. but the montgomery county department of health and human services also went on to say that like all departments of social services in maryland, montgomery county child protective services is required to respond to all calls from community members and law enforcement about possible neglect and they go on to say that neglect means that if by leaving the child unattended the child was facing any risk of harm or any mental injury and that that's what they're looking into. >> when it comes to unattended, it's a sticky wicket. not every state has laws.
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in fact, most states do not have laws about leaving your children unattended, which is interesting, particularly in the home. let me read maryland's unattended children law. children under 8 may not be left unattended in a house or a car. >> a-ha! >> parents who violate could be convicted of a misdemeanor punishable by up to a $500 fine or up to 30 days in jail or both. but not a sidewalk. >> danielle, you have beautiful children, how wonderful was that interview? >> thank you. >> you're more than welcome. we just wanted to go to the park and all of a sudden the police came. advice for danielle, not that she needs any, continue to love, cherish and care for your children. what does the law say? true to kelly's point, it says, if you're subjecting your children to unreasonable harm, we have a right to step in. what the government does is it
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balances very important principles. number one, the right of a parent to care for the child and to impart values they think are most appropriate. we all have the values are we impart. but there's the recognition the government can step in but if the risk is unreasonable. and that statute, nonapplicable. they're outside, they're not in a home, not in a car, strict letter of the statute -- >> we found you a lawyer. we found your attorney. >> he's hired! he's hired! but part of this is all getting out of hand. what is happening to danielle and her family is not the first case. we had a south carolina mom arrested for leaving her 9-year-old alone in a park. a mom in florida arrested for leaving her 7-year-old in a park and letting him walk home. are parents being investigated or arrested for doing something we did 20 years ago when crime was much lower than it is today. >> my sister and i took the city bus by ourselves. i was in first grade, she was in
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fifth, every day we loaded ourselves onto the city bus and went downtown to a sketchy neighborhood -- >> and ashleigh is still here. >> lived to tell about it. danielle, the reason i ask you that is because i was afraid to let my children walk to school and the school's across the street. times have changed. we get all sorts of awful reports about children who are picked out of their bedrooms. god forbid, they're picked out of their bedrooms, picked off the street, picked off in parks and they're picked off on sidewalks. i'm just wondering, have we changed as a society because we're more aware of predators and does that not play into this whole metric? >> i think that's exactly right. i think that because we see it all the time, because it's really exciting news when it does happen, we think it happens more often than it really does and we're overestimating the danger posed to our kids and underestimating them. the world is a lot safer now. i grew up in new york city. and i was allowed to do the same thing, take buses. and crime was higher then. so i don't see why my kids can't
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do it now when the world is actually safer. >> how many of us remember the rule, home by streetlights? everybody of our age i mention that to, they all heard that. >> and i never listened. >> and look how well you've done, joey. thank you to all three of you. danielle meitiv, keep us posted on your case. kelly, great coverage on that. and joey, you're awesome. nothing else to say. >> you're fabulous. thank you. >> check out kelly's piece on danielle's story at cnn.com. thanks for being with us. "wolf" starts after this quick break. meet the world's newest energy
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