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busy. who doesn't love cowboy hats and boots. love to wear them. anthony? >> started shooting "captain america 3" in a few months. i'll be falconing back up again. >> exciting. thank you so much kevin, anthony, thank you. >> very fun talking to them. that's right, first name basis now. hey, kevin costner believed in "black or white" so far he largely financed the whole thing. see it next friday. thanks so much. much more of "news room" up straight ahead. hi everyone you're in the cnn news room i'm poppy harlow. ice sis may be testing a new strategy after a chilling new video of two hos tamgs is revealed. the video appears to announce that only one hostage is still alive now that a ransom deadline
for $200 million has passed. cnn is not airing the extraordinary graphic new video in which hostage kenji goto is holding a photograph appearing to show his fellow hostage beheaded. isis released images of the two hostages more than one week ago. in the new video released today, isis relayed a brand new demand to keep remaining hostage alive, and it is not money. it is not weapons. isis wants a woman prisoner. this is the woman you see. she was arrested in jordan in 2005 on suspension of trying to participate in a deadly attack that killed dozens in jordan. why is this woman so important to isis? our expert panel tackles that topic in moments. also thousands of miles away four new terrorist suspects are in custody, spain, spanish sports arrested two sets of brothers today in a remote area bordering mori rock koe. the brothers were ready to below
themselves up and take other lives as well. just ahead, we'll talk about the similarities with the recent "charlie hebdo" attack in paris. we'll cover every angle, teams are on the ground with the latest information, we are live in tokyo, and al goodman live for us in madrid. beginning with will will to you, this is apal and, unfortunately, it is what we have come to see from isis time and time again. how is japan reacting to the new demand from isis to keep the second hostage alive? >> reporter: outrage, poppy. even know the japanese government has yet to authenticate the video, we heard from the prime minister and top officials strongly condemning this video. the prime minister said he was speechless thinking about the agony these families are going through right now, but we -- you know another key point here is that they need to investigate this video because it is very different, as you mentioned, from any of the other isis videos we're used to seeing. the high production videos with
an isis logo stamped on the screen. this has none of that. it's a still picture with a voice alleging to be kenji goto but they have to compare this tape to other tapes from reports he filed from war zones over the years, see if the photos have been altered in any way. for the family the possibility there's a graphic video of his decapitated body on the internet, devastateing, devastating for them. for his wife and who is home with two daughters including a newborn, this voice spoke directly to her saying he could be a dead man walk and urging her to pressure the japanese government to prush the prime minister for release. he said if they trade me for her, i could be a free man. unthinkable, poppy. >> it is unthinkable. also what changed dramatically isis asked the japanese government in order to get the
two citizens back you have to pay us $200 million, and now they changed that demand. they want this iraqi woman prisoner in jordan for her attempt to detonate a bomb strapped to her confessing to it on television. ultimately the attack with her husband killed some 60 people. any sense of why isis shifted a demand and do you think they have a chance of getting jordan to release her? clearly, they decided there's no way, and we knew from the beginning it was impossible a $200 million ransom would be paid. some say it's a symbolic number because that's what japan contributes to the fight against isis in humanitarian aid. we know that the prime minister had at least one phone conversation several hours ago with the king of jordan. we also know that he has been again, in emergency meetings with the cabinet. but how much pressure can they put on jordan to release a
convicted terrorist of an attack that killed dozens of people. what's to note this video does not give a timeline a 72 hour time line like seen in previous videos. as long as they feel that they can use him to leverage the japanese government this could drag on and on or end tragically. >> well it is a tragedy what happened the life lost. thank you very much will ripley live in tokyo this evening. appreciate it. let's address the situation in spain, 40 people have been arrested in raids across europe since last month's massacre at "charlie hebdo" in france and now police picked up two brothers in spain who say they belonged it a terror cell and willing to blow themselves up. al what do we know about the brothers? >> reporter: hi, poppy.
well the difference here according to the authorities is just that. they were willing to carry out an attack here in spain in europe. that's a big difference from what's happened in spain inspect last year. dozens arrested islamic mill tonights for allegedly recruitment, logistics, and now we have this. the interior minister also said they were highly radicalized, had training in weapons, mental and physical training but they are not sure exactly how much other infrastructure they had. that's what they are looking at now. poppy? >> in terms of any charges brought against themself it's early going. this happened today, of course it's 9:00 at night, but are there conversation charges they are considering at this time? >> reporter: well the first charge based on the scant police notes that have come out would be membership in a terrorist group, that they can hold the people for several days, three days, and do interrogations a standard procedure before they bring him into a judge. this was all run by the
basically the court that handles terrorism cases, so it's the most serious, and it was happening in the territories, spanish territories on the north coast considered a front line in the fight against terrorism. this is why all the pieces are falling in place. poppy? >> live in spain, al we'll get back to you later in the program. right now, for all you watching at home this is a live press conference of bill belichick speaking at this moment. let's listen in. >> it's clear that i don't know very much about this area. over the last few days i've learned a lot more than i ever knew, like exponentially more. i feel this is important because there's been questions raised and i believe now 100% that i
have permly and we as an organization have absolutely followed every rule to the letter and i feel on behalf of everyone in the organization, everyone that's involved in this organization that we need to say something, so i've talked to and gathered a lot of information from members of our staff. i have talked to other people familiar with this subject in other organizations, and we have performed an internal study of the process and i think there's certainly other things that i can do and there's maybe other research that can be done but i
say i have enough information to share with you, and so based on the events of today, i feel like now's the time to do it rather than wait. i know this is an impromptu thing, but that's just the way it worked out. first of all, let me start with the process. as tom explained on thursday i think the most important part of the football for the quarterback is the feel of the ball. i don't think there's question about that, and the exterior feel of the ball is not only critical but it's also very easily identifiable. when i feel a football i can feel a difference between slippery and tacky. i can feel the difference between the texture of the ball of how -- what degree it's broken in. put five balls out there, which ball is broken in the most and the least, that's easy to identify. that is the essence of the
preparation. we prepare our balls over time and we use them in practice. that preparation, process continues right up until the balls are given to the officials prior to the game. that's when they are finalized. if i could use that word. i would say that in that process i have handled a dozens of balls over the last week. the balls are easy to identify but the pressure of the balls is a different story. it's much more difficult to feel or identify. so the focus of our pregame preparations for the footballs is based on texture and feel and i think tom went into that extensively on thursday and he
obviously, could go through it a lot better than i can because he's the one that touched them but that's the heart of the process. so we simulated a game day situation in terms of the preparation of the footballs and where the footballs were at various points in time during the day or night as the case was sunday and i would say that our preparation process for the footballs is what we do all right, i can't speak for anybody else. it's what we do and that pro process we found raises the psi approximately 1 pound. so that process of creating a tackiness, a texture, a feel -- whatever the feel is it's just a sensation for the quarterback,
what's the right feel that process elevates the psi approximately 1 pound based on what our study shows, which was multiple balls, multiple examples in the process as we would do for a game. it's not one football. when the balls are delivered to the officials locker room the firsts were asked to inflate them to 12.5 psi. what exactly they did, i don't know but for the purposes of our study, that's what we did. we set them at 12.5. that's at the discretion of the official though regardless of what we ask for, it's the officials' discretion to put them where he wants. again, that's done in a controlled climate. the footballs are prepared in our locker room. they are delivered to the
officials' locker room, a controlled environment. it's whatever we have here is what we have there. when the footballs go out on the field into the game conditions whatever those conditions are, hot and humid, whether it's cold and damp where's it's cold and dry, whether it's whatever it is, that's where the footballs are played with and that's where the measurements would be different than what they are, possibly different than what they are in a controlled environment. that's what we found. we found that once the balls, the footballs were on the field over an extended period of time in other words, they were adjusted to the climatic conditions and also the fact that the balls reached and e equilibrium without the rubbing process that after that had run
its course and the balls reached an equilibrium, the bams were down approximately 1.5 square inch. bringing the balls in after the process and retested them in a controlled environment as we have here then those measurements rose approximately one-half pound per square inch so the net of 1.5 back to a half is approximately 1 pound per square inch to one and a half. now, we all know that air pressure is a function of the atmospheric conditions. it's a function of that. so if there's activity in the ball relative to the rubbing process, i think that explains why, when we gave them to the officials, and the officials put it out, let's say 12.5 that
once the ball reached its equilibrium state, it was closer to 11.5 but that's again, that's just our measurements. we can't speak specifically to what happened because we are not -- have no way of touching the footballs other than once the officials have them we don't touch them kpecht for when we play with them in the game. but it's similar to the concept of when you get into your car and the light comes on and it says low tire pressure because the car's been sitting in the driveway outside, overnight, and you start it up drive, and the light goes off. it's a similar concept to that. so atmospheric conditions and true e quill librium of the ball is critical to the measurement. at no time was -- were any of the footballs prepared anywhere
other than in the locker room or in an area close to that. never in a heated room or heated condition. that's absolutely never taken place to anyone's knowledge or recollection and i mean, that's just -- didn't happen. when you measure a football there are a number of different issues that have -- that come up. number one, gauges there are multiple types of gauges and the accuracy of one gauge relative to another is -- there's variance there. we're talking about air pressure all right? so there's some variance there. clearly, all footballs are different. so footballs that come out of the similar pack, a similar box, a similar preparation, each ball has its own unique characteristics because it's not
a manmade piece of equipment. it's a piece of skin. it's a bladder. it's stitching. it's laces. each has its own set of unique characteristics so whatever you do with that football if you do the same thing to another one, it might be close, but there's a variance between each individual football. football. it is not measured during the game. we have no way of knowing until we went through this exercise that this is really taking place. so when we hand the balls to the officials, the officials put them at whatever they put them at, say it's 12.5 that's where they put them and then the air pressure at that point from then on until the end of the game we have no knowledge of.
it's never been a concern. so what is a concern is the texture of the footballs, and, again, that's the point that tom hit on hard on thursday. we had our quarterbacks look at a number of footballs, and they were unable to differentiate a 1 pound per square inch difference in the footballs. they were unable to do it. on a 2 pound differential there was some degree of differentiation, but certainly not a consistent one. a couple ones they could pick out, but they were wrong on some of the other ones that they had, so you're welcome to do that yourself. i can tell you from all the footballs i handled over the last week i can't tell the difference if there's a one pound difference or half pound difference in any of the
footballs. again, anyone who has seen us practice knows that we make it harder not easier to handle the ball and our players train in conditions that a lot of people would recommend that benot drive in. that's what they did. they are a physically and mentally tough team that works hard that trains hard that prepares hard and have met every challenge that i put in front of them. i know that because i work them every day. this team was the best team in the afc in the regular season. we won two games in the playoffs against two good football teams, best team in the post season, and that's what this team is.
i know that because i've been with them every day. i'm proud of this team. i just want to share with you what i learned over the past week. i'm embarrassed about the talk of the amount of time i've put into this relative to the other important challenge in prompt of us. i'm not a scientist. i'm not an expert in footballs. i'm not an expert in football measure measurements. i'm just telling you what i know. i would not say i'm mona lisa of the football world as she was in the car expertise area all right? at no time was there any intent whatsoever to compromise the integrity of the game or gain an advantage. quite the opposite. we feel like we followed the rules of the game to the letter
in our preparations and procedures all right, and in the way that we handle every game that we competitively played in as it relates to this matter all right? we try to do everything right. we air on the side of caution. it's been that way now for many years, anything that's close, we stay as far away from the line as we can. in this case i can say that we are as far as i know and everything that i can do we did everything as right as we could do it. we welcome the league's investigation into this matter but we think there's a number of things that need to be looked into on a number of levels but that's not for this conversation. i'm sure it'll be taken up at another point in time and this is the end of this subject for me for a long time.
okay? we have a huge game a huge challenge for our football team and that's where that focus is going to go. i've spent more than enough time on this, and i'm happy to share this information with you to try to tell you some of the things that i learned over the last week which i've learn the way more than i ever thought i would learn. the process, the whole thing is much more complex and -- i mean, there's a lot of variables i was unaware of. it sounds simple. i'm not trying to say we're trying to lands on the moon but there's a lot of things here that are a little hard to get a handle on and, again, there's a variance in so many of these things. all right. so take a couple questions, and then i'm moving on. >> did the nfl share be you the
pregame documented -- >> you have to talk to the nfl about anything they did or didn't do. >> you don't know if they documented it? >> look tom, we could sit here and talk about some of this stuff for two hours, all right, you want to ask the league any questions about what they do or don't do, ask the league. i'm telling you what i learned, and the study that we've done and the experience that i've had over the last few days in looking into this matter. that's all i can tell ya. i'm not a scientist. i'm not a league official. >> i told you what i think. that's what i think right there. >> do you think the super bowl has been compromised at all? there's a lot of game planning -- >> i spent a lot of the weekend game planning yeah.
we addressed it. >> well i think, look you can take the atmospheric conditions out of it because if the balls are measured in the same atmospheric conditions then it's a nonfactor. measure a ball in the controlled condition like this and measure a ball, and let's say the night we played baltimore, there's no way they are the same. you take that ball and set it outside and the ball becomes acustomed to the climatic conditions and temperatures there's no way it's the same. take it out, bring it in let it sit for kpxx amount of time it probably is the same. no that's not the issue.
although depending where balls were measured and how they were measured that's another discussion. no the situation is the preparation of the ball caused the ball to be artificially high in psi when it was set to the regulation -- regulated level, and then it reached its e quill librium later on two hours into the game whatever it was, that that level was below what was set in this climatic condition. i think that's exactly what happened. i think anybody who wants to do those experiments should go ahead and do them themselves. don't take my word for it. i'm telling you, like we have not -- we're trying to get to the answer to this and that's what we have.
>> i'm just -- guys giving signals out in front of 80,000 people okay? we filmed him taking signals out in front of 80,000 people like there were a lot of other teams doing at the time too. forget about that. if we were wrong, then we've been disciplined for that. >> clearly not trying to do everything you can to stay on the sidelines. >> guy's in front of 80,000 people. 80,000 people saw it. everybody on the sideline saw it. everyone sees our guy in front of 80,000 people. there he is. so it was wrong. we were disciplined for it. that's it. we never did it again. we're never going to do it again, and anything else close, we're not going to do either. >> i'm talking about what you said the -- >> we always do. we always have. i mean anything that's remotely close, we're on the side of caution. >> coach, it was talked about today, did you have science people help you with the investigation?
>> we talked to a lot of people. >> how much time it you spend on it. >> i don't know. i didn't log it. >> can you clarify what you found with your investigation -- >> i didn't look. i came in here thursday and i told you that i did not have any answers. i just -- i'm very confident in the things we've talked about, the study that we did, the going through with a fine tooth comb for everything. i'm 100% confident on everything that i told you. that's what i believe. that's what i know. that's what it is. i'm as transparent as i can be on this one, period. >> is that a yes, that you feel relieved by what -- >> look i did what i did. no, i'm not using those adjectives. i told you what i did. that's what it is. >> is there one thing you did to cause it to rise 1.5, the heat -- >> it was never put in front of
a heater i just said that tom. >> whatever you do to prepare the ball -- >> you rub it you get the texture the way the quarterbackments it. >> trying to establish it -- >> i just said that tom, and i said in no timefuls was the ball ever put in a heated environment. >> okay. you rub it vigorously? >> we rub it to get the ball to the proper texture. yes. i mean i don't know. what's vigorous? what's not vigorous? we're not polishing fine china here. it's the proper texture that the quarterback mentwants to grip it. does that stimulate the ball to rise to some sort of psi? i say, yes, it does. >> i'm curious, what do you do to go forward? air on the side of caution? >> well that's another -- you're getting into another whole area here. you're getting into another whole area relating to the next
game. yep? that's exactly right. i couldn't and that's exactly why, exactly why this whole process was done for that very reason. and i don't know the answer to that question but that's a very important question. yes? okay. all right, thank you. all right, you've just been listening to a live press conference from pea tree yachts' coach bill belichick, first time we heard from him since thursday. a few highlights and our experts will discuss saying 100% i personally and we as an organization followed every rule to a letter talking about the controversy about whether anyone on the team intentionally deflated the footballs in their last game. the game that they won, to head to the super bowl and he also said that the process they followed was that officials were asked to inflate the balls, the patriots' footballs, to 12.5 psi
within regulation and then they said what they did after that i don't know. he also talk about the air pressure in the balls being a function of atmospheric conditions. of course, there was quite a lot of inclement weather in the game and 100% standing behind the teach, his organization saying we did nothing improper here. he said he welcomes the league's investigation into the matter and he said this is the end of the subject for me for a very long time. let's bring in khristine brennan, cnn sports analyst and expert. thank you for being with us. first, you listened to that as well. what's your reaction to what we heard from coach belichick? >> that was surreal. i mean if we thought this story was weird and strange bizarre all week it got weirder and stranger today. this impromptu press conference by a man not known for softness or kindness obviously, bill belichick is discussed. he didn't want to go into this
preparing for the super bowl and he gave a science lecture, the likes of which we have not heard since our freshmen year of college, and, you know it really kind of summed up everything we feel about this week. if you can't stand bill belichick or cannot stand the patriots and think they cheated and lied well you got it there, and if you're fed up with the story and don't think it's a big deal bill's with you there. i think the one thing, poppy, that comes back to me still on this is air pressure the weather, all of the things that bill talked about, credible and interesting even. bizarre as they were that the issue is why didn't this affect the footballs being used by the indianapolis colts? why was it only the patriots' football that had this drop in pressure and that obviously, is something we still do not know the answer to. >> it's a great question. wish you were in the room to ask
that. none of the reporters that got questions in did ask that. we don't have his response to that. do you find it odd that he did this really spur of the moment very impromptu, we just learned this press conference was coming in the last hour. why do it like that? >> caller: well it sounds like without knowing, i'm not there, of course neither you or i are there, but finished up the work on this and belichick has had it. i think we can safely say that bill belichick is absolutely had it. he's at wit's end. it's like the world's longest day at work you come home and you don't want to talk to anybody, and that's where he was. by the way i'm not saying this is not serious, but you do have to have moments where you laugh or kind of say, my goodness, what are we watching here? my sense is that belichick said, we got it let's do it. he's at wit's end, and so he wants to just do this on his terms. nothing new there.
bill belichick of the patriots doing what they want when they want to brash, not necessarily apologizing, being their own biggest advocates. standard operating procedures for the patriots, and i believe if the nfl did not know the press conference was coming i have to believe they are not happy about the press conference because they are still investigating, so the plot thickens and the patriots being the patriots, their way,.cc their own thing, we saw the example of them saying we don't care what they think, we're doing a press conference right now. >> is this taking the focus off preparing for the super bowl and he said, no, doing plenty of preparing, and said this is the end of the subject for me for a long time, but, christine, tuesday is media day, ahead of the super bowl the only way not asked about this is if he doesn't have a press conference. that's not likely to happen is it? >> caller: this is not the end for him at all or close to the
end. the timing couldn't be more interesting. it's saturday. everyone is going to the super bowl tomorrow or monday -- media people -- i'm going monday night, and when i arrive tuesday, that is of course the press conference meet day, it's a ridiculous american cultural ritual anyway and now throw this story into the mix, you -- he's not done with it today, bill belichick will not be done with it but tuesday, he will not be done with it by next sunday and frankly, will never be done with it again. this is his legacy again, whether it's ridiculous or important, he'll deal with this or trailing him on wikipedia entries the lest of his life so it's not over, but i do understand from his perspective, look at that for just a moment i do understand a man who is try -- coaches do not like distractions. they want to be focused on xs
and os, so one can imagine how angry he is over this going on. that's a chance to say, hey, i'm done with it. we have another say in the manner. >> let me ask you this. he was asked by the reporter at the end of his statement, whether this is a team that always follows the letter of the law, following spygate, bill himself fined for there being spying in the organization years ago on other teams. do you think that should be part of this conversation? >> caller: i do. i think pats' history is a part of the conversation. if it was a squeaky clean team throughout the entire existence, i don't know who that would be maybe there's one or two teams out there in the nfl, it would be a different reaction. because it's the patriots and bill belichick, because of the history of spygate, and the confidence saying hey, this is what we do and, you know we
are not necessarily apologizing for it what have you, which, by the way, good for them on levels. patriots are at the top. they have every right if they want to be confident and about things okay. the case of spygate, that story, you saw there where bill belichick said 80,000 people saw it we apologize, everyone's doing it but we paid the price, but everyone's doing it, he's still reluctant to cave in on that one, and so i think it's absolutely you have history, bottom line on anything these days as we know with the internet. it's never going to go away. you'll live with it forever, and because it was such a big deal years ago, and now this is a big deal it's actually appropriate and proper that we would be discussing both situations when we talk about this one. >> one of the things that he was asked is one of the reporters says did you speak to any scientists in this investigation investigation, and he did not directly answer that. he said we spoke to a lot of
people yet he came out and gave a scientific analysis for someone who admittedly say he's not a scientist or expert in footballs in terms of you know how far they are inflated or not. did you fine that surprising he was not more forth coming with the people that had done this internal investigation? >> caller:ives surprised. it seems to me if you go to these leptss on a saturday afternoon for a press conference covered by cnn and many other networks that you would then say, here is who we talked to mit, talked to this person harvard, and talked to person boston university and talked to this person. that makes perfect sense to do that. they didn't do that. that opens the question of who they spoke to. i assume some reporters, maybe the beat writers get the answers, but in addition to why the colts' footballs were different in the same atmosphere atmosphere. yeah who were the sources, who did they speak with i want that full list of people. i think that's helpful. my sense is poppy, we'll get
that information. >> here's the thing. we are a week and day out from the super bowl right? so the nfl has left this investigation open ended. when you look at the investigation, bullying with the miami dolphins you took three months. it's not likely we get an answer from the nfl before super bowl sunday. in terms of fines, penalties, if indeed it's found anyone ob the patriots patriots' team broke the rules here acted improperly the penalty has a fine. is that what penalties should be in this day and age in sports when you talk both the seriousness of playing the game fair? >> well certainly, we've seen in the past belichick was fined heavily $500,000 and patriots $250,000 and a draft pick for spygate. it's important we start to figure out how egregious this was. as we know many other people play the game not media people like me and you, but playing the
game football players talked about this is no big deal. others say it is a big deal. some say they can figure out the difference in the psi, others cannot. there's been times this whole week where i wondered do we laugh out loud or take it incredibly seriously. america feels that way. how big a deal is it? ridiculous we're spending time on it? is it important? i do think the answers will come. orvel, the nfl's looking into this. one hopes it comes soon, but with the super bowl i'm not expecting that necessarily. i expect fines, yes, does it come to the level of losing draft picks or suspending people? i don't think we have the answer to that yet because so far tom brady says he did nothing wrong, and belichick said twice he did nothing wrong and the patriots did nothing wrong. if no one did anything wrong, obviously, if they can't find the answer, you can't throw suspensions at people. the jury is out on that.
i think, again, this is something that we'll be following, obviously, we can't let it go for a moment and then i think it's clear once answers are there whether there's fines, suspensions, or business as usual and every team is doing it. i hope that that's where there's clarity in the more bizarre story i have ever covered. >> it's important to point out two things. remember this was found out in the midst of the game and the balls were properly inflated to the correct, you know league levels, and that thepats won the game, and in the second half of the game playing with the balls at regulation inflation. let's talk about what tom brady said in the press conference thursday. he was asked that question you discussed. is the media blowing this out of proportion proportion. he said, quote, it is serious, it is a very serious topic, and the integrity of the sport is
very important. so tom brady, quarterback of the patriots saying this is really important. we need to get to the bottom of this. >> caller: i think the reason we saw that is because he laughed it off on the radio show monday which, also he had no idea what a big deal it was becoming. none of us had an idea. it's important for the media to say we're coming along here too realizing it's becoming a huge story whether, again, shockingly in some ways. integrity is -- i mean, to make it clear, integrity of any sporting event or anything we do is hugely important, especially this year of all years in the nfl when we had the start of the season in september with the ray rice elevator video. thankfully this story deflategate is nowhere near as important as the ray race issue and domestic violence issue, but this does not come close to the issue that's hugely important societal issue that the conversation, national conversation we've all had over
domestic violent because of the ray rice video on september 8th and on one note the common denominator there is the integrity of the league. that is why this story coming at this time in this story of the season is getting the attention that it deserves. i say it does deserve it and why integrity matters not just this issue, but because what happened in the season already in the national football league. >> christine brennan, stand by i want to bring into the confers joining us on the phone as well your reaction thus far, the headlines, you did not hear the whole thing, but headlines from the bill belichick press conference saying i, personally, and we as organization followed every rule to a letter saying air pressure is an atmospheric condition. we asked officials to bring the balls up to 12.5 psi. what they did after that i don't know. your reaction?
>> caller: well problem is that is through the lens of spygate, and once you've had that happen to your legacy to your franchise, everything you say going forward is just going to be looked at with more scrutiny. had the league not destroyed the tape. had you not been fined the highest amount of money in league history, had you not had the admission of guilt to cheating before perhaps this does get swept under the rug like a mistake of atmospheric pressure whatever but the franchise brought this on themselves. they have to deal with the fallout any time that you're in a position to be called a cheater. you have to address those accusations because you've been caught and admitted it before. >> can we talk about the second half? fact is fact? second half of the game balls were inflated to the regulation standard for the league. should we take that into account
as we discuss this and as we wait for answers from the nfl? >> caller: you know, anyone who covers sports tells you that no game is decided by one play or not even necessarily one player. no team sport, and so it's very difficult to look at one-half of a football game and say, well we can discount the first half. things established in the first half would impact how a team is going to respond in the second half. case in point, if certain throws are easier if certain catches are easier because the ball is easier the team's going to make judgments based on what played out in the first half. am i saying that and alleged deflated ball is the complete reason why they were shut out in the second half no but what i am saying is you can't untangle this particular web. that's like saying barry bonds
had a hall of fame career prior to where he allegedly started taking steroids so he should let out of the leek. no it does not work that way. i understand that you may have had the numbers in one-half versus the second half but that impacts the entirety of how you look at a game. >> so christine, weigh in on this as well. we heard on thursday from coach bill belichick, again today, and from tom brady. we have not heard from tom brady since then. we may before the super bowl but, you know understandably listening to bill belichick, as you said comes with the background of spygate and the penalty that he paid. what about listening to tom brady? should that play into the credibility we give to tom brady, though? >> caller: well i would tell you this and i'm a half basketball playerment anyone who plays hack basketball can tell the difference in ball pressure as soon as you touch the ball. trying to get a better
basketball to play with. i'm a hack tennis player. i can tell within three strokes whether the tension in the strains need to be adjusted or not or grab a different racket. no one who played any sort of sports consistently believes someone's livly hood is based upon -- especially that's the specifications of their football didn't notice that the ball was at a certain pressure no one is buying that feeding into why we continue to press with this deflategate, because a couple things both these individuals have said just does not add up or make sense. >> christine, your take? >> caller: yeah i -- well i agree on most things and i do on this as well and, i mean, you know, brady came out there and said what he said. we as journalists listen and that's what he said and right now, he says he had nothing to do with this and doesn't know how it happened. i know there is a real -- whether it's -- two schools of
thought here in terms of you know some say i couldn't tell the difference in pressure some could. brady, obviously, you know you would think he could. you also understand they are busy in the mid ofdle of a game trying to win a game and not thinking about the pressure if in fact brady had nothing to do with it. i think because of brady -- the bigger issue here brady's golden boy personality, the golden boy ora about him, i think he has more scrutiny brought to him with the sense that okay is he telling truth, or is he not? he has an image that's been pretty perfect, and is that going to change? we will get the answer to that. again, i don't know we know a lot, enough now. but we will and going forward, here comes the super bowl as you said earlier, poppy. here comes media day. this is going to just be every question. i cannot imagine tom brady's going to get anything but this except this and how it relates to preparation for the game on
sunday. it's not over. people say oh my gosh i wish it was over but it's not. getting to the issue of integrity, as much as it is about inflating footballs, i think it shouldn't be over because this is what we do. if you can't trust the games that you're watching if you can't as was mentioned steroids you can't trust that you're watching a unaltered product on the field of play then what do we have? what are you spending money on as fans? that's the reason why we continue to pursue things. i promise i will but as far as brady, his image is hanging in the balance here and i think there's a lot that we're going to have to find out to see which way it goes. >> cnn sport animal us and commentator, thank you for that stay with us as we follow this throughout the evening here on cnn. a quick break, and we're back in a moment.
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we are learning that norad fighter jets have escorted two airline flights to atlanta's hartsfield-jackson airport. this is related to credible security threats. passengers at this moment being taken off the planes. they have landed safely both flights there at atlanta's airport. what we're looking at is an norad spokesperson saying the plane's intended destination was atlanta so there was no diversion. also bomb disposal crews are inspecting the planes. joining me now on the phone aviation correspondent rene marsh. rene what do we know about the threat that was called in? we know one flight is a delta flight one flight a southwest flight. >> reporter: that's correct. and we know, poppy that they were apparently, according to my sources, these threats were posted on social media. and that is the route they used to get this information out. of course at the time that the social media bomb threats were posted these aircraft were in the sky at that moment bound for
atlanta's harts field airport. you mentioned the two fighter jets called into play to escort these two aircrafts until they land safely on the ground at atlanta's hartsfield-jackson airport. this is all procedure. this is what happens when you have a threat such as this one with the passengers and the aircraft in the air as they do not want to take chances. i will say that this sort of threat especially via social media, it happens. it happens a lot. unfortunately, way too often according to many of the people i speak to in the industry who have to essentially respond to this sort of thing. many times it works out that there is an all clear once they've searched the aircraft. however, in this day and age, authorities, law enforcement, airlines airports they don't want to take that chance. so whenever there's this sort of threat on social media, you take
it very seriously. and both airlines telling us that the process is going on at this point in which they're essentially going through, making sure that there is no bomb on board these two aircraft poppy. >> and for our viewers, rene stay with me. for our viewers you're looking at live pictures from a tower at hartsfield-jackson international airport. passengers being deplaned from that delta flight 1156 landing safely there in atlanta. also southwest flight 2492 landing safely passengers deplaning there as well. rene let me ask you this, rene. when you're a passenger on the plane, whether they saw those fighter jets side by side with their planes it would be incredibly unnerving. at the same time do we have any sense if the pilot or the flight attendants said anything to the passengers while they were on board or if as they deplane now they will just be learning what has happened? >> reporter: it is unclear at
this point what was communicated to the people on board. you mentioned the fighter jets. i mean if they looked out of their windows most likely they would see that. i'm sure many would begin to ask questions. i'm going to bet that the people getting off of the plane that you're looking at there on your screen now are aware of this security situation, as i'm sure canine bomb sniffing dogs will be brought in as they try to screen this aircraft. so it is a tense and scary moment for the passengers coming off the plane. if you just think back to just last weekend at jfk airport, similar situation. bomb threats on social media. once the plane was on the ground there at jfk, it was screened it was swept, and they found thought was all clear. but again, this just goes to show you this happens so much. but again, i can't stress in the environment that we're in now, even if they find that this is
all clear, the thing is law enforcement, no one wants to take chance. so i can guess all the folks that are on the ground leaving this aircraft are taking this threat very seriously. as for the fighter jets their role simply when they're scrambled in a situation like this was to keep their eyes on the aircraft while it's in the air. are they observing anything? perhaps they may have also been in contact with the pilot to get a sense as to what's going on on board. but when these military jets are scrambled, their sole purpose is to escort the plane and make sure that they keep their eyes on the plane until the moment that it is safely on the ground. that's what we saw so far. so now the next stage is making sure that nothing is found on board this plane. >> and we know that bomb disposal units, also canine units are inspecting the aircraft right now. as we can see passengers deplaning safely let me go to mary schiavo. thank you, rene marsh.
cnn aviation analyst mary schiavo joining me on the phone. rene said these threats are posted regularly on social media. but it's not often we see fighter jets scrambled and planes landing in a remote part of the airport, now being swept for potential bombs due to the threat. what is your take on how officials determine the credibility of this one in order to scramble those jets? >> reporter: well part of the consideration they have to make is what's going on in the world. and that threat level worldwide. within the last week there have been other threats. i believe within a week there were some in london and other plateses places in the world. given the threats with isis and al qaeda i don't think they had a choice at all. posting a bomb threat on social media makes one wonder about the sanity of the person doing it and whether they're really a trained terrorist. but i think in this particular time the authorities just don't
have a choice. they have to do that. and many bomb threats, they scramble fighter jets and escort them back. because often the threat is used -- in the past was used to try to commandeer the plane. i think they pretty much have to do it given the world situation. >> for our viewers just joining us covering this news just into cnn of two passengers plane that is have safely landed at atlanta's hartsfield-jackson international airport, delta flight 1156 southwest airlines flight 2492. f-16 fighter jets scrambled due to concerns due to threats found on social media according to our rene marsh that there may be endanger that there may be a bomb on board. right now they are sweeping those planes. mary schiavo, can you walk us through what is happening now as these passengers get off? what do the authorities do as soon as everyone is off the plane? >> well unfortunately to the passengers they're going to have to be interviewed. what the authorities are going to do is are going to sequester
them. they have the authority to do that. it's been a credible threat. that was determined by the fbi. they determined it's a credible threat. to do the response they did with the fighter jets. so the persons will be interviewed. because not only to determine if they had any connection to the person making the threats, but if they were the subject of the threats. terrorism can be not just international terrorism or terrorism of extremists or people wanting to threaten or harm the united states. the very first bombing, of course was someone trying to collect an insurance policy. so those persons are going to have to be interviewed. and fortunately since september 11th 2001 we have a lot more information on every passenger boarding the plane because of positive identification procedures. so the fbi will have a little bit -- and the air marshalls and the other federal law enforcement agencies assisting them. they will have more information than they ever had in the past. but those passengers will be in for a substantial trip delay. >> mary schiavo, cnn aviation
analyst. thank you for that. rene marsh, thank you for working your sources. getting that to us as quickly as you could. thank you both. we'll stay on the story of course throughout the evening here on cnn. you're in the cnn news room. i'm poppy harlow. 4:00 eastern here on the east coast. a lot of news we're tracking for you at this hour. for the second time in a week new england's patriots coach bill belichick has addressed deflategate deflategate. he just wrapped up a fascinating press conference. this time belichick presenting a scientific synopsis on why footballs that his team used during last sunday's game in the afc championship may have dropped below the pressure level required by the league. and he said his team followed every single league rule to a tee. joining me to talk about is sarah gannon at the patriots facility. you were there. this was an impromptu press conference. we didn't know it was happening