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thers also known as the ideal employee. guess what. you stepped up. our brothers and sisters, since the story aired steven has received a brand new bed. new kitchen table. hundreds of cards and letters, new clothes for the baby and, yes, job offers. >> that's awesome. >> i expected nothing and got everything. it's just awesome. the deed in my mind wasn't as big as it was to other people. >> there you go. we'll keep you updated to get his family on the right track. thank you to him and thank you to you. a lot of news. time to get you to the "newsroom" with miss carol costello. >> thanks so much. have a great day. newsroom starts now. >> good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me this morning the u.s. and its allies are scrambling for peace in some of europe's worst fighting in decades escalates
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even more. watch this blast in ukraine. >> a european diplomat now tells cnn that massive explosion was an arms depot or factory and struck by a government artillery shell. the pro u.s. government won't confirm that. like so many things in the rebel strong stronghold of donetsk, details are murky at best. also hard to come by consensus, later this hour german chancellor angela merkel will visit the white house and urge president obama not to send arms to ukraine for fears it could escalate the crisis. first, let's get to you to eastern ukraine. peyton walsh joins us from donetsk, take it away nic. >> what we're seeing on the ground is how much damage has been caused by the fighting already. one town is looking very similar
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to that part of chechnya leveled, with so many residential homes flattened. i saw one administration building with a huge hole torn in it. another nine story apartment block ripped to pieces. people fleeing, coming back quickly as they can so they can leave permanently and one town where it's taking another key town. there's so much damage done to the everyday fabric of life there, quite remarkable. you referenced that explosion last night near central donetsk. it shook the whole building i'm standing in. we're now learning that it may have been an arms depot hit in separatists areas and one facility hit last year. the use of heavy weapons quite remarkable by both sides. there's a brief lull. normally when i'm standing here you hear constant shelling behind me and you feel as these
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peace talks edge closer whatever sense of unity they get with the white house, the concern is there is a reality on the ground and territoryal ambitions the separatists have and we could see the violence escalate ahead of those talks as both sides try and get in the best position they can. back to you. >> nick paton, thanks so much reporting from ukraine. and there's no debate government force are losing ground in the region that borders russia. the ukrainian troops are simply outgunned in many of the battles. will the white house send more weaponry to the pro u.s. government and if so how will allies or moscow react. michelle kosinski is at the white house with a closer look. hi. >> reporter: this meeting today between president obama and german chancellor angela merkel will cover that ground. they want to talk about three
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things. first is this peace talk that will happen wednesday in minsk to see if they can avoid additional sanctions on the u.s. sidearming ukraine. that's something being considered at this point by the u.s. we know merkel and others are staunchly opposed. that begs the question of this unity. secretary of state john kerry over the weekend insisted this unity is still there, strong between the u.s. and europe in their responses to russia. we know there's a divergence of opinion what to do next and whether ukraine should be armed. there will be a press conference later on. i think that will be extremely telling as to where that unity is. obviously, when you're talking about sanctions and now this morning, we're learning the eu has prepared additional sanctions but is waiting to see what happens after peace talks, that unity is really necessary. the u.s. has emphasized that many times before over the last
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few months if you have just the u.s. or eu imposing sanctions and not working together it really diminishes the effectiveness of that response. when you're looking at possibly arming ukraine, the u.s. doesn't necessarily need europe's cooperation on that. but, of course cooperation is generally better than not. we'll see if there's any common ground. what we will probably get out of this is wait and see. see if there's any progress for peace and go from there. >> michelle cosin -- kosinski reporting from the white house and later wolfe talks about the okeechobee-merkel news conference. at least nine air strikes hit targets inof isis in syria and
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iraq in just three days followed after three days of air strikes by jordan after isis burned a jordanian pilot alive in a cage. marine colonel john allen is in jordan offering his con condolences to them. he says it has backfired on isis and says isis is a much different terror group than al qaeda. >> isis is an entirely deficit leveldeficit -- entirely different level than al qaeda. >> have they adapted? >> they have. you don't see the long flags flying in daylight and we have adapted our targeting process as well. >> in the meantime the family of a young american aide worker is pleading with isis about her fate. it's been three days since isis claimed 26-year-old kyla mueller was killed in an air strategic
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on a building in syria. more now from mueller's hometown of prescott arizona. >> reporter: the days passed one after another in prescott arizona. >> this is such a fluid situation going hour to hour. >> todd is a long time family friend. for a year and a half the muellers have lived with the knowledge isis seized their 26-year-old daughter ordered by their captors to remain silent or kayla would be executed. then came friday a claim by isis but no proof saying kayla mueller died in this building. >> reporter: what was friday like? >> ooh, friday. friday was a dark day. punched a hole through you. a big hole. >> reporter: kayla mueller's name now forced into the open. her parents urged her captors to contact them directly. >> is there a statement they are
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trying to get through to this? >> you know at this time they just want contact through the original channels. >> reporter: they remain secluded at their home guarded by local police still afraid to say the wrong thing. but they stand behind their daughter's choices. >> i am in solidarity with the syrian people. >> reporter: a woman who refused to cep the suffering of syria's nearly 4 million refugees. her parents want and they need answers. from one of the world's most brutal terrorist groups. >> you have no control so you have to abide by the rules. it was a living hell and it has been a living hell for the family and it is today. >> reporter: one this entire town prays will end soon. cnn, prescott arizona. >> more now on kayla mueller. as a student at northern arizona university she led a group called "stand" a student led
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movement to end mass atrocities. after graduating kayla worked for aid agencies that took her to india and israel and palestinian territories and she started working in the syrian region in december 2012 and was taken captive by isis in august of 2013 after leaving a doctors without borders hospital in aleppo syria. i'm joined by one of their professor in arizona. she joins us live frmom zimbabwe this morning. good morning. >> good morning. >> as you watch this tragic situation unfold what goes through your mind in knowing kayla? >> kayla went as you said to palestine, israel and india and then to turkey to understand to reach across the differences. kayla taught me we try hardest to understand those with whom we disagree the most seriously. and so she went to understand.
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she went to teach us understanding. and to try to make some sense out of the endless killing for 13 years now. so we need more kaylas. she represents the best of america. america. >> i think a lot of people still find interest hard to understand why she would risk her life to help others like this. help us understand. >> yes. kayla went not for salary. her weapon was her mind and her wanting to understand. she went in order to as she said it's her words, to not allow suffering to become normal. she went to do her small part in reaching out. and she very much was doing that. as was james foley and others.
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>> actually it's interesting you bring up james foley, because james foley's mother commented on kayla's captivity and said the u.s. government isn't doing enough. let's listen. >> kayla, along with our son and others were held for nearly two years. there were many opportunities along the way. and yet nothing was done to save our young americans. >> carol, do you think the u.s. government is doing enough to save kayla? >> well kayla's response that she got from the syrians is where is the world? i think that's still a very important question. where is the whole world in moral outrage, not only government but peoples. i think it's very important that americans say, this is enough
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kayla or peter or steve or james. so my interpretation of what kayla taught me is the whole world takes responsibility not one government not two governments. and certainly not the few that are on the front line for peace and for justice. >> professor carol thompson live from zimbabwe thank you so much for being with me this morning. i appreciate it. >> thank you for giving voice to kayla. any time. still to come in the "newsroom," brian williams reporting during hurricane katrina launched him into the national spotlight. now the nbc anchor is facing new scrutiny over what he says happened there. we'll talk about that more next. so what about that stock? actually, knowing the kind of risk that you're comfortable with i'd steer clear. straight talk. multiplied by 13,000 financial advisors
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rosa you were here first, you keep the seat. i'll go to the back. and this one. i'll never forget that day in july 1969 when i took that first step on the moon. oh. back to real life. williams is facing scrutiny for yet another story, hurricane katrina. here's what he said about the days he spent covering the disaster in new orleans. >> when you look out of your hotel room window in the french quarter and watch a man float by facedown facedown when you see bodies you last saw in banda aceh in indonesia and swore to yourself you would never see in your country. >> i accidentally ingested some of the floodwater. i became very sick with dis entarry. our hotel was overrun with gangs, i was rescued in the stairwell of a five star hotel in new orleans. >> one of my next guests was also in the french quarter during katrina and he remembers
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things a bit differently. he is an infectious disease specialist who aided relief efforts after the storm. also joining us is kimberly dossier, cnn aes's affairs analyst. >> good morning. >> good morning. i want to start with you. do you think brian williams is telling the truth and if not why not? >> if he saw a body floating from the window of the ritz carlton down canal street he was the only one who saw that body. there were no pictures of it. no reporting of it. there were bodies floating around new orleans in various places but not on canal street. >> what about the dis inintiery thing? >> that's another thing. we set up a red cross station with paramedics from california who came in.
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we treated a lot of people with infectious problems. the infections they had was skin and soft tissue infections. we didn't treat any dis in tarry or diseases related to the storm. we treated infections related to the cleanup efforts. there wasn't any cholera here or disini disintiary here. maybe he caught it from pork but not the floodwaters. >> it is possible he could have ingested it from floodwaters, right? >> anything is possible. the floodwaters came in from lake pontchartrain and they came in en masse. that's not necessarily water that will have these human germs in it because disinterry is caused by a bacteria when the sewage gets mixed up with the water supply. like mexico city where earthquakes moved the pipes
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around a little bit. the fresh water pipes or drinking water pipes become infected with the sewage pipes. that's not the kind of flooding we had down here. he wasn't the only one off base. rumors were flying galore about everything post katrina. >> so he wasn't the only reporter that you had problems with during katrina? >> oh no. i'm not talking about reporters, i'm talking about we had a police chief who got on television saying that babies were being raped in the superdome. we had the then health director getting on tv saying people couldn't come back to new orleans because there were e.coli spores in this dust and they would get e.coli pneumonia. you just -- there were rumors galore down here. one of the local papers actually did a catalog of all these rumors that had no basis in
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fact. >> did you have a problem at the time when brian williams initially reported these things? >> well i didn't even know about it until about a week ago i hear brian williams occasionally on nbc. i love his booming voice and love his delivery style. i had not seen those clips and things. it was "news to me." i know most of the quarter down here little parts of the quarter flooded. technically the hotel he stayed in is not even in the french quarter though it is at the border of the french quarter. there were not bodies floating down canal street. if he saw them he was the only one in town who saw them. i think if he really saw them he must have been smoking something. >> so you said you were a fan of brian williams. how do you feel about him now? >> well brian williams is no walter cronkite that's for
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sure. i don't know. do you expect the news reader to elaborate a little bit or something? i was much more concerned about the false information being given out by our elected officials and our appointed public officials in new orleans at the time than i was about brian williams coming out and saying some things that were obviously not true several years later. >> would you watch brian williams again on the network news when ever he decides to come back to the newsdesk? >> sure. sure. i don't -- i mean -- to me this is -- i mean in the scale of katrina, this is minute. it's really a minute problem. i think it's of much more interest to the news media and
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much more interest to people who follow people who make $10 million a year. for us in new orleans, we're used to hearing stories like this all the time. it's no big deal. >> dr. lutz thanks for your insight. kimberly sorry to make you wait so long. the reason i wanted to have you on this morning and want to remind people what happened to you in iraq. in 2006 you were injured in a car bomb and your crew was killed and you were terribly injured and spent months in the hospital. when you hear stories about brian williams inflating what happened to him in iraq, what goes on in your mind? >> what goes on in my mind i met brian williams several times in iraq he was taking chances risking his own safety. he was always gracious to me and there i was at the same location from a competing network. i want to give him the benefit of the doubt and chances to explain. we need to hear more.
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one of his con inflationflations of the story of the helicopter he now remembers being shot at a public event he remembers introducing an army veteran a witness with him at the time. i don't think he would have told that story publicly like that unless he believed it. there's something funny that happens with memories over time from stressful high intensity a adrenaline filled situations. they can change as the mind processes that memory. perhaps over the years every time he thought back it just started getting amal gagamated. that's what i want to hear from him. >> you're a very kind person. would something like that happen in your case? >> well you know i went to a number of different bomb scene, suicide bomb scenes over a three year period. when i was telling the story of
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them at speaking events afterwards i told the story of a father who i rushed to the bomb scene and there he was with the body of this injured child screaming into our camera. you americans were supposed to bring us security. look what you've done. and then i had someone ask me a question at one of the events about exactly where and when it happened. i started thinking back. and then i went back to my scripts and then i went back to my notes. i couldn't find the reference to that exact father. so now i tell that story as you know i have this amalgated image of all the different parents i interviewed. that's how i as a reporter stay true to what i saw without getting specific about one individual. i would like to hear that from brian williams. i would like to hear him say, you know what i thought back and i got this wrong or i got it a little wrong. we have to hear more. >> we do have to hear more and
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probably will as the days go by. dr. lutz and kimberly dozier i appreciate it. still to come in the "newsroom." boston is about to get more snow. sara is there this morning. good morning, sara. >> reporter: good morning, carol. the snow is piling up in boston. over 2 feet might fall by night by the time this is all over. how residents deal with the snow coming up on cnn "newsroom." the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer, that's what i'd like to do. meet the world's newest energy superpower.
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me. another week another foot or 2 of snow back to back to back. winter storms absolutely punishing the east coast and boston seems to be taking the brunt of it. the city has seen nearly 60 inches of snow since december. normally that number should be around 25. sara drew the winter straw and in the city. good morning, sara. >> reporter: good morning. look at these snow piles, how large they are coming up to more than half of this streetlight. this is the problem in the beacon hill neighborhood of boston. these snow piles are completely covering cars in some places. they're making some sidewalks impassable creeping into the roadways and causing traffic visibility visibility for your driving to be very low, especially when you're going around corners. it's a huge safety concern also because of fire hydrants. tyke a look at this fire hydrant. bill carroll, who's lived in
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this residence behind me. lived her since the '70s. the city asked residents to dig out their fire hydrants because they were concerned they were completely buried by snow. i want to ask you, you lived here since the '70s. did you ever see the snow pile up so much like now? >> i was here for the blizzard of '78. a little bit younger then. you have to check with the meteorologist because we already had like 10 12 inches from a snowstorm in january of '78. then we had the big one in february of '78. this is at that point now. now, if this keeps up we'll have passed it. but my recollection is this is what it looked like back in '78. >> reporter: so it hasn't been this bad in 70 years, the mayor of boston saying this is an unprecedented amount of snow in such a short period of time and that's why you're seeing big snow piles because they haven't been able to get rid of the
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snow. is that right? what's that doing for neighborhood and business and traffic? >> for business if we look at the impact later the figures will come out and we will lose an enormous amount of money. the other is the driving and transportation taking a huge hit because cars are old and buses having problems and we had gridlock last week like we've never seen before. the other problem is the public safety issue, trying to make sure the hydrants are cleared off and you see the ambulances stuck in traffic, not a good thing. they're doing the best they can but the problem is there's nowhere to put it. >> reporter: the mayor said yesterday they hit their limit and already spent their snow budget for the year and he will figure out a way to get rid of this snow and talking to the state of new york about bringing in snow melting machines. one of the problems is people are taking things into their own hands. private contractors are coming out and when they move snow from
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the business that contracted them they're dumping it into the streets and alleys and that's causing more problems. back to you carol. >> thank that nice gentleman. that's awesome he's digging out those fire hydrants. i love that. reporting from boston this morning. in other news this morning, violence continues to grip ukraine. it lit up the night sky in ukraine last night. as an explosion ripped through what was purportedly an arms depot in this city of donetsk, pro-russians claimed the military was behind the attack but they stayed quiet on those accusations. back here at home we're awaiting the arrival of german chancellor andrea merkel at the white house and going to meet with president obama and try to work out a resolution to end the fighting across the region a solution germany hopes does not involve arming the ukrainian military.
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but for texas senator ted cruz the time for diplomacy has long passed. >> it is long pastime for us to step forward and provide defensive weapons so the men and women of ukraine can defend their nation. they are the allies in the budapest memo. we committed ourselves to stand with them to defend their territorial integrity. >> let's talk about arming the ukrainians with lieutenant general who is a cnn military analyst. welcome, sir. >> good morning, carol. >> good morning. glad you're here. let's say chancellor merkel and president obama agree to arm the ukrainians to fight russia. what happens then? >> it will be part of a wider picture of a show of national power. we've already done the things that are associated with an economic sanction. there's been extensive
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diplomacy. we saw some of that in the munich security conferences this weekend. the arming of ukraines will give them the national capabilities they need. they've been fighting for months and watching russia pour troops across their border. this gets back to the value of national self-determination. >> if we give the ukrainian bigger guns so to speak and russia gives the rebels bigger guns an this starts to mushroom into an all out war, isn't the danger russia wins and moves on to overtakes stonia or lithuania? >> that's a very big concern. estonia. that's why what was discussed at the security conference is so important. even those migmig -- miss merkel is visiting president obama there are 50 countries in europe and many concerned about russian expansionism. they've seen it the last several
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years in georgia and malldovadova and armenia and you have to put all national policies together to stop this. >> also russia has nuclear weapons, right. what's to say it won't use them if it feels cornered? >> that is a significant concern. i think if russia takes that step they show themselves to be the pariah riper rye -- pareja that they are. i'm not sure they would do that. arming ukraine would cause difficulties with russia was said. i think there is a requirement to stand up to their attempt to overtake slices of land. i don't think president putin would misjudge enough. he has threatened aircraft with nuclear capabilities. i don't think he would go there. that would be idiotic. >> i home you're right, general.
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lieutenant general mark hertling. thanks. thanks. >> and we will have special programming on the obama-merkel news conference at 11:40 a.m. eastern time. and will the popular movie over override the murder trial, next.
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the trial for the man who killed former navy seal chris kyle is set to beginning this week. with the popularity of the american film "american sniper"
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of kyle's life raises questions whether the defendant can get a fair trial. cnn's ed lavendera has more for you. >> reporter: chris kyle and his friend chad littlefield brought routh on a saturday afternoon. routh's mother reached out to kyle to help her son saying he was suffering from ptsd. they brought him to this gun range so they could talk and bond. instead, routh turned the guns on the two men who were trying to help him. routh left the scene in kyle's pickup truck and drove to his sister's house after the murders. >> listen my brother just came by here. he told me he committed a murder. >> who did he say he killed? >> he said he killed two guys that went out to a shooting range. he's all crazy, psychotic. >> reporter: routh is expected to plead not guilty and
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insanity. he served four tours in iraq and the earthquake in haiti. he reportedly made several visits to the v.a. hospital in dallas and spent the two years before the murders in and out of treatment for mental health issues. journalist laura beal wrote an in-depth account of routh's struggles called "the enemy within". before the murders rothuth's mother reached out to kyle for help. >> he had been doing and saying crazy things long before this. >> reporter: the trial will be in the small town where he went to college in the 19 nines and entertained dreams of becoming a rodeo cowboy and left that behind before joining the military. and the defense attorneys are asking to delay the murder trial because of the intense publicity of the movie. in the state of texas
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proclaiming february 2nd as chris kyle day. the judge denied the request and the work of picking the jury is under way. ed lavendera, cnn, stephenville texas. a powerful message. domestic abuse takes center stage at the grammys. we'll talk about that next. let me get this straight... [ female voice ] yes? lactaid® is 100% real milk? right. real milk. but it won't cause me discomfort. exactly, no discomfort because it's milk without the lactose. and it tastes? it's real milk! come on, would i lie about this? [ female announcer ] lactaid®. 100% real milk. no discomfort. and for more 100% real dairy treats you'll 100% enjoy look for lactaid® ice cream and lactaid® cottage cheese.
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cashon. glitz, glamor and serious discussions about domestic abuse. last night's grammys music carrying a powerful mess sack. >> right now, 1 in 5 of america has been a victim of rape or attempted rape. 1 in more than four women has experienced some form of domestic violence. it's not okay and it has to stop. >> my name is brook and i am a survivor of domestic violence. [ applause ] >> authentic love does not devalue another human being. [ applause ] ♪ ♪ ♪
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>> serious subject taking center stage. so let's talk about that. i'm joined by the founder of truth and reality of domestic founder activist. >> thanks for having me. >> i thought the segment was powerful but like you said it seemed so random. >> there wasn't a lot of context provided. even despite that fact it was very impactful. it's amazing to see how these organizations are -- and these award shows are using their platforms, these huge platforms to talk about an issue historically been swept underneath the carpet. domestic violence is a huge issue globally speaking and here in the united states. here we have during the super bowl and now here at the grammys during coincidentally teen dating violence awareness month this very powerful segment. >> absolutely. it would have been more power had we known more of brook's
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story. as a child she was raped repeatedly in the basement of a strange hours and went on to suffer years of abuse at the hands of men, a boyfriend later in life and reached out for help because she refused to get silenced and now she's healthy and an activist herself. the other weird thing was you had katy perry singing this beautiful song. rihanna was also performing at the grammys, eminem won a grammy chris brown. >> that's right. that's right. then you have -- there was a strange juxtaposition happening. i think that is one of the reasons why that forum is an important forum to show that distinction, to show how there's this blatant kind of disconnect that's happeningen our community. let's face it. the media is one of the most powerful ways we can communicate any form of messaging. the fact is that a lot of entertainers particularly
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perpetuate or -- perpetuate domestic violence or sexual assault and not being held accountable. >> i mentioned rihanna and eminem and a few years ago they did that song together. ♪ i love the way you lie. >> a lot of people that worked with domestic violence victims say it made domestic abuse sexy. >> it was a troublesome pairing to me. here we have a woman who is a survivor of domestic violence and a known perpetrator of domestic violence but she did a song with her former batterer. even as a survivor i can speak for myself. it takes time. when you look again at how the media tends to downplay and as you said to make it sexy. this is one of the reasons why a
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fan of my organization truth and reality because we specifically focus on using the media, particularly the narrative ss we see around reality television which glorify violence as an opportunity to have a larger discussion with media consumers and especially with those on college campuses about the truth and reality of what's happening around sexual assault and domestic violence and to that point we launched this huge campaign which starts this month called 99 seconds. the fact is this. every 90 seconds a woman in the united states is a victim of sexual assault and every nine seconds a woman is battered. when you put that together that's 99 seconds. on the 17th we are holding our inaugural event for this program. you have to go from a psa from making us aware to what can we do about it. it's what the university of
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