tv Legal View With Ashleigh Banfield CNN February 19, 2015 9:00am-10:01am PST
days, we hope. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thanks, ivan. thank you for joining us. >> "legal view" starts right about now. hello we're one. this is legal view. it will take more than bombs to beat isis and it's not just america's battle. if there were any doubt the white house is looking for new solutions to what it calls violent extremism, president obama just gave his second speech on the subject in 24 hours. >> not a question of jews or christians or muslims. we're all in the same boat. and we have to help each other to get out of this crisis. >> while the president was speaking, the pentagon was said to be analyzing claims from iraq that isis fighters burned alive
as many as 40 police officers in a town it overran last friday. not just any town, but one on the doorstep of a key iraqi air base that currently houses hundreds of u.s. troops. we are joined now from the northern iraqi city. rick weighing in now and michael weiss is we me again here in new york. ben, to you first. this time, yesterday, they had just fought a battle to keep isis away from where you are right now. are those defenses holding up? >> reporter: yes, they are. we were in not that particular area, but along the front today. thousand kilometer front that the kurdish forces have with isis and things seem to be holding. our understanding was there are a variety of coalition air
strikes today killing somewhere between seven and eight isis fighters. we were also told that the air strikes took out a hum vee belonging to isis as well. so the front seems to be holding and certainly the kurds continue to complain about their lack of proper equipment to confront isis. but by and large, the situation seems to have stabilized at the moment. >> and what about the kurdish offensive to take back the isis held city of mosul? any headway to report there? >> reporter: certainly the lines are static at the moment. this is a long-term project. mosul is a city of more than 2 million people. isis very well dug in in that area. what we've seen over the last few months is that the person march ga have gained some ground, but they haven't been able to cut it off in any sense. there's still a lot of traffic
between mosul and syria. when i was in baghdad a few months ago speaking to american military officials, they said it would take a year to prepare, a year at least to prepare any sort of concerted push to take mosul back from isis. >> barbara, at the top there we mentioned these 40 police officers and tribesmen burned alive. any new information? >> the administration is looking at imagery it says it has regarding this trying to analyze it and see exactly what did happen. the information at this point comes from iraqi officials who are saying these people were burned alive by isis. it's always possible they were desecrated after they were killed. u.s. officials are saying at this point they don't put anything past this organization. every week, their brutality just
seems to grow. >> and tell us about this stepped up u.s. military help for the enemies of our enemies in syria, the so-called moderate syrian rebels? >> sure. it's interesting you put it that way. so-called moderate syrian rebels here. it's been a long-time effort to get a program up and running to train about 5,000 of these people. they have to screen them. make sure that they're really motivated and that they are who they say they are. that they're training people who will go after isis. now we have details. the training's going to start next month with the first groups of them most likely in jordan. they're going to be equipped with trucks, communication gear, small arms, the thing i they will need to defend their villages against isis. the administration is thinking about giving them the technical capability to assist in calling in air strikes, u.s. air strikes
on the ground. this becomes a pretty interesting proposition. the u.s. of course had fighters on the ground in kobani several weeks ago when it was bombing there to help the u.s. war planes. the pilots pick out targets with minimizing the risk of collateral civilian damage. giving that kind of call-in strike capability to fighters, syrian fighters on the ground that you may or may not know exactly who they are, that could be an additional risk. and they also are considering what kind of support they do have to give these fighters once you put them back on the ground. they're going to be a great risk of isis. do you have to give them direct air support overhead to keep them safe. >> certainly a big question. let me bring in michael and rick. michael, to you first. we've now seen three days of this white house summit on extremism. do you think it's been worthwhile so far? >> i have not really heard
anything new. a lot of public relations rhetoric, necessary on the part of the president to draw this distinction. george w. bush said much the same thing. here's what i didn't hear. the regime, responsible for the proliferation of isis, assad has not been at war with this group. assad has been killing all the moderate muslims. in iraq, you have iranian-controlled militia groups in many cases using american military equipment. human rights said yesterday, this is why our strategy is failing. if you're a sunni in iraq, you have no incentive to turn against isis. because the other guys are just as bad, if not worst. none of this is addressed by the president. he's not drawing a distinction between sunni and shia. >> you're hearing a lot of rhetoric and the same rhetoric.
rick, do you fear that isis is overruns the kurtds and what about that air base nearby? they present a threat out there. we see the pentagon claiming that isis is on the defensive yet they're able to take over this town just 9 miles from a u.s.-controlled or a u.s. present air base. they're able to launch an offensive in the kurdish area. that certainly doesn't sound like they're on the defensive to me. they're able to move them even under the threat of coalition air power. so i think a reassessment of the strategy is a good thing. they need to figure out how to be more effective. the comments about providing close air support to moderate fighters in syria raises whole bunch of questions that also applies to iraq. how do we become more effective with air power if we're not going to put boots on the ground. one way is to put special forces on the ground with the
indigenous forces, with the iraqis or with the moderate syrians. also, we see a lot of problems in the iraqi army itself. and ben is spot on. it's going to be a long time, more than a year before the iraqi army is capable of going back up to mosul. the most effective units in the iraqi security forces right now are those shia militias controlled mostly by an iranian sponsored government in baghdad. >> and rick, the officials in libya, they want this lifting of the u.n. arms em bar go. what's the answer there? >> well, i think we need to work with the egyptians more than we have and forget the talk of a military coup and cutting off their supplies. we need to be working with the egyptians and allow them to expand their operations into libya. we need to fight isis wrr they are. >> thanks to you. michael weiss, you're going to
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hours ago at the u.s. state department. it is the second straight day he's spoken on the subject of violent extremism. notice i didn't say islamic extremism because the word islamic is not in the same of the summit and not a word the president uses very often. i want to get michael weiss back in here. michael, let me start with you. so president obama, he goes to great lengths really to avoid putting the words islamic and extremism together. why would it hurt if he did that? >> look, i think the problem with the united states policy right now is we're spending so much time arguing over the lexicon of this campaign. president calls them isil. the islamic state of iraq. then he says it has nothing to do with islam. it has something to do with islam. the head of isis got a phd in islamic studies. he's also actually a lightweight
in terms of clerical authority here. the problem is this is an interpretation of the faith. and actually, even beyond that, there's a political project here. again, i keep coming back to this. this is about the restoration of sunni power and sunni prestige and privilege which was knocked out in 2003 by the u.s. invasion of iraq. they lost baghdad. they feel like they're entitled to das mass kus. we're calling them the islamic state but denying any cast of islam. no part of this coalition denies the islamic component to this. that's why they use that to argue against isis. >> the white house has been saying using that word would be playing into the hands of isis. would that give them legitimacy? there there's no such thing as radical islam. there's islam, radical terrorists. i think to me and i was at the white house summit yesterday,
from the speakers i listened to as well as interviewed, the idea of using islam legitimizes their claims that they're acting in accordance with the faith. it helps them recruit and fundraise. also secondly, they wanted to call it islam here in america because there's a backlash to american muslims in europe. look what muslims are about. then we get demonized here which leads to radicalization. words are very, very important. they're not baptist because they put the word baptist in their title. same thing very effective use of the word islam. and isis uses islam every way they can. >> i guess the question though is there certainly have been critics of the administration, of the president for not using the word right now. they've been asking the question how do you defeat an enemy that you don't name.
what do you make of that? >> i think this is a well-intentioned campaign. do i think an anti-muslim big got is not going to murder muslims in the united states because we decide to give them some other name? no. we just have to sort of stare this square in the eye. if you look at the broad muslim populati population, nobody really says this has nothing to do with the quran. they justify taking sex slaves and beheadings. i would argue most muslims in the world argue this is a perversion of the faith. that's not really in dispute. isis is able to attract recruits and followers because they're presenting a geopolitical reality. the united states is in bed with iran to murder and ethnically cleanse sunni muslims. doesn't matter what you call them. it's not going to change the conspiracy they're selling. >> all right. many thanks to both of you. great to see you guys.
another story that we're following today in eastern ukraine. diplomats are trying to hold together is cease-fire that has been severely tested by ongoing fighting. the railroad hub of debaltseve has been the focus of much of the violence. today, nick payton walsh was able to return to the city after a two-week absence. he found destruction on a wide scale. many residents looking for a safe place to stay after their homes were destroyed. russian separatists now control the city after ukrainian forces pulled out on wednesday. >> up next, the bizarre things the defendant said and did leading up to killing the american sniper certainly suggests that he was insane, but proving it in a murder case isn't nearly that simple. the legal view on insanity and the latest from the trial ahead. people with type 2 diabetes
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welcome back. defense attorneys in the american sniper trial have a difficult task ahead. they are not disputing eddie ray routh shot and killed chris kyle and chad littlefield. instead, they are trying to convince the jury that routh was legally insane. it's a defense that rarely works. they got right to the point calling his ex-girlfriend on the left of your screen there and his sister op your right to the witness stand. both women testified about his erratic behavior leading up to that shooting. his ex told the court, quote, i asked routh if he was seeing things and he said yes. and then i asked if he was
hearing things and he said yes. joining me to talk about about the defense's case, live in stephenville texas at the courthouse and along with danny and joey. let's start with you here. you've been in the courtroom. any compelling testimony? >> reporter: a bit of a setback this morning as they just found out that one of their medical experts, a psychologist, will not be allowed to testify. the judge ruling that he did not qualify. so they're moving onto other testimony. but really the focus has been the girlfriend of eddie ray routh and his sister testifying. one of the things that his girlfriend talked about is the night before the murder she says she asked routh repeatedly if he was hearing things and seeing thing. he said yes. she also went onto say that routh got up and said they were listening to us. "when i spoke, he could cover my mouth because he didn't want them to hear what we had to
say." she says he's referring to the government there. sister talks about the moment that routh drove over to her house shortly after the murders and confessed to her about what had just happened. she said, he said he traded his soul for a pickup. the person who came to my house is not who i know as my brother. she also went onto say she told him, i love you, but i hate your demons. shortly after that, routh left her house and she was the one that called 911 that put authorities on the pursuit of eddie ray routh. that was almost two years ago. >> certainly compelling testimony there. let me turn to you guys here. the difficulty here is that you have family, an ex-girlfriend testifying, and their setting the scene of a babbling, incoherent, erratic routh. isn't that difficult because you don't know if they're just trying to protect him or really
telling what they thought is going on? >> jurors instinctually know there's no reliable witness than the friends and family of the defendant because they have a vested interest in the outcome. when it comes to insanity, both lay opinion testimony and also expert medical testimony is relevant to deciding insanity. because it's important to understand that you can suffer from a mental disease, you can suffer from a mental defect, but that fact alone, if it doesn't go to whether or not you knew right from wrong, you can still not be insane. the texas court has made it clear that the jurors can consider what friends, family and other witnesses not medical experts observed about the defendant in forming their conclusion about whether or not insanity applies. >> sounds like they're trying to figure out which medical expert
consist testify and who can't. is this what the case is going to come down to in. >> it will hinge on a number of things. the interesting thing about experts, of course the defense will put their experts on and they'll say he's insane and couldn't distinguish between right from wrong. guess what? there's a rebuttal case the state will have. what will their experts say? he knew the difference between right and wrong. so experts, sometimes they rule each other out. on the family issue, i think in this case they're reliable. and certainly the jury's thinking, wait a minute, they're biassed, that's his family. the ex-fiancee wants to protect him, the sister wants to protect him. one thing i thought was critical was a 911 tape, the sister is saying, he's psychotic, he's insane. the reality is is that i think what that issue is going to resonate with them. and we also have to remember the standard. it's not the defense having to prove it beyond a reasonable
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the ferguson police department is potentially in for a rude awakening. a possible lawsuit courtesy of the u.s. justice department. sources tell cnn if the police department doesn't agree to change its ways, the justice department could sue for racial discrimination. we're all familiar with scenes like this in the wake of the michael brown shooting. but this potential lawsuit goes beyond all of that, draegs the broader issue of how police deal with perhaps even target minority communities. joining me to talk about this is jeffrey toobin and tom few wen test. good to see both of you. so you have this group of low income people claiming officers are targeting minorities for traffic violations and putting them in jail when they can't pay the fine. isn't this bigger really than
michael brown? >> it's definitely bigger than michael brown. this is something the justice department has done a number of times. basically what they say is there are systemic problems with a police department and they negotiate with the department to make changes in training, in hiring, in how people interact with the police. they can even demand changes in leadership. now usually these are worked out in a settlement with the police department, but if there is no settlement, the justice department can go to court and have a judge demand that settlement -- that changes are made. >> i'm curious how likely it is we'll see this lawsuit. because the ferguson police chief said any time anybody has come to them, the justice department has suggested changes in the past, they've done so, they've complied. >> it's always struck me from the beginning that this was a likely result, this sort of lawsuit. the criminal prosecution of darren wilson which was possible
under federal charges -- >> the officer involved. >> -- that seems to be off the table. those cases are very hard to make. but a civil lawsuit aimed at broader reform, that has always seemed to be in the cards. >> tom, let me ask you. i'm certainly curious how this might impact other police departments nationwide when you have a police department or possibly even two facing a federal lawsuit here. >> well, the other police departments across the country should be watching and learning from what's already happened. these lawsuits have been brought or consent decrees agreed to in a number of other cities. those cities had to change what they were doing and abide by the agreement to make the kind of changes that the government asked mofor. so the idea that there are departments out there that don't think they need to change or abide by those kind of decisions are fooling themselves and stand the chance of this kind of event
happening. now the case of ferguson, the attention brought on ferguson because of the shooting of michael brown, obviously led to the department of justice having more reason to take a look at what was going on in that community. and especially with the violent reaction by the people in the community to look at why would they react so violently, what have they been dealing with in terms of relations with the police all along. >> so do you overall see a need for change in police tactics? >> i don't know what the tactics are. we need to see the whole report come out. we've heard that they arrest and charge more minority members, but the minority members are -- you know, i mean the community is a minority community. >> yeah. >> the idea of if people don't pay traffic fines they end up in jail, that's not a decision of the police department. that's something now we get to the city managers, the city council, the city attorneys that make those kind of decisions on
what will happen and what kind of practices they want to engage in. it's bigger than just the police department. >> those issues are really interesting and important, these money issues. because communities don't want to raise taxes on their citizens. so what they have done in many cases is used arrests as a revenue device to get people to pay for their freedom using these fines. and that's become very controversial and keep an eye on that as an issue in ferguson, but also in a broader sense around the country. >> if they do say we're going to institute these changes and this all goes away, who's going to watch that? >> that's part of the agreement. they also insist on some sort of monitoring. either the justice department themselves or they hire outside lawyers who keep an eye on it. but the justice department doesn't just take their word for it. >> it's easy to say, yep, we'll take care of that. >> check back in a few years. no, it doesn't work that way.
>> thank you very much. >> thank you. up next, a mother of four shot and killed after road rage confrontation. but did she go looking for trouble? her family defends her actions as police search for the killer. and things just got real for reality tv host robert van wing l who you may know as vanilla ice. jack's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today, his doctor has him on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack, be sure to talk to your doctor before your begin an aspirin regimen. nobody's hurt,but there will you totstill be pain.new car. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it.
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because i think everything should just work. works? works. works! works? works. works. here's some top stories we're keeping an eye on this hour. a deadly drug resistant bacteria is a contributing factor in the deaths of two patients at a los angeles hospital. many more patients may have been exposed to the so-called superbug. they are contacting 179 patients who had procedures between october and january. defense attorneys for the suspect in the boston marathon bombings are expecting to appear
in a court today to ask for the trial to be moved. they are arguing it is impossible to find an impartial jury in boston. the defense has tried and failed to have the trial moved several times already. knight's legal woes won't quit. stemming from an incident last year. last month, knight was charged with murder in a fatal hit-and-run in los angeles. rapper vanilla ice is also in trouble with the law. the recording artist turned reality tv star allegedly broke into this foreclosed home in florida and stole a pool heater as well as furniture. he is charged with burglary and grand theft. he told cnn affiliate wpbf that this is all just a miss understanding. the family of a woman killed after a road rage incident is coming to her defense. they say tammy meyers is the
victim. but questions are being raised about her role in the incident and what she may have done to put herself in danger. >> filled with sorrow, the family of tammy meyers walks by her memorial as they prepare to make funeral arrangements. a mother of four shot and killed after a road rage incident. >> she was doing what every mother would do. >> while the family first explained this as a case of road rage only on the part of the suspected killer, they now find themselves defending meyers role. the family only revealed details that the driver suspected of killing meyers went off the handle with no provocation. police say meyers was finishing -- then the.
>> that vehicle did that, her daughter had reached over and honked the horn. >> police say meyers and that driver sketched here argued. meyers and her daughter then drove home. >> her 22-year-old son came out of the house, got into the car. he was armed with a firearm. and then they left the house. they left the house in search of that person they were -- that mrs. meyers was involved in an incident with just prior. >> police say they found the driver they were looking for, but gave no details on what happened in that second encount encounter. meyers and her son returned home and this time the suspect followed. gunfire was exchanged and tammy meyers was struck in the head. despite the criticism that meyers and her son may have had
a hand in escalating the situation, her family says no one should ever have died over something so trivial. cnn. las vegas. >> and we have this from a facebook post by tammy meyers husband. he says the family will return donations made to a go fund me page started by a family friend. the decision comes after intense public criticism from those who say the family withheld crucial information in their description of that road rage incident. up next, a high profile murder defendant who's planing to be his own lawyer facing the judge today. no telling what he'll say. but wait until you hear what he told me before he became the prime suspect. with 1% when you buy and 1% as you pay with two ways to earn on puchases, it makes a lot of other cards seem one-sided. mayo? corn dogs?
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so typically any time a defendant wants to be his or her own lawyer, it does not go well. chase merit is charged with murder in the deaths of joseph mcstay and his wife summer and their two boys. an entire family of four. their remains were found in the california desert nearly four years after they disappeared. a short time ago, merit was in court for a hearing and he is representing himself. the mcstays went admitsing in february 2010 and for years, no one knew what happened to them. when i talked to chase merit, a family friend, before he was named as a suspect. he says detectives questioned him and this is what he says they asked him. >> the standard questions, you
know, just do i know anything about them disappearing. did i have anything to do with it, just -- just the standard questions. probably they asked everybody. >> as far as you know you were one of the last people to see him, right? >> yeah. when he left the ranch, nobody else -- although i think somebody -- there's another person or two that he talked to. i'm not sure. >> but you were the last person he saw. >> i'm definitely the last person he saw. >> now i spoke to chase merit a year ago january in his only television interview. there you have him telling me that joey mcstay was certainly -- met him for lunch that day and that he was the last person he saw. let me bring back in cnn legal analyst danny cevallos and joey
jackson. are you surprised that he would say that, that he is definitely the last person he saw? >> i'm surprised he made any admissions at all. you know this case probably better than anyone. what strikes me is that -- i really wonder how much it will play in the actual trial itself. what impression did you get? did he appear sincere to you? >> yeah, i mean he was very low key, he was friendly to the crew. we spent a good couple hours with him. it was an early morning interview. but now he is in court and representing himself. >> mistake. >> so what's the problem there? he doesn't think he has long to live. he thinks he has heart problems. >> congestive heart failure. >> he wants to get this done and out of jail. >> it's often said that the man who represents himself has a fool for a client, right? even more so, pro se defendants
are at once the bain and the dplorry of the legal system. i can't tell you how often i've asked defense counsel been appointed as advisory counsel. it is enincredibly difficult. because you have not a client, but someone essentially making decisions in court that make really -- slow down the process and they're going to make demands of the appoint the counsel why they don't have the control other the situation he would if it was client and not pro se defendant. they are usually a huge disaster. >> because they slow down the process. there are rules of evidence that you have to be really clear on and if you're not, it's problematic. i know a lot of the search warrants are still sealed. i want to know what evidence that's compelling enough they
have against him. remember, factually, it was investigated as a missing persons case. >> they thought the family went away on their own to mexico. >> three years. so clearly i'm sure you would be lighting up the detectives sayi saying, how are you investigating this as a missing persons case for three years. now all of a sudden they're saying wait, obviously there are remains here, there was foul play. >> it's a fascinating thing. there's no statute of limitations on murder. if they had discovered evidence five years from now, they could have indicted. there's another separate issue, that's preindictment delay. when the police investigate something for years and years and years, they may get enough evidence to charge a defendant, but what about that defendant? how well could you defend a case today if you just found out you were being indicted for something that happened ten years ago? do you know what happened ten years ago? could you come up with an alibi?
i had this come up in cases over a decade old. piecing together what you were doing or finding a witness, almost impossible. >> i did interview the district attorney in this case, they said they have all the evidence they need and they believe the whole family was killed at the home. he said there are great inconsistencies in chase merit's story. >> how ironic is it that the san bernardino district attorney says they're bludgeoned in the home, mean while the san diego couldn't figure that out -- >> exactly. they said it wasn't even a crime scene. they said it wasn't even a crime scene and they didn't seal the home. they left this home open. the authorities weren't called for 11 days after the family disappeared. during that time, some of the mcstay's family members were in there cleaning up the mess, the eggs left, the popcorn left. mcstay's mother threw out dirty
diapers. they took a computer out of the house. doesn't this all play a role? >> you better believe it plays a role because you don't have a typical crime scene which would certainly -- steps would be taken to ensure that that crime scene was preserved. and the dogs were in the backyard, the dogs weren't fed. animal control had been there. >> darned if you do, darned if you don't. if they pursue other leads, that fact will later on be used by the defense and thrown right back in their face. >> constitutional right to represent yourself, but he should get counsel. >> there you go. you heard it right there. thank you. >> thank you. next, is the u.s. army filled with liars? a new study by the military says yes and i'm not making this one up. (vo) for eight straight years, purina pro plan has been the nutrition of choice that has fueled each westminster best in show winner. and this year, with her strong athletic build, her fluid gait,
before chuck hagel left the pentagon, he went public with concerns that there were ethical gaps among senior officers. the u.s. army war college come pyred a report that concludes that the army has a problem with dishonesty and deception at all levels of the service. this is one line from the report. it reads, in the routine performance of their duties as leaders and commanders, u.s. army officers lie.
retired lieutenant colonel rick franco na is our military analyst. we're talking about the army here, but keeping with the military tradition, honor and honorable service is sacred. there's no worse thing than to call a military member dishonest right? >> that's right. we're always taught that an officer's word is their bond. the officer's code is we do not lie cheat or steal or tolerate those among us who do. i've read the executive summary, i think we have to put this in some context and realize what we're talking about here. we're not talking about, you know, lying for getting ahead. what's happening in the army -- i suppose the other services as well, be interesting to see how that plays out. but there are so many requirements placed on all levels of command. all units, particularly down at
the brigade level and lower. there's so many training requirements. so many mandatory formations. so many things that have to be done that the commanders have to certify. it's such an overwhelming load. rather than saying, i can't do this the tradition is becoming, yes, we did it. so you're falsifying documents and training records. we used to call this pencil whipping when you say you did it and you really didn't. this becomes problematic throughout the army. i think context is in order here. it's not like we have a bunch of dishonest officers running the army. they're trying to do the best they can in a bureaucracy that is crushing them. >> one thing i caught my eye, officers have become ethically numb. >> this is the result of this having to make do with less. and there's a whole bunch of
factors that go into this. we have the draw-down of the army and now the attitude in all of the military services is zero defects. if you make a mistake, you're out. we don't allow any room for error. so if there's no room for error, errors never show up in the training reports and in the -- all the paperwork that has to go back up. >> what kind of damage do you think this does to the army's image and what's the challenge in repairing it? >> well, the challenge to repair it is the army has to reorganize the bureaucracy. they'll have to say we have to address the ethics and another ethics thing that they all have to do, yet another compliance thing. if you do this in your training, if you do this this is going to translate to what do we do in combat. are we going to falsify those records? that's not going to happen. i know hundreds of u.s. army officers, they're fine officers.
they're doing a very difficult job trying to fight this crushing bureaucracy. >> all right. thank you, appreciate your time. and thank you for watching. i'll be back tomorrow. wolf starts right now. hello, i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. here in washington. 6:00 p.m. in london. 9:00 p.m. in baghdad. wherever you're watching, thanks very much for joining us. we start with a rally and cry for president obama at the white house summit on combatting extremism. the president spelled out the challenges in fighting a growing global problem and called on all nations to do more. here's what he listed as one of the most pressing problems right now. >> when people, especially young people, feel entirely trapped in impoverished communities, were there is