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a patrol car and continuing this incredibly important investigation. thank you so much for being with me here. stay with cnn as i'm sure we will continue to cover this story and much more. i'm brooke baldwin in new york. thank you for being with me. let's go to washington now. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. we have been watching this police standoff in las vegas unfold moment by moment. the las vegas police department just announced they have taken a suspect into custody and he is en route to police headquarters. the las vegas police department had been in a tactical phase working to take the suspect into custody. the man police say was inside a house, authorities say he had something to do with the killing of 44-year-old tammy meyers that mother of four who was killed in that road rage incident on valentine's day that went the worst possible way. this standoff today took place only blocks away from where meyers and her family lived. just what role this man who is
now in custody played we do not know right now. police will not say if they believe this man was the gunman. you see the police sketch of the suspect from the valentine's day road rage shooting in las vegas right there on your screen. what we do know about the suspect is this. he is described as in his 20s to 30s, has spiky blond hair medium build, six feet tall and when tammy meyers was shot and killed he wore a white v-neck teeshirt. now, a distraught woman claiming that the man in this house that we are looking at a second ago, if we can put that image right back is her son, he said he has threatened to harm himself. the husband of the woman left dead in the shooting is watching all of this unfold right before his eyes at the scene. he was understandably very emotional. let's take a listen. >> you all happy? there's the animal, a block
away. are you happy? >> the widower of tammy meyers understandably very upset with some of the media coverage that has suggested that his wife was responsible, playing a role in her death. i want to go right now to cnn's sara sara sidner at the scene. you just spoke to a woman who saw much of the police activity going on. what did she tell you? what are you learning? >> reporter: here's what's happening right now. you're not seeing me because that is a couple of members of the family very upset with how this story has unfolded upset with what's happening on social media, upset with what the reporters have been saying because obviously, there has been a lot of frustration with the initial story. the family not revealing certain details and then police revealing that indeed, tammy meyers and her son tracked down the suspect after they were indeed safe back in their home.
there has been a lot of criticism and the family is very upset because they say look we are grieving we just lost our mother of four and we don't understand why people are being so mean and hateful towards us when we are the victims of a homicide. i want to show you the scene now. a i apologize for doing a bit of walking here. this is where the suspect was. if you look just down the street here you see the police tape. we are one block from where all of this happened today, where police surrounded the home the suspect was in. >> we have lost contact with our satellite there with sara sidner. we will bring her back as soon as we get that up and running. want to go to chris voss on the phone, a former fbi lead international kidnapping negotiator and perhaps can shed some light on how police were apparently able to get this suspect to come out of his house in what was described as a
standoff but thankfully it is one that does not appear to have ended with any violence at all. chris, what is the initial challenge when police find a suspect and he is unwilling to come out peacefully? what is the next step? >> well a lot of it has to do with exactly how the incident has unfolded. you know whether it was planned for or spontaneous. and this would have been somewhat spontaneous which has a tendency to be a little shorter in duration. the suspect would have been seeing all this play out in the media and he didn't intentionally barricade himself. once police caught up with him, the fact he came out really quickly, relatively quickly, is not terribly unusual because it caught him off guard and he was probably remorseful over what happened. >> what do police say in a situation like this where somebody is refusing to come out and the standoff could
potentially become dangerous potentially the suspect has firearms obviously is not in an emotional state where he is necessarily listening to reason. how can police change that to get the person to put down any gun that he or she might have and to come out willingly and surrender? >> well, that's a good point. the critical issue in these situations is really the subject's will to live. and what they will say from the very beginning is the common ground in this negotiation, if you will is that both sides want the subject to live. they will start out by saying telling him that the negotiator will say i'm here to make sure you get out of this safely and i'm your way to get out of this safely. and it's very hard for the subject to disagree with that if he wants to live. now, where it goes from there, the negotiator needs to be very patient, somewhat relentless and be very clear about the fact that they're not leaving.
they're not going to go away and they will stay for as long as it takes. it's really a matter of -- >> what's the tone the police take on? is it friendly is it hey, i'm your buddy, i want you to live, let's figure out a way to get you out of this house so it ends peacefully or is it more combative than that? >> no it's a very specific tone of voice. we refer to it as the late night deejay. you have to be really soothing and really calm and what it does it actually injects calm in people when they hear that voice. >> late night fm deejay is a term of art for hostage and standoff negotiators? >> it is. it is. these days it's referred to as the late night fbi deejay but yeah that's what we use. >> all right. thank you so much, chris voss. i want to go back to sara sidner who is on the scene. apparently the satellite is back up and running. let's start again. walk us through the day.
first of all, just clear something up for us. how far exactly is this potential suspect's house from the meyers home? is it just a street or two over? >> reporter: it is one street over. fast enough by the way, for robert meyers as we saw earlier to walk from his house in two minutes and end up at the other house where police were having a standoff at the time he was visibly shaken he was talking about somebody killing his wife he was seriously, seriously teared up and talking to police and very angry as well as sad. it was really hard to watch this person who just lost the love of his life and the mother of his four children find out that it turns out it was someone who was right next door, right one street over that is involved in this homicide. i want to clear something up as well. we do now know from a detective who just talked to us two minutes ago that the suspect they have been after and the
suspect is considered involved with this homicide this road rage incident that suspect is in custody now. we do now know that. they have taken him into custody. there was -- no one was hurt. he has been taken in. we heard from a neighbor that police were here a couple of days ago and that she saw police at the same house a couple of days ago. we also know jake that the mother of the suspect, she came by us she was visibly upset. she was very worried for her son, saying that she believed he was going to do something to himself, that he was distraught and she wanted to get to him. a very raw scene out here. but right now, we know the meyers family is well aware the suspect has been taken into custody. i want to remind our viewers that there were three people in the car. police say they believe there were three people in that car that passed by tammy meyers andied up shooting and killing her. we don't know if the person they have taken into custody is indeed the shooter. they will not make that clear.
we have asked police time and again is this the person responsible for shooting and killing tammy meyers and the response was he was involved in the homicide but we cannot give you any other information but that. >> so the individual might be theoretically one of the three people in the car but not necessarily the person who had the gun who fired the fatal shots that killed tammy meyers. let's bring in cnn legal analyst paul cowan. sara stay right there. we will get back to you in a second. i would imagine that your recommendation to whoever the police have taken into custody is do not say a word, get a lawyer. >> oh, absolutely. that's the advice all attorneys i think give to their clients in this kind of situation. this is a complex situation. defense lawyers will be looking at believe it or not, whether there's a self-defense claim. we don't know who the actual shooter is so in most states there's a doctrine called acting in concert or as we are seeing in the hernandez case in
massachusetts, the joint venture doctrine so that all people in the car could theoretically be guilty of the offense. so lawyers and of course law enforcement authorities will be looking at all of those things. >> of course police will be looking to get, assuming this person is not the one who fired the shots and we do not know at this point, police will be looking to get him, it was a man i believe who was arrested earlier, to give the entire story and if they need to perhaps offer him a deal. >> yes. that's frequently done. wouldn't expect to see that happen immediately, though. this is a breaking story and it's a breaking story for law enforcement as well. they may be able to put this together without having to offer him a deal because remember they don't know who they're dealing with at this point. the thing that prosecutors always worry about is that he's the shooter and they are making a deal with him and that can happen sometimes if you act prematurely. i would expect a careful investigation here before they
start making deals. >> we also have cnn legal analyst danny cevallos standing by. danny, this is obviously a case that a lot of people have found fascinating, found horrifying. as somebody who analyzes a lot of different legal cases that have jumped into the media's attention, why do you think this one has gotten so much attention? >> certainly the initial reports were that mother came home got son with a firearm and then again, this is according to initial reports, may have gone out looking for trouble. now that seems completely opposite of what we are now hearing from the meyers husband, but then again, the only narrative we have heard at this point appears to come only from meyers sources. i suspect that if we talk to any of these suspects they are going to tell a totally opposite story but ultimately when we talk about self-defense and the initial aggressor and whether or not someone retreated, this will
all hinge upon who fired the shots and who fired them first. because i also suspect building on paul's talk earlier that if the suspects ever talk i wouldn't be surprised if each one of them if we ever ascertain who the three people in the car were will point the finger at each other and each individually might say i had no idea there even was a gun, which they may find unfortunately for those suspects under theories of either joint venture or conspiracy in most states if the state has evidence of intent among the co-conspirators or the other suspects they can and possibly will charge defendants if they think they all acted in concert. >> danny, i want to go to sara sidner to button this up. i want to show the map that we have that shows the school where tammy meyers was giving her daughter driving lessons, walter
johnson junior high school. it was on the way back to their home that .3 miles where there was this incident where somebody was honking at somebody and somebody got mad at somebody and now we are in this situation where people are being arrested for the murder of the mother. it is all just such a tragedy and for no reason, for idea yotiotic reasons of road rage. that's what makes this so sad, it was about nothing. it was about a moment of emotion. >> reporter: that's a really good way to put it jake. i think the thing about this story that has everyone sort of watching it is that we have all felt those moments of anger on the road right? none of us are immune. so in this instance it just got completely out of control. we also need to remember a lot of people are putting some of the blame on the family because they got out of that initial situation after the initial argument after the initial near collision where the mother and daughter were together the mother dropped the daughter off according to police then summoned her son who was asleep
at the time who grabbed his gun, got in the car and went back to look for the suspect. i don't know what happened in that second encounter because they did indeed somehow find the suspect, but then they returned home. the suspect followed according to police and that's when the gun battle happened. that's when the suspect shot and killed tammy meyers. one thing the family has said over and over again is that this never should have happened. for a stupid traffic incident this never should have happened to this mother of four. and i think we need to also have a bit of compassion. they just lost their mother but social media has been going absolutely crazy talking about this family and saying how much they may have had a hand in inflaming the situation. it's really a lesson for all of us everyone who is out there on the roads, to really try to dial things down because if you rachet it up you just don't know who you're dealing with. this is one of those cases that got completely out of control and now a mother of four has to
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welcome back the "the lead." i'm jake tapper. in our world lead isis showing more and more force inside libya as president obama says the battle against the terrorists is not a clash of civilizations but a war with psychopaths pretending to be muslims. today, closing a three-day summit on extremism hosted by the u.s. and itsattended by representatives of 60 nations, the president firmly rebuffed
those who claim the west is waging a war against islam. >> the notion that the west is at war with islam is an ugly lie. >> an ugly lie. but while the president's pleas for peaceful more moderate cooler heads to prevail, the very global fight against isis is ramping up. today, denmark committing $150 million to a new anti-terror plan that aims to stop attacks like the one in copenhagen last weekend. egypt already bombed isis inside libya after the terrorist group posted that ghastly beach scenes where they executed 21 egyptian christians. each day isis puts out more propaganda what the group calls evidence of its growing presence in libya. let's go to cnn chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. we have been reporting all week on isis making libya a top priority. how concerned are u.s. national security and military officials right now? >> very concerned. we talked for awhile about isis building some sort of light new fledgeling footprints outside of
iraq and syria but in libya we are seeing much more. eyewitnesses in central libya telling cnn about a 70 vehicle convoy of isis forces taking positions over tall buildings, firing positions, clearly digging in and residents asking where is the libyan government where is the international community as isis is spreading further. isis under fire from the air. new pentagon video shows an isis fighting position staging area and building destroyed one by one. today, coalition defense ministers are meeting in riyadh saudi arabia to discuss the war in the air. this is the battle against isis expanding to new fronts with egyptian war planes bombing isis positions in libya just days after isis brutally murdered egyptian christians on the libyan coastline. >> we have done thousands of air strikes. we are starting a train and equip program next month. we believe the military
component is a very important component of taking fighters off the battlefield. >> reporter: isis' answer to the coalition effort has been a series of new assaults on kurdish areas in northern iraq and in the western province of anbar. they are also making a show of force in the terror group's northern iraqi stronghold of mosul. here isis fighters under makeshift military training an attempt at propaganda perhaps, as iraqi forces prepare for a springtime assault on the city. even under pressure of the u.s.-led campaign isis recruiting remains strong. here a graduating class of newly trained fighters some appearing barely in their teens in iraq's anbar province. a steady stream of foreign fighters is fueling the group as well as recruiting within syria, iraq and new outposts in libya, yemen and beyond. the result of a deft combination of money, ideology and often threats.
>> these guys know that there's a standing order to come to the defense of the caliphate of isis and to attack in place those who are attacking isis. >> i contacted a senior administration official who is at the defense ministers conference in riyadh who tells me that among coalition members now, there is no current focus on expanding the military campaign beyond iraq and syria but this is a difficult, an important question facing the white house and coalition partners as these isis bases abroad become not just bigger but more capable. when you see what they are doing in libya right now, they are holding territory. >> that is literally hundreds of miles from europe. jim sciutto, thank you so much. let's bring in the republican senator from arkansas tom cotton who sits on the senate armed services committee and is also an army veteran. he did tours in both iraq and afghanistan. senator, thanks so much for being here. appreciate it. >> hi jake. good to be on with you. >> so you have personally fought against these islamic extremists in iraq and afghanistan.
the president said today this is not a clash of civilizations. in your experience, is that correct? >> jake it's not a clash of civilizations. the president seems so concerned to prove the west is not waging war on islam, but he won't recognize the fact that radical islamists are waging war on the west and the united states as the leader of the west. that's why this summit he just called over the last three days i think shows that he's not yet taking the threat seriously. to call it violent extremism and not to call it radical islamic jihadis goes to show the president is underestimating our enemies. like when he called the islamic state the j.v. team or last month when he talked to vladimir putin at the state of the union for having been outfoxed by the president and other western leaders, now vladimir putin is in control of more territory in ukraine than he was a month ago. it further emboldens our enemies the fact we won't call them by
their own name. it feeds into their belief america is a paper tiger. >> i guess his argument is if you will permit me to play devil's advocate if we as a country and the coalition call them islamic extremists then we are, a, lending them the credibility of this religion that has billions of followers, most of whom believe in peace, and second of all, that what we are doing is we are then distancing ourselves from muslims whom we need as allies. does he not have a point? >> jake i don't think the president has a point. the islamic state doesn't need any credibility from barack obama. they get that from the successes they achieve in iraq and syria. they appear to many radical muslims all around the world to be winning this war right now. people like a winner. that's the lesson osama bin laden taught in the 1990s when
he said people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature they root for the strong horse. and as vicious as the islamic state has been towards jews and christians killing them cutting off their heads, burning them alive, they are just as vicious to most muslims in iraq and syria who are struggling under their yoke right now and where they are only expanding to gain more territory and control of more people. the reason they are doing that is not because they are representative of the muslim faith. the reason they are doing it is because they have more arms and weapons and soldiers and no one is standing up to them. that's what this president needs to do. >> well obviously we have troops in iraq and fighter pilots dropping bombs, training iraqis working with other allied groups. what more do you think the coalition needs to be doing to defeat this enemy? should there be american combat troops in iraq and syria? should the u.s. be bombing libya again? >> jake we certainly need to do a lot more than we are doing,
because since we started this campaign in august the islamic state has only continued to expand. if you compare the amount of daily bombing activity since then to what george bush did in the early days of afghanistan or what bill clinton did over kosovo you would see the president and his west wing advisors are severely constraining the military. as you rightly point out, we have thousands of troops back in iraq right now. the islamic state is only a few miles from them in some places by some reports. but if it's necessary to have an effective strategy to defeat the islamic state that we put forward air controllers on the ground to help guide in more effective bombing campaigns or special operations forces we have to be ready to do that. the islamic state is certainly not taking options off the ground in syria, iraq or libya or anywhere else. the united states should not either. >> i understand you don't think we should be taking options off the table but are you calling for american combat forces in iraq, even in syria? >> jake i don't think it's an
open question for dispute that we are not currently effectively waging this campaign in part because we don't have say forward air controllers on the ground or we are not doing enough to coordinate with the iraqi army and the kurdish militias. we are relying too much on iran to fortify defenses against the islamic state in iraq and in western syria. so if it's the best judgment of our military commanders that we need to increase our presence and need to increase the close air support we are providing for those troops on the ground then that's what we have to be prepared to do. that's a question again for our military commanders but right now, the president is restricting them and choosing the targets out of the west wing. when i turn on the tv i see big convoys of islamic state fighters flying islamic state flags and i want to know why we weren't attacking those. why we aren't striking them with bombers or fighters. why we don't have a-10s in the area to blow them off the ground. why are we not taking the gloves off our military so they can actually fight and defeat the islamic state? >> senator tom cotton, thank you
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welcome back to "the lead." we have some more breaking news in our national lead. for the first time we are seeing a photograph of the suspect just arrested taken into custody by las vegas police after that tense standoff just a few minutes ago related to the road rage killing on valentine's day of 44-year-old tammy meyers a mother of four. this picture which you can see on the screen was tweeted by las vegas metro p.d. we are blurring out the suspect's face because as of right now, we are unsure if he is over the age of 18. we will bring you more information on the story as the details continue to come in. we are going to turn right now to the politics lead. president obama has been criticized by many republicans
for refraining from using the word islamic when discussing the terrorist threat. we are not at war with islam, the president says but with people who have perverted the faith and the president goes on using the word islamic feeds into the clash of civilizations idea the terrorists are trying to create. now, former new york city mayor rudy giuliani has, shall we say, a different take. according to politico at a private dinner gathering for possible presidential candidate republican governor scott walker of wisconsin, giuliani said that president obama talks that way because president obama doesn't love america. cnn national correspondent suzanne malveaux joins us now. this has become a national kerfuffle, not some ill-conceived remarks at a private dinner. >> reporter: this is taking a national stage because one of the things is that they are saying this is terrible. that's what the white house is saying these horrible remarks. that's the only point the white
house and giuliani can agree with now, is the suggestion that the president doesn't love his own country is horrible. but this is the kind of rhetoric that we are starting to see more often as this highly charged, emotional issue of patriotism again is taking center stage as our country is debating over whether or not we should engage in a full-blown war against isis. former new york mayor and one-time presidential contender rudy giuliani created a firestorm when at a private republican fund-raiser, he said this about president obama. i know this is a horrible thing to say, but i do not believe that the president loves america. he doesn't love you and he doesn't love me. he wasn't brought up the way you were brought up and i was brought up through love of his country. social media lit up after the comments were detailed in politico as democrats and critics demanding a retraction forcing giuliani to attempt to clean up the mess on fox news.
>> i'm not questioning his patriotism patriotism. he's a patriot, i'm sure. what i'm saying in his rhetoric i very rarely hear him say the things i used to hear ronald reagan or bill clinton say about how much he loves america. i do hear him criticize america much more often than other american presidents. >> reporter: the white house made a thinly veiled attempt at seeming above the fray. >> there is enough to be doing damage control this morning. what i will tell you, i agree on one thing today, it was a horrible thing to say. >> reporter: the remarks were delivered in front of the featured guests like president contender scott walker who remained silent. walker refused to denounce the comments today. >> the mayor can speak for himself. i'm not going to comment on what the president thinks or not. he can speak for himself as well. i will tell you i love america. >> reporter: walker's deflection stands in contrast to 2008 when republican senator john mccain politely rebuked a voter who
suggested obama was an arab. >> no, ma'am. no, ma'am. he's a decent family man, citizen that i just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about. he's not. thank you. >> at that time that was a smear. we certainly don't agree with that position. having said that there are republican strategists who i talked with today who worry that the rhetoric within their own party has already become extreme, having covered a lot of them back in 2008. what strikes me in giuliani's comments is when he says obama wasn't brought up the way you or i were brought up, harkens back to when his opponents tried to paint him as other. this is a narrative that his supporters believe opened the door to using racist comments against him back in 2008. >> suzanne malveaux thank you. in other national news it is cold enough to slow down one of the greatest forces of nature, niagara falls, frozen as millions tried to protect themselves from this historic
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welcome back to "the lead." in national news it is so cold -- >> how cold is it? >> thank you. so cold that niagara falls is more like niagara freeze. that's not very good. anyway this rare and wild sight is made possible by a blast of frigid record-breaking air that is literally coming from siberia. that's not a joke. that's actually where it's coming from. cold enough to at least partially stop the flow of 600,000 gallons of water per second. 185 million people are feeling this amazing deep freeze. 30 states have wind chill warnings and advisories posted for today and tomorrow. in the midwest to the northeast and all the way down south in places like huntsville alabama and atlanta, where they are not equipped for weather that feels like five degrees. two homeless people were found dead in these temperatures. our correspondents are standing by to bring you the impact of these temperatures. rosa the big apple frozen to its core.
>> reporter: when the apple is that frozen be careful, don't bite into it because you will lose a tooth. it is really cold in new york city. check this out. about 19 degrees right now and the city on a state of alert because of the low temperatures. it's about 19 but with the wind gusts peaking at about 40 miles an hour the wind chill drops to zero degrees. take a look around me. of course iconic times square right now. if you ask all the people that are here the only people who are happy are tourists. >> very cold but being from scotland we're used to the cold. it's not too bad. >> reporter: how cold is it? >> [ inaudible ]. >> reporter: it's freezing even for lady liberty. >> very very cold. we're from florida. >> reporter: how cold are you? >> not that cold. we are from canada. >> reporter: the universal sign for very cold.
this is the universal sign for cold here in times square because hear this jake. tonight, the wind chill, minus 20 degrees. there is no word for that. >> brutal. absolutely brutal. thank you, rosa flores. let's go to rene marsh at reagan national. first of all, i'm sorry that you don't have the cnn hat that rosa was wearing because you look very cold. frostbite in these temperatures can happen in less than half an hour. that's taking its toll not just on correspondents like yourself but airport crews. >> reporter: you are absolutely right. it's taking its toll both on the correspondents the photographers and the crews out on the tarmac. when you have temperatures as frigid as they are here of course you have jet fuel equipment that's susceptible to freezing up and then you have the people on the tarmac. they have to have limited time outside and what does that do? it slows down operations.
that means for the traveler in some cases, delayed departures. a plane skids off the runway. crews de-ice. that's the scene at airports this week as the temperature from the canadian border to the southeast continues to plunge. on the street the bone-chilling temperatures making roadways treacherous. the colder it gets the more problems getting around. below 15 degrees, salt stops being effective on slippery roads. around 30 below zero in general, car fuel and liquids turn to gel and won't run. if it gets colder than 60 below zero it can be hard to start a plane's engine. at the airports the cold weather hits the crews on the tarmac the hardest. that could mean departure delays. >> baggage services catering fueling, all comes a little bit slower mostly because the crews can't stay exposed to the cold
temperatures for long periods of time like they would in warmer weather. >> reporter: ice and snow can bring travel to a halt but the cold weather itself actually helps planes fly. >> the cold weather actually makes the airplanes fly better. the engines can produce more power and the wings produce more lift. >> reporter: they are designed and tested to handle frigid temperatures. before taking to the sky, this new airbus was put in a giant freezer in florida, minus 45 degrees, to make sure it could withstand bitter cold. you know the bottom line is as long as there is no precipitation, these planes will take off. again, they are built to fly despite the frigid temperatures at cruising altitude get this it's a whopping below 48 degrees. so they can handle the cold. it's when you have the precipitation that is the problem. back to you, jake. >> what kind of jerk anchor would send rosa flores and rene
marsh out in this freezing cold? i'm sorry. i feel bad, guys. >> reporter: i wonder. >> go get warm. i apologize. coming up the devastation staggering. nearly every building destroyed. civilians still barricaded in basements, too afraid to leave. now ukrainian troops are pulling out of this key city. what will the pro-russian separatists and russian troops do next? plus nearly 200 people possibly exposed to a super bug that is resistant to antibiotics. two people who were infected are dead. what about the others?
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cease-fire looks like in eastern ukraine. after days of relentless shelling a key town is now in the hands of russians and pro-russian separatists. cnn cameras went in to give us an idea of what this war is really like. barely a home untouched by the barrage. civilians, many elderly, forced to take shelter in their basements only to come out to wait in line for food and as if the disconnect couldn't be any more glaring today the leaders of ukraine, russia france and germany spoke on the phone and called on both sides to respect the cease-fire. how nice. nick paton walsh is live for us in ukraine. tell us what you saw in this town today. >> reporter: well as you mentioned, there are four world leaders out there still calling this a cease-fire. you may hear behind me shelling hear in donetsk. what we saw today was the result of a peak of violence in a key town called debaltseve where frankly so many people seemed to have lost their lives when there
was supposed to have been a cease-fire in place. a grim wind rips through the bones of ukraine's defeat in debaltseve. the first junction in the graveyard of armor, a trove of loot. this ukraineian soldier died of injuries we are told and this day kiev is still counting its losses. you can see in the destruction exactly how violent the clashes must have been. mostly at a peak during the supposed cease-fire. it gives you an idea really of how many losses must have been inflicted upon the ukrainian military what it must have been like for a sillcivilian to be caught in here. going further, says sergei. how do we live through this she says. i wish they could feel like we did and their children too.
it is the same scene on the road into the other side of town. this russian shows me proof he says that fighting fascists not as seen here more poorly equipped conscripts. the shelling does not stop. barely a home has escaped. this the first time so many have ventured out. their world now part of a growing separatist enclave that is fast redrawing europe's borders. and it so often feels like a state more than a ragtag insurgency. consider this swift food handout where anger at their old masters, kiev is on display. there are many of us here and remember how they said there were no people in debaltseve.
she lived through world war ii. this is worse, she says. is that really possible? two weeks ago, we saw ukrainian soldiers shelter people here and now, down in the basement the owners have changed but the tenants have not. since i saw them last these women have not left the underground. where am i going to live now? everything is destroyed, one says. we have no windows or doors left. how will we live? the war of violence and surprises from the last century visited on to this. politically, this is still a cease-fire but militarily it is frankly a fast advance bicepy separatists who seem to have broader ambitions. the real question is what is the white house's policy right now
to try to prevent europe's borders being changed week by week here in ukraine. jake? >> nick paton walsh, thank you for that important report. please stay safe. in national news a deadly health scare is raising concern about safety at one of the nation's top hospitals. nearly 200 patients may have been exposed to the superbug cre. the outbreak occurred between october 2014 and january of this year. health officials say at least seven people were infected and two of their deaths were linked to the drug resistant bacteria. cnn's national correspondent kyung lah is live in los angeles. we have cnn's chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta live. first, does the hospital know what caused these infections? >> reporter: well ucla medical services has narrowed it down to two particular scopes. these scopes are referred to as endoscopes. if you have ever gone to the hospital it's used often to
examine your pancreas. they say there was an insufficiency in the process and somehow, these scopes were the ones that transmitted this superbug patient to patient. essentially they weren't properly cleaned. we spoke with one of those seven patients those infected patients you are talking about. the attorney of one of those patients he is an 18-year-old high school student, he came here for an out-patient procedure to have his pancreas looked at. he got the superbug. he was in the hospital for more than 80 days much of it in the icu. here's what his attorney told us. >> he was very very unfortunately close to death. imagine being in the icu for months and months. there are some problems and unfortunately, he's not doing well right now. so the family is with him right now and they are hoping and praying that everything is going to be okay. >> reporter: he remains in the hospital still to this day. jake? >> sanjay how common are these
superbugs and how dangerous is it for patients once they get infected? >> well this particular superbug by superbug we mean a bacteria that does not respond well to antibiotics, not easy to kill they are unfortunately becoming more common as we develop more and more antibiotic resistance. this particular one known as cre has been around before. this is not the first time it's happened. they have even been linked to these scopes kyung was describing before. it's not just los angeles. this is a known entity and it is a bad one, to your second question. at times, luckily there are not large numbers of infections but up to half the people who get the infections can die from them. we know seven people have been diagnosed with the infection, two people have died in this recent spat of cases outside los angeles. >> exactly why are they happening? because people are becoming more resistant to antibiotics?
>> well with regard to the superbugs, what happens a lot of times is the particular bacteria at one time could be treated pretty easily with pretty generic antibiotics. as we use the antibiotics more and more what happens is the bacteria that survived are ones that aren't killed by the antibiotics and they start to replicate. all of a sudden you develop generations of bacteria that just simply aren't killed by antibiotics. that's what's happened here. the particular bacteria is something that used to be treated very very easily but because of this antibiotic resistance, that's the problem. now, kyung made the point that this particular bacteria was on these scopes and the scopes went through a cleaning process that is a well-known cleaning process. according to what we read now from ucla and the people who are looking into this they followed the protocol in terms of how they clean these scopes but that protocol did not work did not get rid of this particular organism. >> horrific. dr. sanjay gupta, kyung lah, thank you so much. appreciate it. make sure to follow me on
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