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\s thanks for joining me. don't forget you can follow me on twitter if you can spell smerconish. see you next week. hi everyone. you're in the "cnn newsroom." 7:00 eastern. i'm pop paypy harlow. brek braeking news out of venezuela. the president says authorities have captured an american pilot. i want to give you lytle bit of context. then we're going to go to carlos lopez, who is an anchor for cnn espanol. he'll bring us all the details. venezuelan president nicolas maduro saying just now that authorities in venezuela have captured an american pilot who has latino roots. they say that the pilot was captured with quote, all kinds
of documentation and that this pilot was involved in recruitment activities presumably venezuelans who would take part in a coup. the background here. we have seen an increase in anti-government protests in venezuela. the united states house and senate have passed sanctions against venezuela. nicolas maduro and his government fighting back vehemently against those things such as calling the u.s. government arrogant imperialist yankees. we also noma dur row-- know maduro has set up a coalition to look into human rights violations by the united states. so i can not stress enough there is a tense relationship between the u.s. government and venezuela's government and that sets the stage for what we now see, an american pilot taken prisoner in venezuela. i think on the phone we have juan carlos lopez, anchor and
correspondent for cnn espanol. what do we know at this point in time? >> hi poppy. there was a rally today in caracas and in that rally it ended at the presidential palace president maduro announced as part of the speech and in the speech he also said he was imposing a veto requirement for americans traveling to venezuela, that an american pilot of latino origin has been captured on the board we are colombia and that he was cooperating with authorities. it's not the first time something like this comes out from the venezuelan government. this pilot has not been identified. there hasn't been any more information on his apparent activities. but it has been a very tense week between the u.s. and venezuela. the congress approved sanctions that included denying visas or eliminating visas for anyone who the u.s. government determines has violated human rights in venezuela. and the response from president maduro today was to impose a visa requirement for americans
traveling to that country. and insistence on alleged coup in his country but evidence has been scarce. >> we know these relations have been tense for a while. the maduro government coming out and accusing the u.s. of trying to intervene in venezuela's domestic affairs. as you said coming out today and strengthening those visa requirements for any u.s. citizens trying to travel there. i wonder if you can talk to us about the context of this. have we seen an american basically taken prisoner by the venezuelan government before? >> it's just the first we hear. there was a german who was arrested and held there and then leased. what was ironic was venezuela put out a campaign to welcome people to venezuela and used the picture of this journalist after he left venezuela and he obviously wasn't the best image to use in the campaign to promote the country.
secretary of state john kerry testified in two hearings in the house and the senate and two members of congress who were included by maduro on the list of american who is will not get a visa to travel to venezuela demanded to know when these sanctions against members of the venezuelan government would be implemented. kerry said as soon as possible. there's a dire financial situation. and it usually escalates in moments of tension. it was expected something like this would come and the rally was titled an anti-imperialist rally, a rally against the intervention according to maduro of the united states. >> right. stand by stay with me. thank you for that. let me bring in phil gunston, a journalist in caracas right now. are you with me? >> i am yes. >> if you could please add to this and give us the context. you're there on the ground. what is the sense of tension on
the ground between this government and the united states government? and i wonder if this news of an arrest of an american pilot who it seems like they're saying they may have been involved in spying and as they put it recruitment activities what is your assessment from the ground? >> juan carlos is correct, this is far from the first time an arrest has been mentioned. always in the past the government has failed to follow up in terms of providing genuine information about any real espionage activities or involvement in coup plots and so on. it's quite threw truth the economic situation is in the background. facing a parliamentary election late they are year and if opinion polls are gone by they face a heavy defeat. so it's a way of distracting attention and perhaps rallying support around president maduro who has a very low opinion poll
rating. >> it seems like this tit for tat for the u.s. and the venezuelan government in terms of first of all, visa requirements mandated visas and these anxiouses. it infuriated the venezuelan government maduro when the united states pass these sanctions against people that they believe were carrying out, quote, significant acts of violence or human rirgts abuses against those that have been in the streets in venezuela protesting their own government. >> this is a retaliation, quite clearly. there's been a very tense relationship for a number of years. the two countries don't have ambassadors in each other's capitals. there have been a whole teaser of tit for tat engagements.
this is just the latest although given things on the ground violence demonstrators crackdown on the free press, in terms of arresting opposition leaders, the mayor of caracas arrested last week and thrown into military jail all of this suggests that, you know tensions both domestically and internationally are increasing and probably likely to increase still further. >> phil, what do you think happens to this u.s. pilot in the near term? >> if the past is anything to go by he with' ale hear his or her name in the next few days with a few more details. then the likelihood is once people realize who it is the alternative information about what this person was doing in venezuela will start to come out. eventually after perhaps weeks or months they'll be released nap's the usual pattern. it's not just the pilot.
maduro did refer to several u.s. citizens who had been arrested allegedly involved in recruiting venezuelans or in espionage activities. we don't know their names, of course or their identities. >> phil gunson thanks for your expertise. also juan carlos lopez. of course we have a lot of news to get to including out of moscow. brand-new video that may show the murder of an outspoken krit ek of vladimir putin. boris nemtsov was shot four times in the back just yards from the kremlin. he and a female friend were walking home from dinner. shots rang out as they crossed a bridge. our matthew chance is standing on that very bridge. you can see in some surveillance video we'll show you in just a moment. what do we know about this hour in terms of putin and the government's response to this?
>> reporter: the government and vladimir putin specifically has been up front saying they'll get to the bottom of this. there has been a telegram sent by vut on the mother of boris nemtsov saying just that that he shares her grief and that he's doing everything in his power to find those responsible and bring them to justice. and so obviously from the kremlin point of view they regard this in their words as a provocation. obviously they're distancing themselves from it. you can see it's the early hours of the morning here in moscow. it's past 3:00 in the morning and there are still people coming out to this mountain of flowers to pay their respects add more flowers just a short distance from the kremlin. these are the walls of the kremlin behind me. you can see how close this killing took place to the actual kremlin walls. many people still paying their respects. >> stay with me as i show our viewers this video i know you've
seen. it comes from moscow government-owned station tv center. they say the video was recorded by a low-quality camera that is on the bridge 24/7. the reporter in it says the video shows two people believed to be boar i didn't say republican strategist nemtsov and his companion walk across a bridge. then they're blocked by a snowplow. then the video shows one person left at the scene, presumed to be nemtsov's companion, another person running into a car speeding off. we at cnn cannot independently confirm the video's authenticity but i know you've looked at this video before. what do you think it tells us? >> reporter: it's a good bird's-eye view isn't it of the scene where this crime was committed. if you can imagine the perspective, it's just coming from a building across the bridge looking from a long distance towards the site here. i don't expect it will be the only video that surfaces. it may be but if you take a
look around here you probably can't see this on the camera but this is one of the most tightly controlled areas of the russian capital. i can count at least receive onner eight cctv cameras on the wall right behind me over there. over there, overlooking this area. it's possible they have more video that hasn't come out yet. >> do you think we'll ever see that video? frankly there have been -- this is not the first time we've seen this happen to an opposition leader. we've seen some thrown in jail et cetera. i wonder if you think the russian government would even release that video. >> reporter: you're right to say the investigation of political killings in this country is -- has a pretty checkered history. think about the critical journalist back in 2006.
gunned down in her apartment building. people have been sent to prison for that. the person who ordered that killing has never been found. another poisoned by a radioactive isotope in london his killers have never been brought to tis either. russia has a very poor record of bringing to justice people who carry out these kinds of terrible political killings. >> to be clear, president putin say weelg hunt down whoever carried out this murder bring them to justice, actually in a statement ooh to the victim's mother. at the same time, there are those who point at putin and say he was in some way behind this. we have no way of knowing. what i do wonder is the context. this coming at the time when you've got record high approval ratings for president putin despite the economic, dire economic state that country is
in. >> yes, the approval ratings are very high. the real issue when it comes to putin's responsibility is the fact it's undeniable that there's an atmosphere of inintolerance that's been fostered by the authorities in russia particularly over the course of the past 12 months with the crisis in ukraine. anybody who holds an opinion that is opposite to the kremlin is seen in many ways as an enemy of the state. nationalist groups are promoted here some with vie vooi lent undertones. it's possible they could have done this on their own initiative. it's not a question of whether or not vladimir putin ordered this assassination to take place. the kremlin, of course categorically denies that. but there's an atmosphere in russia in which killings like this are able to happen and
that's terrifying for ordinary people and they express that sentiment to me and to us as they pay their respects at this crime scene. >> matthew chance thank you very much for that reporting. when we come back, a new up-close look at that surveillance video with a countertism analyst. they lived. ♪ they lived. ♪ they lived. ♪ (dad) we lived... thanks to our subaru. ♪ (announcer) love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru. [ female announcer ] we help make secure financial tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people. [ alex ] transamerica helped provide a lifetime of retirement income. so i can focus
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all right. back with more of this video that i want to show you. it may show a murder just yards away from the kremlin. russian opposition leader boris nemtsov shot in the back last night four times walking across a bridge with a female companion. this is surveillance video out of moscow. it zooms in on what is the apparent crime scene. we know it's grainy. there's a lot you can't make
out. but you see two vims who look like they're running. buck sexton, former counterterrorism analyst, as you look at this as more of an expert than i certainly, what do you see? >> again, it's clearly a hit by professionals. it was well planned out. they had studied the target had a recognition of the timing and there were multiple individuals it seems based on this video involved in pit that sort of precision indicates it was someone with training support, and very clear about what they were setting out to do that night. >> we can't confirm the authenticity of it. it's coming from a local television station in moscow. but this is what is purported to be the murder, the assassination of boris nemtsov, an opposition leader said to in 36 hours or so bharch other opposition leaders against putin's government. and right after this happens, putin condemns this says we are going to find the killer hunt
them down. what do you make of the reaction from the kremlin? >> it's been telling that, for example, there is ram pant and reckless speculation coming from russian authorities about who this could be. they have mentioned isis have said all kind of things for which they have no evidence. they have never entertained the possibility it could be someone within the russian government or someone within a specific party within the russian political system that had assassination as a motive. the fact they're leaving that out, you can take what you will of the analysis there. >> listen to what boris nemtsov told our anthony bourdain. they had an interview in a restaurant together last year. >> we were supposed to be dining at another restaurant this evening and when they heard you would be joining me we were uninvited. should i be concerned about having dinner with you? >> this is a country of
corruption. here you have business very unsafe situation. everybody can press you and destroy your business. >> critics of the government of putin, bad things seem to happen to them. >> yes. unfortunately, russia unfortunately 19th century, not of 21st. >> buck we got statements from the president and other leaders in the u.s. on this. longer term do you think there should be any u.s. policy change reaction given this given we don't know who carried it out? >> any u.s. policy change is unlikely. this is clearly a tragedy for nemtsov's family and supporters but more broadly for russia because irrespective of who the actual culprit may be, the message is very much the same which is that if you're part of the opposition you are a target. if you speak out against the
current political momentum in russia which of course is the nationalist putin version of the future then you will perhaps see your life be forfeited. i think that's what comes out of this no matter what we find about the actual perpetrators and a tragedy for the russian people something that's going to haunt their political system in the days ahead and much further beyond that. a tough day for russia. >> thank you so much. buck sexton. we'll bring you more as we learn it here on cnn. up next just before the controversial trip that may already damage a fragile relationship between the united states and israel benjamin netanyahu going to the holy site there and sending a last-minute message to president obama. we'll talk about that message.
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israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu arrives in washington tomorrow night. dozens will not attend his speech at a joint session of congress tuesday morning. it is in large part to protest the fact that house speaker john boehner invited netanyahu to speak without talking to the white house about it. today netanyahu said there is a need for reconciliation between the two administrations. >> translator: i respect u.s. president barack obama. i believe in the strength of israel's relations with the u.s. and through them we shall overcome these differences as well as those to come. >> netanyahu appearing hopeful the relationship between the two leaders will improve. the president is not meeting with the prime minister during this trip. wolf blitzer has more. >> no doubt the personal relationship between the president of the united states and the prime minister of israel is not good.
the u.s./israeli relationship is in trouble because of the public rhetoric coming from both sides. >> the prime minister and i have a very real difference around iran iran sanctions. it does not make sense to sour the negotiations a month or two before they're about to be completed. >> i go to the united states not because i seek a confrontation with the president, to speak out on a matter that affects the very survival of my country, because congress might have an important role on a nuclear deal with iran. >> the response to the joint meeting of congress that was handled very very awkwardly. >> if we had the opportunity to weigh in on that schedule more we would welcome it and probably make a variety of changes. >> on both sides there has been injected a degree of partisanship. it's destructive of the fabric of the relationship. >> i don't remember a time when
you've seen members of one political party, democrats in this case threatening to boycott ap an address by the prime minister of israel before a joint meeting of congress. you wonder if this is as bad as it's been. there have been strains during the relationship during various administrations. international in 1990 george h.w. bush was president of the united states james baker was secretary of state, and they weren't happy with the then new israeli prime minister yitzhak shamir. james baker was testifying before the house foreign affairs committee in 1990 when that irritation publicly burst open. >> everybody over there should know that the telephone number is 1-202-456-1414. when you're serious about peace, call us. what happened a year later made that relationship more tense.
the entrail the israelis were absorbing tens of thousands of refugees, needed financial help seeking billions of dollars in loan guarantees from the united states and basically told the shamir government you're not getting those until you cease the settlement activity on the west bank and that caused a real rupture. what you don't see now what you did see in 1991 was actual cutoff of aid, if you will. one of the strengths that israel has had over all these years is that it's had strong support among republicans and democrats. among liberals and conservatives. if you undermine or poison that relationship it will hurt israel in the long run. they'll have a lot of work to do. cnn commentators ben ferguson and mark lamont hill. ben, i was thinking about this and wondering what your take is on whether or not how these two leaders personally feel about one another as long as they have the same goal when it comes to iran, if it matters.
>> i do think it matters. it's pretty obvious that behind the scenes for the entire time barack obama has been president, israel has tried to work with the white house and they don't feel like they've gotten respect or truly that they're willing to hear their side on this. what benjamin netanyahu is saying now is look i can't wait any longer. i will come to america. i will make the case to congress to make sure they understand where we are, and this president has not been that proactive at stopping iran from getting a nuclear weapon and keep acting like we should trust iran. when was the last time iran told the truth on nuclear emissions ever came truly clean on what they were trying to do? they cannot be trusted. netanyahu knows that and so does congress. >> wow. >> go ahead, mark. >> there are hopefully about ten things i want to say. hopefully ben won't interrupt. very few nations are honest about their nuclear ambitions or
stockpiles including israel so let's not pretend anyone is transparent. the second thing is to suggest now is that benjamin netanyahu has such an urgent issue with iran that he had to do it before march 17 sth a bit naive. if he did it march 18th march 20th april 2nd none of these dates would have drastically changed the political climate except that in israel where he's what running for re-election. this is a partisan decision. he's trying to stand up to america and iran in a way that will garner votes in israel garner public support for him in israel, and this is very much a strategic thing. he's using john boehner and john boehner is using him. it's a really unfortunate circumstance here. you need to understand you cannot have an iran with nuclear weapons but you can have one with 5,000 centrifuges. that's what the obama deal is talking about. >> mark you're implying you're shocked that politics is going to be used by politicians when they're running for office.
barack obama stands up more like running for president than he is right now. that's politics. >> ben, let me ask you this. >> that's not what i said. >> in your first comment, ben, it seemed you were suggesting you don't think the united states and correct me if i'm wrong, is negotiating in good faith with iran. is that what you were saying? >> no. i think the united states of america is negotiating with an incredible amount of naivete to believe that iran is actually going to do things the appropriate way. iran cannot be sprus trusted. they've shown that time after time whether in the bush or obama administration and we are treating them like they're some sort of -- they have moral character or coming to the table saying we're showing you all of our cards. that is not reality. >> i want your take on this mark. if you're benjamin netanyahu and you believe your nation is at dire risk from a nuclear iran would you speak anywhere you
possibly could especially in front of a country whose congress can make a significant difference on that front to make your case heard regardless if you were going to make the leader of that country, president obama, upset about it? >> to answer your question if the circumstances you presented were the case i would say absolutely. but those aren't the circumstances. >> that's what president obama feels he's understand. >> i'm saying it's a bit disingenuous and coincidentally happens around election time. the state of israel has existed with general impunity and it's been able to because it's had bipartisan support. to alienate the democratic party, which has been the party of israel in such a critical moment doesn't help the long-term interests of israel. even if you agree with the long-term interests of israel it doesn't help to alienate that have senate. he could have had ha a behind-the-scenes meeting, met
with five or ten senators but this is as much about putting a thumb to the nose of president obama and the united states as much as it was his own concerns. >> mark -- >> he doesn't see iran as a threat i think he does. >> you're acting like israel's the bad guy when the supreme leader in iran says they want to push -- >> you think iran and israel is the same? >> are you e waiting them mark? >> wow. >> no. ben, you're say woug to something i didn't say. >> let mark clarify. >> i think there's enough room to say one person is a good guy and one is bad. we have serious concerns with iran and we need to make sure that israel is not wiped off the map, that jewish lives are protected that anti-semitism is eliminated and defended against. i agree with all of that. we also have to have a critique of israel, a critique of settlements, the occupation of
gaza, of the open-air prisons, of all of this. we can't enter our position where we have no particular issue on the fact that the obama administration has this much of a critique of israel, they're now being framed as enemies of the state. that's a dangerous and irresponsible position. >> iran getting a nuclear weapon is a bigger threat than any of those issues and none of those issues will be dealt with if iran has a nuclear weapon period. >> not to somebody in gaza. >> ben ferguson. >> not to somebody in occupied arab jerusalem. a lot of people would say right now going on in israel, this is bad. >> guys we're out of time. i appreciate it. we'll talk more about it on this program. thank you both. stay with us. up next a closer look at the man known as jihadi john. [alarms blaring] ohhhhh... whoa whoa whoa! who's responsible for this?!? if something goes wrong, you find a scapegoat.
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this week we learned the identity of jihadi john. here's jim sciutto with more. >> you now have 72 hours. >> reporter: he's been the voice of some of isis' most brutal terror videos -- calm ruthless and with a distinct and surprising british accent. >> our knife will continue to strike the next of your people. >> reporter: now uk authorities have identified the terrorist known as jihadi john as mohammed emwazi a 26-year-old british national born in kuwait but raised in london.
though u.s. officials would not publicly discuss his suspected identity, the white house said jihadi john is a top terror target. >> in the mind of the president he ranks highly on the list because that individual is responsible for the murder of innocent americans and the president's determined to bring them to justice. >> reporter: emwazi illustrates isis' alarmingly broad appeal from a well-off family earning a college degree in technology at the university of westminster, and until his travel to syria in 2012 enjoying a life of privilege. >> he was a diligent hardworking lovely young man, responsible, polite quiet, everything you would want a student to be. >> reporter: his friends said they never saw signs of his future as a terrorist. >> such a beautiful young man, really. it's hard to imagine the trajectory but it's not one unfamiliar to us. >> reporter: emwazi's friends
say his path to radicalization may have begun in 2009 when he travelled to tanzania to go on safari, a graduation present from his parents, but was detained on arrival, held overnight, and deported to the uk authorities suspecting his true intention was to travel to somalia. in 2010 he was detained again by counterterrorism officials in britain. two years later, he's believed to have traveled to syria where he joined isis. his friends claim mistreatment by british authorities set him on a path to terrorism. >> our entire strategy for the last 13 years has only increased bp alienation has increased, people feeling like they don't belong. >> two years before the 9/11 attacks a study from the library of congress found many terrorists are well educated or come from middle-class or wealthy backgrounds. take, for example, osama bin laden, the son of a saudi mag gnat. he attended the best university in saudi arabia.
khalid sheikh mohammed the former al qaeda mastermind attended college in north carolina. ayman al zawahiri a sur skon coming from a leading egyptian family three examples. frankly they stand in stark contrast to what the white house has been saying a lot lately that the lack of opportunity and poverty can drive some this to this. former counterterrorism anl cyst buck sexton we've heard that people are looking for opportunity, they feel disenfranchised, looking for an identity, that drives them to terrorism. does that discount what the white house is saying or there are multiple things and multiple backgrounds terrorists come from? >> the white house on this issue has largely embarrassed itself because the factors they talk about, poverty or lack of opportunity, those are secondary at best. there's one precondition for being a jihadist one the white
house refuses to address with their violent extremism summit they just had, that it's a belief in jihad, in waging jihad for the creation of a caliphate and generally speaking to bring about some kind of end times to fulfill islamic prophesy. that's why these individuals are going to syria and it is that belief that is the essential factor, the precondition. without that you do not have beheldings crucifixions people burning individuals alive in cage. to talk about poverty and the secondary external factors is a distraction from what we should be focused on, the ideological battle. >> let me push back on that a little bit. i spent part of the week in minnesota prorting on a somali community who have been a target of isis recruiters. a lot of the mothers there, the community leaders say they believe some of what is driving their youth to this a minority of it, is a lack of opportunity and feeling disenfranchised. do you think that's not part of it as all? >> as i said a secondary
consideration. there are places all across the country where there are people who are poor have the lack of opportunity, but they don't decide to hop on a plane and fight for the islamic state and engage in killing individuals. the only thing that brings all this together whether it's a poor fighter for isis or a wealthy, well educated one, is a belief in jihad. that is the central tenet of all of this. to try to pull that out for a sanitized discussion of why one would become a jihadist is giving up the game before it started. that's where the white house erred and the american people understand you have to have that discussion if you want to be serious about this. >> we'll talk more about this especially next week on the program. come back and talk more about it then. >> okay. >> buck, thank you very much.
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that's not fishing. that's not fair. when i fish i have to sit and drink beer for eight hours before i get one bite. this is not fair. i guess we have dinner. >> bill weir joins me live in new york. congratulations. this is a remarkable series. i got to see the first episode, what we just saw a sneak peek of this morning, from. not only did you report this this was your idea. how did you come up with it? >> thank you for your kindness poppy. glad you yao got to see it. it came down to a fit of fatherlies no fatherly nostalgia. i looked at my daughter and realized i'm going to be 50 and started asking questions will there still be tigers in the wild how many glaciers left in the alps? will the dead sea and the jordan river still be in the holy land
accessible as these precious bodies of water? those are going away. the grand question for this first one is will there still be pristine untouched sort of sugar sand islands in the south pacific without big hotels or golf courses or strip malls. so we looked all over but found the best possible example of that, this place where every island is different, every tribe different, some anxious to join the modern world, think tourism is their ticket to a better life. others would rather not. they'd rather let everybody else put on pants to punch a clock. >> a lot of them aren't wearing pants. >> that's right. >> you go there and ask them about their lack of pants in this episode. for you personally, what you discovered doing this because what i think is so interesting about this unlike any other show it doesn't show sort of the beauty and it is beautiful, but it also shows the internal conflict going on within these communities. and also some of the criticism they face. >> reporter: right. the jet fuel of any good story the change right?
whether war to peace or love to hate or whatever. from sort of primitive, quote, unquote, to modern struck me as interesting and how people decide what they want. i saw this photograph of these guys in loincloths with bows and arrows on top amazing volcano and i said i want to go there and meet the guys. it took three days to get there and it was in the middle of where. the man's name is bob, his cell phone signal is better on top of the rock than in new york city. the world is getting so small, so fast and it made me think of our priorities in life. what we want and think we need. one guy -- i said if you have all the money in the world, what would you buy? and he said, a solar powered fridge. so you could can sell beer to the the tourourists? >> no. so we can keep fish for longer than a day. there's no power there.
one guy built he is a farmer he decidesed that he wants to build a bread and breakfast. so he spent all of his money on the floor to be built and the engineer came in and said, you have to put sand on the concrete. and it's like a trip back in time. it's like going back to hawaii a century ago. ? and you got in one of the only two cars in one of the islands that that even runs. we will take a quick break and come back on the other side and talk about the volcano you climbed. stay with us.
all right, back with in-- we were talking about the first episode and i teased it saying look at the guy ant volcano that you climbed. pull up the images and tell us first of all first of all, if you were freaked out. >> it's the most accessible volunteercano in the world. lejd has it that captain cook saw the glow of this thing back a come of centuries ago. that lured the first white man to the island nation and you would think that thousands more would pay the to go there. it's a beautiful place and amazing attraction. the tribe that lives at the base of that they believe the volcano is a god. they believe in the 1940s god promised them a boat of cargo if they rejected the christian
missionaries and it's just so fascinating to me that in 2015 and understand how they think, how they raised their kids and that is the reason this has not been developed. what is civillization? what is being civilized? are we living the more civilized way or are they? >> right, and we ask that question many times. i met one tribe and as you say, no pants, you know and they live today way they have for a thousand years. then schooling, there must be a way -- they don't want for anything. they have all the food they can grow and all the fish they can catch and some of the chiefs have been to my home island of
manhattan and decided that this is a better thing. this is a ceremony you -- it's a novocane that you chew and turn in to a cocktail. the place surprised me so many different ways and the point of the series is to make you look at the world in a different way. simple choices we make like we go on vacation and what we demand as we go on vacation is in perspective. >> it is a fascinating series. everyone can see it tomorrow night, congratulations, be sure to watch the wonder list 10:0 on 0 p.m. eastern, right here on cnn, thoo will do it for me. thanks for being with me. "no laughing matter." inside the cosby allegations.
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