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than 30 years her senior after dinner this weekend when shots rang out as they crossed a bridge just yards from the kremlin. nemtsov died moments later. the model reportedly called a friend and a political colleague of nemtsov's and said several men pulled up in a car and one of them opened fire. russian police are looking for a male suspect, someone they describe with short hair wearing blue jeans and a brown sweater. authorities said the shooter likely used a russian-made pistol. nemtsov was murdered less than two days before he was set to lead this rally, a rally protesting a number of putin's policies. whatever the investigation turns up, mourners who supported boris nemtsov have made up their minds and tens of thousands remember him in this rally that we saw play out in the streets of moscow today. some carried banners that branded putin, quote, the shame of russia. our matthew chance was alongside those marchers.
>> reporter: thousands of people, as you can see, have turned out to pay their respects to boris nemtsov. the chant here is that russia will be free. that's what they're chanting as they march across this bridge. the bridge just in the shadow of the kremlin where boris nemtsov was gunned down on friday night, but what message do you think this killing has sent to russia? to russians? >> wake up. wake up. and our old internet just wasn't cutting it. >> reporter: some of the so i switched us from u-verse to xfinity. messages on the signs have been very moving, indeed, one of them they have the fastest, most reliable internet. which is perfect for me, saying propaganda kills. because i think everything should just work. a reference to this idea that whoever ordered the killing of works? works. works! works? boris nemtsov, whoever pulled works. the trigger, it's the atmosphere works. in russia that if you're opposed to the kremlin, it means you're an enemy of the state. it is the context in which he was killed. that's what people are most concerned about here. >> do you believe that mr.
putin, president putin is responsible for this killing? >> we do believe in this, and we believe that the troubles the country is going through is because of his presidency. all right. >> reporter: despite these big crowds and the enormous turnout to russia now where vladimir the popularity of vladimir putin is extremely high and the latest putin critic boris nemtsov was opinion poll is in the region of supposed to lead an opposition 86%. the big question is will this rally in the middle of moscow change russian politics or protesting russia's government simply send the message that if policies, but as you know he was you're opposed to the kremlin, murdered less than 48 hours ago this is what could happen to you. and today's rally really turned matthew chance, cnn, moscow. into a big tribute for nemtsov. matthew, thank you very much tens of thousands of for that. demonstrators marched through my next guest interviewed boris moscow and some left flowers at them seve several times and most the site where he was brutally recently in 2013 and michael assassinated yards from the kremlin. putin has vowed to find and weiss. let me begin with this. i know that you spoke in estonia punish nemtsov's killer. russian police are looking for a male suspect, someone they with nemtsov two years ago and described as being short, and he said that putin is part of a having short hair wearing blue mafia. we all know how he felt about jeans and a brown sweater. president putin, but was it to the shooter likely used a the point where he was worried russian-made pistol. about retaliation and some are all right, coming up in just five minutes we'll have an
saying this is clearly political entire special of this and putin is saying we have fascinating interview that our nothing to do with it. >> i think he felt a certain anthony bourdain did with boris nemtsov just a year ago. degree of impunity up until these are excerpts from the interview that have never aired recently. he's confided in people that he on television before. thought putin might kill him in you've never heard them and you will hear them for the first time candidly from this man who the last year or so. he was being surveilled 24/7 by was just assassinated talking the russian security forces and about whether he feared for his it's also important to life because of how he openly understand, being anti-war, opposed to the russian invasion criticized his own government. before we get to that let me of ukraine and the annexation of tell you a little bit more about crimea is an extremely dangerous boris nemtsov, who he was in his opposition and there are opposition figures who try to life. he was born in sochi, russia in straddle the line and nemtsov 1959. science was his first passion. was one of the most vociferous he was a young physicist and critics in ukraine. protested plans to build a and wasn't like he had been escorting a young ukrainian nuclear plant in the 1908's and companion and he had visited kiev several times and they've he was elected to parliament cast him as a fifth columnist or when he was 29 years old and his a traitor and there were swirling accusations that he was on the payroll of kiev and that political star was rising and it was rising fast. in 1998 then president boris he was essentially an enemy agent of the federation so he yeltsin named him the first really put himself out there, and i come back to this idea deputy prime minister. that drastically changed in 2003 that the report he did on the
when putin took over. sochi olympics, my interpreter he was booted from government and he really embraced political translated it and named the opposition groups. names of the oligarchs and the he was arrested a number of state officials close to putin times for hopely criticizing the who had stolen this money, this government. in recent years he returned to his hometown of sochi. $50 billion that was put into the winter olympics and sub he led a major study and a look tropics and he was an enemy of into the funding of the 2014 many people. >> okay. outside of putin and his regime, olympic games. who were his other main enemies? he blasted the sochi olympics >> well, you had yakunen, the saying most of the money was embezzled. >> the most expensive olympic head of russian railways and the games in the history of mankind. list goes on and on. this is the most corrupted anyone who is a billionaire and olympic games in the history of allowed to retain their assets mankind, my estimation is they and fortune in russia, in other steal about $25, $30 billion. words, they're close to the regime had it in for this guy. he was famous for exposing boris nemtsov spoke last year with our anthony bourdain, as i just mentioned and they corruption and the catastrophe discussed the threats against him and a lot more. in russia. maybe radical islamists did him coming up after the break, the in. bourdain interview special, i remember a report he did in boris nemtsov. the mid-2000 where he talked micro clean formula about the expenditure and graft works in just 3 minutes, spent on propping up the warlord killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. presidency of chechnya. for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture everyday. he called chechnya our palestine
and i don't see them targeting you can call mbut,allow... before other people in russia. >> it's interesting. we had former cia bud sexton and i have a wandering eye. i mean, come on. national gives me the control to choose any car in the aisle i want. he scoffed that the those that i could choose you... the russian investigation is even looking into that. or i could choose her if i like her more. >> no. as i said earlier, poppy, the russian parliament, whoever and i do. actually pulled the trigger here, they have tainted this oh, the silent treatment. case and become an accomplice real mature. after the fact. putin said this is a provocation so you wanna get out of here? designed to destabilize russia go national. go like a pro. and i've just been reminded by correspondent peter baker that putin said much the same about mensure active heart health.r heart: i maximize good stuff, like my potassium and phytosterols anna polekovska who was murdered which may help lower cholesterol. new ensure active heart health outside of her apartment. supports your heart and body somebody very high profile, public figure is gunned down, so you stay active and strong. murdered in the most brutal ensure, take life in. fashion and in this case, literally almost a stone's throw away from the kremlin and then then this pantomime of an thanks for tnorfolk!around and i just wanted to say, investigation is carried out and geico is proud to have no one finds the real culprit. served the military for over 75 years! >> these protests largely
roger that. captain's waiting to give you a tour of the wisconsin now. honoring them certainly has aren't quieted tens of thousands of his supporters. michael weiss, thank you very much. >> my pleasure, poppy. >> boris nemtsov had a could've parked a little bit closer... it's gonna be dark by the time i get there. geico. proudly serving the fascinating conversation last military for over 75 years. year. this is footage that has never aired. he talked about how he was increasingly concerned about how ♪ president putin could be 800,000 hours of supercomputing time, undermining the political system and a lot more. we'll show you this for the 3 million lines of code, first time. a special report at 7:30 eastern 40,000 sets of eyes, or a million sleepless nights. right here on cnn, the bourdain whether it's building interview special, boris the world's most advanced satellite, nemtsov. the space station, that is coming up in just a or the next leap in unmanned systems. little while. it is one of the most at boeing, one thing never changes. controversial head of state visits to this country in a long time causing new division across our passion to make it real. the political spectrum. ♪ the sitting prime minister is here, and benjamin netanyahu is a staunch u.s. ally. president obama obama and him are not meeting on this visit. he was invited here by house speaker john boehner. you've got a lot of members of congress that will hear him speak tuesday morning, but other
members of congress are not. they are basically boycotting his address. i have elise labott, our global affairs correspondent on the line with me. she just traveled to washington on the same plain as netanyahu. elise, what happened in that 12-hour flight? >> well, poppy, we understand the prime minister was working on his speech really trying to sharpen the language. we understand that he's going to lay out what he knows or he believes is shaping up to be in this field. he doesn't feel that congress has been fully informed and so he wants to lay out the deal as he knows it, and explain why he feels it's a bad deal and urge congress to try and put pressure on the obama administration to push back that march 24th deadline. that's a deadline for a political framework agreement. he's hoping that more talk, more discussion, more questioning about this agreement will urge the administration to not only push the deadline back, but to try and toughen their negotiating stance, poppy. >> does he actually think there
is going to be a policy change by the obama administration? >> i don't think he thinks that what his speech is going to do will change the minds of the obama administration. they've been pretty clear that they think the deal is in the best interest of the united states and israel and the world. they think this is the best chance to put curbs on the iranian nuclear program. he's shown that he's willing to buck the white house and go around the white house and use the u.s. political system in any way that he can to get any results that he thinks he needs and so i think what he's hoping is that he's going to convince congress to use the power of the our passion to make it real. pen to maybe pass threaten more i moved our old security whsystem out here? sanctions of iran if there's not to see if it could monitor the front yard. why don't you switch to xfinity home? a tougher deal and that's how he i get live video monitoring and 24/7 professional monitoring feels he can affect policy and obviously through the obama that i can arm and disarm from anywhere. administration. >> i do think that it's hear ye! the awkward teenage one has arrived!!!! interesting that right before he got on that flight, actually, he
don't be old fashioned. wants to take the opportunity to xfinity customers add xfinity home say that he respects the u.s. for $29.95 a month for 12 months. president and it came out like plus for a limited time, get a free security camera he was trying to mend fences at call 1800 xfinity or visit comcast.com/xfinityhome. the last moment. what do you make of that? >> i think he realized the politically fraught tone is damaging to the message that he wants to give which is about iran and there's been so much a kri mone acrimoniy between he and the president and to the relationship between he and israel and that's hurting him within not only his opposition good evening, i'm poppy and the government which feels harlow. tonight an outspoken critic of this could be damaging to the vladimir putin in his own words. boris nemtsov, former deputy u.s.-israel relationship and he wanted to soften the rhetoric and soften the tone and keep the prime minister under yeltsin, issue on iran where he wants to speaking before his murder to keep it instead of the bickering between the u.s. and israel and our anthony bourdain in footage for the u.s. part, i think you have never seen before. they're also soft ebbing their it is an interview that is so tone. you heard secretary kerrie this candid we're devoting the last morning talking about the phone half hour of this program to it. call that he had with prime nemtsov was gunned down in the minister netanyahu last night streets of moscow just blocks saying that this timing is not from the kremlin. good with these negotiations now his death is at the center coming up, but the prime of conspiracy theories and the
minister is welcome in washington. >> exactly. big question being asked by hearing that from secretary of many, who is be mind the murder? state this morning. thank you very much, elise labott. a key witness to the shootings, she'll be on the story for us on monday as we cover his speech in this woman nemtsov's companion, front of the a.p.e.c. congress and the address to congress she was walking with nemtsov tuesday morning. when someone opened fire. coming up next, we'll talk about she was not injured. take a look at this surveillance venezuela. the news out of there that broke last night and the president of video. it comes to us from russian venezuela accusing multiple television and it appears to americans of being spies in his have captured the two walking country and the poor relations late friday night and that's with the u.s. heading for a new when a snowplow moves along the street, blocks them from view low next. and then you see someone running to what may be a getaway car every dollar is earned with sweat, sacrifice, courage. right behind the plow. thousands of russian citizens took to the streets of moscow to which is why usaa is honored to help our members mourn the loss of nemtsov with everything from investing for retirement carrying signs reading i am not afraid. and the kremlin tonight, along to saving for college. with russian president vladimir our commitment to current and former military members putin vowing to bring the killer to justice. and their families is without equal. we begin this evening in moscow start investing with as little as fifty dollars. with an eerie premonition from unique set of nutrients. nemtsov himself. that's why there's ocuvite. >> i am well known guy, and this ocuvite helps replenish is the safety because if key eye nutrients. ocuvite has a unique formula
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climate. russia does not have a particularly good reputation for a transparent business environment, would that be fair to say? >> you know, you are in the typical country of crony capitalism. this is absolutely typical, like philippines, like pakistan, like middle eastern countries and like some other, right? absolutely typical. if you have good relationship with putin and his people around, right? if you have good relationship with governor, it doesn't matter if you are in city, while you have a chance to raise money to be successful, you know, to buy venezuela's president saying real estate in the south of that he is tired of the u.s. france or in switzerland, to open accounts in swiss bank, et interfering with his country and their politics and he's taking cetera, but if something happens action to prove it. between you and putin or you and a number of americans arrested this week for espionage charges the governor you will be in and later released, four american missionaries released
saturday, but it is unclear if jail. it's very easy. >> and they dismantle your -- they were held for the same reason. >> your company will disappear. rosa flores joins me from new york. she's been following this story police raiders, they will block and this is the latest on this broke on our show last night your business. >> these are not -- this is not when news came out of venezuela that they had detained an american pilot. a subtle warning. what do we know at this point? it's pretty blunt, often, you >> it's very controversial, poppy. as you know, and twitter has been lighting up. know -- in cities in america a lot of back and forth from both sides, but here's one the generally when you had a -- the things that i find fascinating. venezuela is one of the top oil big man like a mayor daly or if importers in the united states. you crossed the wrong people bad we get a lot of their oil. so think about this, in the things would happen, but you sandbox, in the business could never directly say that sandbox, the u.s. and venezuela, one thing caused the other. they play the trade game, but here there's really no question. no one's being particularly shy you wouldn't know it by watching this. about it. there is definitely a message if surrounded by a sea of you mess with us this -- bad revolutionary red in caracas, things are going to happen to you. >> yeah. everybody understands that. venezuelan president maduro everybody understands everything turned up the heat on an already in this country. tense relationship with the united states. announcing on saturday the and there is a choice for arrest of several americans for
business people and the owners of this restaurant, right? engaging in alleged espionage. the choice is to be wealthy and including a pilot of latin to be -- you must be loyal in american origin flying an this point of view or if you american plane and carrying what he called all kinds of want to independent, forget documents. about business, forget about four missionaries from north raising money. dakota were detained in just to fight. venezuela for two days and what we see throughout the released saturday according to world, if you reach, this is an u.s. officials. opportunity for you to do it's unclear if these are the something, right? >> right. and this is your independence. americans president maduro was referring to. russia strongly defers if you government supporters cheered are reached you are a slave. when the venezuelan president if you are reached you are very went on to list sanctions on the much dependent. u.s. including visa requirements for americans, a downsized u.s. embassy in caracas and a travel you metal eksander, and he was ban on some american officials very rich and he made mistake including george w. bush, dick cheney, bob men endes and marko from putin's point of view, he has his own position. rubio calling them terrorists in for example, on corruption, he part for what he says are human lost everything and he became rights violations by america in bankrupt and not because he's
iraq, syria and vietnam. stupid and not because he is bad businessman, you know? florida representative mario but because this machine and the diaz balart, one of many voices putin machine work together and firing back on twitter saying destroy his business including i've always wanted to travel to banks and including his business a corrupt country that is not a in aircraft and everywhere. free democracy and now castro's lap dog won't let me. putin messaged main guy. if you are business, forget all this coming weeks after president maduro accused the about politics. i am in politics not you. u.s. of plotting to overthrow his government, a month after i am reach and i control kremlin the u.s. imposed visa and that's it. restrictions on venezuelan >> wow! government officials over human still to come, more of anthony rights and years of an outspoken bourdain's interview with boris nemtsov. ahead, claims of olympic-size opposition that in the last 13 fraud at the games in sochi, months has turned into deadly money, corruption and of course, location. protests leaving more than 40 >> why sochi, first of all? dead on both sides. i mean, why -- why are the as president maduro begins winter olympics being held in closing the doors on the u.s., the warmest part of russia? venezuela struggles and it's why -- why -- why built on a -- house divided. >> venezuela has not responded on a shifting swamp? to the new sanctions just yet, but poppy, imagine a room with >> that's a good question. our special report continues after the break. both president maduro and oh yea, that's coming down
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this is material that has never been seen before. nemtsov, as you know, was gunned down in moscow late friday night within sight of the kremlin walls, just 36 hours before he was to lead a large opposition rally. now the controversial sochi olympics and three words to start us off. location, location, location. >> maybe the most extreme and visible example of how things seem to work here is the sochi olympics. why sochi, first of all? i mean, why -- why -- why are the winter olympics being held in the warmest part of russia? >> that sounds right. >> why -- why built on a -- on a shifting swamp? >> thank you. >> wow. >> you said that sochi is a monstrous con -- assuming that it is a massive scam, couldn't -- couldn't that have
been effected anywhere? if you're looking to skim money off construction contracts and fatten a lot of bank accounts and siphon money often to various offshore accounts, wouldn't anywhere do? that would be less likely to attract criticism and scrutiny? why sochi? >> well, first, tony, i was born in sochi many years ago. i want to tell that russia is very cold and very freeze, a country with a lot of ice and a lot of snow. >> which one would assume you need for winter olympics. >> well, if you look at the map of russian federation it's difficult to find the sport without snow and ice at all, but putin did, he found. this is my native town of sochi and he turned not only native town of sochi, but he chose the
warmest spot of sochi. this is the -- huh? this is the warmest part of sochi. it's the first point. second, there were not any public discussions about this choice. zero. because it's strictly forbidden to talk about olympic games in critical point of view, and this is censorship on putin tv. on cnn, yes. i can. >> right. >> but in russian press it's strictly impossible. there will not be any discussion in the parliament because in putin, parliament is not a place for discussion. well, this is not my definition. this is the definition of the chairman of the parliament. parliament is not the place for for it. >> it seems like a pretty obvious question. if we wanted to hold winter olympics in miami presumably someone would say isn't it a little warm there, but even that discussion -- >> who will ask him this
question? >> okay. >> if you have parliament, if you have a position in the parliament, if you have independent and popular media you can do it. >> okay. >> for example, i describe it in my book, right? which was enslated not long ago in america and i pressented this anti-corruption report and this is absolute personal putin project. it's absolutely personal. >> but why there? >> well, let me explain, there are two parts of sochi. one is in the mountain which is across napoleano and the other is sub tropical. >> right. >> first idea which was not stupid was to build the winter european-style winter resort in the mountain. >> right. >> but unfortunately, there are very small space in the mountain because of nature, because of god, very small space to build
stadium and to build skating rifr rink and to build everything and that's why when they decided -- not they, when putin decided to organize olympic games architectures explained to him that mr. president, we have no space for that, that's why we must use sub tropical area. my proposal when i took part in the elections of sochi, it was in 2009, my proposal was to split olympic games in several cities. >> right. >> to organize ski jumping, by a biathlon, skiing in the mountains of sochi and not in the beach of black sea, right? well, putin said no, and it was absolutely idiotic and absolutely stupid decision. i explain why, because they
spent billions of dollars, more than 50 billion dollars which is the most expensive games in the history of mankind, but nobody will use it after the games. >> why? >> because, you know, i was one in the city, and i know the tennis player from sochi, and i know swimmers from sochi. i know sailors from sochi, i didn't know hockey player from sochi, biathlon sochi and skiers from sochi. zero. that's why all of these stadiums, right? nobody will use in the future. >> and they've acknowledged this. the banks have written off -- whatever banks have basically written off any possibility of ever recouping. this is state corporation and they have said they have no chance to pay money back because this is absolutely unprofitable. at the beginning the promise to replace stadiums from sochi to the winter part of russia, to the rest of russia. now when they calculated this
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calling out alleged corruption at the kremlin comes at a hefty price. a business tycoon spent ten years behind bars after accusing putin of correction. former russian spy, he was poisoned with a deadly dose of radioactive polonium. he accused them of organizing a coup to put putin in power. his killer hasn't been caught. boris nemtsov has been arrested several times for speaking out against putin's government. here's why he says the west must wake up. >> this is a country of corruption. and i explain to you. corruption exists everywhere, including the states, right? even in scandinavian countries. but this is a problem for the united states, for canada, for the united kingdom, et cetera. for putin's russian , this is a system, not a problem. we don't have such kind of
problem. this is a system. that's what he built. that's why if you are corrupted but you are loyal, and you sell for the kremlin, you are in a safe position. that's it. this is a system. this is a problem, on the other hand, for -- not for putin. for him, he builds a comfortable system. but for russian people. russian people are troubled. what means corruption? money from the budget disappears. he builds super costs for olympic games. no discussion in the society at all. big differences, much bigger than the states. that's why this is an uncomfortable country for everybody. >> there seems to be little appetite in the west, from western governments seem to have little appetite for criticizing
putin or pulling for change. they seem pretty happy with the way things are. to what do you attribute this compliance or complacency? >> that's why americans must be interested in corruption up side ru -- inside russia. terrible case. this is serious. problem is that general security problem for russian people and for the rest of the world is that we build very unstable and very unpredictable system. system when everything depends on one person is very unstable. let's imagine that, for example, putin breaks his pact.
what happens? nuclear power. the united nation security. what's happened with this country? result, balance, result. this is real very unstable and unpredictable country. this is important. the last point, putin, he has criminal mentality. obama is not. this is huge problem for obama. for example, when obama, for example, decided to forget about magnitsky act. this is the american act against murders inside russia. according to this act, they're responsible for murders and corruption and have a chance to
have their accounts arrested and property arrested. first of all, throughout the united states and in the western world. this is the act. putin is very much nervous about this act. obama, last year in december, decided to stop this -- not stop this, but decided to not add your names in this list. >> right. >> well, in the white house, people believe that if we behave in such a way, right, putin becomes very happy and help obama, i don't know, in iran or maybe in syria, iraq. >> right. >> nothing happened. nothing happened until american rhetorics and image america like a devil country, devil empire,
right? this image still exists on tv. conflicts. of course the cold war will never happen because of differences of potential of two countries. american economy is ahead of russia seven times. that's why to repeat the race, it's impossible from an economic point of view, not political. that's why. but i think that it is important for everybody, including for the states. if you want to protect security, you must protect your values. if you forget about that, finally, he will do something else. not only london, but something more. >> he seems to feel that he can pretty much get away with anything he wants. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> welcome to new russia. >> boris nemtsov was gunned down friday night.
today's rally in moscow was supposed to be led by him, had he lived two more days to see it. thank you for joining us this evening. anthony bourdain, parts unknown, jerusalem is now. it's easily the most contentious piece of real estate in the world. and there's no hope, none, of ever talking about it without pissing somebody, if not everybody off. maybe that's why it's taken me so long to come here, a place where even the names of ordinary things are ferociously disputed. where does falafel come from? who makes the best hummus? is it a fence or a wall? by the end of this hour, i'll be seen by many as a terrorist