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ng of the united states congress. he will respond to what we just heard from the president's national security adviser susan rice. for me that's it right now. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" tonight, breaking news. the obama administration warning not to like secret information in the speech to congress tomorrow. our guests are "outfront." and cnn has obtained e-mails written by jihadi john. he talks about marriage finding a job and even thoughts of suicide. plus -- [ gunfire ] [ screaming ] >> oh my god! >> [ bleep ]. >> we have new video of a police shooting and killing a man during a violent arrest. "outfront" tonight, the eyewitness who caught all of this on tape. let's go "outfront."
and good evening to all. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, the breaking news a stern warning for john kerry. the secretary of state warning that israel could divulge classified information with the nuclear negotiations with iran. >> i want to say clearly that doing so would make it more difficult to reach the goal that israel and others say they share. in order to get a good deal. >> president obama is also speaking out tonight, calling the proposed deal with iran the best hope of keeping that nation of getting a nuclear bomb. >> and we've got a way of verifying that. there is no other steps we can take that would give us such assurance that they don't have a nuclear weapon. >> now, in a warmup to his speech before congress tomorrow the prime minister of israel benjamin netanyahu, said a
nuclear deal with iran would threaten the very survival of israel. >> iran enveloped the entire world with its tenicles of terror. this is what iran is doing now without nuclear weapons. imagine what iran would do with nuclear weapons. and this same iran vows to annihilate israel. >> many will not attend netanyahu's speech tomorrow which is expected to be much more critical of the nuclear deal. michelles could michelle kosinski is "outfront" at the white house. >> reporter: what we're hearing today is very very much a strong prebuttal to this speech by netanyahu before congress tomorrow. the president is laying out what this deal would entail. remember, this is in
anticipation of netanyahu possibly laying out some very private information there. something, by the way, that the white house said if israel does that continues to like secret information, then that would be a betrayal of the trust between allies. the president said that a good deal would be a long-term deal. at least ten years of iran stopping and rolling back parts of it is nuclear program. there would be intrusive and frequent inspections. stopping the enrichment of uranium and plutonium and its key locations. he did acknowledge that this is difficult, that there has been progress but there's no guarantee that iran is going to agree to this. we just heard national security adviser susan rice spell this out. that if iran does not agree to these very stringent demands, that would further isolate them and there would be more costs in terms of more sanctions. but israel may have other plans in terms of a response to this.
erin? >> certainly could. military ones. michelle kosinski, thank you very much. we should note that during the interim deal we've been facing over the past 18 months iran has not allowed full inspector access perhaps a foreboding what would happen with a full deal. john kerry speaking from switzerland where he's meeting to finalize these serious problems. jim sciutto is "outfront" from the talks. >> my speech is not intended to show any disrespect to president obama. >> reporter: the acrimony between the u.s. and israel in washington -- >> i have a moral obligation to speak up in the face of these dangers. >> reporter: -- so far having no impact on the nuclear talks between the u.s. and iran in switzerland. secretary of state john kerry and iranian counterpart zarif meeting several times to talk about the decades long dispute over eastern's nuclear program with kerry well aware of
israel's concerns. >> any deal that we would possibly agree to would make the international community and especially israel safer than it is today. that's our standard. >> reporter: so what does a deal look like? obama administration officials say a deal is to limit an ability to build a nuclear bomb by extending the time it needs to breakout to one year. this while allowing iran to maintain a civilian nuclear program for power generation and medical research. opponents, including prime minister netanyahu and some u.s. lawmakers say the only way to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon is to end iran's nuclear program altogether particularly in light of iran's in the past cheating. iran has not revealed information on past efforts to research weaponization. >> we have asked questions and the questions are clear so they can answer. >> reporter: the trouble is iran says it will never give up
its nuclear program entirely. meaning that if no deal is reached, military action and perhaps war could follow. even as the gaps narrow today, another key disagreement was exposed. if there is agreement, the west wants sanctions lifted gradually to maintain leverage but iran wants the sanctions lifted all together right away. secretary kerry saying here today in switzerland, in no uncertain terms that is he concerned that prime minister netanyahu will reveal details of classified information shared between allies about the nuclear talks going on just behind me here. it's really remarkable erin when you think about this. you have that kind of bitter back and forth between long-time allies the u.s. and israel while here in geneva you have much friendlier public comments between long-time adversaries, the u.s. and iran as they
continue a feverish pace of negotiations. zarif and kerry meeting twice in the span of three hours. they are doing the same thing tomorrow and into wednesday as you get a sense that these talks are accelerating. erin? >> jim sciutto, thank you very much. it feels like this time they won't be able to delay. "outfront," neftali bennett traveling with benjamin netanyahu and steve cohen, he's jewish and will not attend the speech tomorrow. you've heard john kerry say he's worried that netanyahu will release sensitive information. you've worked closely with the prime minister ahead of this speech. is this true? >> our goal is to prevent a disastrous deal that is being created as we speak. this deal legitimatizes iran's ability to enrich uranium.
why should they be allowed to enrich uranium? there's dozens of countries in the world that have nuclear energy and do not enrich uranium. canada sweden mexico and many others. if this deal happens, it will spell an unmitigated disaster. we need to do everything in our power to stop it. >> interesting point you make that other countries with a peaceful nuclear programs don't always enrich. but just to be clear, you're not directly answering my question about the sensitive information. >> well i don't understand. if this is such a great deal what's the problem of divulging what the deal is? we need to make our case the best case possible to the american people, to the congress in order to stop this very bad deal from happening. >> congressman cohen, president obama has said the goal is to
keep iran a year away from a nuclear weapon. here's exactly how he put it today. >> we're trying to negotiate to make sure there's at least a year between obtaining a nuclear weapon and actually being able to obtain one. >> congressman cohen s. this the best the united states can do try to keep a year just one year between iran going for a nuclear weapon and getting one? that's a good deal? >> well the president and there's five different nations involved here. it's the p5 plus 1 doing the negotiating. it's a year away and if for some reason we don't get an agreement, iran's probably closer than a year. i think the agreement would be in the world's favor and in israel's favor. i'm all for israel. i do not want iran to have a nuclear weapon. i believe diplomacy is the best way to resolve this. i'm afraid the speech will be and has been a fail for israel because the best way to go about
seeing that the agreement has improved is that it would be to work quietly behind the scenes with the state department and the president and maybe even the departments of the other five countries but not to go behind the president's back, basically put a finger in his eye with this invitation that was not bipartisan and held out from the president and having him speak in the congress against the president's position. better diplomacy would have been to work with the administration and i'm afraid israel loses. >> and neftali, what is your response to that? john kerry has said i'll quote him, we will not accept a bad deal. no deal is better than a bad deal because a bad deal would make things less secure and more dangerous. to the point that the congressman is making let's get to the heart of this here. are you really basically saying you do not trust the united states you do not trust the united states and barack obama? >> the words are comforting and
the facts are not. sometimes things look very differently from israel where we are surrounded by isis hezbollah and al nusra. we don't have an oeshcean separating us from iran. i would ask congressman cohen we are celebrating the jewish event that occurred 2,500 years ago of a persian king that was set to annihilate the jewish people and the jewish people were saved. i think both of us are placed at our locations right now. we need to do everything possible to save the jewish state. we don't have another ju weshewish state. the way things are looking, this deal would present an immediate threat to israel's very existence. >> congressman cohen? >> that's where we different. i'm for preserving the jewish state. have always felt that way.
but the an laterwe'll have requirements to ship certain items out of the country. i think it's a better way than to ratchet up the sanctions. i think the iranians will just put their backs up. i think they'll have their backs up and then the only result would be war. and i don't think anybody wants that. >> the interim deal inspectors iran has not allowed them into key sites to show good faith. in november i asked the department spokesman about this and i want to play for you what she has to say because you've got to hear it from her own mouth. >> this has never been about trust, it's never been about an opening in a relationship. this is about their nuclear aspirations. >> the ultimate question for you, congressman cohen, and i asked minister bennett about whether he trusts john kerry and
barack obama. how do you deal with a country that you do not trust, that you think has nuclear aspirations? how do you deal with anybody who you do not trust? >> well we've got requirements that there's going to be observers at all their facilities and everything involved to know what they are doing and where they are doing it. that's so much better than when we didn't know and i trust the president. i trust the secretary of state to do the best thing for israel and for the world. we all have the same end result. we just have a better way of getting there. i think the manner which has been suggested by the prime minister is wrong. i don't think coming to congress is the right way to do it and the idea that you're going to force iranians to their knees is a mistaken notion and will result in a catastrophic notion that would be war and when the minister talks about hamas and hezbollah, then you're going to have them unleashed because you'll have war in the mid-east. i think we want to avoid war at
any cost. >> i appreciate both of you taking the time to talk to us. please let us know your opinions ahead of the prime minister's speech tomorrow. up next e-mails from jihadi john. surprising ideas from his life including marriage and suicide. plus new video of a man shot by police officers. was this brutality or was this a justified use of force? we have new video from a whole new angle "outfront" tonight, the witness who reported it all. and a 12-year-old playing with a pellet gun, shot and killed by police. now, the city of cleveland says that boy is responsible for getting himself killed. his mother is "outfront." there's nothing more romantic than a spontaneous moment. so why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom?
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sf. isis propaganda machine, the militant group launching rockets. what you're looking at is south of the iraqi city of tikrit. they are desperately trying to take back that area which is currently controlled by isis. iraqi forces are fighting back with force, as you can see here. this comes as we're learning more about jihadi john, the man at the center of the horrific
isis beheading videos. deborah feyerick is "outfront." >> reporter: his eyes and voice have become symbols of brutality and hatred. >> this knife will become your nightmare. >> reporter: jihadi john named after one of the beatles is now identified as mohammed emwazi. e-mails reported to be from emwazi show him as frustrated and angry at the way he's treated by british security and anti-terror police during a trip to tanzania which he claims was a deal that completely changed his life. he was on a safari with two friends in 2009 when he was imprisoned in tanzania and interrogated by the airport security there and again in london. british officials believe he was meeting with the terror group al shabab. richard barrett, formerly with
british intelligence. >> two of the people that he was associated with ended up going to somalia. >> reporter: a year later, in 2010 emwazi returns to london from kuwait. once again, he says british intelligence agency mi-5 and anti-terror police question him. he's blocked from returning to the middle east writing, quote, i had a job waiting for me and marriage to get started but now i feel like a prisoner only not in a cage in london controlled by security servicemen stopping me from living my new life in my birthplace and in my country, kuwait. the e-mails are between emwazi and a muslim advocate. >> when are we going to finally learn that when we treat people as if they are outsiders, they will inevitably feel like outsiders and look for belonging elsewhere.
>> reporter: it appears that emwazi's radicalization was well under way. >> we don't know what he was doing there and it's highly likely he would have broken off contact with the people he was associated with. >> reporter: in fact four years before a prisoner swap emwazi writes quote, my dear brothers keep up your work so that you can say on the day of judgment this is what i have done for aafia siddiqui. apparently he was also friends who people who intended to carry out london bombings week after the bus attacks in 2005. he wasn't even 20 at the time. experts say his associations show him on a much more serious path to extremism. >> joining me now is robert from
s.e.a.l. team 6. intelligence sources knew who he was months before his name leaked out. how has he not been killed or found yet? does that surprise you? >> it doesn't surprise me that they haven't found him because the only way we can find targets is real-time actionable intelligence. you need to have security on the ground for people to feel safe. isis finds out about it and they are beheading people again. >> right. >> a lack of intelligence not just one kind of intelligence but one of many kind is evident. >> is there a way to track that intelligence? >> yes, there are certain things that they can do. he's savvy about the technological stuff. >> don't keep switching your cell phone and things like that? >> he's smart enough to know if he uses it he will leave where he was and by the time the intelligence could get to where
we would attack with an air strike he's not going to be there. >> it's weird that someone like this has been able to evade detection for so long. >> it can be used as a tool to recruit western jihadis as well. but even zarqawi, even when my team was after him, it was hard to find him and we had intelligence all over the place, signal intelligence all kind of stuff. >> and even then it was hard? >> and now he has free rein of the place because there's no border between syria and iraq and people who want to turn him
in they can't. they are being executed. >> so how would you plan a raid for someone like him? >> try to get something in place and hit him with as many bombs as i could. >> you would go from the air? >> not for someone like him. he's not worth the tier one status -- >> not like you did for osama bin laden? >> no. i don't think he's worth an american life. we need to get the intelligence we can and hit him with an air strike. >> roberto neil always good to see you. >> thank you. a new video obtained by cnn. this is a video of police shooting and killing a man. i will speak with the man who recorded all of this. and police shot and killed tam irrice. the city of cleveland says he is to blame for his death. his mother is our exclusive guest. the traffic jam. scourge of 20th
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tonight, new video of a fatal shooting involving police officers and an unarmed man. this new video taken from a building nearby. take a look at it. if you look towards the top of the screen you'll see what police say was a brutal altercation between officers and a man known as africa. seconds later, as you can see
from this cell phone video, africa is on the ground. it's at that point that police say he reached for an officer's gun. the police opened fire. shooting five times and killing him. in a moment we're going to speak to the man who shot that video. but first, kyung lah is "outfront" in los angeles. >> reporter: this is how the fatal confrontation ends captured by anthony blackburn on video. >> i heard the officers say, he's going for my gun and that's when the officers backed up and five shots rang out. >> reporter: but we're learning how this unfolded. a video seen for the first time today by cnn reveals a more complex picture. the surveillance video shows the man known as africa apparently dealing drugs from his tent. the sad and only real currency of skid-rows economy. he gets into a fight with the man in the orange tent next to him, violently tipping the tent
and kicking the man. about 25 minutes pass on the video before a number of officers arrive. at first, they talk calmly to africa. when africa dives into his tent officers draw their weapons. about 30 seconds later africa comes out swinging at police. you can hear the sound as officers use their tasers which police say doesn't subdue him. you then hear an officer say africa is reaching for his gun. homeless africa died on the sidewalk outside a shelter, union rescue mission. he did not want the help. africa told this man, who goes by the name nick g. an ex-drug dealer and ex-skid row homeless person all he wanted was one thing. >> he wanted to get away from here. he wanted to go back home. he was very depressed. very depressed. but he had a good side to him, a good heart. >> reporter: how long did he live here? >> at least weeks. i recognize him from weeks.
>> reporter: weeks? >> yeah. but time flies here. >> reporter: union rescue missions reverend andy bales doesn't blame the lapd who showed pictures of the officer's gun proves they say a struggle over the weapon. the officers did all they could, given the circumstances. >> the reality is this is much more than a problem the police itself can resolve. >> reporter: the reverend agrees. >> the fact that we allow precious human beings to live in the untenable situation that is skid row and then we have officers trying to keep peace in this untenable environment. >> reporter: the officers involved when will we see those tapes, kyung? >> reporter: the chief of police would not say when exactly they will be released. he did say that two of them were wearing them that they will be a critical part of this probe
and then after the probe is completed, erin that's when they want to release the body cam video. but this is really important. this is a takeaway for the city of los angeles and other big cities. l.a. is rapidly expanding a program on body cameras. the mayor of los angeles has pledged in the next year or so every single officer will be wearing a body camera. that's 7,000 body cameras on the streets of los angeles. of course all of this happening in the wake of ferguson. erin? >> thanks very much kyung lah. "outfront" now anthony blackburn, the man who actually filmed this shooting. thank you for being with us. i'm sure when this happened you were in shock and you were in shock that so many millions have now watched what you filmed. what happened that made you decide to take your phone out and start filming this? >> well after the officers said that they was going to tase him,
that's when i felt like i should videotape it put it on facebook or something like that. >> and then, of course it turned into something much bigger and more horrific in terms of the man losing his life. i want to ask you, police say that one of these images -- and i'll show it from your picture, i've got a close-up here and a still. you can see the officers standing. the suspect is -- africa is on the ground in this image. he's lying on his back and you can see his hand. officers say that that hand is reaching for the officer's gun on the screen as people can see now, again, this still. you were actually watching this in action. did you see africa reach for an officer's gun? >> well i seen reach for the officer's gun, i just heard the officers scream and say he's reaching for my gun and i just seen the officers you know step back and fire five shots.
>> but you didn't actually see the reach at all? >> i wasn't able to see that closely but i just heard him say that he's reaching for my gun and then the officers stepped back and fired the shot. >> and after the shooting, anthony, you could hear the bystanders start insulting the officers on your video, just so people can hear that it started immediately. >> right. >> let me just play it so people can see it off your video. >> back up back >> [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> a lot of profanity there. you know skid row. what is the relationship between police and the community? is it something where you could see an incident like this
turning into something so horrible so quickly? >> well i've never seen something like that turn so horrible so quickly and you can hear on the video the officers screaming saying that can you back up can you back up? that was one of the officers that fired the shots. so after -- you know after he came and was stating that i was ready to get up out of there. >> well, anthony, i really appreciate you taking the time and sharing that video with us. thank you again. >> yes, ma'am. and "outfront" now, our legal analyst paul callan. paul you've seen anthony's video that we've just obtained from the roof of the nearby building looking down. when you look at that key picture that police say is the man africa lying on his back with his hand in that small circle they say reaching for the gun and the officer standing and the man is on his back. i have two questions for you. could he have been reaching for the gun and even if he were when he's on his back and they are all standing does that
justify shooting him five or six times? >> it's easy to second-guess the cops in this situation but they had the numbers. it was a number of them against a single person but the police are supposed to escalate their force on a proportional basis. as a suspect gets more violent, the police can get more violent to subdue him. but there's one factor that changes everything. and that is if a suspect is reaching for or touching an officer's gun and he gets that gun, in an instant, you'll have a dead police officer or a shot police officer. so that's sort of changes everything. and if in fact -- >> even if he was on his back it's still possible that this was justified? >> exactly. i think that picture probably has played to a grand jury would persuasively say that the suspect had reached the point where he was a danger to the police officers and the use of force may be justified. but frankly, i'd want to see all of the videos and have a clearer picture of this before i roach
the final conclusions. >> the surveillance video shows africa dealing drugs before the shooting. people who knew him knew he had a mental situation that the police knew about. is that relevant? >> they said they tased him and that had no effect. he seems to be a deranged person mentally ill person who could be capable of violence. look how violent he was when they pulled him out of the tent. it looked like a dangerous situation. >> thank you, paul callan. up next tamir rice was shot and killed by a cleveland police officer. the city of cleveland says it was his fault. i speak with his mother next. and the girlfriend of nemtsov is now under investigation for his death.
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death. tamir rice was playing with a pellet gun near a park. someone called 911 to say that he was playing with a gun. the caller said it was probably fake. the responding officers did not hear the second part of the 911 call but they didn't wait to find out. within two seconds of arriving on the scene, tamir rice was shot by a white police officer. now the city of cleveland says that the injuries were caused by the failure of tamir to exercise due care to avoid injury. in other words, it was his fault that he was shot and killed. now the cleveland mayor is apologizing for the city's insensitive response. is this enough to stop the outrage? "outfront" tonight, an exclusive interview with tamir's mother samaria rice. i appreciate you taking the time to be with us. the city of cleveland says your son caused his own death. i know you and i have talked before about this horrible moment about what happened.
how did you possibly feel when you first read this? >> well it was not justifiable. let me just say that first of all. he's a child. and you can't expect for a child to know what they are doing. you know what i'm saying? i just believe that the officers should have followed procedures. who was going to be following procedures that day? so by them being adults i just think they should have followed procedures in a situation like this when they got the call. let's talk about even if they did say what they said how can they say it in 1.7 seconds? they never even gave him a chance. the whole world seen the same video like i seen and i'm sure
the whole world is saying you guys never gave him a chance. so, with that being said it could never be justified. >> and as you say, it was 1.7 seconds. they did not -- they drove that car up so closely to him, opened the door and, of course fired on your son. walter tamir was in a park with other people. the only question i would have for you is whether the officers fear of him being there with other people that their thought from that 911 call that he had a gun, they thought they might save lives. is there anything about this that could maybe justify them saying they couldn't afford to wait that this was obviously a horrible mistake, but that it could have been justified? >> first of all, let me say timothy lo mchlhman should have never
been a police officer. >> he had a past record. yes. >> that's not tamir's fault. we're heaping responsibility on a 12-year-old child reserved for adults. there's no place -- and i challenge anybody, they can't vote drive cars enter contracts and all of that is for a reason because they are immature and incapable of understanding the consequences of some of their behaviors. >> yes. and samaria, when you try to find justice for your son, there have been other recent cases, of course where black men have been killed by police officers who were not indicted michael brown in ferguson eric garner in new york. do you believe there will be justice for your son or do you feel at all like giving up? >> oh no. i don't feel like giving up. i'm not going to give up either. i'm not justifying nobody else's child. but tamir was a 12-year-old kid.
how are you going to justify a 12-year-old kid playing in the park? there's no justification for that. >> all right. well i very much appreciate talking to you again, ma'am, and also walter to you. >> thank you so much, erin. "outfront" next a top putin critic gunned down. his girlfriend a 23-year-old, is she being framed for his murder? and how many calories are in the cocky the cookie on your plate is to how potent an ounce of marijuana is. sometimes romantic. there were tears in my eyes. and tears in my eyes. and so many little things that we learned were really the biggest things. through it all, we saved and had a retirement plan. and someone who listened and helped us along the way.
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he was gunned down within a stone-throw of the kremlin on friday night. russian officials are looking into his relationship with 23-year-old ukrainian model anna who was with him when he was killed. >> translator: we had dinner and went outside. anna suggested getting a taxi but boris didn't want to. she was holding his hand and she heard a clapping noise. >> reporter: russian investigators have been interrogating anna for the last two days. >> translator: i gave all evidence possible. >> reporter: it's no secret he was a putin critic. >> translator: i don't want to lie. putin is our expert in lying. he's a pathological liar.
i don't want to lie to you. >> reporter: two hours later he was shot at least four times in the back according to russian police. outside russia's seat of power. vladimir putin condemned his killing and offered the family his condolences. russia's president said the murder bears all the hallmarks of a contract killing aimed at provoking unrest. russia's investigative committee announced a $50,000 reward for information leading to the capture of nimsof's killers. put >> it's the place where putin spends time daily. there are thousands policemen everywhere. cameras everywhere. >> reporter: he had been organizing an opposition rally, criticizing russia's role in the war in neighboring ukraine, scheduled to be held in moscow on sunday.
instead, tens of thousands took to the streets, paying their respects to the memory of an ardent critic of putin's russia mourning another lost voice. now, anna the 23-year-old ukrainian model, girlfriend and key eyewitness to the murder we've heard from the ukrainian foreign ministry that after she had gone public asking to be sent back home to ukraine, that she was actually allowed to leave the country, to leave russia and to fly back home. now, the only video that has emerged of the shooting of the incident itself comes from a video camera hundreds of yards from where i'm standing right now, across the moscow river, and it shows at the moment of the shooting there was an orange snowplow blocking the view of the actual couple when he was shot.
this area is bristling with security cameras. the kremlin over here there are security cameras almost every 20 30 feet. that video has not yet been released by russian authorities. presumably it's being used as part of the investigation. many of his supporters and friends are questioning the sincerity of the russian government when it says it will try to pursue the killers of yimsof. >> thank you very much. incredible to imagine they weren't on at that moment. and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24. learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com.
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