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that's it for us tonight. thanks for watching. i'm don lemon. i'll be back here tomorrow night. ac 360 starts right now. good evening. thanks for joining us. was he going for an officer's gun or did police kill a defenseless man. that's the question tonight. the video, what it shows and what the eyewitness says about the shooting that left a homeless man dead. all of it caught on camera. we'll show it to you shortly. that's just ahead. we begin, though, with israel, iran, nuclear talks and a radioactive relationship. the breaking news. late word on president obama tonight on the late talks that have divided the administration from benjamin netanyahu. downplaying any personal
differences with mr. netanyahu. he also said he had been wrong before with his opposition to 2013 interim nuclear deal with iran. >> this is not a personal issue. i think that it is important for every country in its relationship with the united states to recognize that the u.s. has a process of making policy. prime minister netanyahu made all sorts of claims. this was going to be a terrible deal. this would result in iran getting $50 billion worth of relief. iran would not abide by the agreement. none of that has come true. >> for his part, prime minister netanyahu today tried to smooth over some of the tension from his speech which you'll recall came from speaker john boehner's invitation. he did not, however, back away from his bottom line. >> iran vows to annihilate israel. if it develops nuclear weapons, it would have the means to achieve that goal. we must not let that happen.
[ applause ] >> prime minister netanyahu speaking today to the israeli-american political action committee, aipac. more comments from secretary john kerry. michelle kosinski is at the white house. the comments from the secretary, from secretary of state kerry, saying he's concerned the prime minister may disclose sensitive information about iran negotiations during his speech tomorrow. where does that come from? >> we're hearing everybody talk about this. it's apparently coming from the members of the delegation that kind of put out the teasers that we're going to be hearing something tomorrow that we haven't heard before. people in congress are concerned about this. we know that the white house is worried about this. but there's good reason to think that this could happen. because remember, over the past couple of days, leading up to this netanyahu speech tomorrow, they have revealed certain details. they put it out there that the u.s. and allies are negotiating
with iran. at the time when the white house was asked about this specifically, the white house said, that's inaccurate. it looks like the israelis are cherry-picking information. it's distorting the negotiations. but today we heard from president obama in an interview and it seems like that information was correct. so possibly we'll be hearing more of this tomorrow. the white house issued a kind of warning to the israelis saying that if they reveal sensitive information, that would be a betrayal of trust between allies, anderson. >> the more the president, president obama, and the prime minister say this is nothing personal, and they respect each other, how believable is that right now? is there some kind of back channel communication that keeps this relationship on the rails? >> reporter: if you listen to analysts discussing that personal relationship they will full on say that the two men dispiez each other. there have been these awkward and uncomfortable incidents in the past. it's gotten to the point that the administrations have put out digs to the others. if you look at the entirety and length of the relationship, and we heard from all sides today,
that this is ironclad, unshakable, unbreakable, the cooperation in intelligence and military really does seem unprecedented as the white house has framed it. you have to look at the broader relationship. and analysts say that's much stronger and there are the shared value and shared goals there that go way beyond the relationship between these two leaders. >> i assume the president is not going to be sitting and watching this speech at the white house tomorrow, is he? >> we thought he would. but when asked about it today -- first of all, we heard from the white house that the president wasn't going to watch netanyahu's speech to aipac today. and he said he doubts he will spend all his time watching that. the white house is sort of saying, well, there's nothing to see here. we already know what's being said. but it seems like everyone is curious right now to see not just what he said, but is he going to give away some sensitive information that could change things for the negotiations with iran. >> michelle, thank you.
joining us now with two very different perspectives, mike duran duran, and carl bernstein. how unprecedented is this situation, the prime minister is talking to congress at the invitation of the speaker. >> that's unprecedented. and the level to which this has descended. and they have common goals. what's really so interesting here is, though, netanyahu has finally revealed himself. he is not king david. he's not king of the jews. he doesn't speak, as he said last week, for all the jews in the world. i think there's a real silver lining in all this awkwardness, and that is that finally american jews, members of the u.s. congress, people in the united states are aware that israel itself is divided on the
question of the government about netanyahu. it's a divided country. he's a minority leader of a coalition government. he doesn't speak for all of israel and all of its people. >> you think this situation puts that in the -- >> finally, i think a fig leaf has been removed about this relationship, and finally we can look at israel as the great democracy that it is, in which 170 military officers, former intelligence and military officers, six generals, come out against netanyahu and what he's saying about iran. and saying that he's endangering the relationship between the united states and -- >> some of them are saying -- there's a piece in "the wall street journal" about it eight now saying that by speaking to congress he's actually making it worse and bolstering iran. >> this is what we call a mitzvah. that finally netanyahu has allowed all of the world to see he does not speak for all of israel.
>> some will say it's a -- >> that too. >> mike as someone who used to work in the defense department, what do you make of this, that the prime minister could divulge something tomorrow? >> i think the obama administration wants to make this all about benjamin netanyahu. the more they make this a question about his behavior, his judgment, his popular in israel and so on, the better. because they want to hide behind the personality issue, the big strategic difference that there is between israel and the united states. israel and the united states now see the middle east in very different terms. the united states is effectively aligning with iran and iraq. and in syria. the united states went from saying it was going to eliminate, or roll back the iranian nuclear program, now it's negotiating about how that program is going to come into existence. so there's been a huge change toward iran. not just on the nuclear program, but on its place in the region.
and the israelis, across the boards, the israeli national security elite does not like the u.s. national security policy with effect to iran. and that's the silver lining here, is that we're going to have a real debate about the strategic issue about obama's iran's policy. >> iran has talked about wiping -- iranian leaders talking about wiping israel off the map. >> iran is an awful state. and both president obama and netanyahu have said that they are opposed and will not allow iran to have a nuclear weapon. the question becomes, whom do you trust? in terms of the safety of the world. american presidents, not just obama, this is a ten-year thing we're talking about. incidentally, i don't know the final line about who is going to be exactly right. but i take both at their word, that there should not be a nuclear iran. and i think in terms of the safety of the world, i would go with an american president and
his successors over the next ten years, rather than a representative of what even in israel is considered by many of his contemporaries and generals and intelligence officers to be an extreme policy. we have the same intelligence as the israelis. we work together to blow up through a cyber weapon part of its nuclear capability. i expect that we're going to work together to keep them from being nuclear. and, at the same time, in a sensible way, and perhaps the united states has interests that go beyond israel's here. >> mike, i want to play something that president obama told reuters and was just released. >> what i've said consistently is, we should let these negotiations play out. if in fact iran is willing to
agree to double-digit years of, you know, keeping their program where it is right now, and in fact rolling back elements of it that currently exist, double-digit years, if we've got that and we have a way of verifying that, there's no other steps we can take that would give us such assurance that they don't have a nuclear weapon. >> mike, in your opinion, to deal with iran for ten years or more, is a bad deal, then what's a good idea? >> well, the problem with the ten-year thing is the sunset clause. it says if iran has -- agrees to some restrictions on its program for ten years, then after that, it will have absolutely no restrictions. and we will treat it no differently than we treat belgium or france or germany. in other words, iran gets a bomb in ten years. why does that make sense? >> wait, wait -- >> but iran is saying they're not developing nuclear weapons and the u.s. is saying they would verify that. >> we would verify -- first of
all, the head of the iaea said that he doesn't have the ability to verify what iran has and doesn't have. what iran is going to give us is the ability to verify what they're doing in certain -- very circumscribed areas. and we won't see anything beyond that. >> can i ask a question? do you really believe that nine years from now, if we find, any israelis find that iran is on the verge of having a bomb, that we're not going to take action? i went back and read a piece you did in 2003 about the need to topple saddam hussein. that somehow, seeing so far ahead, aren't we a little ahead of ourselves here with saddam hussein and a pax americana? >> i have a whole show arguing with you about things i wrote ten years ago. i want to talk about the iranian nuclear program now. >> i'm trying to draw a parallel.
>> but i don't see the parallel. the issue is that once we make a deal with iran, the sanctions will already start to be lifted, and they'll be lifted gradually over time. within a few years their program will shoot ahead. we're not really talking about a ten-year program, we're talking about where are they going to be in two or three years. they'll have a fantastic platform from which to develop a nuclear weapon. >> carl's point is clearly, can we project ten years ahead with accuracy. i think that's why he brought up the past. set your dvr, watch 360 whenever you want. the latest police shooting is caught on camera. this time los angeles. the chief said the victim was going for an officer's gun. a witness described it in two words, cold blooded. decide yourself what to make of it. you can't look away, a skydiver has a seizure before he can pull the rip cord on his parachute. he has a seizure in midair as he's hurtling to earth. also before the most amazing
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welcome back. you're about to see the struggle that ended with los angeles police officers opening fire and killing a homeless man. it is chaotic and violent. l.a. police officials say the man was grabbing an officer's gun and there's evidence to proof it. witnesses say they didn't see that. and no one had to die. stephanie elam tonight sets the scene. >> reporter: it's the middle of the day. los angeles police officers respond to a robbery call on l.a. skid row. it's an impoverished section of downtown with a staggering homeless population. this video taken by a witness on the street shows the man throwing punches at police officers.
the altercation escalates quickly into a chaotic scuffle on the ground. an officer loses his baton. a woman picks it up. she is quickly tackled by two officers and detained. behind them four officers continue to wrestle with the robbery suspect, one officer yelling about a gun. listen closely. there's the buzzing of a taser being used. police officers say it didn't stop the struggle. and then five shots rang out. >> oh, my god! [ bleep ] >> had the individual not grabbed the officer's pistol, certainly we would not be having this discussion. >> reporter: lapd police chief charlie beck says the officers in this part of town are trained to deal with the homeless population. >> the reality is, this is much more than a problem that the police alone can solve. i reviewed the other videos. it appears the officers acted compassionately up until the
tame when time when force was required. >> reporter: two officers were wearing body cameras. those cameras haven't been released yet. video obtained by cnn does give more context. it shows the men involved in alleged drug deals before pushing and kicking the tent of the man next to him. all this before he's confronted by the police. they talk for a few minutes before the encounter turns deadly. the department released these pictures to try to prove the suspect was trying to get the officer's gun. they say the man yanked so hard it caused the gun to malfunction. partially ejecting a round and dislodging the magazine. >> stephanie, how is the community there reacting? >> well, this video taken by a bystander really went viral very quickly. and in the days since ferguson, where we've seen people outraged about police overinvolvement, and overresponse, we've seen people asking that same question, how four police
officers could not subdue a man who was unarmed, and homeless, even after he was already tased. >> stephanie, appreciate it. more now on what the video we've been watching actually reveals, not just to expert eyes, but also expert ears. the audio angle now from our jason carroll. [ gunfire ] >> reporter: key to the investigation in the lapd shooting will not just be what the officers did, but what they said. paul ginsburg is a recorded evidence specialist. he's been in the listening business for 40 years. think of him as an audio archaeologist, a man who digs for sound. >> it's a puzzle. each of my cases is a puzzle. >> reporter: first, listen to a portion of that amateur video captured by a bystander in its original form. [ bleep ]. [ gunfire ] >> that's a lot of noise. >> yes, it is. >> it sounds like to me you can hear someone saying drop the gun in that.
>> yes. it will be much more prominent after we subtract all of the background sounds. >> reporter: now listen again. this time to the enhanced version. some of the ambient sound has been suppressed, background sounds minimized. >> drop the gun! drop the gun! >> reporter: listen again. >> drop the gun! drop the gun! >> reporter: and again. >> drop the gun! drop the gun! >> reporter: the enhanced version was run through a sophisticated computer program which shows five distinct so-called markers for the sound of gunshots. >> so there you can very clearly hear, what, five shots? >> i hear five shots. i hear them and i see them. >> each one of these spikes here, that's one of the gunshots? >> right. one shot, two, three, four, and five. >> that's what the spikes are there? >> these are markers.
>> reporter: but is there even more here? police say the officer shot the suspect during a struggle, after the man reached for an officer's gun. >> you can hear the young officer who is primarily engaged in the confrontation saying that, he has my gun. he has my gun. >> the los angeles police department made it very clear that it appeared to them, they definitely heard one of their officers saying, he has my gun, he has my gun. >> it might very well be here. >> we listened to the enhanced audio again. >> okay. i've heard the word gun four times. >> yeah. you can hear the word gun four times. >> it comes out. >> when we listen to it there a little more closely, you can actually hear the word gun four times. meaning someone is using the word gun two more times. >> that's right.
>> reporter: the use of the word gun barely audible. but who says it? the police or the man on the ground. even with the audio enhanced, it's unclear, like so much of the case. >> jason joins us now. with further analysis, can they narrow it down even more. >> the audio expert believes with further analysis he can in fact probably be able to extract a little bit more sound out of there, possibly being able to decide who says gun those two extra times. but also, you heard in the early report there, that there are two body cameras there as well. and so conceivably, police have heard this. and perhaps that's where they're getting that extra bit of audio as well. >> jason, thanks very much. what the man who took that video says about what unfolded in front of him. orb legal panel also weighs in as well. in our next hour a special report we're focus on the flet from isis. and that takes a lot of energy.
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witnesses, one of them who took that video and spoke at length with cnn's sara sidner. >> it's really truly devastating. i was like really close. i could even feel the vibrations from the gunshots. >> reporter: what happened when he was standing in front of his tent? >> when he was standing in front of his tent, the officers was giving him order, you need to get up against the wall, let us pat you down. and -- but -- >> reporter: but he refused? >> he refused. and once he refused, they said, okay, well, we're going to tase you. one officer took out his taser, and said we're going to tase you. he said, what are you going to tase me for? after that they hit him with a taser. >> reporter: did you see him reach for an officer's gun? >> while he was on the ground seeing tased, i didn't see him reach for an officer's gun. >> reporter: why do you blame the officers? >> well, i blame the officers because it was just like two obsessive.
too many officers right there to -- for not to come up with a positive solution to the situation. they should go be investigated and go through a court case, trial, you mow, and come up with a decision because that's wrong right there. >> that's anthony blackburn who took the video millions have now been seeing, including cnn analyst and sunny hostin. also with us, retired nypd detective harry houk. sunny, still a lot we don't know. the video has one angle on it. there are video cameras on two of the officers. we haven't seen those yet. but what do you make of this? >> at first blush, my reaction was very similar to the eyewitness. my goodness, it takes six officers to take someone down to arrest someone and why does it have to end in a death? why does it have to end in a
police shooting. but when i reviewed it over and over again, this man is what we call in law enforcement an edp, an emotionally disturbed person, with a history of mental illness. he clearly does fight back. he is resisting arrest. and when you have that sort of thing, if indeed he grabbed someone's gun, that is how that altercation was going to end. this is going to be found as a justifiable use of force. but i am questioning how this started. if you know this is skid row, if you know these are people who are homeless and possibly mentally ill, why is your approach six police people, police officers, and why does it escalate rather than de-escalate. >> i will say, harry, two of the police officers end up having to deal with another woman who grabbed a night stick and seemed to be threatening the officers. so then you have four officers. if you have somebody who is out of control, who's fighting back, fights are chaotic kinetic things. >> anderson, it's very interesting that because two officers had to come off of that
gentleman while they were wrestling, to deal with her. all right. now those other officers that are on top of the perpetrator, there's less officers on top. so she might have contributed in a way to this man's death by attacking the officers. he could be alive today if the other two officers were on top of him and maybe they were able to gain control. >> but the idea of four or six officers having trouble subduing somebody, that doesn't surprise you? >> no, it happens to me all the time. >> six officers? >> first of all, six officers weren't on him. there were two officers standing in the background that i could see. two officers responded initially, all right? when he was first approached. if you have six officers, first of all, there's no room for six officers to be on one guy. i've been in fights like this many, many times. i'm 6'4", 220 back then, it would take sometimes three, sometimes four, sometimes five of us to handcuff a little guy. it's not as easy as you see it on csi and television. >> if the suspect didn't have
the officer's gun, or if he was simply reaching for that gun, had his hand on it, is the use of deadly force justified in terms of the law? >> the problem is, with a gun grab, if this is what it is, truly had his hand on the gun, even though it's supposed to be protected by a couple of different safety mechanisms, i would say that's a situation that escalates into the use of deadly force, because once the gun is released, it actually is an act of deadly force. but if there is a saving grace here in the death of a mentally ill person it's a perfect example of why we have to have more and more body cameras. the body cameras may well exonerate the officers. it will at least give us insight into what happened. more of those, there's less questions. and when there's no one around to tell us their side of the story, the camera tells it for them. >> we talked to a gentleman who run as shelter down there and he was pointing out, look this is
an untenable situation for everybody involved on skid row, for the home less people, for the police officers who are expected to actually police them. i mean, there's no place in america that i've ever seen that's like skid row. >> i've seen it as well. i think the real issue here is, what is the city of los angeles prepared to do with this issue. this is clearly a problem. and why is someone who is mentally ill, who apparently was just released from the hospital, living in a tent and not receiving the appropriate medical help. the way we treat people that have mental illness in this country has to change. and i also think the way we train our officers in how to deal with people with mental illness has to change. this should have been a situation of deescalation, rather than a justifiable use of force. >> when the call came through as a robbery, so when a call comes through as a robbery as a police officer you're thinking weapon. okay? >> that's in your mind when you arrive. >> that's in your mind automatically. i was in robbery for four years. >> you know that most robberies are, when they're called robberies, they're not weapon robberies. they would be called an armed
robbery. >> but, harry, in terms of, often people say, why didn't the police use a taser. in this case a taser was used. it's not a -- it doesn't -- what, does it not work? >> it affects people, all people differently, especially emotionally disturbed persons. and people on drugs. sometimes i didn't use a taser when i was on the job, but other officers have. i've investigated cases like that when i was in internal affairs. and the fact that they have -- it doesn't work on everyone. if you have to take somebody down now, you can't keep on zapping the guy, because if i grab you and you keep zapping him, i'm going to get zapped, too, from touching that person. >> how long does it go on for? the police come forward and say, look, we've looked at the tapes so far, everything we're seeing, you hear they put out photographic evidence. how long does it last? >> well, the quick answer is, it really should take as long as it should take.
and they should not allow the evidence to come out piecemeal. because we know from ferguson and many other cases that when this information comes out piecemeal, it aggravates the situation. this should take a couple of three weeks maximum, because what they're really going to be looking at is taking all of the officers' testimony, all of the lay witnesses' testimony, reviewing the audio and video, and trying to get it to us, the public, who look at it and say, we go with the cops, a justified shooting, or these cops need more training with mentally ill intervention. >> i got to say, though anybody, though a police officer stationed down on skid row has a lot of experience dealing with people with mental illness. because they're doing it all day long. we've got to find out more about this situation. thank you. a russian murder mystery deepens as police question boris nemtsov's girlfriend. the couple was walking on a bridge close to kremlin when he was gunned down. we have new details about the
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tonight new details in the murder of russian opposition leader boris nemtsov. one of president putin's most vocal critics. he was gunned down near the kremlin. a city-owned television station has released a video purportedly capturing the video. a reporter narrates it, showing nemtsov and his girlfriend walking on the bridge. a snowplow truck blocks the view. the video then shows one person left of the scene and another person getting to a car that speeds off. we can't confirm the video's authenticity. what's certain is his girlfriend on the bridge with him is a key witness. she's been questioned extensively by police. she's now returned to ukraine. we'll have more on that in a moment.
but first, ivan watson walks us through exactly what we know happened on friday. >> the staff here at the liberal russian radio station is in mourning for boris nemtsov. he gave thousands and thousands of media interviews throughout his long political career. his final interview took place in this studio. hours later, he was murdered on friday night. the focus of his conversation was the war in neighboring ukraine. after his interview, nemtsov came here to red square. it was after 9:30 p.m. he met his ukrainian girlfriend, and they came to this upscale restaurant, bosco, to have dinner. after 11:00 at night, nemtsov and anna came out of the restaurant, and they walked through red square. you've got lenin's tomb down over there.
of course you have the magnificent st. basil's cathedral. presumably they would have walked past the kremlin over here which houses the offices of the russian president, vladimir putin. this area is bristling with security cameras. red square is arguably one of the most closely monitored, heavily guarded places in all of russia. open it's here on this bridge that's just meters away from the red brick walls of the kremlin that nemtsov took his final steps around 11:30 p.m. on friday. he was walking here with his girlfriend when at least one unknown attacker fired a series of shots through his back, killing him almost instantly. and leaving the world with this burning question, who killed boris nemtsov. >> ivan joins us now. there are obviously a lot of theories circulating, some put
out by the kremlin itself. what exactly do we know? >> well, so far, we know that nobody has been arrested. which is striking, again, when you consider how closely monitored this area is, how closely guarded it is. kremlin investigators, russian investigators have put out a number of possible motives behind the murder, suggesting it could be linked to the war in neighboring ukraine. it could be linked to islamist extremists, to perhaps business associates of nemtsov, or even domestic disputes. the one theory that they have not suggested is that maybe he was a target because of his outspoken, long-standing criticism of russian government policy, and corruption, and the war in neighboring ukraine. and that's part of why many supporters of boris nemtsov have come out and basically questioned the sincerity of the russian government when it promises, and pledges to try to bring nemtsov's killers to justice. >> ivan, thank you very much.
we want to bring in gary gasparov, who considered nemtsov a friend. former world chess champion. first of all, i'm so sorry for the loss of your friend. these theories that have been put forward by investigators, do you find them completely insulting? >> yes, i find them insulting. because in any crime, if you investigate it seriously, you ask about the motive and capabilities. and the first suspect must be kremlin. whether it's put. or his cronies from the inner circle. they had every reason to kill boris nemtsov. but the place where nemtsov was, as was explained in this report, is the most guarded place in russia. probably in the world. >> to be killed in that place, do you think that was intentional to send a message? >> i can't imagine a professional killer selecting the place where the chances of escape are almost zero. >> he could have waited until he was in a dark alley. >> i know where boris lives. you know, he would move into a
dark street, you know, and in his own yard. so many places where a professional killer could do his heinous crime. now, that's a place where you must build a record. also to approach the bridge, the car had to come from the south of the red square. there are more video cameras than in fort knox. >> if you are an opposition figure who opposes the kremlin and has spoken out against vladimir putin, you are under surveillance, no doubt. so the idea that someone could be following him and not be observed by someone else who was following him -- >> it's not just an ordinary moment. i know from my own experience, two, three days before a major rally, scheduled for sunday, you are under the 24/7 surveillance. also, if you follow nemtsov and you want to pick him up at the very moment of the bridge, you have to know exactly which route he would take. there were a the least two routes from this restaurant to the bridge.
it means somebody was tapping his phone. who could tap his phone to know exactly where he's heading for and also to make sure that only one camera, you show one blurry image from a tv channel. there's so many other cameras. we don't have access. at least one camera from the kremlin shoots exactly the place where boris was killed. and the trap so skreent conveniently covered. and then the killer, one or more, runs away, and one person or two, they make six shots in two seconds. that tells you something about the professionalism. and the very fact, not the car, not the killers have been found, despite the fact they committed their crime in a very central of moscow inside the kremlin. >> his girlfriend for a while was saying she wasn't being allowed to leave by russian authorities. she's now been allowed to go home. >> i think it's good, she denied she could see anybody, and probably she didn't because it happened so quickly.
but again, it's not about her, it's about all this video equipment that had to provide -- >> do you believe a killer will actually be caught? >> no. of course not. they may catch someone. now, the latest versions taken away by the kremlin press is there were chechens fighting on the ukrainian side. now chechens fighting against ukraine in russian. i'm sure they will come up with their exotic versions. but let's not forget, boris was still warm on the bridge. vladimir immediately said it was a provocation. what do you expect from the investigators, when the dictator rules out any other option that might bring suspicion to the kremlin. >> he's saying the prof inging the provocation to make him look bad. >> then, you know, within an
hour or so, you see it as the local workers, washing away any traces. powerful hose. that doesn't happen in a normal investigation. the first thing police did, they rushed in to boris' apartment and seized his computer. everybody knew he was preparing a new report. after so many reports he did on putin and corruption and the sochi olympics. >> gary, thank you for talking with us. >> thank you. just ahead tonight, a skydiver's dream goes terribly wrong moments after he jumps. the medical emergency that nearly cost him his life, and how his instructor saved him while he was falling. the traffic jam. scourge of 20th century city life. raiser of blood pressure. disrupter of supply chains. stealer of bedtime stories. polluter. frustrater. time thief. [cars honking] and one day soon we'll see the last one ever. cisco is building the internet of everything for connected cities today, that will confine the traffic jam to yesterday.
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at around 9,000 feet mcfarland instructs him to take a left-hand turn. he falls on his back and begins to spin. something is wrong. >> i don't remember anything. >> jones who reportedly has epilepsy is having a seizure. he said he had been seizure-free for years. he spends the next 30 seconds in free-fall at speeds of over 100 miles an hour and completely unconscious. >> i tried to figure out. what are you doing, mate. i thought maybe he was trying to do a new way of doing a turn or something. >> reporter: when sky diving a parachute is typically deployed around 5,000 feet. running out of time, mcfarland rockets through the high winds to the student and pulls the rip cord. at 3,000 feet, jones regains consciousness, just in time to make a safe landing. >> just doing my job. just doing what we're trained to do. >> thank you for saving my life. you know, it was -- yeah, he couldn't have done a better job. just amazing. >> reporter: although this dramatic rescue took place in november, jones just shared it with the world via youtube on sunday.
and in just 24 hours, the video has received more than 4 million views. jones describing it as possibly the scariest moment of my life. on that cabrera cnn new york. >> possibly the scariest moment of his life. hard to imagine what could top that. christopher jones joins me now. first of all, i'm so glad you're okay. wuk us through what happened. do you know how long after you jumped that you actually started to have a seizure? >> it was about 15, 20 seconds after i jumped. i jumped out of the airplane at 12,000 feet. i remember checking my altimeter around 9,000 feet and then sheldon signals to me to do a left-hand turn and that's basically the last thing i remember. then i spent the next 30 seconds unconscious. thankfully sheldon pulled my rip cord and i wake up at 3,000 feet under a perfectly inflated parachute. >> can you tell a seizure is
coming on before it happens? >> no, unfortunately in my case i can't. i had no idea what was happening. after i wake up, i didn't know whether it was a seizure. i thought i may have just blacked out, or something else. >> so you don't remember anything, you're completely unconscious during the seizure. >> completely unconscious. but i can remember everything up to the point and everything after i wake up. >> i'm amazed that your instructor had the presence of mind, i mean, he rockets toward you, as anna said, he's able to grab you, deploy your parachute. it's incredible. he saved your life, no doubt about it. >> yes, yes, he did. having said that, there are automatic deployed parachutes on the outer chutes in case he didn't get to me in time. and one deploys about 2,050 feet. the other one is the reserve
parachute that deemploys at 700 feet. >> so the idea, though, when you come out of being unconscious, did you know what had happened? was it like you suddenly woke up at 3,000 feet and were hurtling toward the ground? >> obviously i knew something had happened. i woke up and just put that to the back of my mind and had to follow the steps that i had been taught. like, check the altimeter at 3,000 feet, and check the parachute is fully inflated, make sure there are no line twists and the slider is all the way down. and the instructions that i received via radio. >> when you first saw the video, what was -- i mean, was it more stressful watching the video than actually going through the experience since you were unconscious for the whole thing? >> yeah, obviously it was a bit more stressful. my reaction was a bit of shock what actually happened. and then it kind of hit home that i could have potentially died that day. but thankfully sheldon was there
to rescue me. >> i guess the obvious question, i think i probably know the answer, are you going to skydive again? >> i wish i could. but unfortunately i can't do this anymore. but if there's an opportunity to tandem in the future, i would do that. >> you would go as a tandem, but because of the solo, because you had a seizure, not able to do that? >> yeah. probably not be allowed to do that. i think it's a bit of a big risk. i wouldn't be able to solo anymore. but definitely be able to do tandem jumps. >> christopher, i appreciate you sharing the video with the public. thank you so much for talking with us. >> you're very welcome. thank you. >> just amazing. up next, a 360 special report. we'll take an in-depth look at the terror group all throughout the next hour, who are they and what do they want and how can they be stopped. ♪♪ at mfs, we believe in the power of active management. every day, our teams collaborate around the world to actively uncover, discuss and
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