tv Legal View With Ashleigh Banfield CNN March 5, 2015 9:00am-10:01am PST
it might be possible from the farther end of the airport. but right now, people are backing up here, flights are canceled. everybody now trying to figure out what to do next. >> all activity shut down until 7:00 p.m. tonight. thanks so much. delta flight 1086 skidding off the runway at la guardia right there. we understand all the passengers have been evacuated. only minor injuries we're hearing right now. much more information on "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starting right now. hello everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. our breaking news comes to us via the weather and an airport that would rather not be in the predicament it's in. a scene you rarely see. this plane within the last hour and a half slid off runway 13 at la guardia airport. and those passengers had to
deplane via the slides. the map on your screen right now depicts the entryway to that airport and to that runway, and yes, that is water. it came off the water coming in from atlanta. it made that landing and skidded off onto one of the berms that line that runway. you can see from the pictures breaking through a fence. here is the good news because on a day like this, it is frightening for anyone nearby and certainly for the 125 passengers and five crew on that plane. no one seriously injured. we are told minor injuries. you can see the deplaning efforts right there. also a rare sight after a plane crash and thank god a plane crash that did not yield any deaths. i want to go live to our correspondent on the scene. miguel marquez is at la guardia. the weather story has turned into a plane crash. >> reporter: it's always a concern with the weather.
it has been snowing very, very heavily today. they are accustomed to that here at la guardia and certainly this year where they've had several big snowstorms. they've been clearing the runway all day. about a third of the flights had been canceled until this. now everything is at a stop at la guardia. even planes headed into the airport have been diverted. fortunately, that delta flight from atlanta landed here, skidded off sort of midway through the runway. initial reports here that there are minor injuries. everybody is off that plane. a wing may be broken and there may be jet fuel that has spilled onto the runway and the surrounding area that will have to be remediated. i can tell you just in the half hour or so or hour that this has happened, the american terminal where we are right now has become packed with people trying to figure out what is next for them and how they either get out
of here today or tomorrow. at this point, everything is stopped until at least 7:00 p.m. the port authority of new york and new jersey which runs this facility says that they are trying to figure out a press conference very soon. but all the passengers are safe, indoors. one of our photographers over near that area says that it is lots and lots of emergency vehicles there to assist. fortunately, it sounds like there are no serious injuries. ashleigh? >> stand by if you will for a moment. we're also getting live reporting in from people who are there and actually stuck. as miguel mentioned, no planes coming in, diverted instead, no planes going out. which means there are a lot of planes sitting there on the runway. frank joins us live on the telephone right now aboard one of the planes sitting on a runway until everyone can figure
out how to get this runway back up and running again. can you hear me? >> yes, i can. >> what can you see from the airplane that you are currently in? >> we are between -- between the terminal c and d at delta. about a 30 degree angle with the nose in the air. the emergency door exit on the right side of the plane which would be first class is open and two emergency doors on the wing appear to be open. and our view is blocked by an emergency vehicle to the rear. right now, there are probably about 30 to 40 emergency vehicles at the plane. we don't see any passengers at this time. the doors are open. it's quite possible they're already off the flight. >> i wanted to ask you about the emergency vehicles. i know you just mentioned one of them is obscuring your view of some of the exits. how many emergency vehicles and
are there any ambulances currently that you might be able to witness taking people away? >> i'd say 30 to 40 emergency vehicles which include police and fire trucks and then police cars and so on. but i have not seen any passengers taken away in emergency vehicles at this point. >> that's good news. can you see also any evidence of the passengers being evacuated at least from these -- these runways? strangely enough, they're still active runways if planes are on them, even if they're idling like the one you're in. have you seen anything? >> no. we have not seen any buses that would be transporting passengers. this happened about a half hour ago, 40 minutes ago. quite possible that they're back in the holding area. >> also, frank, we're looking at our television screens right now as you're speaking from on board
your aircraft on one of those runways at la guardia, it's hard to tell whether this plane skidded off to the left towards the water or to the right towards where the terminal is. can you tell from where you are? >> yes. it appears to have skidded towards the water which takes it away from the terminal. away from the terminal. terminal being on the left side of the runways. this would be pointing towards the east. >> can i also ask you what -- what are your flight crew telling you at this point? are you going to be there -- are you being given any guidance as to what's happened or how long you're going to be stuck there? >> delta's been pretty good about it. they're saying the airport is closed at this time. they're in the terminal. they have been put in the lounge at gate d.
for some reason, they evacuated that lounge. otherwise, it's sit and wait here. looking at a car going past. >> and obviously runway 13 where, you know, this happened and this is the image we're looking at right now, a very obstructed runway 13. are you seeing any evidence of heavy machinery to tow and pull that aircraft out of that area so that ultimately the airport can get up and running again? >> there are large vehicles out there. i can't say for sure if they are tow. but this plane will obviously have to be lifted before it's towed. >> also, the pictures we're seeing are slightly delayed. so we can see passengers deplaning. but it's our understanding that they have all been evacuated from the aircraft. can you see any evidence of passengers still on the runway? >> no, i cannot. >> so what you're seeing is just
the emergency vehicles that we're now seeing on the screen and maybe just the emergency responders, like you said police and fire responders on the runway now? >> yes, there is a significance response to the aircraft. >> miguel marquez also reported that there is this concern of a leak of fuel on the runway. are you seeing any evidence of them inspecting, obviously if fire is there, that's first and foremost on their minds. what are you witnessing if anything with regard to that report? >> from my vantage point we cannot witness any type of fuel spoil nor any attempt to recover fuel or decome -- decontaminate. >> it's hard to tell from the pictures on our screen how bad the weather really is, but there is a significant amount of
snowfall right now in the new york area. i am needing only to look to my right out of the studio window to see how much snow is falling currently. like i said, it is not as visible in the camera lens as it is the naked eye. the map to the right should give you an indication. that image should tell you it is bad out there. i want to go to david soucie who is an expert in all things aviation. he wrote the book on it. if you're looking at these pictures and seeing the way this plane skidded up and over this berm and through that fence, as mr. shay has just reported to us, towards the water side of la guardia airport, can you determine anything just solely by seeing the pictures? obviously not being at la guardia yourself? >> to me, what's a concern and what the faa will look at immediately is whether or not the port authority made the
correct decision in allowing that aircraft to land there. because that ask their responsibility. if the aircraft are not able to make a safe landing, then it's their responsibility to make them divert to another landing. to determine if the regulatory authority is what made the mistake that caused the accident. to me, what that says, is that aircraft don't just veer off the runway when they're landing in a safe environment. this is something obviously to do with the weather. what we looked at is whether or not that airport and that particular landing area was suitable for landing the aircraft. that's going to be a big decision and a hefty fine for someone if they find it was not ready for landing. >> i'm going to talk about the weather and how quickly that can change as well. and whether that is something you can determine in a moment. maybe you can help me understand this. that is that aircraft veered to the water side.
i have landed at la guardia many times and having witnessed what happened at the pa toe mack river in washington d.c. and a terrible craft in which an aircraft skidded off the runway and lives were lost, i am always at the edge of my seat coming into this particular airport. that said, should la guardia be treated differently perhaps in making an advanced call. >> yes, i think you're exactly right. they do have different things they look at in that particular airport. it has more to do with winds than it does have to do with the separation of the landing strip from the water. so what may have affected here is the prevailing wind. once the aircraft starts to skid, it's just a flat plate skid. in other words, the rolling impact or the rolling friction of the wheels on the surface don't do anything.
you're just literally sliding along as though you're hydro planing. any kind of wind will push that aircraft in that particular direction. i haven't looked at the weather charts yet. i would suspect they were probably towards that water and that's why it was pushed off in that direction. >> if you would, stand by for a moment, david. i want to go back to miguel marquez who's reporting live from the scene. miguel, you have further information regarding that fuel situation, the potential spill? >> reporter: yeah. authorities do say there has been a fuel spill. it's not how big that is. that certainly will be something that will complicate matters. we know it came in from the bay side, the runways here at la guardia stick out into the bay. it can either be a thrilling or a frightening landing here, especially in bad weather. the berm is along the left of the plane. to see the pictures of the plane almost perpendicular over that
berm into that fence, it must have been a great force or an incredible slide that that plane took. because that is right alongside the runway. we do know that all the passengers have been taken off that plane, that there are minor injuries fortunately and it doesn't sound like anybody was seriously injured. since this has happened, the terminal here at the american terminal has filled with people trying to figure out what their plans are now because all flights here are canceled, even flights that were headed into la guardia are now diverted. so it is going to be a mess here for some time to come. that ground stop is in effect until at least 7:00 p.m. tonight. ashlei ashleigh? >> that's just going to be a nightmare for so many of those passengers, least of all the people still on the runways. they are stuck. miguel marquez reporting for us.
i want to go over something. so often when these things happen there are lots of varying bits of information. when you get it straight from the faa you can rely on this. confirming it is delta airlines 1086. an md-88. the aircraft did indeed slide off of runway 13 after landing at about 11:10 this morning. it had been coming in from harts field-jackson airport in atlanta. this is from delta now. there were 125 people on board, five crew members on board. chad meyers is standing by live. as they deice planes, what do they do to deice runways. they sure aren't spraying them the same way you're spraying the planes. >> no, you can't put down a salt brine. the problem is, if you put down
salt, you would corrode the a m aluminum of the aircraft itself. it's a fine line between traction and no traction. it has been -- when i got on the air this morning. it was 32 and raining and now it's 26 and snowing. so the roads started wet. it continued to snow and now it's all freezing up. that's what we've been seeing now all morning long, the roads freezing and obviously the tarmac freezing. here's a look at where we are here. we talked to frank. there's terminal d and c. he's between these two terminals looking right here at the plane right there on this berm. the plane came into 1-3. as it was coming down, it was braking. clearly something went wrong in the braking process. david thought the wind might have been blowing this way, but in fact the wind was blows from the north. could that tail that's sticking
up like a big sail have caused enough yaw in that airplane to get the nose to turn to the left to get to the berm or could there have been something else we're not even looking at? some type of braking issue with a reverse thruster. >> i think the overcompensation -- the wind could kick the tail around but that doesn't necessarily mean the aircraft would go in that direction until it's counteracted by the pilot's movements. i think he would have been already in the wind and once he landed and lost the friction on the runway, he couldn't keep up with it and allowed it to continue to go off to that direction. >> to that very point, mary schiavo said earlier on this is almost like the average person could understand, a fish tailing. when you start losing control of your car on a icy road you begin
to fish tail. does that make sense to you? >> it does. that's what i was referring to is this overreaction. by the time you react by pushing the rudder, the momentum is going that direction and you turn back the other way, so eventually it gets a fish tailing type effect and you end up going in whatever direction -- when the tires do finally get any kind of grip, whatever direction the aircraft is pointing is the direction you're going to go. >> can i quickly read what delta airlines is tweeting out right now, verbatim, flight 1086 atlanta, la guardia exited runway 13 this morning during landing. customers have deplaned. our priority is ensuring customers and crew are safe. david soucie, to that end, the position of the plane, that it went up that berm, it must have
hit with some element of force and not really clearing a lot of that runway, so still going fairy quickly and up on that bank. what would that have been like for those inside the cabin for those who hopefully had their seat belts strapped very tight? >> if they weren't listening and didn't have their seat belts on, it could have been a fatal event. those berms are there to protect any kind of fuel spill, also on the berm, it prevents anything from coming up on the other side. you're talking about ten or 15 feet deep going well over 100 miles per hour and hitting that thing. that's like the ultimate speed bump. it would have been a traumatic experience. it's not something that they're going to be able to salvage that aircraft. >> really? >> in the cabin. >> and -- and to that end, how
will they get that airplane out of there? we just spoke with frank shay who's stuck on an adjacent aircraft. he's stuck on a runway and likely not going to move any time soon in all the heavy equipment can get in there and tow it out of there. what do they use to get aircrafts like that out of those predicaments? >> in denver we had a similar aircraft accident. in order to get it out of there, you have to use a crane. the difficult thing is getting the structure underneath the crane to lift it. you put these huge airbags and you lift the wings up somewhat, literally jack it up enough to get good support underneath it to lift it up and place it onto dollies. then the dollies will move the aircraft -- or it can be disassembled. >> if you would, stand by for a moment. i want to reset for the viewers. breaking news comes to us via la
guardia airport in a terrible snowstorm. the weather has been awful for hours and it just got a lot worse for all of the people on delta flight 1086 coming in from atlanta into new york city's la guardia airport. this is how those passengers landed on runway 13. in this md-88 aircraft with 125 passengers on board and five crew members. this is how they deplaned. you can see them exiting that over the wing exit and sliding down the chutes to the back of the wing. if there's any reason to read the safety card in the back of the seat in front of you when you get on an airplane, this is it, folks. only certain areas of that airplane were able to be opened. clearly the one in the front did not open because it's jammed through the fence. this is effectively what happened after that plane landed at 11:10 this morning eastern time at la guardia airport.
again, minor injuries we are told by delta, but no major injuries. without question, a lot of shaken passengers who landed that way in new york city this morning. i want to go to miles o'brien, cnn aviation analyst standing by live as well with us on the telephone. miles, something david just mentioned about that berm, the berm is what that aircraft went up onto and slightly over and through that fence. is that berm the only thing keeping that aircraft from veering to the left and into the water that you can carelearly s on the map? >> yeah, that's clearly the case. that berm is kind of alongside the runway. if you look at the aerial view, you get a sense of it. it's pretty much like a stationary aircraft carrier. the runways there are only 7,000 feet in length. an md-80 on a good day needs about 5,000 feet. it's varsity flying for an airliner to go in there on a
good day. on a day like today, the visibility is low, the ceiling is low, and the runway is not as firm as it could be, you really want to be on your toes. couple things. if you look at the right ends in there towards the back, it's clear that the thrust reversers are not deployed at that moment. there's a clam shell kind of device designed to slow the plane now a lot quicker. what does that mean? does that mean that the thrust reversers were not deployed, is it possible it was asymmetric thrust reverse which caused the plane to veer off to the side, was there a brake that worked on one side and not on the other that caused it to veer or cross winds combined with a slippery runway. i'm looking at the winds right
now coming out of 3-2-0. it's almost a direct tail wind for that runway. if they were landing at a tail wind, that would mean the plane was traveling relative to the ground faster. and we don't know the exact conditions at 11:00 a.m. when this occurred. but that's another factor to consider. so you've got a situation where you've got a short runway, difficult weather conditions, and maybe possibly a situation where their brakes or the thrust reversers didn't operate accordingly. all those things can add up to what you're seeing here. >> miles o'brien, if you could standby for a moment. thank you for that. that's excellent information that miles has given us, that la guardia airport has these 7,000-foot long runways. for an md-88 like this, it takes about 5,000 feet. on a day like this, clearly things did not go right.
a lot of questions still to be answered. we're following this breaking news. and then there's this. on the right-hand side of your screen. miles and miles of roads shut down. and the people who were driving on them trapped. some of them for as long as 14 hours. and the snowstorm on the right is not in the north. it is in kentucky. we're going to take you there next. gets. ♪ wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers, carpenters and even piano tuners were just as simple? thanks to angie's list, now it is. we've made hiring anyone from a handyman to a dog walker as simple as a few clicks. buy their services directly at angiealist.com. no more calling around. no more hassles. and you don't even have to be a member to start shopping today! angie's list is revolutionizing local service again. visit angieslist.com today.
breaking news here at cnn. we are covering a weather story that has branched out into a lot of accidents and small crises in fact. the latest incident just happening a little over an hour ago at la guardia airport in new york. that is an md-88. it's flight 1086 that was supposed to land here in new york from atlanta. it landed, skidded, went up and over that berm through a fence. passengers having to get out the exits onto the wing and slide down to the runway. some not wearing anything other than what they were waring when they landed. a fuel leak also ensued and basically a complete stop of all traffic in and out of la guardia airport until 7:00 tonight. pla planes that were supposed to be coming in diverted somewhere else. planes going out sitting there
on the runway. some can see what's going on. what you saw on the right-hand side of the screen looked a lot like it could be the northeast as well, but it wasn't. it was kentucky. this weather system that has 90 million americans in its cross hairs has kentucky in the cross hairs too. if you plan to go down that roadway or just care about those on the roadway on that screen, they are stuck. some of them for upwards of 14 hours. those are the two weather stories. also want to get back up to new york. this weather story and this airplane crash story is developing as well. miguel marquez is live from cnn at la guardia airport right now. you've been reporting on this ancillary story after this crash. that is that there was a fuel leak from that md-88. what's the circumstance with the fuel now? >> reporter: we understand that that fuel leak is completely
contained. that said, it sounds like there is a lot of fuel out there, perhaps as much as a thousand gallons of fuel. that's from our photographer on the ground over nearer to the crash site. we also have a better indication of how this happened. the nose is -- the plane itself is perpendicular to the runway. so it must have landed with great force and took a left turn into that berm with great force. they've instructed all other flights to go around, to climb. and then they said that they tried to get ahold of the -- somebody in the cabin. that they didn't hear back from him. okay, i just heard back, he's leaking fuel on the left side. they said, yes, we understand fire officials have now broken down into three teams. one to deal specifically with that fuel leak. the other team to deal with the
hydrants. this area is so far away from where the hydrants are on the airport property, it is very difficult to get water and the necessary chemicals to that area in order to take care of that fuel leak and make sure the plane is fine. the third team is there to deal with the passengers. all passengers deplaned. light injuries, nothing very serious. but certainly a serious situation here. show you the american terminal where we are now. it has expanded to 20 or 30 people in line here. everything is shut down. everything diverted for now until at least 7:00 p.m. tonight. this is the priority line here. you can imagine lines across this airport, all terminals are just terrible. ashleigh? >> so many people i'm seeing from the lens on their phones possibly trying to make alternate arrangements to get wherever it is they were supposed to be doing. if we can show the picture again
of the runway and how it sits in relation to the water. there you go. this plane was coming in heading to the top of the screen along that long runway. it is nothing but a berm that separated that aircraft from veering to the left and going into that long island sound and the waterway to the left of the runway. so effectively, when that -- when that plane skidded and effectively fish tailed on that runway, it banged into the berm on the left and went up and over through that fence, but did not go further and into the water on the left-hand side of the screen. if there is any good news, it is that. and also that there are no major injuries. we are told some minor injuries from the 125 people on board and five crew members on board as well. chad meyers if you are standing by, this is something we've all known. we were all told from 7:00 last
night until 7:00 tonight here in the new york area, it is going to bedy sast rous. anywhere from four to 8 inches. la guardia plays by these rules too. with that kind of circumstance, water surrounding runways, you got to feel as though they're making extra precautions when they keep that runway open. >> the weather went from 33 and raining this morning at 6:00 and then it went to 32. it was still raining, then it changed over to snow and it continued to snow, but the temperature's down to 25. all of that liquid that was rain is now still on the runway in the grooves and the snow is piling on top. so we're getting icing not only on the runways, but the roadways as well. it's going to get down to 10 degrees in new york. new jersey, you might be four. even salted roads are going to freeze tonight. and here is the issue. the issue is as the plane was coming down 1-3, you were
talking about this, the berm is right along here. there's nothing on the other side of the berm but water. and i fly into this probably as much as you do. it's a scary landing on a good day. i bet it was petrifying for the people on that plane. people stuck on the highway louisville, nashville right through here. we've had 14 to 24 inches of snow in 24 hours. that snow is headed to the east. there's not much moisture left, but we're probably going to get four to six in new york. so it's certainly not done. that's what i-65 looked like. there are spots right now on i-80, 76, i've seen it on the parkway where cars have spun out. trucks have jackknifed and there are backups, five and 10-mile backups going on. at least there were before i came down here to talk about this airplane.
please don't go on the road f. you absolutely have to, don't go on the road without a full tank of gas. because it's going to be 4 degrees tonight and you have to keep yourself warm in a stuck car, that engine's the only thing that's going to keep you warm. >> i'm glad you said that. we're going to speak to someone who's been stuck for 14 hours in kentucky. it's excellent advice. you should have a candidate until your glove box and emergency criminate. chad, standby for a moment. with the weather we've been seeing, i also want to bring to light some of the developments. we're getting pictures in from our affiliate wabc out in new york. we do have a report from the new york fire department that there are six minor injuries that resulted from the crash of flight 1086.
six minor injuries and that some of those will be transported to hospital. we can only presume maybe this is going to be one of the people being put into an emergency vehicle on a gurney. there you have it, the others getting out of the emergency exit over the wing. you have seen the demonstrations when the flight attendants tell you how to do it, where to go, and what to do. this is what it looks like from the outside folks when they use the chutes and get out of a plane that way. miles o'brien is standing by live. former cnn anchor. just a remarkably smart person when it comes to all things aircraft. it takes variousty piloting to come into this airport on any given day let alone a day when the weather's like this. >> yeah, there are few airports like this in the country. midway comes to mind. short runways and not a lot of space for overrun. in this case, it's water. la guardia after all being
largely reclaimed land. 7,000 feet on either runway. and on a good day, you got to really put it down right where you should and get on the brakes really hard and do your job without any mistakes because there's not a lot of margin for error. on a day like today, it gets even trickier of course. low visibility, low clouds and a slick runway. that's a bad combination here. in this case, ashleigh, i'd like -- i hope chad is still listening. the winds at la guardia right now are about 16 knots, getting close to 20 miles per hour as a tail wind. in other words, they would have been landing with the wind and so the airspeed of course is the same always, but the ground speed in this case would have been pushing the plane a little bit faster than it would have been if it had been flying into the wind. and so is it possible that that exasperated the situation here?
it could have. but i don't know the exact winds at the time of the incident. right now, it's a tail wind from runway 1-3. maybe at the time it wasn't. maybe there was a wind shift which could have complicated matters in this case. maybe it was shifting around and you had a gusting cross wind which could have sent the plane off the side of the runway as we see. i pointed out earlier that the thrust reversers are not deployed in this case. that could be of the way they shut down the engines in an merge situation, or who knows. if there was some difficulty with the thrust reversers, one that worked and one that didn't. that certainly would cause the plane to veer. or was one brake catching more than the other. there's a lot of factors to throw into the mix here. the one to remember is where we started. this is a 7,000 foot runway and an airplane that needs at least 5,000 feet on a good day. so there's not a lot of margin
to play with. >> keen observation that you saw with those quick pictures that the thrust reversers seemed not to be deployed. you can see people deplaning on the right-hand side. what you can't see is anybody deplaning out of the front of the aircraft. you can see that the front of the aircraft is obstructed by that fence. this is why your flight attendants tell you where all of the exits are. anybody sitting in the windows to the front of the wing presumably would have either had to get off the other side if that was even possible or come back and join everyone from the back of the aircraft getting out those two exits over the wing. believe it or not, you may think we all know everything to know about the exits and the procedur procedures, but read the car. i want to switch gears for a moment if i can. still with the weather and still with the crises, but go a lot further south than new york. sure looks the same, though.
look at these images of those roadways in kentucky. just awful. snow like they're not used to in kentucky. inches upon inches of snow falling and a lot of vehicles moving at slow or no pace at all. i'm joined by patrick. a motorist if these numbers are right, you've been stuck on one of the roadways for 14 hours, sir? >> yeah, it's going on -- well, past 14 hours actually. we've kind of been sitting here the entire time. >> i'm so sorry to hear that. as i understand it, you are traveling with your wife and two dogs in your vehicle. what is your circumstance and what looks to be the resolution to this? is someone going to come and help you or is it just a folk tore that the roadway is shut down and you have no options? >> well, at this point, no, we don't have any options.
we're pretty much surrounded by semis. we can see them off to the distance. a local volunteer fire department came through a little while ago. there are several cars that had ran out of gas and stuff. they're taking those people. even their concern was they don't know how they're going to get back to the cars or what they would do with them. behind us, two abandoned cars with trucks behind them. i don't know how they're going to get around those types of vehicles, even if we have any going in front of us. from what i understand, we're about 4 miles from the beginning, so we're not back as far as some people. understand this whole chain goes back 40, 50 miles. but it's -- it is a mess. the snow has stopped at least. but you know, there's a lot of snow on the ground still and we're just sitting here praying and just trying to get out. even get to nashville, we're
hoping, by evening would be more than what we can do right now. but just sitting. we've been trying to ration water and snacks and food we have. i've heard about national guard. we haven't seen any. i've heard about different things. but right now, we don't know what's going on other than sitting and waiting. >> we're going to talk to national guard in just a moment. the dogs look like they're having a blast. inside the car, looks like fun being in close quarters with them too. 14 hours of it. i'm not sure how long ago the pictures were taken. on a more serious note, your wife is diabetic. apart from that, maybe the best news is that you -- you started off on your trip to florida with a full tank of gas. you're about three-quarters of a tank now and you kept the engine running all night? >> we're actually in a brand new jeep that has a fuel efficient
engine. we fueled it last night right before we got stopped. ran it all night and used not even a quarter of a tank. since then, we're turning it on and off now. i ran it most of the night just because of the amount of snow coming down, the car was getting encrusted with ice. we couldn't even open doors and things at times. now that the snow has stopped, we're cycling the car. we only run it for so long when we get cold. so many vehicles behind us again that had run out of gas and didn't have that option even. >> be careful of that exhaust pipe. it's the number one lesson for those of us who grew up in tense weather conditions in the midwest or north, canada for me. keep the exhaust pipe cleared if you are continueing to run that engine. patrick, good luck to you and your wife. i hope you get out of that circumstance soon. and good luck getting to florida.
hopefully it's going to be a lot better when you get there, sir. >> yeah, yeah. we hope so too. even if we get down towards nashville, there's issues going over towards georgia. we were going to take 75 down into florida. i'm from pennsylvania and erie, so we're used to snow. and the car is doing well. it was just the accident that piled everything back. >> i tell you what, listen in, if you've got the power and a charger in your car, i'm going to talk to lieutenant colonel with the kentucky national guard. sir, i don't know if you could hear that interview with patrick and his wife. they're stuck 14 hours now on i-65. what's the circumstance for them and for all the other drivers stuck like them? >> it is really truly -- it is a mess without a doubt. actually, a lot of people may
not have known, this is the second major winter event we've had in less than a month. in many ways, we were just recovering from the first. even though the emergency responders were all on teleconference yesterday, we could not even prepare properly to salt the roads or whatever because of the rain that we had. and then of course last night after it froze up, we had unprecedented amount of snowfall in such a short period of time. even though kentucky transportation was plowing everything, within two hours, it would be up to two to 4 inches. >> lieutenant colonel, i want to ask about the people -- they said they have a little bit of food, they're conserving water. you can bet your bottom dollar, there are a lot of people who don't have that right now. how are you dealing with rescues? have the rescues begun? >> sure, of course. we actually started early this
morning. we had to dispatch our folks from their homes. once they made it into the armories in the elizabethtown area, they quickly got into their humvees and have been making tracks on 65. as you can imagine, we're quickly taking motorists from their vehicles and moving them to warming centers as they're called that have been set up in the area. we're not only doing that there, we also have a similar situation in western kentucky along the i-24 roadway from miles marker 116 to 66. so specifically though for patrick and his folks, hang tight, we are coming. >> it's so hard to hear that. i think he's listening in. as a last comment, how much longer will some of these people have to wait before help arrives? >> well, help is already there. so ashleigh, i'm not sure where patrick is in that congested
area. it is a vast expanse obviously. so we already have been removing folks from their vehicles and moving them to the warming centers and will continue to do so until we've been relieved. >> i really appreciate you taking the time to speak with us. obviously, it's a very busy time for you. as you mentioned second major winter event in less than a month. hard to see all those people stuck like that and hear their circumstance inside their vehicles. we have a lot of breaking news, folks, not only the weather in kentucky, the plane skidding off the runway in la guardia airport and finally some movement in the jody arias case. we now know exactly what happened to jody arias and where she will spend the next few decades. most of the products we all buy
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we are following a lot of breaking news here at cnn. on the left-hand side of your screen, a plane that coming in for landing did not finish the landing. it crashed into a berm on the side at la guardia. on the other side of that berm, water. all passengers evacuated. some with minor injuries. some headed to the hospital. on the right-hand side of your screen, the view from a helicopter of a state that does knnot normally look like that, kentucky. they both look the same. people trapped in their vehicles in kentucky. hundreds waiting for rescue. we are not going far from the weather story and we also have these. it has been six years since travis alexander was murdered viciously and the woman who did
it has been cooling her heels waiting to find out whether she will live or die for the crime. found guilty long ago, a second jury had to be called in to decide whether she will get the death penalty. after more than 24 hours, they came up with their justice. it may not be the justice that even wanted, it may not be the justice that even jody wants. they could not decide. and ultimately the justice is that it will be life in prison and the judge in this case, judge sherry stevens made the announcement just moments ago. >> i have received two juror questions from you. the first juror question submitted late yesterday afternoon states that we are not unanimous, votes have been steady since last thursday. jurors have indicated minds are made up. some have indicated we either
let you know today or they want off this jury. in my assessment we are hung and additional time will not change this. submitted by the foreperson. this morning i received an additional juror question indicating the status is unchanged as of this morning. is there anything for the foreperson to add at this time? at this time, the court has declare add mistrial. >> a mistrial declared in phoenix, arizona. a miss trial doesn't mean we're going at this again because the law in that state is that a hung jury the second time around means it's over. life in prison, it's automatic. we have two expert voices on this. our senior legal analyst is with me live, nancy grace. first, jeffrey toobin to you.
six years from the crime to this final result. do you think this has anything to do with the prevailing wisdom about the death penalty in arizona and elsewhere if it took two injuries to finally get to no decision? >> this was a tough case on the death penalty. it wasn't a tough case on guilt. it was quite obvious jody arias was guilty. i think it was a questionable decision on the part of the prosecution to go back a second time for another very expensive trial on the death penalty to receive precisely the same result, a hung jury. and now she cannot be retried a third time on the death penalty. this was a life in prison case all along it seemed to me and now that's the result. >> nancy grace, i want to bring you in. there's reporting from usa today, some reporters in the courtroom said that travis alexander's family, that is her victim, the family was leaving the courtroom and apparently
walked by the media saying quote, the real justice will be in the after life when jody burns in hell. this family has been through hell. will this be any kind of resolution for them, nancy? >> well, i think today, just the last moments, ashleigh, the announcement came down that the jury was hung. you could have heard a pin drop in that courtroom. immediately, you could hear it building, the gasps from the victim's family on the front row. they immediately bent over double in their seats. physically bent over and began crying out in pain. and i always find it very interesting when pundits say, well, this costs a lot of money and it wasn't really a good decision. it's like they're buying a car or making some kind of investment in their fidelity fund. you know what? violent crime is not like that. we are talking about people's lives. we are talking about a family
who lost travis al sander. now, when you're defending someone, those very same pundits, no expense in defending someone. what i want to say right now is, this family has been through hell. and their hell is not over yet because the sentence something not complete. that's set to go down april 13. when the jury left the courtroom, many of them walked by the alexander family and actually gave them a 1i6r7 thet ik, like i'm sorry look. the family rushed out. they couldn't stand it, one minute to be in that courtroom. so it was quite a scene in the courtroom just moments ago. >> can i jump in right here? you know what, executing people is not the only form of justice in this country. in fact, it is a largely discredited form of justice in this country, nancy. and a lot of people on the left,
on the right, the death penalty is in great decline in this country because so many innocent people have been on death row, because so many inappropriate sentences have been reached. so the idea there is injustice because jody arias is not going to be stuffed into a gas claimer is not necessarily the case. and it indicates no insensitivity to the victims who have suffered horribly in this case that she will not be executed. >> nancy, want to respond? >> is that a question. i don't even know what that was. i'm happy to hear your opinion. what i'm saying is today, there's a hung jury. it's our -- what we're hearing in the courtroom is that the split was ten to two for the death penalty. i think that ultimately, arias is going to spend her life behind bars. i expect the judge to sentence her life without the possibility
of parole. when she was telling the last jury why she should not get the death penalty, she said she intended to donate all of her hair to locks of love and that is why her life should be spared. that in comparison to travis alexander who was in the shower and had his head jerked back by jody arias, by his hair, stabbed 29 times and stabbed from ear to ear and then shot. and then in court, accused of all type of crimes he didn't commit. to further drag him through the mud. that's what i lived through. i was in the courtroom. i saw what happened. i saw the crime scene photos. i know how he stumbled to the bathroom mirror, ashleigh, in death, and i know that from the forensic -- the blood dripping from his face onto the bathroom countier. he looked in the mirror and saw
himself dying. he saw himself dying before he fell on the floor and was dragged back to the shower to hide his body. that's what i remember about the case. >> can i ask -- i just can't represent the arizona statute when it comes to this automatic sentence once there's a double hung jury. isn't it automatically life without the possibility of parole, that option, or some shot down the road somewhere that she could get out? >> i think there's a possibility that she can get out. it depends on the law as well. because if you'll remember for instance back in the times of man son, people could get the death penalty, then it was determined to be cruel and inhumane in our country. all those death penalty sentences were reversed. there's constant upheaval in the area of law of death penalty proceedings. i would go out on a limb and say life behind bars. >> quickly, jeff. >> she's not going anywhere.
she shouldn't go anywhere. and it's a very just resolution in this case. >> i'm going to go out on a limb and say she is just a terrible person. i spent that time covering that case as well. she's one of the worst of the worst. nancy, jeff, always great to see you both. wolf starts right now. hello. i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. here in washington. 9:00 p.m. in iraq. wherever you're watching from around the world, thanks very much for joining us. we're watching two major weather stories right here in the united states. in new york, a plane carrying 130 people slid off a runway at new york's la guardia airport. we'll take you live there in just a moment. in kentucky, as many as 200