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ut who he is but he's confident when israelis go to the polls they'll vote for him. >> see if he becomes the next republican of prime minister of israel. and "cnn newsroom" with anna cabrera starts right now. hello. i'm anna cabrera. thanks for joining me. we begin with a search for a u.s. military helicopter. this crash happened here in the waters off pensacola, florida, in the gulf of mexico. officials now say all 11 onboard are presumed dead. seven marines plus four members of the army air crew. new pictures just coming in of the wreckage beginning to wash ashore. this near elgin air force base. also the pentagon confirming human remains have been found and the army black hawk crash during a foggy night training
mission. >> they train how they would fight, so they would train in this type of environment. >> even in very heavy follow? >> they train as they fight. >> i want to bring in cnn's victor blackwell in hammond, louisiana, where that helicopter is based. victor's joining us on the phone, as i know you're still gathering information on the ground. what's the latest in this search? >> reporter: anna the reason i'm not able to be in front of a camera we're driving on to louisiana army national guard in hammond. the major general in charge is holding a news conference at the top of the next hour and we're setting up to bring the comments on the latest in the search live to everyone. but we have a bit of good news here. the only good news this morning after this accident is that the weather in the search area is starting to clear. the fog is starting to lift making this search a little easier for the coast guard. florida fish and wildlife and
the others searching for the 11 missing service members and parts of this helicopter. we've also been told by a spokesperson there at eglin air force base that part of the landing gear has now washed ashore, and also we've reported today that the human remains have started to wash ashore as well. an update from a spokesperson at camp lejeune, the marine base there in jacksonville north carolina that members of the next of kin of those seven marines who are missing, they are in the process of being notified. the other marines who were on the other chopper involved they have not yet been questioned or screened but that will happen sometime soon and a command-level representative is en route from camp lejeune to eglin air force base to nep this investigation. anna? >> all right. victor blackwell. again, we'll check back in throughout the next couple of hours and are standing by for that 3:00 news conference and we
hope to get an update on the investigation into the helicopter crash as well as more information perhaps from those on that second helicopter that made it back safely. we have been hearing about the plan now for days and now the fight is on. iraqi forces have begun their offensive to liberate saddam hussein's hometown of tikrit from isis. and they've already seen celebrations of their successes along the way. watch this. that iraqi woman and others joining her, cries for joy that isis is out of that town of al la lann near tikrit. iraqi troops advanced into tikrit. today they won back a key military hospital. a couple good signs there, this as isis loses ground of course. the president is trying to gain
more support now on capitol hill for his plan to defeat this terrorist group. his top three advisers on this issue, joint chiefs of staff, general martin dempsey, the secretary of state ashton carter and secretary of state, of course john kerry, all went before a international committee hours scommittee -- senate committee and there to push for the president's authorization for use of military force. now, we know it would last three year, set limits on the use of american ground troops but as we learned today it could also extend to using force against boko haram, which, as we've discussed here on this show has apparently just announced allegiance to isis. >> so just -- >> proposed -- >> say you have swear ay legions will be nudge, then? >> no. it's not enough. also has to about threat to americans. that's what the language says. it says associated with, et cetera, isil and threatening americans. >> joining us to discuss the author of foreign and domestic
retired brigadier general, deputy commanding general of u.s. forces in afghanistan. thanks so much for being here with us general. we're hearing now about some success in tikrit of course but we're also getting word today about isis on the offensive in ramadi. people on the ground there say this is the fiercest offense in months by the terrorist group attacking from really all directions. we've heard of more than a dozen car bombs. there's rockets, mortar rounds fired. general what does ramadi mean strategically for isis and is this a response to what's happening in tikrit? >> anna it's great to be with you, and first of all, my thoughts and prayers go out to the family members of the marines and soldiers who perished in that helicopter training sdernt just a grim reminder of what our soldiers and marines and the rest of our service members train for every day. what ramadi means in the fight is that we're pressuring tikrit and so isis is trying to open up another logistical line. if we capture tikrit and open up
that logistical line, that means that we have cut off isis and the daesh forces coming down from mosul, and they need to be able to put pressure other than baghdad from a different direction and trying to give us a two-front tactical fight to: obviously more complex than a one-front fight and that's what daesh is trying to do by going to ramadi and i thought the discussion today with the foreign relations committee was encouraging, and as we look at what's happening tactically on the ground, the support that we're starting to hear about from the secretary of state and the secretary of defense and the chairman while i think this discussion should have happened about year ago, it's great to hear we've got 62 nations involved and beginning to build the coalition needed to defeat this grave threat. >> there have been discussion on
capitol hill and in some of the questioning, of course democrats expressed reservations about using this force. the authorizing of the use of force. if these lawmakers are afraid of perhaps a prolonged war, what happens if congress doesn't go along with the aumf? >> well i would hope they do. i would hope everybody comes together. foreign policy is one of those things that we've got to have a united front on. there's a very serious threat and you know frankly, the media has really helped bring this thing to a head by showing what the threat is there, and really forcing the hand of all of the decision-makers to make sure that we have a concerted effort going forward here and so i don't even want to contemplate that we don't get the authorized use of military force passed but the focus really needs to be on getting this thing passed and having all of the elements of
national power leveraged against isis and separate iran out of this thing. because it's very complicated right now. if it doesn't pass, you know, they all -- you know, the chairman and the two secretaries both said you know the '02 authorization still conveyed today, so i think they would continue to operate under that, but it would certainly be nice have is a united front going forward here to be able to destroy this enemy. >> you brought up iran and why not to get to that in a minute. iran's involvement on the ground there in iraq but we also know that majority of these fighters who are trying to take back tikrit are iraqis. that they are the iraqi military along with some of the sunni tribal member there's. that's obviously very different than what we saw in the fight on the ground when isis initially captured that town. what's changed? >> right. well, you know i think what you've got is the backing of the united states and several other countries. you've got air power. you've got intelligence.
you've got communications. all of that back-end support is so important. you can't -- you know, the loach logistics pique people say, try to fight without us? that's what's they were saying. intelligence logistics, all that you have to deliver ammunition every day, got to deliver fuel every day. got to be able to sustain a fight or you culminate quickly and so i think what's happened on the ground under the great leadership of lieutenant general james terry is that we have been now providing that kind of support to the iraqis or tleeftd coordinating. as we coordinate intelligence support and communications and logistic support, the iraqi forces are much better able to take the fight to the enemy and sustain that fight, keep the pressure on and in a combined arms kind of way with artillery, with air power, with all of the elements of tactical power that
american forces can bring to bear. >> quickly, if will you, general, on isis. we did hear from our ben wedeman on the ground there a couple days ago saying iraqis these talking to would much rather have the iranian generals work with them on the ground in the fight against isis then american troops. does that surprise you? >> you know it surprises me in one sense that persians and arabs have been fighting for thousands of years. if you're on the ground and you're in a fight against somebody who's shooting at you, if anybody is on your flank, your left or right, and they're shooting back at the guy shooting at you, that's a friend. so i think there's sort of a -- an immediacy that the sunnis are feeling here, tikrit is very important logistically and symbolically to iraqis. i think there's -- there's a sense they would rather have
local indigenous forces next to them because that's who's there right now. and frankly when we put timelines on things and when we put conditions on our use of force, they don't have conditions. they don't have timelines. so i think that's probably what you're hearing about. >> all right. general anthony taita, thanks for your insight. >> thank you. up next one of the ringleaders in the racist fraternity video from the university of oklahoma apologizes. it says the song was taught to him, and he also blames some alcohol. i'll speak live with the former sae brother who's making con physicians. and one of the brothers in the boston bombings looks tsarnaev scarequare in the eye. and a report about police discrimination in ferguson. is the police chief next? stay with us.
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a fraternity shut down. members suspended, two students now expelled from school and now a public apology coming from one of the ringleaders of that racist rant involving the sigma alpha epsilon fraternity at the university of oklahoma. parker rice seen here leading a bus full of students chanting using the n word threatening lynching now rice was expelled from ou and apologized in a printed edition of the "dallas morning news" calling his actions wrong and reckless. he says in part "i know everyone wants to know why or how this happened. i admit it was likely fueled by alcohol consumed at the house before this bus trip but that's not an excuse. yes, the song was taught to us but that too, doesn't work as an explanation. my goal for the long term is to be a man who has the heart and the courage to reject racism wherever i see or experience it in the future."
now, the "oklahoma daily," the campus newspaper, also identifies the second student expelled we've not been able to independently confirm, it's this man, the paper says levi pettit believed to be a ringleader of the chant. his parents issued a statement of apology as well. my panel joining me, writer and lecturer and also a 30-year member of alabamaalpha phi alpha, and a former member of sigma alpha epsilon who quit the fraternity. and wrote "confessions of a frat boy." were you a member. one of the boys expelled says he was taught this chant. you have heard it before? >> i haven't heard this particular chant but at the sae chapter there were songs of a similar or racist nature albeit
not as egregious base and the same tune. we need to talk about the collective psychology and how they pass down disgusting songs and passwords from generation to the next. >> sounds like you're not surprised to hear of this incident. what other racist statements have been made, songs have been made what are some specific examples if you can give us? >> well i can't really, you know, repeat some of them on the air and wouldn't want to but what we've seen in the last couple of years nationally with sae is that the increasing frequent such these incidences the university of cincinnati at washington university and i think we need to talk about how we can structurally change the system to address the problem, because focusing solely on the individuals isn't going to moovtve the needle. >> and being pasht pattrt of a club does that open the door to discrimination? >> i don't know whether it opens the door to discrimination.
what he was saying is correct. talking about the history of fraternity and sororities, from the begin we see the issues we see in 2015. one of the fraternities was founded at indiana university in 1911 but the original name was kappa alpha nu. they to change the name kappa alpha -- and use the n word to attach to that. we've seen these types of behaviors not within the last few years but the last 40 50 years. some of the earliest parties were for some of the white fraternities centered around members wearing black face. we should not be surprised at all. every halloween you're going to find fight fra tirnltternityies and sororities doing, quote/unquote ghetto parties. you find it in black history month, things that are
anti-latino anti-latino, and all of these incidents basically create hostile atmospheres on campuses for minority students and it's something we need to address. >> what is that about? why is it okay? like you said you just listed a bunch of examples there of these types of at the very least racially insensitive situations happening at fraternities and seemingly it's acceptable because they keep on doing it. why do they think it's acceptable? >> i don't think it's acceptable. i don't think the people actually think it's acceptable. i've been to 600 different colleges and universities and seen greek advisers greek life offices work think behinds off trying to stem these types of incidents. you have to remember a lot of these kids are coming from general society. the incidents themselves are kind of like the symptoms. when we have things such as when african-american students and minority students in general are marginalized on campus for example, i think on the university of oklahoma campus there are only 5% african-american students. so when you have african-american students
marginalized on college campuses like that you don't have a chance for white students in general to actually intermingle with other black students. so you feel comfortable. the thing about that video that really got me was not just what he was saying but how comfortable he felt actually saying it. he felt comfortable saying it because he recognized from the fact not only were there no african-americans present but also didn't have anyone else who was -- even thought that someone may object to it except for the person who actually took the video. >> and andrew in terms of the culture of those fraternities do you agree in the sense these people may be swhag they believe and surrounded by like-minded people or more once you're part of a frat you're forced to doing certain things. we've heard of hazing as part of initiation. maybe you're coerced to do something you wouldn't normally do if you weren't among your brothers? >> right. right. i mean i think we need to talk about the collective aspect of it. you know the institutional pathology, the group thing that
brings these things out encourages them passes down these ideas over time and creates a space where people can enact this disgusting white privilege and be protected and in many ways rewarded in a group sense for it. we also need to talk about how the history of discrimination in general is encoded in the dna of white frats in america, without discrimination fraternities don't exist. because that's the entire concept of it. you're other-izing folks who are not in the organization. that's how you create any kind of abstract idea of membership. we need to get to the root of that idea and i think mr. ross is right. these are symptoms of a deeper problem. it's a deeper problem in society, but on college campuses fraternities by and large, are a corrosive influence that are exacerbateing and mp plaifying problems that already exist in the culture. >> more checks and balances needed to you think? >> more checks and balances and to be fair.
i don't like to give a general sweep to all fraternities and is a report is. all recognize they're better by having diversity within their ranks. it's whether or not they're able to enforce it and actually translate that into a new set of dna as my colleague was talking about. he's absolutely right. in 1947 david emory was the head of the umbrella organization for all white fraternities and he said i don't understand basically paraphrasing i don't understand why the idea of discrimination makes people shiver. that has been going through the ranks for the past 40 or 50 years. now, 40 50 60 years. there have been incremental, you know advancements but you still have that when talking about college kids on these campuses. they're coming and starting to pick up the same dna that has been going on in their organizations for over 100 years, and that you know is reflected by mr. rice.
>> andrew did you ever have to do something you felt really uncomfortable doing as part of the pledge? >> well absolutely. that's what i write about in the book. it's a whole culture of hazing that is disgusting dangerous. could potentially be deadly and it has deep psychological and emotional impacts on people. >> like what? >> you know like depression like a feeling of alienation. like you know the attitudes we see in oklahoma. being developed. on different levels misogyny violence towards women and arrogance towards the outside world and we need to call all of these ideas into question and talk how they form the core of the white fraternity core in america. >> thank you both so much for being here with me. up next breaking news out of ferguson. just getting word after a series of resignations fouling a scathing report on the discrimination inside the police department there along with the court system now infamous police chief, there may be willing to step down.
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just letting him do whatever he wants. there are laws in place, bottom line. a 2013 law missouri has in place making it very difficult for municipality city governments to plainly on a political matter get rid of the chief. put in place for a reason. so they had protections and couldn't be a political football. what's happened in ferguson folks are saying he's the head of the department. while all this has gone on. why is he still there? the answer lies with the chief himself. he can certainly resign. that's what we are going to see, because he says my source says look this has to be on his terms. and so that indicates that he's going to be the one to put that resignation in. just like we saw from the city manager. >> interesting, because a few months ago when i sat down with him he was adamant he would not step down on his own terms because he wanted to see it through. felt a sense of responsibility to be able to sort of make right the, with the community, what had happened after the michael brown shooting death, and now it sounds like could he be foerpsforced
toeeto rezone seem resign seeming like it's on his other terms? >> four things to force him out including he committed a felony. there are strict things the city has to look at. what i've been told now is he needs to do this on his own terms and one is he does not want to see the department dissolved. there are, of course protesters that want to see that happen. they don't want the ferguson police department in place. there are residents who say we do want our own police department. we don't want that to go anywhere, and so what you're seeing here is sort of the dichotomy of what to do in this situation and what he said is i don't want to leave unless i am assured this department will remain in place and not be dissolved either by the doj or by st. louis county taking over. he doesn't get to make that decision. >> what the path forward looks like. you had a chance to speak with
him briefly last week on the ground and everyone wonder where is the police chief? why isn't he saying anything? play that clip. >> don't you think you should have known some of the things that came out? the racist e-mail the numbers. were you just trying to bilk people out of money instead are protecting them? telling your department to just go ticket them? >> okay. thank you. and i will be in touch. get ahold of jeff. >> i've talked to everyone. given you literally every opportunity. we've been talking for days and days and days. all we want is an answer from you. >> i'm going to analyze the report and take action where necessary. >> does that mean you're going to stay around? >> i'm going to take action where necessary. thank you. >> thank you. >> i mean almost speechless there. what did you make of what he had to say or not say? >> look there are legal issues and there are things that he wants to really look over, but because he is mentioned in the report his e-mails are mentioned in the report he had
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in other words, to stay indoors with their doors locked and not to open the door for anyone other than a properly identified law enforcement officer. >> we are getting new details on breaking news from the boston area. that shooting at the massachusetts institute of technology. >> a police officer was shot. >> police say the suspects shot and killed an m.i.t. police officer. 26-year-old sean collier. they then carjacked a man at gunpoint. police chased down the suspects in the stolen car. >> during the course of that pursued, several explosive devices were discharged from the car at the police officers. in the exchange of the gunfire we believe that one of the suspects was struck. >> i say dzhokhar if you're alive, turn yourself in. >> we do have new information and, in fact they do have him cornered right now. >> who cornered? >> the suspect. they believe it is the suspect.
[ gunfire ] >> we heard what appeared to be several shots. that sound, the flash, bang i heard one of those before, and it distinctively sound definitely like shots being fired. >> i'm told from a boston police source they have a suspect cornered in the backyard of a home. >> what started about 23 hours ago now seems to be finally over. the last suspect being searched by police. according to the boston police department that suspect is now in custody. that suspect in custody, was dzhokhar tsarnaev. i want to speak now with someone who looked dzhokhar tsarnaev in the face. the head of boston emergency medical services right now. he was at the marathon ems command, standing at the rear of that may medical tent just 200 yards away from where that first bomb went off and he testified earlier this week that 118 people were rushed in ambulances to local hospitals. jim, i can only imagine what was
going through your mind as you had to relive those moments and, of course with tsarnaev right in front of you. how was that? how did he act in court? >> he was pretty much as other reports that i've read. pretty much just staring straight ahead and rather indifferent. i actually only spent a few moments looking at him. to be honest i wanted to see him, but after that, i just chose to focus my attention on the u.s. attorney that was prosecuting the case and to make sure that i did a good job representing my department and the victims in this case. >> can you talk about the range of injuries that you and your staff had to treat and obviously in such a short amount of time because of those homemade bombs. how challenging was it? >> well it was pretty challenging, and i have to say that you know the person at
the scene, the first responders members of the public, and then the medical volunteers all were very instrumental in helping us have a, on whole a good outcome out of this. you know, i temper that by knowing that we lost three folks that day and a lot of people that have lifelong healing to do but as you talked about the magnitude of injuries they're very serious. our crews, when they went into their disaster mass care mode, they quickly reported what totaled up to be 30 patients tagged red. coded at red for immediate or critical. 25 were identified at yellow. 35 were green. so it was 90 patients in that first 30 minutes that -- >> those injuries ranging from -- >> the reds those injuries from
rem raj remmer er hemorrhage pulses difficult to detect. many of those people would have succumbed -- many more would have succumbed if it hadn't been for the rapid intervention and treatment and distribution of patients to the boston hospitals. >> is there one image that still haunts you that really has stuck with you? >> you know, perhaps just you know the enormity of it all. going you the street and seeing well over 40 people down on the ground. sure a lot of people were staggering away a lot of people assisted away but to -- for -- someone who spent many years in the ems. if you work here you'll see your share of tragedy and trauma, but
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it's an honor to welcome my counterpart from the united kingdom defense second michael fallon here to the pentagon. this is a first for both of us. his first official visit to washington and my first visit to the briefs room at secretary of defense. >> that was, of course the defense secretary ash carter given condolences and talking a little about that crash of the black hawk helicopter this morning during a training mission for the military. right now 11 people are believed to be dead and right now the search continues for those individuals. let's switch gears here. long cyber thieves stole before sony's scandal rocked hollywood, some teenagers in milwaukee pioneered the art of cyber crime. they broke into hospitals, banks even a nuclear weapons research facility and in getting caught they paved the way for the first
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up on the floor ♪ >> that is marvin gaye's "got give it up" and it was apparently the inspiration for "blurred lines" according to musicians robin thicke and pharrell williams. much more than inspiration, copyright infringement meaning thig thicke and pharrell have to pay more than $7 million. you think the jury got it wrong. why? >> well it's silk and rayon. same feel, completely different components. if this jury verdict stands, the creator of rayon better look over his shoulder at the creator of silk. >> are you planning to appeal? >> we're not going to let this verdict stand. i've heard from a half a dozen named songwriters who you would recognize. i owe it to songwriters to appeal this. pharrell williams robin thicke
t.i. absolutely firmly know that "blurred lines" was created from their hearts and souls and no other source. >> so they didn't think of marvin gaye's song at all when they came up with that? >> that's 100% accurate and that's what their sworn testimony was at trial. >> hasn't pharrell though said he's a big fan of marvin gaye? listened to his music and that he has been inspired or influenced by marvin gaye? >> absolutely. marvin gaye is one of his biggest heroes. he stood on the shoulders of marvin gaye in creating his music. like all musicians do. they're always inspired by somebody. the bottom line is no one owns the style or genre of marvin gaye as much as we admire him. >> a lot of people who have said that this verdict could hurt the music industry may not be looking at the other side in which, couldn't this help protect artists like pharrell williams like robin thicke in terms of protecting their creation?
their creations? >> robin thicke and pharrell williams are happy. they're delighted to have other people be inspired by their music and go out and create their own music in the same style and genre. nats that's how music works. they don't need protection from somebody else doing another hit in the same style of "happy" or their other fine works. >> do you think we'll see more lawsuits, given the outcome of this particular incident? >> if this verdict stands i think you'll have plaintiffs' lawyers rubbing their hands around the country. you'll absolutely see more lawsuits like this. >> are you surprised there haven't been more before now? >> no. because i thought the law was that in a word or two, to be liable for infringement you actually to copy the notes and chords which did not happen here. >> howard king thanks for your time. >> thank you. any minute now we're expecting that live news conference from the military
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i'm anna cabrera. thanks for being with us. we're awaiting a news conference in hammond, louisiana, home base to the black hock helicopter that crashed off the panhandle of florida overnight. we'll bring that when it begins set to begin at the top of the hour. right now new developments new pictures come in from the search area and what you see here said to be pieces of debris that the black hawk beginning to wash ashore pmp officials say seven marines plus four members of an army air corps are among those presumed dead. victor blackwell joins us from
hammond, louisiana. victor we know the army black hawk crashed during very foggy conditions. it was night training mission. what else have you learned? >> reporter: well the cause of that crash has not yet been determined. we have been told by representatives here at louisiana army national guard, the base here in hamenednin hammond louisiana, there were weather issues but they've not determined that the weather actually caused the crash. we are awaiting as you said a news conference from the major general, the head of the 11,000 louisiana national guard giving update only on the four member the pilots and the crew of the two uh-60 black hawks. one that landed safely as we know. the other that went down. we have heard that several of the members of the other chopper that landed safely they soon will be questioned screened to find out if