with iran on nuclear issues. let's get back though to our top story, with chris in ferguson. >> mick the shooting two of police officers early thursday morning still casts an uneasy feeling in this community and on these streets. there were few protests last night and small groups the vigil for the injured officers was even smaller. authorities turned their focus from who was protesting to who was shooting. turning their search to two individuals who they say ambushed the officers. what's the latest on the investigation. >> the two police officers are at home recovering. that's good news. even though it's been more than 24 hours since they were shot, the search for the people responsible, the search for the shooter is still under way. here's what we know authorities say they've identified two people that they are looking for. two people they want to talk to. and one of them may be the shooter. just hours after the shooting
police stormed a house that's just a few blocks from here and they took in three people for questioning. those people have since been released. it's also worth noting that the st. louis county police as well as the missouri state highway patrol are now going to be taking over the security detail at protests. this started last night, they want to do this to make sure that everyone stays safe. it's also worth noting that two missouri congressmen are now offering a $3,000 reward for any information leading to the arrest of those responsible for this ambush shooting. >> aligna it's worthy of note there was such a flood of information about where people thought the shots came from and how the description of the shooter may be that it actually is something that's slowing down the investigation, they're getting more leads than they expected not less. that's a window into this community. thank you very much. the people who live here and
the police have to figure out what to do with the recent shootings, they can't just be forgotten as somehow incidental. how will the community react? what will it be like on the streets of ferguson? we have ryan young bringing that part of the story. ryan? >> i think that's a very important point. people have been talking about the shooting saying they hate the fact that it's happened now it changes the conversation from one they were focused on. the fact they were talking about the ferguson police department now everyone is talking about the manhunt. i talk to one woman who said she did not want the attention to be moved from the police department now to the manhunt that's happening. but that's something that everyone here says they're happy to see folks getting involved. president obama spoke about what happened here and the fact that somebody needs to be brought to justice. >> there was no excuse for criminal acts. and whoever fired those shots shouldn't detract from the issue. they're criminals.
they need to be arrested. and then what we need to do is to make sure that like-minded, good-spirited people on both sides, law enforcement who have a terrifically tough job and people who understandably don't want to be stopped and harassed just because of their race that we're able to work together to try to come up with some good answers. >> now obviously tensions may be high but look the community is telling me they're tired of being painted in one direction, they want to move the conversation and the shooting hasn't helped that. chris? >> ryan thank you for working the streets, very important perspective, we'll be back with you as well. let's bring in people who understand the community and the investigation, we have the columnist for the "st. louis american" lizz brown and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. we spent a lot of time last night just over your shoulders is where the officers were shot. the vantage points they believe could be anywhere from where
we're standing to up the hill on the street called tiffen. how difficult were these shots to hit, if the estimate of distance is anywhere near accurate let's say 80 to 125 yards? >> that distance is phenomenal. to shoot someone with a handgun and under the conditions at night, even with a rifle, with a scope, it would be difficult to hold it steady enough to shoot two officers standing side by side. it's not impossible shot. but it's a very difficult shot and it would indicate somebody has had firearms training. >> it's not one shot it's two. and as you know your witnesses put the shots anywhere from three to four to five shots. but still, it's two hits on a very small number of shots. doesn't that suggest, if anything that this distance that officers were not that into the investigation in terms of what they're telling us but maybe this distance was a lot small centre. >> it could be it's deceptive, you could have echo off the buildings, you could have having checked out the site also that
the shooters could have been up on the roof of some of these strip mall buildings, putting them much closer and putting them higher so they're not shooting just over the tops of the heads of the protesters but having a higher angle. >> there's no question would you need trajectory otherwise, lizz you would have been hitting protesters and other people as the bullets are traveling towards the officers. it matters, because if the shooters were closer it does put them in the thick of the protest, the protesters want to be separated from the incident. but those shots came from somewhere and they probably came from somewhere closer. how do you think the shootings of these officers should be embraced as part of the dynamic in this community? >> obviously the journey towards justice, the journey towards the- doj report demonstrated and showed the world what's going on in this community. any time that you're headed towards fixing something like that it's going to be a rough
journey. so obviously it's part of the journey. but i don't think that's where the focus should remain. because it's bigger than that. what is being sought here it's bigger than what happened a night ago. >> can you change the die nam nick this community if you don't address the potential threats to officers. to many that's what the shooting represents. it wasn't just someone angry and randomly it was the officers and the police in here it controls their mindset and policing strategy. it has to be part of the main conversation doesn't it? >> yes, but we also expect that some of the millions of dollars spent on police training kicks in here. this is where the police officers and the police chief get do demonstrate with us that they've learned their training. it shouldn't be a surprise to a police officer. we're looking at a sometimes from the vantage point of a citizen. look at it from the vantage point of someone who is trained to do that. we expect them to we expect their training to kick in here.
>> be professionals. >> yes. >> as a professional law enforcement officers if you know you're in a community where there's open animosity towards you and the community doesn't necessarily back you. there was protesters out here last night there was a vilgvigil. it was very small. if you ask people why there wasn't more people out here they say mixed feelings. how does that make the police department feel? >> it may take on the notion i think it should be noted when the shots rang out, two officers went down no officer returned fire. that might have been the intent of the shooters to have that happen. to create a situation where the police shot into the crowd and killed protesters. >> people were commenting somewhat negatively every officer drew a gun after that -- of course they did. >> but then again the training kicked in and fire was not returned. >> so you know i mean -- with
respect to the people that showed up last night, i think that the community needs to be given credit for the fact that there were people that showed up. and also people that were concerned about the danger of being here too, so you had two different dynamics going on and also there is this is an action this is a movement. so of course other people are going to show up as well. >> there's no question that we've had bad apples here from the beginning, everybody knows it who has been anywhere near the situation. and my question is i think that this is an opportunity for part of the positive change. that this community shows its support for the police. because you know there two points of view out here on the street. everybody knows that the culture of policing that came out of that building was negative and that was targeted. >> and people were making things up. like the president said nobody is majoring this stuff up. >> the doj had no skin in the game. people are saying all blue is blue. they said there's a culture here that has to change and the chief is gone. it's going to be more than that right? this community has to embrace
those who police it and the police has to embrace those they are policing. >> it's a relationship. you cannot embrace someone within a relationship if they're not performing the way they need to be performing. when you have a police chief, whose first statement out about what happened is that the shots came from someone embedded with the protesters. that's inaccurate and provocative. so that's a relationship that didn't come out of thin air, so it's going to take some time to get to a relationship where it's healthy. >> quick thing, we don't know what happened yet. so we don't know that the shot didn't come from someone who was among the protesters. >> right. that's why the chief should have been circumspect and said nothing at all until he got the facts and the evidence. >> back on the day of the shooting of michael brown. when the crime scene investigators were trying to process the scene and the crowds were gathering, shots were fired then and the medical examiner of st. louis county ordered the criminal investigators to gather their stuff and get out. the history of shots being fired
from an angry crowd, goes back to day one, 200-some days ago. that's part of the context of what their thinking would be. >> that's why progress is going to be so slow. because there's a dynamic on each side of this. and if they don't come together there will be no change. tom, lizz thank you very much. chris, thanks so much. there are also new details emerging this morning about the latest black eye for the secret service. those two senior agents suspected of driving a government vehicle after drinking at a party, and reportedly disrupting an active bomb investigation. we're also learning the new secret service director did not learn of the incident until days later. cnn's sunlen serfaty joins us live from the white house with more. what are we learning today in. >> that's right. rather than being notified immediately, the new secret service director joe clancy he was not told about the incident until five days after. that means accordle to law enforcement sources, that it's very possible that the director himself was told even later than
the white house. this of course coming from the agency that the director has vowed to clean up. now there are still many facts that we still don't know about. everything that happened last wednesday evening. but we now do know this -- in addition to these two agents allegedly driving under the influence, we also know that they also drove under police tape disrupting an active investigation of a suspicious package that was also happening near white house grounds at the same time. but many sources pushing back about this notion that they barrelled through a barricade, some sources now saying that they deliberately nudged an orange barrier, just moving it aside a few feet. they said that they were going slow literally one mile an hour. but sources are saying that congress wants answers here. the question is -- why no sobriety test was given. why the agents were allowed to go by the supervisor. and one top republican in congress saying that he believes
that this agency has now put the jeopardy and the safety of the first family in question. >> if it's true that these officers had suspected that these people had alcohol in their breath that they were driving that they impeded and got in the way of an active investigation, a potential bomb on the white house grounds, and the supervisor just decides to let them go -- i mean this is what is so terribly frustrating. >> the house oversight committee has called for clancy to turn over all photos surveillance videos and audio recordings of the night. they also want him to appear before congress next week. michaela? >> words, context matter we'll dig into this later in the show. secretary of state john kerry is in egypt attending an economic summit and meeting with senior officials on a range of security topics. including the ongoing battle against isis. this trip coming ahead of new talks in switzerland sunday on iran's nuclear program. let's get the latest from ian
lee live in cairo. >> michaela he's talking to the president just right about now and really two things on the agenda. first, repairing relations between cairo and washington. things have cooled under the current president, although the fundamentals of the relationship remain fairly strong. also talking about security. egypt battles isis-aligned militants on its own soil. 200 miles from where the conference is being held is where they're fighting them. although security is very tight in that city of sharm el-sheikh. but egypt, what's keeping them up at night isn't those militants in northern sinai, but their western board wer libya. egypt wants to take a more direct approach when fighting isis in libya. arming the internationally recognized government and setting up blockades. washington does not see eye to eye, they want a diplomatic
solution to solve the problem. they think a united front is the best way to defeat isis. those two, the secretary kerry and the president talking about this very important issue, ailsen? >> absolutely. we'll be getting analysis of that deal coming up on the program. breaking overnight, a medical helicopter crashing in oklahoma on its way from tulsa to mcallister. the faa says it went down in the town of eufaula. three employees were on board, no word on injuries or fatalities. a new unverified message from an isis spokesman says the terror group accepts boko haram's pledge of allegiance. this comes as both groups are dealt setbacks on the battlefield. boko haram has killed thousands in its bid to impose islamist rule in nigeria and neighboring countries, military forces have driven them from dozens of towns. another chapter of the sigma
alpha epsilon fraternity under fire for racial slurs. the university of washington investigating claims that the sae members hurled racist comments at black students during a protest march last month. the sae chapter booted off the university of oklahoma campus plans to sue the university and possibly its president, david boren. on thursday the ou football team staged a silent arm in arm protest to condemn the racist chant video that has rocked their campus. ahead we'll have more from ferguson missouri where chris is. up next the united nations talking about lifting sanctions against iran as nuclear talks resume sunday in switzerland. we're going to take a closer look at the key players in this deal. who exactly are they? also gripping testimony in the boston marathon bombing. trial jurors hearing from the man who was carjacked by the tsarnaev brothers. we'll tell but the daring escape.
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is struck. this "reuters" report comes days before nuclear talks are set to resume. let's look at the key players involved in the high-stakes negotiations. who exactly are they? and let's bring in peter beinart, our cnn political commentator and contributing editor for "atlantic" media let's start with the "reuters" report out that they're considering as part of the deal lifting sanctions against iran. wasn't that always part of the deal? or is something bigger happening? >> there's two sets of sanctions to be concerned about. american sanctions that could be lifted by president obama himself to some degree and by congress. and then there are also multilateral sanctions through the united nations. the iranians want relief from both. >> so that's a bigger deal and the u.s. that would be a deal-breaker for the u.s.? or that's part of this negotiation? >> i think the obama administration probably envisages that if they get the deal they want there would be relief from the u.n. sanctions, as well as the american sanctions. whether congress wants that is a different question.
>> got it let's talk about the key players, let's start with the ayatollah here. this is the person who -- well you tell me what is his role in the negotiations? >> ayatollah khamenei would be the final authority. he's the most powerful political lead anywhere iran. traditionally considered a hardliner, but recently has been giving rhetorically his blessing to these negotiations they're also reports that he's very sick. we don't know what his health is. we don't even know whether he will last as long as the negotiations do. >> that's interesting. he's also just recently in the past 24 hours, talked about the letter from the 47 gop senators he's called it u.s. tricks. rhetorically he's not always conciliatory. >> no. this is a man who has been very hostile to the united states his entire political career. and yet he seems to be giving the negotiators the room at least for now to potentially cut a deal. >> let's talk about this man, this is president rouhani, what's his significance in the
negotiations? >> so president rouhani was elected in a surprise victory. primarily to relieve the sanctions and the economic pain that was really hurting the iranian economy. and rouhani seems to believe the only way to restore the iranian economy, he was elected to try to fix, is to cut a deal with the united states and the other major powers to lift some of the sanctions. >> let's talk about this person this is the foreign minister this is secretary kerry's counterpart in these negotiations what's his role been? >> he and kerry have spent a lot of time together reportedly developed quite a good working relationship and zarif is a western-educated guy, somebody who presents a better face to the regime than they have in the past and he'll be a critical player in whether or not they can iron out the details. >> he was said he was astonished by the gop letter. let's talk about benjamin netanyahu who is opposed to the
deal. how much sway does he hold? >> he holds a considerable amount of sway. is a very popular figure in congress especially among republicans. benjamin netanyahu has always said an iranian nuclear weapon would be an existential threat to israel. he doesn't want to no longer want to be the only nuclear-armed power in the middle east. >> king solalman of saudi arabia. >> they're very concerned about iran getting near a nuclear weapon. saudi arabia is the most sunni country in the gulf has been a traditional rival of iran's they're concerned about iranian power and they're concerned about the united states which has been a very close ally with saudi arabia no longer being dependant upon saudi arabia if we grow closer to iran. >> how is secretary kerry negotiating the saudi concerns? >> he's been spending a lot of time with the saudi leaders
trying to reassure them and what additional security guarantees the u.s. might offer to saudi arabia to protect them from the iranian threat. >> we know who president obama is and we know this is the author of the letter of the 47 senators. but how about senator bob menendez? what's his role in all this? >> very interesting. bob menendez is the leading democrat on the senate foreign relations committee. he's a democrats, but he's been a real thorn in president obama's side he's a critic of these negotiations and has pushed for sanctions, which the obama administration doesn't want. interestingly he's also now facing an investigation, a corruption investigation, and so his role politically, whether he survives this and whether he continues to rally democrats against the obama administration will be something to watch. >> peter beinart, great to get all of your information, over to michaela. we'll head back to chris in ferguson but first, we have riveting testimony in the both boston marathon bombing trial. the man who was carjacked by the
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we're live in ferguson missouri this morning and here's the latest. there were protests last night, mostly peaceful small, there was also a vigil for the two officers very mixed faith. it was smaller than the protests. the messages are all the same but the focus now is on the investigation of who shot these two cops. we know that authorities believe there were two people involved. then it gets very gray. they're getting so many witness accounts ear witnesses and eye witnesses who say they saw things that it's being very confusing for officers. that's why there's an estimate of as much as 120 yards away where the shots came from. that would be very difficult shots, especially with a handgun. we went out last night to give awe closer look at exactly where the officers were shot. and where the shooters may have been. take a look. >> unfortunately this is where the two officers were shot yesterday morning in front of
the ferguson police department. the questions are from whom and where. investigators lay out the possibility from being across the street and high ground that means tiffen street up at the top of the hill. we've seen gunfire from there in the past. there are witness accounts putting it here in this parking lot. the problem is there's not as much angle of high ground trajectory there. but locals tell us that the top of this tire store has been accessed many times during protests in the past. this is the opposite angle from where witnesses say the shots came from. you can see that's where the officers were hit down there. in front of the station. there are two points that it could be. this is the high ground from tiffen street at the top of the hill. much lower here is the parking lot. and protesters just like tonight were in this area and disbursing but it's not as high the trajectory of the shot would have been difficult without hitting other protesters and that's why some witnesses say that the top of this tire store may have been accessed by somebody with very bad
intentions. >> chris, that is so helpful. michaela and i were just talking about how it's hard to visualize how a shot could have come from somewhere in the darkness and only hit two police officers. >> nobody else was hit. >> i think it's part of a mystery. i actually think that it doesn't make sense. you can't find somebody who can tell you that they can hit that shot with a handgun from 120 yards away let alone with all the movement in front of them at night. by most witness accounts ear and eye, as many as five rounds two hits out of five rounds from that distance? very unlikely. so then what is more likely? that people were closer. what's the problem with that? then that starts to mean that the shooter or shooters were part of the population of the protest. doesn't mean that they were protesters it doesn't mean that they were good people. but that confuses the nature i have been -- narrative here right now.
>> do investigators think they're getting closer to good leads? >> yes. ironically they're dealing with too many leads right now. so many people saw things you think it would be obvious, well you saw the muzzle fire who was holding it? it was dark people were scattering. but the idea of people hiding who did it we don't see any evidence of that on the ground and we're not hearing that from investigators. they're dealing with a lot of information, they did take some people in for questioning. they are looking for two others right now. they're moving along and there's going to be an answer. the question is just when. >> they've got their work cut out for them. great context for us to see that we'll get back to you shortly. meanwhile president obama's secret service detail under fire again. two high-ranking agents suspected of perhaps being drunk reportedly drove a government vehicle through an area where colleagues were investigating a suspicious package at the white house. one of the agents said to be involved is the number two man on the president's protective detail. the other, a senior supervisor
in the washington field office. we're also learning that it took five days for the new secret service director joseph clancy to learn about that incident. urgent evacuations to tell you about in charleston west virginia. because a man-made hillside near yeager airport is slipping. and serious concerns that more slides will dam a creek and heavy rains will flood homes. landslides have destroyed at least one home and damaged a church there. a little levity here will ferrell, "anchorman" turned iron man, taking the the field for ten different teams in five spring training baseball games on thursday.- he struck out twice, watch two home runs sail right over his head. he did get a batter to ground him out while pitching for the dodgers. when it was over he told the crowd, ruth mantle will ferrell, who would have thought one day those names would be synonymous. part of an hbo special he's
involved in. i love it. >> hardest working man in comedy. >> and apparently in baseball. >> that was great, thank you for the levity. there's gripping testimony to tell but in the trial against the boston bomber dzokhar tsarnaev. the man the tsarnaev brothers carjacked telling jurors about his life-or-death decision to make a run for it his daring escape was caught on surveillance cameras. cnn's deborah feyerick joins us from boston with more. just to see the video is incredible deb? >> and alisyn, the people in the courtroom were on the edge of their seats as they listened to the very dramatic albeit understated testimony of this chinese national. who to his right was an interpreter just to help with language problems he didn't seem to have any. what he did say was that it was one of the most harrowing nights of his life. and it was very clear by the images. >> kidnapped and carjacked by the boston bombers, 27-year-old
dunn mang waited for a chance to run. when his suv pulled into a gas station. he found his opening and raced as fast as he could across the street to another gas station. watch as mang frantically tries locking the store door. begging the confused clerk to call 911, fearing the tsarnaev brothers will follow he crawls to the back and hides in a storeroom. the clerk gets the bliss on the line and gets mang. following the murder of m.i.t. officer shawn collier, tamerlan and dzokhar tsarnaev hijacked the mang suv. reportedly tamerlan pointed a gun at him. prosecutors say the brothers had placed home-made explosives in the car's trunk and drove mang
to an atm and had mang withdraw cash. mang testified that tamerlan made small talk asking mang where he was from. mang replied, i'm chinese. and tamerlan's response i'm muslim muslims hate americans. and they stopped at this gas station. at the gas station, dzokhar goes inside to buy snacks taking his time picking out chips. that's when mang decided to run. surveillance video shows tamerlan going to tell his brother mang has escaped. he leaves the snacks and follows tamerlan mang alerted police his suv had gps tracking. a crucial break that helped police close in on the tsarnaev brothers. and tsarnaev sitting in the court seemed a little bit more engaged than he has been in the past week. in the past week he didn't seem to care about the witnesses who testified about the injuries they sustained. it seemed that watching himself
on the surveillance video really sort of engaged him in a way it hadn't before. prosecutors are just burning through their case. they've already had about 50 witnesses testify in just six days. they may be done a lot quicker than they anticipated and then they will move on to the guilt phase. michaela? >> deb. incredible to see the video, we heard so much about that story and to see it play out on video is incredible. it is time for cnn money now, chief business correspondent christine romans in the money center watching our money and the markets. >> hi there, stocks are up again for the year you guys it's been a wild week huge swings the dow fell 333 points on tuesday, yesterday stocks climbed 260 points that was enough to put us up for the year and not far from records. okay. the price tag of love -- are you tying the knot? i hope you saved your money. the average wedding cost $31,000 last year. the biggest cost? the venue, about $14,000 is the
average. the engagement ring is next costing $6,000. couples in manhattan face the biggest tab, about $76,000. >> and the cost to elope? zero. just just a suggestion. >> christine, thanks so much. let's turn back to ferguson where chris is telling us showing us incredibly how this all went down. >> well that is the big question for investigators here. mick in ferguson who movement there were protests in the streets last night, the real story is the manhunt for now. two suspects who police say ambushed officers what will this do to the community? how are they going to hand it will? can't just be ignored. we'll discuss with somebody at the center of helping this place recover, when we come back.
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community and the community at large. what are they going to make of the shoot sngs how will they come together? how will it affect any progress here at all? someone who is trying very hard to find answers to those questions is robert white, pastor of the peace of mind church of happiness, reverend good to see you. i asked you why the group was so small last night and you said the community still has mixed feelings about police. >> absolutely. the mixed feelings are from years of the way that certain police have handled this community. but last night was the beginning or a continuing of the process we've had as clergymen and as leaders in this community, to bridge that gap between the police and the community. we've put out a statement of faith, and in support of our officers. praying for those officers and their families. but we want to make the message very clear. our support of our officers is not an either/or thing. it's an and thing. we support great policing. we support protecting our police
as well as those in our community. >> and you say progress is being made stores are being built back up, jobs are coming to this community. people are working on the connections that weren't there frankly in years past with the police. >> absolutely. from the last time i've spoke with you, we've worked behind the scenes to build those relationships with chief belmar of the st. louis police department. that shooting put a damper on all of our hard work. we want everyone to calm down and realize that we trust that the police are going to bring to justice those individuals responsible. but we in the clergy we in the leadership of this community. we want to make it very clear -- we do not condone those actions of those individuals. but we also want to make sure that the narrative is written such that they're not connected to the work that we're doing. is it possible that they were in the crowd in yes, that's a possibility. but it's also possible that they were not in the crowd. so we would like for the police officers to take a step back and
let the investigation work itself out. the same way they do when a community member is shot. don't put the pictures out there of the helmet with blood on it showing the evidence of the officers being shot. because when it's on our end, they tell us to wait and allow the investigation to take place. >> and that's where the hard questions come in you talk to law enforcements here. you talk to big members of this community here. they say exactly what didn't happen with michael brown. the hands up don't shoot started. when that wound up not being validated by the grand jury not validated by the doj report that the community specifically the black community was silent. nobody came forward and said well i guess darren wilson i guess he had his appraisal by the doj, which is not local cops and i guess it was self-defense. nobody said that. these cops get shot everybody says it's a distraction. that that hurts the feeling of a bond on the side of law enforcement. does that make sense? >> it makes perfect sense. the bible says it will take the foolish things to confound the wise. my mother always says two
wrongs don't make a right. it's not good for us to come back and not say anything. it's not good for the officers to come out and say, they had a handgun, when you haven't had the evidence to prove so it's also not good for them to say they were in the crowd, when the evidence is not there yet. let's allow the evidence to take its place. we have to look at the doj report and realize there's evidence to prove that mike brown's hands was not up. let's not repeat that by saying the same thing here he was in the crowd or saying he had a handgun. >> why do you have to draw an equivalence. that's part of the frustration is that they did it with mike brown. maybe we're doing it right now. it goes back and forth wixt not just take things as they lie? you know what the doj report says about the mike brown shooting. you know what it says about the culture of policing right? if you give respect to both findings doesn't that help build community? >> and that's why i say it's an and thing. we in the african-american community, we've been told for years to forget about slavery. forget about what has happened to us. so i think what happens in this
narrative, we have to keep what happened to mike brown in the forefront so that it's not forgotten. let's not forget what happened to these young men all across this country when the limelight is put on when the tables are turned. we bring them both simultaneously together. so that as our counterparts in the jewish community does so often, we will never forget what happened. if we allow it to be pushed under the rug, our next generations will not be reminded of what has happened to the past. >> and the message is obviously very strong coming from you and hopefully it spreads, that this isn't just something that happened. this isn't a distraction. changing this community, part of it will be addressing violence towards officers and the respect that needs to be there. otherwise you will never have police being comfortable being in a community where they feel every time they put on the uniform, they could get shot. >> it's not just us it's justice, we are looking for justice in all walks of life. black life matters a lot of us
have police officers in our families. we want them to come home to their families and protect those in the community. >> we're going through lent coming into easter easter is rebirth and renewal. a little sign that the reverend is trying to help here alisyn and michaela new baby in your family what's the name? >> kyree seth we open him with open arms he's healthy and strong. >> new baby new life. what do you think about the issues that surrounding these two police officers and the issues that remain here. can you go to facebook.com/newday, mick? >> that's such a nice message to end on. thanks so much. new information on the latest secret service scandal. the details a little murky voupding agents who had some sort of incident following a night of drinking. the big question why was their new boss kept in the dark for days? get theraflu... ...with the power of three medicines to take on your worst pain and fever, cough and nasal congestion. it breaks you free from your toughest cold and flu symptoms. theraflu. serious power.
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repair its reputation. big question is the new director joseph clancy the right person to fix the secret service? joining us white house correspondent for the "washington examiner" susan crabtree. we know you've been digging into what's gone on. you've learned that in this night of question the two agents were able to get through two checkpoints without issue. the car was driving very slowly and may have just nudged an orange traffic cone instead of crashing into some sort of blockade but they did disrupt or drive through a suspicious package investigation. does that match what you're hearing? >> that's the same as i am hearing. the one sort of outrageous thing is they may have actually run over the suspicious package. all of that will come out in the details. and that's what i think is bothering some of the officers that were on the scene that night and that's maybe why this leak came out in the press.
you have had joseph clancy not knowing for many days about this incident. >> five days. >> yes, and that's pretty outrageous. >> to this investigation, one of the things that's coming into question seems a little murkier. the details about whether or not they were drinking whether the agent driving was drunk at the time. and the fact that an officer who had wanted to do a field sobriety test was overruled by a supervisor that essentially sent them home. what are you hearing about all of that? >> well there will be eye witnesses that were at this retirement party for edwin donovan, a retiring secret service spokesman. and there will be witnesses. so if they were drinking that will all come out in the investigation. but i talked to lawyers and they say that the person who wasn't driving, he's going to be getting off, this is not a problem for him. it's the person who was driving. >> behind the wheel. >> exactly. >> we know the two agents involved have been named mark connolly, second in command of president obama's security detail. george ogilvie, a senior adviser
in the d.c. office. these are high-ranking fellows. any word on discipline? if they have been or they will be? >> well what i have been told by an attorney who specializes in labor law, she said that they're going to be facing a 30-day suspension at least for the person who drove the government vehicle. that's misuse of a government vehicle. that's taxpayer dollars, they're not allowed to take these government vehicles to social events. and certainly not allowed to be drinking at the social events. so that's one of the things they're facing. and but it's going to be six to nine months before we months and months before this investigation wraps up. >> just what this agency that's already facing other challenges and perception issues doesn't need. they brought in joe clancy to oversee and to bring back the sterling reputation that the agency once had. he didn't get told about this until some five days into this. what is your sense of what people are saying? that he's doing the right thing?
it will take time to turn this agency around? or is he not the right person to change it? >> well it's interesting, because president obama backed him strongly yesterday through his spokesman. so we have that confidence that the white house level. but what people are saying is that this is all too typical. that there's a culture of cover-up at the secret service. and that these supervisors often provide uneven discipline. and sometimes cover up misdeeds and misconduct. and maybe joseph clancy didn't even know about it. but the problem is is that he's from the inside he's not an outsider. and the independent panel recommended an outsider for this role to really shake things up. >> we have heard about this morale issue inside the agency for some time. dating back several months even perhaps years. we've heard about the allegations of cover-up. is that still prevalent, even under clancy? >> well you know it seems like this incident is if this is an anomaly. that would be a good thing. but this incident really is raising the hackles of congressional investigators. and they want to see some strong
response some strong action taken. and basically you're going to have to have a sped-up investigation and there's going to be some message that needs, that joseph clancy needs to do. he's going to have to send a strong message in this case. >> susan crabtree great to have you with us on "new day," thanks for joining us and your great reporting. a whole lot of news, so let's get right to it. >> no justice, no peace! >> live from ferguson missouri once again. >> one thuggish opportunist can set back an entire movement. >> heinous and cowardly attacks. >> there is no trust for ferguson police department right now. we now know the identities of the two secret service agents. >> these officers had suspected alcohol on their breath. >> the new director of the secret service didn't even find out about this incident until about five days after it happened. three-quarters of the city of tikrit in northern iraq now back in government hands. >> for the iraqi army this is a
crucial task. we saw them melt away in the face of isis last summer. >> one of the things that struck me is the charm and her humor. >> a lot of good ideas. this is "new day," with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> good morning, welcome to your "new day," i'm coming to you live from ferguson missouri. there are protests here last night, there was a vigil for the officers as well. but the city very much divided and on edge. police in a desperate search for these two suspects now. in the ambush shootings of two police officers. we're going to have more on that in just a moment. first let me get you back to new york with alisyn and mick. >> chris, great to have you on the ground walking us through the geography and logistics, we'll get back to you in a second. also this morning we're learning more about the two secret service agents who allegedly drove on to white house grounds right through an active investigation. why did it reportedly take days for their boss to find out about
this? also secretary of state john kerry is in egypt talking to middle east leaders about terrorism before these next round of nuclear talks with iran begin. we're going to get to all of that. first back to chris in ferguson. chris? >> the big question is who did it. yes, there were protests last night, yes, the message was the same. that they want justice or there will be no peace. but that message means a little something different now in the chateau of these two officers being shot. there's so many different witness accounts of where they came from. it's actually complicating this investigation. let's get to you cnn's aileenalina machado. monitoring the manhunt. >> authorities are tracking down the leads. they're trying to find the people responsible for this ambush shooting. even though it's been more than 24 hours since the two officers were gunned down outside this police department we know that there are no arrests so far. now, we also know that authorities say they've
identified two people they believe may have been involved one of them could even be the shooter. so far they have not found these people. and they continue searching for them. now, just hours after the shooting, we know authorities went to a house that's just a few blocks from where we are. they talked to three people they took them into questioning. and those people have since been released. we talked to those people. they tell us they were asked about their whereabouts during the protest and were also asked they saw the shooter. they told us they had nothing to do with what happened and they didn't see anything. it's worth noting that the st. louis county police department and the missouri state highway patrol are now taking over the security detail during protests. this is going to happen from this point on. they want to make sure they have the right security in place to make sure that this doesn't happen again. and it's also worth noting that thanks to two missouri congressmen there is now a reward being offered in this case a $3,000 reward for any information that leads police to the shooter.
chris? >> all right, alina, that's part of the story of the bigger motivation of this community, to find justice for their police. what will the shootings do to the effort to bring this community together? let's go to ryan young, he's tracking down the story about how the community will deal with what just happened. >> chris, a lot of people talking about that. in fact there was a prayer vigil last night where clergy were coming together to urge peace. especially in the streets. we did see protesters move outside and once again, block traffic. and protest. obviously they want their voices heard. but i talked to people here and they were upset that once again the focus has been moved off the entire investigation, to talk about progress because of two officers being shot. it's something that the entire law enforcement community is also talking about because of the safety of the officers. president obama was on jimmy kimmel last night and he talked about his thoughts over the latest shooting. >> there was no excuse for criminal acts.
and whoever fired those shots shouldn't detract from the issue. they're criminals. they need to be arrested. and then what we need to do is to make sure that like-minded, good-spirited people on both sides, law enforcement who have a terrifically tough job, and people who understandably don't want to be stopped and harassed just because of their race that we're able to work together to try to come up with some good answers. >> so you hear the president's words. but attorney general eric holder also called the shootings an ambush. and went on to say whoever the shooter was, is a punk. chris? >> well said. ryan thank you very much we're working the story. now we're going to get some perspective from general counsel for the st. louis police officers association, and attorney for officer darren wilson neil bontrager, very good to have you with us counsel. >> thanks chris. >> we keep hearing this phrase i want your comment on it. these shootings of these officers should not be a
distraction to the progress. do you see these shootings as a distraction or are they a part of a dynamic that needs to be addressed in order for there to be any progress? >> i don't see them as a distraction. i don't see them as related to what we're doing. obviously what's happened is terrible. it happened here up at ferguson. i don't think this is part of the movement. so let me say that i want to separate that out. it was a criminal act. someone who was acting as a criminal. i don't think it was the peaceful protesters think it's somebody who is a criminal. i think there's a lot we need to talk b. i think it is part of the bigger narrative, what it displays is what police officers face every day. >> which is what? >> they face threats and danger and loss of life. they were out here that night. the two police officers here weren't ferguson police officers one was a st. louis county police officer and another one is from webster's grove where i live. they were assigned to be up here. because we needed to have police officers up here. every day when they put on their belt. they don't know if they're going to go home and that's what we
saw here. >> people question the supposition about how the protests rk policed. they say in new york police walk along the side and you can go wherever you want to go. here they're always pushing us into confined areas, and that always creates unrest. do you believe the tactics being used by the police are too inflammatory? >> no i think they're being careful. i've been part of the conversation about what they're supposed to do the police community says look we're probably not doing enough. we probably need to do more in that regard. there's a balance that has to be struck. in the end it's about peace and it's about safety. so again, what the police officers are doing and what the command rank officers are doing is making sure they're balancing the first amendment rights that individuals have to gather and speak against issues. you've got to strike a balance. and when you do something's got to give on either side. everybody has to be willing to cooperate. >> it's hard to imagine a more damning doj report than the one that came out about the police department here. it does seem there were predatory police practices,
racially or revenue oriented. they were targeting people in ways that were unjust and maybe racially motivated. how do you own that report and make the changes that needed to be made? >> i don't think the report was necessary in order to understand the changes need to be made. i have some criticisms about the report but it would take me an hour to go through all of those things. it doesn't mean we don't have problems we do. it's not just ferguson it's around the country we had marchs in new york california everywhere. which says to me in the policing community, we've got an issue, we've got to deal with these issues. >> specific allegations, new york city i never heard of them chasing after blacks for fines, 95%, everyone who gets hit for jaywalking. it looks like targeted practices, period. >> there are a lot of assumptions that report makes. if i had an hour on the witness stand with whoever it is that authored that report. i can tell you they would have a lot of problems justifying it. i don't think it would pass
judicial muster. but that's not important. what is important is we do have real issues we have to deal with. the problems they're talking about here in ferguson i think they were general jen rated by revenue more than anything else -- generated by revenue. >> why didn't they bust all the whites? >> i think they did. i don't think the issue is they were targeting blacks, they were targeting everybody. >> but the numbers look like they were a disproportionate number of blacks. >> 67% black in ferguson. but jennings immediately to the east is better than 90% black. if you look at berkeley to the west it's better than 80% black. i need to know who's in that car. i need to know a lot more about who is being stopped and why. >> they do tell you that the percentage was lower for blacks who wind up having an action, a prosecutable offense than it was for whites stopped for the same thing. >> it doesn't give you real numbers. >> it looks bad. >> i'm not saying it doesn't. i'm simply saying there's a lot more we need to understand.
but i don't want to get distracted by arguments over statistics. >> except that the change will be slowed if the premise is not accepted. which is you've got a culture problem here and that means top-down. >> i don't think we have a culture problem here. i think we've got a culture problem all over the place regarding policing and that's a two-way street. think that ferguson is simply the poster child for it right now. now again let's say in also i think the justice department has no intention of coming into this police department and managing this police department. i think the point is to disassemble this police department. so again, ultimately what you're going to do is close them out. i don't think ferguson could withstand a consent decree the cost is too high. >> you mean having a different set of people running this place? >> i mean by consent decree putting yourself in a position where you're being monitored by the justice department on a regular basis. those kind of bills can run as much as $2 million, they cath do that and have a police department so what they're going to probably have to do is disassemble the police department disband it and bring
st. louis county in so they can do this. the problem in terms of change then becomes, if you want to change, chief jackson came from st. louis county. chief ikoff who is sitting here now, going to be the the acting chief. came from st. louis county. who are you going to bring in? st. louis county. that's not the change perhaps that people want. so again what i'm coming back to chris is it's not going to look like people think it's going to look. i think if you drill down into all this i think in order to really make change we're going to have to change on a much broader scale. not just ferguson not just st. louis county. not just st. louis city it's got to be everywhere. >> another doj report came out that not only said they can't prosecute darren wilson because they can't make the bar. they believe that most of the evidence most of the witnesses suggest that darren wilson's account was true. >> right. >> what does that mean to him? >> well it means across the board, that there was a false narrative, okay? it means that literally to everybody. the biggest complaint i have
about the way the justice department has handled everything is that he didn't point out the false narrative. they should have said simply look we've looked at this line by line. witness by witness, we've done everything we need to do and here's the unavoidable conclusion. what they should have said is you needed to have confidence in the investigation that went on. all we've heard about is a lack of confidence in policing right? we know the grand jury did what they should have done because the doj report vindicates that. they should have come out and said that. and they didn't do any of that. they left that sort of hanging. i'm still hearing people who are saying he had his hands up. i'm hearing people saying that he tried to surrender. all of those things have been disproved. and yet people are still grasping at these other things. let's talk about the things we really need to talk about. in order to do that we have to have real facts. we have to focus on the real issues. >> you have to be honest about the problems on both sides. >> sure. >> counsel, thank you so much. we're committed to the story to see the progress as well not just the problems. >> thanks i appreciate that chris, i do.
back to you, alisyn? >> that conversation just perfectly sort of exemplifies that the devil is in the details there and how to move forward. the solutions are complicated. well meanwhile president obama expressing disappointment with the latest embarrassing incident involving the secret service, two high-ranking agents driving in a government vehicle allegedly after drinking at a party and disrupting an active bomb investigation in the process. cnn's sunlen serfaty is live at the white house with more. >> rather than being informed immediately about the incident the new secret service directoror was told five days after the incident. that according to law enforcement sources says it's very possible he might have been informed even later than the white house. this of course is coming from the agency that he has vowed to fix. now, many facts are still unclear about the incident. we now know that in addition to the two secret service agents who allegedly were driving under
the influence, in addition had according to law enforcement sources, they drove under police tape and disrupted an active investigation of a suspicious package that was also happening at the same time on white house grounds. congress now is calling for more answers, why there were no arrests. why no sobriety tests. and why that supervisor intervened and led to those agents going home that evening. a top republican says that the agency has put the safety of the first family at risk. >> if it's true that these officers had suspected that these people had alcohol in their breath that they were driving, that they impeded, got in the way of an active investigation, a potential bomb on the white house grounds, and the supervisor just decides to let them go? this is what is so terribly frustrating. >> the house oversight committee has sentd a letter to the director. they want him to turn over any photos surveillance videos and audio tapes of the incident and
have called him before congress next week. >> a lot of tough questions for him, thank you so much for that. divers are expected back in the water off the florida panhandle today to recover the bodies of the last two remain service member who is died in the army helicopter crashed. officials say their bodies are likely trapped in the aircraft. the black hawk chopper crashed tuesday night. four national guardsmen and seven marines died. no word on what caused the crash, but dense fog was reported the night of the accident. an american health worker infected with ebola is expected to arrive at the national institutes of health in maryland. the person's identity hasn't been released. but we know the aid worker volunteered to treat ebola in sierra leone. the paesht will be flown to the u.s. on a chartered aircraft. a navy sailor holding his newborn baby cradled in an american flag. when the photographer posted the picture on her facebook page
she said she was harassed by people who thought she was disrespecting the flag. hicks is a navy veteran, her husband is active duty in the navy. despite the scrutiny she chose not to take the picture down. saying the picture shows what quote being an american is all about. where do you stand? >> who would think a newborn baby and a flag ginedcombined would have so much controversy. she is donating 15% of the proceeds from her photographs to a service organization so we want to know what you think about all this. >> i think it's interesting, the olympics won a gold medal athlete wins they run around the oval with the american flag draped around them as a sign of patriotism. is this not a sign of patriotism? just a thought for to you think about. >> let us know on twitter and facebook. all right we're going to head back out to chris in ferguson for the very latest update on the shooting of two
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reached. with talks set to resume this weekend, how will this new report affect negotiations and what does it mean? here to talk about it is aaron david miller the vice president for new initiatives and a distinguished scholar at the woodrow wilson international center. he previously was an adviser to six secretaries of state on the arab/israeli peace process. great to see you this morning. let's talk about the new report. so it's possible that part of the deal could mean u.n. sanctions being lifted against iran. does this come as a surprise? >> it's an ongoing effort. it's actually been tried before. in '06 and '07. in exchange for stopping its enrichment program and revealing it. germans and the french really did offer to reverse sanctions. never quite worked. and i think these talks frankly have been in the works for a while. it's an indication to me, though not that the negotiations are going so well that the p5+1 needs an additional tool or incentive to
compensate for the obvious reality that it's going to be extremely hard for this congress and this president to work out an arrangement by which sanctions are eased, let alone lifted. so i think this is an effort to induce if anything the iranians to consider moving forward. >> as we were just saying you've worked with six secretaries of state, you've been around negotiations like this for decades, yet you say this one is one of the toughest you've ever seen. how so? >> every negotiation has a rhythm and an ebb and flow. any number of moving parts. and the key of course is to reduce those numbers of moving parts. define the gaps get the decision-makers to close on them. i've never seen something like this. first of all, there's the issue itself. we're not talking about a peace treaty. we're talking about putative nuclear weapons state which raises the stakes in the drama. second you have fundamentally suspicious allies the israelis the gulf states the saudis who
are persuaded we're not only negotiating a bad deal on the nuclear issue, but we're about to make iran the centerpiece of our middle eastern strategy. add to that the domestic political constraints. you've seen the boehner invitation to prime minister netanyahu. the letter of 47. by the way, it's not just our congress. you have domestic constraints on the other side. the supreme leader himself, unlike congress has the right at any time in the interests of the state of the islamic republic to cancerscel and revoke any agreement. so there's considerable opposition there. and then you've got the reality that this is a very tricky deal there are no good deals here. there are just deals that minimize the nature of the risks for both sides. >> you talk about the supreme leader. and being distrustful. we have a perfect example of this. just yesterday the ayatollah khamenei put out this statement,
he says and i'm quoting, of course i'm concerned. because the other side is into deception, trickery and back-stabbing. he's talking about the u.s. and the p5+1 countries. is that bluster? or is that a harbinger of the deal falling apart? >> i think it could be both. but what it is for sure is a deep reflection of this man's fundamental mistrust. united states. and we can't forget that the government uses the united states to maintain its own legitimacy. it plays to their advantage to sometimes portray the international community. but particularly the americans as victimizers. and denying of iranian rights. and that's a very effective tool to mobilize his constituency. as well as to try to preempt the prospects of political change or at least control it. in his own country. look in the end, no good deals,
just varying, variations of bad ones. but at the end of the day, alisyn if there's going to be a deal i would put the odds at 50-50 right now. by the end of march, you're going to need three things. you're going to need intrusive inspections and monitoring. >> will iranians agree to the intrusive inspections? >> i don't think there's any other alternative. you're going to need to extend that break-out period. and the break-out period merely means the time in which iran would be able to produce one bomb grades worth of uranium, of uranium for a weapon. that should be extended to a year. to give the international community both the time to detect react and if necessary, take action. and finally this is the core point with respect to congress this is why the dysfunction with congress is so devastating at this point.
the administration needs to find a way to work with congress to insure that if in fact the iranians do break out, with severe violations that the administration and congress could set into motion certain trigger mechanisms additional sanctions and yes, if necessary, military action. if tehran breaks out. we're in a situation where the executive branch and congress each in their own way, are complicating the pursuit of this agreement. and in the end there are no guarantees. we're trapped, i'm afraid alisyn between unrealistic aspirations that we're going to eliminate any iranian nuclear program on the one hand and any realistic alternatives if we're smart and tough enough delay substantially and degrade that program. and that's the real choice. >> aaron david miller you have spelled out perfectly how complicated this weekend will be
for secretary kerry. we appreciate your expertise and you walking us through this. thank you. >> alisyn thank you so much. well the battle for isis with isis for tikrit iraqi forces appear to be winning with the help of iran's military. what could iran's role mean for the united states going forward?
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ferguson is on edge a manhunt under way for two people believed to be involved in the ambush of two police officers that were shot early thursday morning. one of them could be the shooter. police say the shots were fired from about 120 yards away or more. both wounded officers are now out of the hospital and are recovering. we're going to take you live to ferguson with chris cuomo just ahead. also president obama's secret service detail under the microscope this morning. two high-ranking agents suspected of being drunk and reportedly driving through an area where colleagues were investigating a suspicious package at the white house. one of the agents said to be the number two man on the president's protective detail. the other, a senior supervisor
in the washington field office. according to cnn sources, the new director james, joe clancy did not learn about the incident for days. a canadian tourist has been killed after a small inflatable tour boat collided with a gray whale after the coast of cabo san lucas, mexico. the victim identified as jennifer karen, the 35-year-old was rushed to the hospital. doctors could not save her. two other people aboard the boat also suffered minor injuries. >> my gosh that's terrible. president obama poking fun at himself. reading mean tweets about him during an appearance on jimmy kimmel last night. >> ♪ ♪ >> a coors rank 30-rack is $23
at sun stop. thanks obama. somebody send obama some life hacks on how to be a good president, ha ha. like i bet that would help. l.o.l. you know l.o.l. is redundant when you have the "ha ha"? i'm all right with the president wearing jeans. i'm not all right with the president wearing those jeans. i think i get the point. >> oh okay. that is kind of great. >> i think those are probably not the meanest he's ever seen. >> i think you're right. it's great to read mean tweets you and i should do it at some point. >> maybe with a glass of something in our hands. >> i like how you think. iraqi forces have been making gains against ice nis tikrit with support of iran. how does iran's involvement shape what happens next in the war against the terror group? joining us for some perspective, cnn military analyst major
general james spider marks, thanks for joining me this morning. let's talk about tikrit and why it is so crucial. >> are you able to hear me? >> i've got you michaela. my apologies. >> talk to us about why tikrit is so crucial. >> that was an enterquestion. what's happening is that the iraqi security forces to have a major offensive against isis in iraq. they're enjoying success, which is a good thing. the challenge we see is that iran has a very strong influence in the form of a militia and some significant leadership that's in place to galvanize that militia. to support the isf. so the success on the ground is a good thing as we've indicated. but that's a tactical result that we're seeing. strategically moving forward, the challenge becomes what type
of other influence will iran be able to generate in iraq and that's the challenge. and it's been there all along. again, tactically right now unless the united states or someone else can provide an alternative that will yield the same type of success, tactically which is what has to happen right now, then there is no alternative. iraqis will continue to lean on iran and the force that's in place and that's not a good thing in terms of how we move forward with iran. we have zero past performance in being able to influence actions on the ground vis-a-vis iran. and for to us assume we can moving forward is a concern. >> general dempsey echoes your concern about the involvement of iran. listen to what he had to say. >> look iran is going to be influential in iraq. has been influential in iraq. and i am concerned about the way they wield that influence, there's ways they could wield it to promote a better iraq
economically for example. and there's ways they can wield that influence to create a state where the sunni and the kurds are no longer welcome. and it's my concern about the latter that we're watching carefully as this tikrit event unfolds. >> and it's the question of which direction iran will go as the strategy moves forward and as the u.s. figures out its involvement in this. >> well you know michaela we have no evidence that iran is going to do anything that would be positive toward a successful outcome or a shared vision with the united states or other regional partners. that's going to be to anybody's benefit other than tehran's. so i don't, i understand what general dempsey is saying completely. we should be optimistic that they might be able to we might be able to achieve that kind of outcome. what i see happening is we're backing ourselves into a strategy because iran is helping iraq be successful tactically on
the ground, we now can assume ideally that they might help us lead down a path that leads us to a strategic outcome that's favorable. i don't see that. >> i want to turn to a situation, quite alarming a report that 40 iraqi soldiers were killed. isis apparently dug a tunnel underneath the headquarters of their headquarters killing these 40 iraqi soldiers. detonating ieds. we have seen unusual tactics and terrible tactics and the lengths that isis will go to. this is another example of the challenging foe isis represents. >> well absolutely. and what it really tells you is that isis has a presence and with that presence they are able to conduct operations. you don't dig underground, you don't conduct operations subterranean operations that take effort time engineering capabilities explosives capabilities clearly they have those capabilities and
techniques embedded in their force. in order to accomplish something like this this takes a lot of intelligence it takes a lot of familiarity with the ground with the conditions. this indicates that isis has a very strong presence. we have known that. but in order to accomplish this that's a long-term engagement with some really horrible results for the isf. >> major general spider marks we appreciate you joining us. have a great friday. full stop. >> i'll pay attention next time. >> delivery was my error, apologies, have a great weekend. >> problem is mine. see you. it's hard to see punctuation on television i find. meanwhile back to one of our top stories this morning, after the two police officers were shot in ferguson the family of michael brown now speaking out. we will talk to their attorney, benjamin crump, next. the world is filled with air. but for people with copd sometimes breathing air can be difficult. if you have copd, ask your doctor about once-daily anoro ellipta.
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about what these shootings of these officers could mean. what is that concern? >> well first they offer their sympathies to the officers and their families. and i hope that the law enforcement community offers sympathies to her and her family as they continue to encourage the community to work with the police. this is not what they wanted violence is never the solution. so they are saying work with the police so we can find these criminals who committed this heinous act. but more importantly, this is the opportunity for us to see how far we've progressed since august. the community and the police department in ferguson trying to work together on a common goal. not just those findings from doj, because that is what we really want to get back the focus on. and also we're trying to find out who committed this heinous act. >> while we keep hearing that we don't want the shootings to be a distraction from advocates in the community, in a way they are
not a distraction, they're a part of the policing culture in this community. that is going to affect behavior by police. not just vengeful behavior. you took shots on two of ours we're going to be hard on you. and what the community needs to put out is a message of respect. >> we hope that the police will not see this as a them versus the community. not even them versus the african-american community. but an opportunity to say this we can work together. the community and the police can come together and we can get the results of not only sending a clear message to america that this won't be tolerated. we won't stand for violence and we have some serious issues and problems we need to be focused on. and we don't need any distractions from that hover did this heinous act as we said before is not a supporter of michael brown junior. think about what was going on. we were addressing finally the serious issues finding in the
doj report and anybody who has been working with the brown family this is the last thing you wanted. >> right. because, look it proves that there are deep issues leer. that the police there are risks to them in the community. that has to be addressed as well. i want to look at both aspects of the doj report. do you believe any way you can mitigate the strength of what was said about this police department? >> absolutely. we talk about the findings there were two reports. the one report said you had this pattern of discrimination and excessive force against african-americans. and they talked about this overt racism in the emails. but then on the other hand they said but the police officer who shot michael brown wasn't affected by this. so you got to make sense of all of that. you have the cesspool of racism but saying it's not going to spill over to the individual officers. these is the serious problem.
>> the lawyer for darren wilson represents the officers of st. louis county. he said there was some false premises in that report about the culture here and it's really about a problem that's all over the country. not just ferguson. that ferguson isn't the problem. do you agree with that. >> i think everybody in my community who has read that report would say, that's what we've been saying all along. we are treated differently by the police and so forth. however, you cannot deny those things in the report. the raw statistics. >> it's not simply that there are just more blacks so blacks are going to be higher in every category. >> yeah. remember this chris there are bad actors on both sides there are bad actors within the department. there are bad actors in the african-american community. and what we have to say is we want to make sure we hold everybody accountable so don't run away from this report. don't try to deny this report let's say it's some serious issues we got to address. and if we don't get our head out
the sand nobody can move forward. >> you have the other aspect of the doj report which is about the michael brown shooting. the criticism would be why isn't the community coming out to support that finding the way they're supporting the findings about the culture of policing saying all right, they did their investigation, it looked like darren wilson they believe was telling the truth. >> the community is there's some people in the community that have the support of that i would say look at the report for yourself. you have to ask yourself chris, the killing of an unarmed teenager when is he going to be cross-examined by anybody? ask the tough questions about inconsistencies. ask the tough questions about why you had to shoot. we haven't had that. i get why you want that. >> people in the african-american community just think if that was us the rules just different. they would be asking us all these tough questions. >> well it depends, it depends. if you didn't get indicted you would never be cross-examined by
a lawyer. >> there lies the problem. >> it is a problem of perception. >> exactly. >> he twoent a grand jury they said he shouldn't be prosecuted. the doj who everybody celebrated coming in here eric holder he'll make everything right. his findings are that they believe darren wilson. why isn't that getting supported more? >> i think people are saying when you look at all of these killings of unarmed people of color, eric gardner, tamir rice. we're told our lives don't matter because the deaths are swept under the rug and no police officer is never held accountable. are we to say that a police officer is never wrong when they kill a person of color? that's the message that's going out. >> you had the case with the kid coming down the stairs and the officers shot at him, he was indicted. every case is different. >> every case is absolutely different. but there's no denying the perception in america, when
people of color are killed that we are not given equal justice when it's the police on the other side. that's what we got to deal with. if we want to have trust and faith on both sides, we got to say at some point, police officers got to be held accountable for killing us too. you look at the statistics why is it happening at such an alarming rate in america today? >> understood that's the problem and the hard part is obviously finding an answer not just the perception but the reality. >> we have a lot of work to do. alisyn to you. >> on a lighter note prince charles is opening up about his love life. and his life as a grandfather with another heir on the way, we take you live to london for the cnn exclusive. s craig wilson a ready for you alert the second his room is ready, ya know what he becomes? great proposal! let'stalk more over golf. great. how about over tennis? even better. a game changer! the ready for you alert, only at laquinta.com.
now to a cnn royal exclusive. prince charles opening up about his ten-year marriage to camila dutch chess of cornwall and his newest role as grandfather to be for a second time. cnn's max foster sat down with us. max is joining us from london. give us the headlines. >> reporter: rarely he gives interviews but when he does he never talks about anything personal. this is one of those rare occasions. what he wanted to do is really ten years after they married talk about his wife to britts mainly but also to the world and say, you know you're more accepting of her. this is what she's like. it's part of the preparation, really for when he becomes king and she technically will become queen. he spoke very, very openly about
her and he talked about the real challenges as he called them, that she's faced in her public profile up against that legend that was princess diana. i think the public, polls show this have warmed to her over time. and i think the palace strategy has changed a bit. they're not trying to spin people into liking her, they're actually just letting her be herself and as people meet her they learn to like her. i asked prince charles about that how her character doesn't always come across on camera. >> it's a peculiar thing. sometimes the camera but also inevitably you are perhaps a bit more relaxed when it's slightly more private. we don't want people totally surrounded all the time by the dreaded camera. >> reporter: the dreaded camera. now he knows what life is like for us alisyn. >> except we like it. max, that looks fascinating. it's great you got him to open up. we'll tune in to that.
thanks so much. be sure to watch the cnn documentary "spotlight charles and camila" this saturday at 7:30 p.m. eastern only on cnn. tons of people are tossing pizzas at a home in albuquerque. >> they're lucky. >> as you might try to understand that, the owner is not pleased. what's behind all the pizza pelleting? well jeanne moos explains. >> reporter: it's a special delivery when a pizza ends up on the roof not of your mouth but of your house. >> ah! >> reporter: this is a famous scene from "breaking bad" when walter white tries to make peace with his wife. >> pizza. >> reporter: she ends up closing the door on his face and he launched the pizza but the actual house in albuquerque, new mexico, has become a tourist attraction for fans and owner francis pedia says a few have been flicking pizzas. >> some have tried and miss the. if you're going to be a jerk
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>> this was a damn punk. >> they're criminals. they need to be arrested. >> did the ferguson police department police for profit. >> the detrimental effect on the people they are supposed to be serving. >> secretary of state john kerry is in egypt for talks with iran on nuclear issues. >> congress does have the ability to take away from the president the power to implement this agreement. jurors hearing from the first time from a man who was car jacked at gun point by the tsarnaev brothers. >> he frantically begged the clerk to call 911. this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. good morning. welcome back to your "new day." it is friday march 13th. 8:00 in the east. we're live from ferguson missouri. a powder keg once again after the shooting of two police officers. two people are now wanted for questioning in connection with this ambush but there's a lot of other news this morning. let's get you to alisyn and michaela for that.
>> chris, we will talk to you about that manhunt very shortly when we go back to ferguson. meanwhile, the identity of two secret service agents have been revealed. why did it take days before the secret service director found out about this incident? >> a lot of questions about that. we'll explore a new report about u.n. sanctions could affect nuclear talks this weekend. let's head back to ferguson and chris cuomo. chris. >> reporter: all right. the shooting of these two officers just brought everything into very sharp focus once again. it happened early thursday morning, and it is now what this community is going to do to deal with the very two distinct ideas about what change means here. let's get to cnn's alina mu chadachado about the manhunt. they believe they're getting close. what's the latest? >> reporter: that's right, chris. we know authorities have been chasing countries down a number of leads. even though it's been more than 24 hours since the two officers
were shot here we haven't heard of any arrests at least not yet. what we do know is that authorities have identified two people two people of interest that they want to talk to. one of them they believe may be the shooter. aye few hours after the shooting police were here in the area talking to people and they went to a house that's just a few blocks away from here. we know they took in three people for questioning. those people have since been released. they told cnn that they were asked about their whereabouts during the shooting they were asked if they saw anything suspicious. they tell us they did not. we know that a $3,000 reward is being offered in this case thanks to two missouri congressmen. they say they want to do everything they can to help police find the shooters. we also know there's been a change. the ferguson police department will no longer be involved or in charge of the security detail here during protests. that responsibility is now being given to two other agencies the st. louis county police department as well as the
missouri state highway patrol chris. >> all right, alina. thank you so much. there were protests last night but they were smaller and more quiet. there was a vigil for the officers and that was even smaller than the protests. how will this community deal with what just happened to these officers and then what is the way forward? let's get to ryan young who's been working the streets for us on that angle. ryan? >> reporter: chris, a lot of people were talking about this especially sings the video has been shown so widely so they did have that visual and the clergy were calling for calm. we did see protesters take to the streets. a lot smaller of a crowd. they did block the traffic and there were officers around. nothing like we saw the night before. you have to remember the officers weren't even engaged with anybody when they were shot. the president was on "jimmy kimmel" and he called this act pretty cowardly. >> there was no excuse for that and whoever fired those shots shouldn't detract from the issue. they're criminals. they need to be arrested and
then what we need to do is make sure like minded good spirited people on both sides, law enforcement who have a terrifically tough job and people who understandably don't want to be stopped and harassed just because of their race that we're able to work together and come up with some good answers. >> reporter: chris, we talked to a woman who said she was upset that this shooting happened. she believes it changed the conversation. she wanted the protests to change the area and now everyone is talking about obviously these two officers being shot. eric holder had strong words calling the shooters or shooter punks. >> reporter: ryan thank you very much. some people say it's a distraction. some people say it is actually part of the problem. there are two very different schools of thought, as different as those two doj reports, one condemning the police department the other saying that officer darren wilson probably justified in what he did and that's why they're not
prosecuting. let's have that debate the best way we can. we have missouri state senator, maria sha palchappelle-nadal. and jeff roorda. you've had your conversation you had your relationship. yesterday it came a little bit to a head. i want to remind where we were yesterday so we can use that as a starting point and not arepetition. let's remember what happened. >> they shouldn't have been, they were a part of this just like you were. >> they were not. in fact -- >> they shouldn't be surprised. you're pouring kerosene on this fire. >> mr. roorda hold on. hold on. >> you've been there aiding and abetting the ablg gi tators. >> senator. >> no for you to charge that that is one of the reasons you are not elected today, sir. and you know what and you deserve that statement, too. >> are you calling me a racist senator? >> yes, absolutely. >> senator -- >> i represent county police officers and one of my friends of 20 years was shot last night
so don't tell me who i represent. >> absolutely do not. >> don't tell me who i represent. >> you're not a police officer today. the reason why you're not a police officer today is because you lied on a report and you deserve to be killed for that? you do not deserve to be killed for walking down the street. >> no he deserves to be -- he got killed because -- >> he deserves to be killed? >> all right. so we know the emotion is obvious. i know that you two know that this debate isn't about you as people, it's about the perspectives that you bring to it. let's have the conversation that needs to be had. senator, i'll start with you. this situation with these officers being shot many are saying this is a distraction. we don't want it to distract us from the main discussion we need to have but isn't it part of that discussion? isn't it part about the risk that is present for officers in this community? doesn't that have to be addressed as well? >> absolutely. police officers every single day put their lives on the line. in the incident that occurred a
couple of days ago should not have happened and it is a distraction and it is a part of this -- the discussion but what we have to do is focus on the bigger picture here. how do we create a community where we are building trust consistently. one of the things that i am doing right now is working with my constituents in trying to figure out who acted in this very cowardly way because we have to build the trust in the community and build friendships among police departments throughout st. louis. >> mr. roorda i know it was personal for you because you knew one of the men who were injured here. >> right. >> i'm sorry for you and for your friends, but you also have to look at what is driving a lot of the emotion here and that is that damning report from the doj that basically in the minds of many here justifies what they say they've been saying for many years. what do you believe should be the ownership of that report by the law enforcement community of what seems to be a very clear
culture of biased policing? >> well, first of all, nothing in that report or anywhere else justifies deadly violence aimed at police but senator chappelle-nadal's point, the protesters that have peaceful intentions in these crowds, their voices can't be heard over gunfire. so we need to figure out a way where we can have this local dialogue really this national dialogue about how we build trust between law enforcement and the communities they police and, you know the terrible tragedy that we saw here 36 hours ago doesn't move that forward. >> and yet the protests yesterday you seemed to feel that hey, these protests are part of the problem, that's why these officers got shot. you do understand that there's an absolute right to this and you need to have the protests you need to have the voices out there otherwise the anger's not going to find anything of a positive aim for the anger, then we know what happens. it winds up being expressed in
negative ways? >> absolutely. there is an absolute right for the protesters to have their voice heard. my reluctance is these after-hour protests that are something very different from that that. that's when the violence is taking place. that's when not only the 1600 cops that i represent are put in harm's way and the peaceful protesters. the people in the crowd the other night had bullets whizzing over their heads as the officers were being shot. it's a dangerous, volatile environment and i think these after-hours protests really detrangt from the way forward more than they do contribute to it. >> reporter: well, a lot of a part of the way forward is going to be acceptance. the police have to accept what's in that doj report about them. you heard how jeff his immediate reaction was, well it doesn't justify violence. you have to deal with the culture of police as well.
you don't hear a lot of people in the protests especially saying, hey, that darren wilson looks like he was justified according to the doj, we should acknowledge that as well as part of what the truth of the situation is. why not? >> well you know here's the fact. people have been injured not only for six months or a year but literally for decades now, and the truth is out. the department of justice has validated what people have been saying for a very long time but what i want to focus on right now while people are talking about protests and when you protest, the positive things that happened last night was there was a forum in my district. there are people who came together who are running for elected office in april. what this situation has brought about, people are now engaged in the process. no longer are we going to have city council sz that are a majority white in that i community that is a majority black community. while some people were out on
the streets last night, some with good intentions what we have to focus on is how we are going to civically engage ourselves and our community and be civically responsible moving forward. and part of that is by going to town hall meetings and hearing from people what they have to say and what their visions are for the future. and so that is what i'm focusing on. i want to maintain the right of people to protest peacefully at any time of day. the constitution does not say you can protest from 7:00 to 5:00 in the morning. >> do you understand that point, jeff? >> i do and you have to balance civil rights against public safety. that is law enforcement's responsibility 24/7. just to sort of give an optimistic point. you know, as i was leaving the protests last night a gentleman sort of marched over to me with
a very aggressive posture and tone and, you know i immediately sort of joked with him and kind of put his defensive down then we had a very nice civil conversation for 20 minutes about his perspective as a young blackman living in that area and my perspective as a guy who represents cops and as a former cop. it was refreshing and the first civil conversation i could have with somebody out there. i started to leave and got in my car and i got out and handed the man my card and said let's talk some more. maybe that's a glimmer of optimism for the future. >> reporter: conversations have to be had. i want to re-ask each of you i asked because neither of you answered it. >> jeff:, when you look at -- jeff, when you look at the doj report that's something that has to be owned
by whoever does the policing here that there was a culture of bias. are you willing to embrace that and say, look the damage is there, we have to deal with it now? >> their report is very damning. those e-mails are reprehensible, but let's credit the mayor for immediately taking disciplinary action as soon as he became a ir aware of those e-mails. the court profiteering is disturbing but it's a problem in black and white communities here in missouri. >> reporter: right. but it is a problem here in ferguson. disproportionately black. the report said it was at least in part biased in its motivation so it's something that has to be owned. similarly, senator, have you to own the part of the report from the doj, you can't pick and choose. they also said that darren wilson based on the witnesses, based on the evidence it's not just that they can't prosecute because of the standard being too high, that they say there was credibility to his account. isn't that something that has to be owned to have honest conversation? >> absolutely and that's why we
are trying to change some of the laws that are in missouri right now. we are out of compliance with the u.s. supreme court when it comes to tennessee versus garner which properly defines what deadly force is. and missouri is totally out of its position with the u.s. supreme court. but more importantly, i think what we should be focusing on and what we should be taking ownership of on my side as we debate this we need to make sure that protesters understand the law. we need to make sure that they have a pathway that is peaceful so that we have outcomes that are productive and cree a it an environment where we can start building those bridges and trust. we do have a responsibility and for us not to be educated on what our civil rights are, our constitutional rights are is not going to be accepted. that's why i'm calling on all protesters to know the law, know where we need to be and work with your legislators so that we
can move forward in a productive manner. >> reporter: well hopefully what we saw an improvement in the conversation between you two today on these important issues will be reflected in the community overall. thanks to both of you for being on "new day" as always, alisyn. >> thanks chris. >> thanks chris. we'll get back to ferguson shortly. it turns out that neither president obama nor secret service director joseph clancey knew about the latest incident involving the secret service until days after it happened. two agents suspected of driving after drinking at a party, purportedly disrupting an active bomb investigation outside of the white house. one of the agents said to be the number two man on the president's personal protective detail the other a senior supervisor in the washington field office. a new unverified conversation from boko haram. isis militants are fighting iraqi forces to recapture
tikrit. while boko haram has killed thousands to impose islamist rule military forces have driven them from dozens of towns. now an out of this world mission. >> 2, 1, zero and lift off of the atlas 5 with mms. >> the atlas 5 rocket blasted off last night from cape canaveral, florida. it's carrying satellites to study magnetic reconnection. that causes things like solar flares. it makes the sky turn different colors. >> you're so informed. >> i knew i'd get your attention with magnetic reconnection. >> thank you for that. >> you're welcome. we'll have much more from chris. he is on the the ground in ferguson. first, a move to lift u.n. sanctions against iran may make it harder for capitol hill to undo any nuclear deal. did that open letter by 47 republican senators somehow back
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you have a mess back home that we can't work out. >> i think what it means is that the dysfunction that has plagued domestic politics has jumped into the foreign policy realm. >> is it going to undermine the deal. >> i don't know if it undermines this deal. i can actually, michaela make an argument that it can benefit the transaction. i think it benefits secretary kerry where he says to the iranians who he says look what i'm dealing with. i'm never going to be able to get them to buy into this long term. you need to make more concessions. i would love to think that that was what the republican true mind set that they wanted to benefit the negotiation of this deal. i think they were looking to put a thumb in the eye of the president. >> however, there are issues with what the republicans have with what they've heard about this deal, namely they want an oversight agency like the iaea going in to see what tehran is doing. they don't want it to sunset after ten years.
what's the point of a deal if they're going to have a weapon ten years from now. you might disagree with their tactics of sending an open letter to iran, but can you tis dismiss the content? >> no they raise legitimate points. i don't think they should be the ones to advance them or they should be advancing them in their advise and consent role to the president, not writing a direct letter to the iranians. >> republicans say they are not at the table. >> the republicans shouldn't be at the table because from a foreign policy perspective i think we need to speak with one voice and that voice needs to be the administration and the state department. if the republicans are displeased with that approach hey, we're two years away from an election and that's when they ought to make changes. here's where i think this ought to come out. full transparency. if there is a sunset provision at least i would say it's better if they've dialed back their iranian nuclear capability than the status quo which is that uranium enrichment continues. i'd rather have them retrench?
>> how likely is full transparency? >> can you trust them? this puts them back in the same position we seem to have been in. >> both sides are saying that. >> right. >> we heard khamenei say that. look i don't know we can trust. they changed the game. they changed the tactics. >> if the alternative is to launch a first strike against iran whether it's united states or the israelis, i'd much rather pursue this to the nth degree and know we made this. >> we had uber negotiator david miller on. >> he's terrific. >> he's advised six secretaries of state. 's he's no stranger to tough negotiations. he says this is one of the toughest he's seen because as you said all the different constituencies that they have to deal with back home. he gave it a 50-50 chance today. what do you think is going to happen? >> i yield to his judgment. he has far more expertise than i. to the point he makes about the ramifications of this it's truly a game of dominoes where there's a consequence to every
single move. what's most interesting to me is these negotiations are playing themselves out at a time when you have iran taking on isis and to that extent has become i hate to use the word ally or partner, that probably makes it -- but is the enemy of my enemy really my friend in this case? i don't know. it's a confusing picture. >> you referenced it earlier about our domestic issues impeding potentially the deals overseas. also i'm getting a little big here on fridays. i think it must be your presence here. it makes me think about the context of the 2016 elections, that cycle. if we're already having this kind of end run around the president, this kind of dissension divisiveness, what are we set for? >> i worry what this does for vladimir putin. they're politically wise. they assess what's going on in the united states. if they think they can play us against ourselves, michaela it's like no one wants to have a domestic squabble. you want to resolve your own
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we know that african-american males have been targeted systematically again and again. we also know in the last three years revenue in ferguson has increased exponentially. >> that was state senator maria chappelle-nadal suggesting that the ferguson, missouri police department is profiting by issuing more tickets than necessary. that's something the doj report seems to back up. our christine romans is here to explain the finances of ferguson. what have you found, christine? >> what's pretty clear on the numbers is the city was more and more reliant on this money from people for jay walking, for tickets citing for too long grass in the yard. $3.1 million in income from public citations this year. it's the growth that's remarkable. 1.38 million in 2010. now that anticipated 3.1
million, that's more than double almost triple showing you the city is relying more and more on the fines and fees. what's very interesting about it is where those fines and fees are coming from. they're coming out of the pockets of people stopped by police. in some cases police were competing with each other to see how many tickets they could give in a single traffic stop or single stop. total arrests. 93% of arrests were african-americans. 88% of cases involving use of police force, african-americans. vehicle stops, 85% african-american. so that's why people are saying this looks like a city policing for profit and targeting african-americans. >> no wonder the citizens are frustrated white and black together. when you think your police department is having a contest for how many tickets they can issue, that's not a good feeling. >> city officials at one point because they were so reliant on this revenue, they were actually encouraging or -- encouraging officers to write 28 tickets a
month. 28 tickets a month. they were disciplined if they didn't. >> thanks so much for explaining the numbers to us. that puts it into a sharper context. let's go over to chris in ferguson. >> reporter: all right, alisyn. obviously, you know writing tickets for profits is a problem. when you're targeting a community, it's an even bigger one. that's why the cries for the dissolution of the police department here in ferguson they're continuing to grow. let's bring in david clinger, author of into the kill zone and tom fuentes. tom, just for a little bit of perspective on these numbers that we're hearing about in the doj report. we are hearing, well look this problem exists in a lot of police work. there is something unique about the numbers, the perception and the supposed motivation for what we saw with this ticketing in this police department don't you think? >> right. and investigators really felt this was excessive, way beyond
what other towns, many towns do that even here in the state of missouri where it's allowed. they have a certain percentage of your income for the department based on fines from traffic and other offenses, but nowhere near the degree that it was found to be the case here. >> reporter: yes, the e-mails are horrible right? yes, we see those in other police departments and other offices, frankly, but when you look at the findings of more arrests, more prosecutions if you're black than if you're white, and every single arrest for resisting arrest was a black person when you start to hear that, that moves beyond just percentage of population doesn't it? >> i think what we need to do we need to understand what the proper benchmark is. looking at just population figures doesn't tell us much. we know a few things from decades of research on the nature of the role that race plays in police interactions and that is that we have to be able to norm for the differentials in crime commission and also who is in the community as opposed to who lives in the community. it could be that there are reasons why these disproportionate numbers exist.
it also could be worse because we don't know who is being stopped based upon who is in the community, who's driving through the community different from who lives in the community. we have to parse the numbers very carefully. it might not be as bad as it looks but it could be worse. we have to take a careful look at it. >> doj went out of the way to say part of the reason for this pattern of conduct was unlawful bias. that tells you what you need to know doesn't it? >> that's their opinion. the way that i would frame it is in a legal situation this is the prosecution's case. let's take a careful look and let's look at the numbers. what does the defense have to say? that's the way that i would frame it. the other thing is that tom mentioned about the use of police to raise revenue. that's what i think is a really highly problematic issue. that goes beyond ferguson to civil asset forfeiture. there are much broader issues we need to grapple with. >> reporter: it's even worse when they do it by targeting a specific community. it's a double bad.
another issue, this investigation. there's a weird dynamic to figuring out who did the shooting of these cops. they want the answer to not come from the group of protesters because they think that will stain the protests. that has this one theory. we don't know if investigators are chasing it as much as the media. these shooters may have been as much as 125 yards away. they think it was a handgun. they found some casings that were handgun casings. in your experience tom and i have been talking about it let's get your fresh take. 125 yards at night, four maybe five rounds two hits on a police officer from that distance. how precise a shot does that have to be? >> doesn't have to be very precise in the sense that you had a bunch of police officers lined up so you've got basically from zero to about six feet and then 100 feet across or whatever basically standing shoulder to shoulder. if the individual was targeting that particular officer and the other particular officer, hell of a shot, to hit two police officers, 50% hit ratio that distance people get lucky. >> lucky twice?
they weren't even next to each other, tom. it wasn't just the phalynx to the phalynx? your witness accounts can put it in this area right here. >> to put it in better perspective, we have 300 million guns among a population of 320 million. we have people shooting. we have white supremist groups we have criminals, gun hobbyists. there are a lot of people that are real good shots and the police know that. they go up against that all the time. that's part of the justification of the mill tarization of the police that we heard so much about. they are frequently outgunned by people with better weapons and better training to use them. >> reporter: and what it creates here well it wasn't a protester. this fs a bad apple. why do you think that's so important? >> i think that what we need to do is wait and see what the evidence shows. and i think that what happens is it's a good example of a
narrative getting ahead of the evidence. let's let the investigation move forward. let's see what the truth is. then we structure the narrative around the truth as opposed to trying to run to a narrative. >> reporter: so what if the shooters were among the protesters? does that mean the protesters were bad? you know you have disparate elements here. >> for my money it doesn't matter. instead of trying to make it a much broader -- someone says committing sociology. want to have this big explanation for why somebody did something. something as simple as we have a person that's a bad actor and they embed themselves with a group or go off by themselves, we don't know. >> reporter: people were running around the group was breaking up there was panic. it will be hard to know. the investigation is so key not just for bringing justice to those two officers who were seriously injured in that, they're saying they don't know if they'll work again even though they got discharged quickly. >> even if the shooters were in the crowd amongst the protesters give the police credit for not returning fire.
>> reporter: sure. >> that took a lot of discipline to have two officers fired and not fire back. >> reporter: strong point. always a pleasure back to you michaela and alisyn. >> it's been great to have you on the ground to give us a perspective of the logistics there. safe travels back. ahead, he is known in the new test a. as the apostle who committed the ultimate betrayal of jesus. we're going to take a closer look at the last gospel of judas. it might actually having thinking otherwise. o get the lady of the house back on her feet. ohhhh. okay veggies you're cool. mayo, corn dogs you are so out of here! ahh... 'cause i'm reworking the menu. keeping her healthy and you on your toes. the complete balanced nutrition of great tasting ensure. 24 vitamins and minerals antioxidants and 9 grams of protein. i see you cupcake. uh oh
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>> he understands what's happening. he's helping jesus. he knows that because of what he has to do he's going to be hated forever. >> challenging our view of judas. was he a villain or a hero. let's bring in april deconac. she is the chair of the religious studies department at rice university and the first person to seriously challenge this interpretation of judas. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> quickly tell us how is it that we have not heard of the gospel of judas? when was it discovered and translated? >> well it was discovered and translated and publicized about 2006 but it's an actual ancient christian gospel that we knew about from a bishop in the second century. he mentions this gospel of judas, but we didn't have a copy until modern times. >> you have done your own research and translation of the script. >> that's right. >> where does your research show
us and how does it show us who judas was? >> well the bishop who mentioned the gospel of judas told us that judas in the text was a hero but now that we have the actual text it calls judas a demon and so really he's not much different than the judas we see in the new testament. >> why do you think there's such a discrepancy? >> between the -- what iranyus tells us and what we have today? >> yes. >> i think that iranyus must have been mistaken or -- whether intentionally or accidentally. >> now does it shine light on why judas would have betrayed jesus or does that still sort of ring true? >> judas in this text betrays jesus because it's part of his fate to do so.
the text very much understands this to be jesus -- judas's destiny. >> why do you think that judas is such a fascinating feature, character in the bible? it's interesting to me. i've spent my time in bible study and sunday school. there's something about this imperfect human that we're drawn to. why is that? >> we are. i think it's the fact that it's a tragedy. for human beings the tragedy is fascinating for us. here you have someone who in christian story is betraying the son of god, somebody that he was close to a disciple of and that is the most tragic story of all. >> it almost humanizes him somewhat doesn't it? >> very much so. very much so. >> where does the debate currently stand on this character of judas today? >> in terms of the gospel of judas, i think now we have
established what the actual text is stating, and so we have now interpretations of judas being made by scholars. most of them now are understanding him in terms of being more of an ambiguous figure having some more negative aspects. the early christians saw him as a demon so that's being discussed now. >> fascinating work theology and fascinating course of study. thank you so much for sharing your insight with us. have a great weekend. be sure to tune in and watch "finding jesus" it airs this sunday 9:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. >> possibly one of our favorite stories coming up michaela. robert downing jr. channelling his inner ironman to help a young boy in need. yes, i said robert downing jr. and there he is. oh, and there's a heartwarming deed also. it's today's "good stuff"
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