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odds picking conduct for the title. jeb bush and carly fiorina chose a swing state to win it all, the university of virginia. what about hillary clinton, her own contest might be around the corner. but as for march madness, she's having none of it. thanks for watching state of the union, i'm gloria borger in washington. "fareed zakaria gps" starts right now. this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world, i'm fareed zakaria. we'll begin the show with benjamin netanyahu's re-election to a fourth term as prime minister of israel. his preelection maneuvers appear to have put him on a collision course with the obama administration. just how bad have things gotten between israel and washington and who is to blame?
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bibi or barack some we have great reporting and a spirited debate. then on wednesday, another foreign leader will address congress. but this one will actually be welcomed at the white house. afghanistan's new president will meet and greet in washington this week but he talked to me first exclusively. >> also give me your tired, your poor your huddled masses. that's when the statue of liberty says? does it not include war torn refugees from other countries? is america turning its back on the most desperate? michael lewis gives a look at what wall street is really up to these days. first here is my take. in an appearance on cbs news "face the nation" before being re-elected as israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu was asked if he was offended that the white house had tweeted one
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of my columns. that column pointed out that for 25 years bibi had been wrong in his predictions about iran's nuclear program. here was the prime minister's response. >> if i had to choose i would retweet thank that relates to iran and that's the supreme lead leader's recent tweet in which he cites nine ways and reasons israel should be destroyed. >> netanyahu is right to draw attention to that threat. but for somewhat different reasons than he implies. now, let me be clear, iran's supreme leader is radical anti-western whose twitter feed is filled with hate and hostilities and means israel only harm but he's also a canny politician that survived in the political system. what's the mental he's sending. the destruction of israel he
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does so by means of a war. quote, we recommend neither a classical war by the army of muslim countries nor to throw migrated jews at sea, unquote. let's throw aside the strange line about not throwing jews at sea, the main quote but iran's best known dissident who was jailed for criticizing. he argues no war against israel certainly not by iran. what does he advocate? a quote, public referendum in which muslims, christians and jews living in the area under israeli jurisdiction would decide on the fate of their government and regime. he recognized greatest for israel legal jurisdiction over 4.5 million people in the west bank and gaza strip who have
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neither a state nor a vote. that condition is virtually unique in the modern world and it cannot last in a democratic society. this is potentially the long run danger that could undo the miracle that is israel and it is a miracle. the country is militarily far more powerful than it has ever been compared to its neighbors. its defense budget is larger than egypt's jordan syria's and lebanon's combined according to stockholm international peace institute. the wall and the iron dome have significantly lessened the threat from hamas and hezbollah. economically israel is booming having become the richest country in a sea of oil rich states. it is a vibrant democracy and dynamic society. as for the iranian nuclear program, which does not yet have a single bomb let's not forget that israel has a large nuclear arsenal, reportedly above 200 weapons, many of them now placed
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on submarines. iran's very sophisticated calculating leaders will surely take the strong deterrent into account even if several years from now they were to somehow build a few nuclear weapons. in a strange way he understand intense power of democracy which is why he shut down the green movement in his own country. he recognizes israel's vulnerability lies in its strength its flourishing democracy. in a generally pluralistic country like israel it's hard to practice noncitizenship towards ords so many. understand israel can respond to military threats but cannot as a democracy, keep control of territories with 4.5 million people against their will. this is why he has chosen as his
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weapon a persistent call for a referendum. i would hope benjamin netanyahu takes this threat to israel seriously and has an answer to it beyond a retweet. for more go to and read my column this week. let get started. you've heard my take on what bibi should do. now turn to what it means for u.s. relations. in other words, how bad is it really and what will it mean u.n. international war crimes tribunal in the middle east and europe. i want to bring in peter barnert. a contributing editor for the atlantic and cnn political
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commentator. peter, it was unusual, a lot of people have noted, for josh ernest the white house spokesman to go out of his way to really denounce bibi netanyahu after his election. >> yes, that's true. the administration is not only ank are you but they are actually in a real cries because there has been a lot of pressure over the last few years in europe and around the world to support palestinian's around the nation to have bid around the u.n. u.s. behind the scenes has been exerting tremendous pressure to try to storm that and their argument has been the past state hood must be negotiated between two parties. once netanyahu said no state as long as i'm prime minister he cut the rug out from under the us. the obama administration doesn't know how they are going to hold off this pressure now. >> what does it mean all the
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united states traditionally defended israel not a member of the court but always used its power to protect israel. >> i don't think united states will support certainly palestinians suing international criminal court. i think they will fight that pretty hard. where you could see a shift, resolution on settlement united states. ed obama administration feels settlements are unpopular in the united states and congress and could get away with any u.s. policy to oppose settlements, get away with not vetoing that. bigger question down the road for later this year does the u.s. get behind some resolution to lay out parameters for final two-state solution. netanyahu will still be very, very unhappy about it but maybe they feel like this is obama's best chance for a legacy. may not be two-state deal on his watch but at least the president who lays out the parameters. >> now, in doing this obama has, of course incensed a lot
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of conservative republicans who think he's betraying israel. but he's also made life difficult for some democrats who rely on a lot of support from the jewish community and has in in ways split the jewish community what does all this mean for hillary clinton as she tries to figure out whether and how she would run for the white house house. >> talking to folks inside the obama administration irng they feel like they have a window in 2015 it's not an election year yet where they could try to move some of these issues even if it meant confrontation with netanyahu or a confrontation on capitol hill. after all, obama is not running. in 2016 they think hillary clinton may position herself to the right of obama. maybe she runs as a person who will heal the relationship from united states and israel. i think they can all handle that. these are grownups there. this is something obama and people care very strongly about. they are not simply going to acquiesce for the last two years
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of his administration. >> what happens to the palestinian authority. what is abbas's strategy from here. >> abbas in a difficult position he's basically bet his career by doing security cooperation with israel there could be a climate where there could be negotiations. the palestinian authority will find it harder to consider that security cooperation with israel if there's no cooperation for palestinian state. also facing a tremendous financial crisis because israel has been withholding tax revenue as a response to the palestinian move at the international criminal court so people think pa could start to collapse. if it did, this would be a huge crisis. israel does not have to directly control west bank because palestinian authority is doing that for them if palestinian would collapse and anarchy on the west bank terrorism would
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probably go way up. israel would have to send soldiers back to patrol those towns. obama administration thinking about that as a pros peb. they wonder whether benjamin netanyahu knows what he's getting himself into. >> peter beinart, glad to have you on. >> now the question is who is to blame, obama, netanyahu, both of them? we'll have a spirited debate between two american democrats with great breadth and depth of experience on israel. netanyahu knows what he's introducing the citi ® double cash card. it earns you cash back
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israel, one who served under democratic presidents one under president. martin envoy for israel-palestinian negotiations until nine months ago. he served twice as president clinton's ambassador to israel. elliot abrams oversaw u.s. middle east policy among other things under president george w. bush serving as deputy national security adviser. elliot let me begin by asking you, was this inevitable give them the divide between president obama and prime minister netanyahu on something as central as israeli peace process. you know are we making too much of the personal dynamics? there really is a profound policy difference here isn't there? >> there is a profound policy difference but it is made much worse by personal difference. it doesn't have to be this bad. people can disagree. obama seems to get along fairly well with a lot of people with whom we have grave differences, putin being one of them better
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than he does with netanyahu who was after all democratically elected leader. i think this is the worst situation we've had for a very long time because of the addition of really terrible personal attitude toward netanyahu. >> martin you dealt with him in his first term when you were advising bill clinton during the oslo process. how much of this is bibi how would you describe netanyahu? what has been the constant? >> i was also a u.s. ambassador to israel when i was prime minister the first time so i spent a lot of time with him. i think over the years, prime minister netanyahu, and i agree with elliot that he is democratically elected. he just won a big victory. over the years he's alienated just about every world leader including israel's closest friends angela merkel is a good example, president sarkozy of france. i think that the irritation
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which has now come to anger is because he tells these leaders that he's the one who is going to make peace. trust him. he will do it. then he goes and does a lot of things that contradict the promise he made to these leaders. most importantly the settlement activity which belies it. there's a sense at a minimum he's unreliable. but then he goes about doing things which cause particular irritation like organizing for himself to speak before a joint session of congress with the republican speaker of the house behind the back of the president of the united states poking president obama in the eye. >> i don't agree with martin laying the responsibility on netanyahu. i think this is partly a left-right thing an partly a matter of a kind of personal hostility in this white house that even if it exists should be
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worked around. what's surprising here is two people don't like each other, that happens in world politics it's that the white house does not work around it it deepens it and, indeed has done so since netanyahu's victory a few days ago. they have gone out of their way to pick fights with him. you remember the president, who called putin the day after his election in 2012 couldn't find time to call netanyahu the day after his democratic election in 2015. >> elliot what is there to work on? you say they should put aside their personal differences and work together. what is there to work on if the prime minister says there is no real deal to be had with the palestinians so there's nothing to do there. on the iran front he wants essentially zero enrichment which is not a deal it seems is conceivable or likely to happen. certainly no other country negotiating with iran thinks it's likely. what would be the agenda be? what ld they talk about?
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>> first of all, israel has close, especially close security relationships with egypt and jordan. both countries are allies of the u.s. and important to us that's a discussion that should be had. secondly i don't think it's right to say there's nothing to be done about israel-palestinian relationships. there's not going to be a final status agreement creating a palestinian state. it wasn't going to be my opinion that herzog won the election either. we saw what happened in 2008 when made quite a generous offer to president abbas but he did not accept it. there's many things that have to happen in the west bank to improve life there, economically politically, in security terms. israelis and palestinians remain next door neighbors and they need to be able to work together. we can help that or we can refuse to help it. i think, you know, when we have tried to help in the obama years, remember that netanyahu was asked to do a ten-month settlement freeze and he did. netanyahu was asked to make
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certain statements and concessions by secretary kerry and he did. then it was president abbas who wouldn't say yes to president obama. so i don't think -- i think frankly, martin you're white washing the obama role here which is personal and quite hostile from the start. i think there's a lot to do in this relationship. the whole region is facing for example, just north of israel, north of the golan heights, israel isis iranian forces, a dang ir to not only israel but jordan. there's a lot on the agenda. >> how would you respond to this point. in netanyahu had done everything obama wanted the palestinians just aren't ready, haven't gotten their act together to make peace between hamas and weak palestinian authority. it seems like a fairly fair -- seems like a fair criticism that at the end of the day palestinians just haven't been
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able to get yet. >> i saw it up close and personal one year ago almost exactly to the day when president obama and secretary kerry presented president abbas with our ideas for bridging the gaps on final status issues and president abbas simply shut down. he didn't answer him. he said he would get back to him and he never got back to him. no question in my mind palestinians have failed to take advantage of the real efforts by secretary kerry and president obama to make the minimum requirements for an independent palestinian state living alongside a security jewish state of israel. but that said prime minister netanyahu didn't help in this process. and the settlement activity that
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was under taken while negotiations were going on did a great deal to hu milliat him in front of his people. that's not to excuse him. that's just to say that both sides didn't help in this process. >> martin indyk, thank you very much for spirited debate. we'll have you on again soon. next on "gps," is america shirking its responsibilities when it comes to the one of the most desperate populations on the planet? i'll explain. ith copd sometimes breathing air can be difficult. if you have copd, ask your doctor about once-daily anoro ellipta. it helps people with copd breathe better for a full 24hours. anoro ellipta is the first fda-approved product containing two long-acting bronchodilators in one inhaler. anoro is not for asthma. anoro contains a type of medicine that increases risk of death in people with asthma.
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. now for our what in the world segment. we think of america as the country that opens its arms to people from around the world. as emma lazarus's poem on the statue of liberty says give me your tired, your poor your huddled masses yearning to breathe free wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send us the homeless to me. if by this we mean refugees from war and other tragedies, well america doesn't send out many invitations. according to u.n., u.s. has
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taken in the equivalent of only .08% of refugees swede at 1% and jordan at 9%. off the roughly 4 million that fled the country, turkey has taken in 1,700,000 refugees. lebanon has taken in 1,200,000. but the united states has taken in 588 as of mid march. that's according to the state department. between 1 and 2,000 expected by october. syrian refugees aren't going away. by the end of 2015 the total number could approach 5 million the u.n. says. >> it's a scale we've never, ever seen before. >> andrew harper leads the u.n.'s response to the crisis in neighboring jordan. we sat down together when i was in that country's capital amman
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recently. more than 600,000 refugees in jordan around 8% of the country's total population. >> we're now seeing syrians representing the largest refugee population in the entire world. >> one of the refugee camps you have here is now the fourth largest city in the country of jordan. >> we try not to refer to cities because we don't want these camps to be permanent because the ultimate hope has to be that they return back. yes, it's the fourth largest urban setting in jordan. >> the refugee camp hosts around 84,000 people. there are hospitals schools serving 18,000 children estimated 2,500 shops in the camp according to the u.n., including tailers, barber shop and even a pizza delivery service. >> what is the profile of the kind of people coming as refugees. >> they want everyone. you have teachers doctors,
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truckdrivers truckdrivers you have students people who represent society. >> jordan has a proud, taking in refugees iraqi, both world wars. as continues, jordan's government is under a lot of financial strain. it had to stop offering free health care to refugees towards the end of last year. >> you've been doing this since -- >> long time. >> twenty thirty years, dealt with arabs after first gulf war. have you ever seen anything like this syrian crisis? >> not to this scale and not to this level of inability of the international community to find a resolution. >> the u.n. and ngos asked for $3.7 billion to deal with the crisis in 2014 but they only got $2.3 billion, a shortfall of 39%. so what should the world do?
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well take in more refugees for one. something the united states does too little of. but second give more support to countries like jordan as they tackle the monumental task of housing, feeding and rehabilitating these people. remember as andrew harper kept emphasizing to me refugees are just like you and me. ordinary people who find themselves dealt with some extraordinarily bad luck. next on "gps," this week another world leader will make an address to the u.s. congress but this one from afghan president ashraf ghani will be welcomed by both parties. i will ask him whether he wants u.s. troops to stay longer in his country when we come back. no sudden movements. google search: bodega beach house.
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this week they will another coming to address congress. ashraf ghani has been president of afghanistan six months and he has a tough task ahead of him stabilizing a country wrecked by more than 30 years of war. meanwhile the clock continues to tick on american troop drawdowns. we are joined from kabul by ashraf ghani, president of afghanistan. mr. president, thank you for being on. >> it's a pleasure to be with you and the american people. >> you have reportedly told the administration senior administration official says you would like flexibility in the timetable of the withdrawal of american troops. right now there are 10,000 troops. in two years they go to zero. what would you like to see. two years from now, how many american troops do you think should still be in afghanistan. >> the decision on the number of american troops is up to the president of the united states and the congress of the united
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states. we're very satisfied with the way the noncombat mission is shaping. but the primary duty of extending afghanistan, securing its future is that of the afghan people afghan soldiers policeman, and that of of the afghan government. >> but mr. president, last year 2014 was the year of the worst casualties for the afghan army and the national police force in the 13-year war. you have almost three dozen, 700 civilians that died. in these circumstances does it make sense for u.s. troops to withdraw on the same schedule. wouldn't you like to see perhaps even more american troops for the time being while the fighting seems to be in full force? >> what we need to realize is that 2014 was a year that we
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faced three transitions simultaneously a political transition where authority for the first time was transferred from one elected president to another, a security transition where the combat of the international commune, particularly that of the united states ended. and third, an economic transition. our enemies were banking on collapse of authority. because of that they challenged us. but what i'm gratified to share is that during the last six months the afghan national security forces have really shown their metal. now we are not in a defensive position, we have taken offensive. >> the you know envoy to afghanistan reported just
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recently to the security council that isis which you call daesh, is actually on the rise in a sense in afghanistan. there are stray insurgents that are affiliating or declaring loyalty to isis. what do we make of that in why is that happening? >> the reason it's happening is because collapse of yemen, syria, iraq has created an environment where instead of one weak link in the interrelated system of states now there are wider spaces. they have it's one of the most well endowed -- well financed organizations and the techniques are spreading. >> mr. president, you asked for flexibility. you asked obama administration to think about delaying withdrawal. how would you react to the
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average american who would say we've been in this war for 13 years. it's lasted a lot longer than world war ii or vietnam, why shouldn't we just get out? >> the first point i'd like to pay tribute to the americans, i believe, 2,215 who paid the ultimate sacrifice. over 20,000 americans that have been wounded. hundreds of thousands of americans men and women have seen combat in afghanistan. they have gotten to know our valleys, our deserts, our mountains. they have stood shoulder to shoulder with us. the result is that america has been secured. thank god. there's been no terrorist attack
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on the united states. we have been the frontline. meanwhile what needs to be underlined is while tragedy brought us together there are common interests that now can be articulated very clearly. the threats that we are facing on a daily basis, were they god forbid to overwhelm us threaten the world at large, the experience of iraq syria, yemen, libya are now examples to draw on and to understand that when a partner that does not believe in unity and good governance and its own responsibility is not in place, things fall apart.
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>> ashraf ghani, president of afghanistan, thank you very much sir. next michael lewis, written many best sellers on many topics but wall street was his first muse and it's a topic he keeps coming back to. what do we need to understand about how wall street has changed and hasn't changed in the last years. from pharmaceuticals to 3d prototyping, biotech to clean energy. whether your business is moving, expanding or just getting started... only new york offers you zero taxes for 10 years with startup ny business incubators that partner companies with universities, and venture capital funding for high growth industries. see how new york can grow your business and create jobs. visit if you're taking multiple medications does your mouth often feel dry? a dry mouth can be a side effect of many medications. but it can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath. that's why there's biotene available as an oral rinse toothpaste, spray or gel. biotene can provide soothing relief
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last week's stress test of america's biggest bank were a reminder the reform of the banking sector remains an important and ongoing project. some of the biggest names in banking like the bank of america are struggling to meet the new standards. after the crisis of 2007 and '8 we were all sure that banking would not be the same again. but has it changed? and if so how? i decided to ask someone who has observed and written about wall street for 25 years. michael lewis's seminal 1989
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book liar's poker was for many people a primer on what went on inside those once hallowed walls of wall street banks. he wrote the book after a three-year stint at soloman brothers. last year he published "flash boys" who helped us all understand what wall street is up to these days. i asked him to come in and give us his own update. you were still part of a wall street where the stuff that was happening, the action was human relationships and people and now it's computer. >> moving that way. markets becoming automated, light speed. people program the machine. so it's the person running logic, creating rules for how this thing is going to trade. yes, wall street in "liar's poker" is still wall street shouting in telephones at
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people. it's getting complicated but still comprehensible. that's one thing, how much harder it's gotton explain. it was a bit of a struggle to explain what a mortgage bond was, that was a new thing. but collateralized debt obligation or high frequency trading program is so much harder. >> there seems to me there's two sort of different trends here. on the one hand technology is disintermediatiating people in the middle that collect fees wall street. technology in a sense, almost getting rid of wall street. >> correct. >> on the other hand it's creating so much complexity and opacity you need some gatekeepers and maybe that's where wall street reinserts itself. >> i put eight different way. i agree with you totally. technology creating a world much of what wall street is supposed to do bring buyers and sellers lenders and borrowers, the function is going to be -- it's
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not going to be necessary. so you're looking at an industry that's figuring out how to preserve revenues where old revenue sources have dried up. one of the ways they do it creating unnecessary intermediatiation in the automated markets. so i think that's something to watch. wrote a book about this in the stock market. i think it's going to happen in the other markets, too. it's not that it's a less legitimate function. i think you talk to people on wall street now, big firms, it's not exactly despair. there's a sense of having lost their way a bit. the purpose of the institution is not as clear as it was when i was in one of them. >> do you think young people still flock to wall street in the way that you did? you're an art history major. >> they do. they do. there have been blips in the last 30 years. it's amazing what happened in the 1980s. what happened in the 1980s is
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the kind of young person who went to wall street changed. went from being the person in the bottom of their class at yale to the top. the person at the top of the class can cause a lot more trouble than the person at the top of the class at yale. they became to draw more and more really tal ended and smart people. the draw is you won. there are real barriers to entry. after a year or two, you can be an important person in the financial market. that's very appealing. if you don't -- if you're 20 years old and consumed with anxiety about what you're going to do in this world, wall street gives you a very easy answer. the money becomes justification. i'm making a lot of money is what i'm doing. so a draw for a particular kind of person. very bright without particular ambition. don't want to necessarily change the world. the change the world types go to silicon valley or go into teaching or other things. science, artists, write books.
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the i don't want to change the world just want to be a success type go to wall street. >> do you think the kind of social millieu you describe in "liar's poker" very male kind of frat boyish. >> much more nuanced. so the social world in "liar's poker" there were strippers on top of the desk every week and nobody thought anything about it. gambling on the trading floor, vulgarity. that became unacceptable after "liar's poker" came out. firms became more corporate and sensitive to public images and wanted to be at least seen as if they were open to women coming in and working at them. they have taken -- there are many more women actually in the lasses. if you look more closely, you see a couple of funny things. one, women are kept largely separate from risk taking decisions. they are not -- women are not heavily represented in the big
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gambling operations. the hedge fund the big trading jobs on the trading desk. so that's one thing. the other thing, i couldn't help but notice after the financial crisis women ascend to positions that are sufficiently senior they can be plausibly blamed when things go wrong. so you have, you know it was amazing every institution seem to have a woman that had her head lopped off in the financial crisis. they were disproportionately whacked and they had very little to do wit. it doesn't feel like a fair environment for women. it doesn't feel that way. but on the surface it looks fair. >> if you came out of princeton today, art history major, didn't know what you wanted to do what do you think you would do? >> i think i would probably go right to writing without the material. i couldn't get a job on wall street. the way i got in even then was i sat next -- at a dinner party next to the wife of a man who
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ran soloman brothers internationally and he was scared of her and she said hire him and he hired me. i don't think that would happen anymore. i knew i wanted to write when i got out of college. i just didn't know what i wanted to write about. wall street gave me my first material and it was incredibly rich and got me set in a trajectory of my career. i think i would have had to do it a different way. >> we wouldn't have "liar's book". >> maybe something deeper ripper maybe about religion. >> michael lewis, pleasure to have you on. next on "gps," what country imports more arms than any other in the world? the answer might surprise you. we will tell you, of course, when we come back.
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earlier this week, prince charles and kamilcamila the duchess of cornwall visited the white house. charles is of course the heir apparent to the thrown next in line to british monarchy. it brings me to my question of the week. who was the first british monarch to visit that nation's former colony that is the united states? george v, edward viii george vi
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or elizabeth ii. stay with us we'll give you the answer. last month was ides of march, caesar murdered in the roman forum. this is a history of that episode, the death of caesar the story of history's most famous assassination. the author professor at cornell knows his stuff but he presents the story in simple proceedsse. there's too much set up. stay with it for 50 pages then it turns into fascinating murder mystery with nice twists and turns and sheds light on one of history's great tragedies, the fall of the roman republic. now for the last look. worldwide defense market reached $64 billion in 2014. that's according to ihs globally defense report published this month. who do you think is the world's biggest arms importer russia, china, india, the united states?
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it turns out saudi arabia overtook india as the world's top importer of arms in 2014. it may be surprising to see saudi arabia at the top of the list or to learn that the kingdom will single handedly account for one out of every $7 spent on defense imports in 2015 but if you look at a map you can understand why. tensions throughout the middle east fears of nuclear iran isis antics in saudis backyard are schurrle behind the increase. india was second biggest importer last year and china was the third. the small country of the united arab emirates was the fourth largest weapons importer in the world followed by 'toine. defense mark rose last year perhaps everyone is feeling tense. the correct answer to our "gps" challenge question was,c, in 1939 king george vi visited washington, d.c. and hyde park, new york at the invitation of
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president franklin delano roosevelt. they took insights and even a picnic where the king and king were served hot dogs. thanks to all for being part of my program this week. i'll see you next week. the agency that protects the presidents and some of the biggest news outlets in the country. it started with this headline in "the washington post." secret service investigated for late night car accident at the white house.