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preparing to make the very difficult trek to the scene where a german passenger plane crashed earlier this morning with at least 150 people onboard. some of the searchers may have to actually ski to the crash site to access the remote area and snowy terrain. the germanwings airlines jet was headed from barcelona, spain, to dusseldorf, germany, when something clearly went wrong. we're told about 45 minutes into the flight. the airline ceo said a short time ago that the airbus went into a steep descent for about eight minutes before crashing. they do not believe anyone survived the crash. this is a tragedy now that is hitting several nations. most of the passengers onboard are believed to have been from germany, spain and turkey. let's begin our coverage this hour with jim bittermann who has the latest from paris. what the do we know? >> reporter: there are a lot of crash investigators headed
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toward the crash scene which is high up in the alps and the crash site is believed to be around 6,000 feet where the plane actually hit the ground. as a consequence, it's difficult for searchers to get in there. it's about 20 degrees fahrenheit and temperatures will drop this evening and it's already started raining and there will be snow up there. that's going to be adding to the difficulty because of the fact that the searchers, people searching to retrieve bodies but also people involved in crash investigations will have to be operating in snowy, windy and rainy conditions in very low temperatures. they are almost certainly going to have to hike in because of the fact the helicopter access is not even that good. they can get helicopters to fly over the scene and there have been a couple helicopters that have done that. however, they are having
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difficulty landing close to the crash site. it's a difficult situation for those trying to investigate the crash further and also to bring back the bodies. they have established a temporary morgue in a small town about 10 kilometers away, 6 miles away from the crash site, that's where bodies will be taken when they begin to recover them. >> put this in perspective for us. if all of this is confirmed and numbers stand or climb, this will be the deadly crash in france in some 30 years. >> reporter: that's correct. the concord crash in 2000 that killed 113 people and moment of the germans, german tourists taking a leisure flight. there's a great deal of emotion
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here. we had another air crash last week with two helicopters that went down carrying three very famous french sports figures and a reality tv crew went down with it. a series of tragedies here that are hitting this country and in addition to everything else, we had the king of spain here on a previously scheduled coincidental visit. it was supposed to be a visit full of pomp and circumstance. all decked out with spanish flags and that sort of thing. it's been cut short. the visit was cut short and the spanish king went over to the crisis center and tried to get the latest information there. it's been a real turn of events here and emotional ride i would say. >> a really tragic coincidence that the king of spain was there at the time. jim covering the details for us. jim, thank you so much. >> want to dig deeper into the flight path of germanwings
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flight 9525. let's bring in chad myers, our meteorologist here. lay out the direction the flight was going and what particular challenges it might have been facing. >> what you will notice on my map, john, is if you leave from barcelona and fly right to dusseldorf. people think you fly in a straight line but you don't. there are highways in the sky that planes have to follow. the plane was already over here over the alps. you think why on earth would you fly over the mountains if you didn't have to here. this is the way it went yesterday. a perfectly smooth flight up to 38,000 feet right over the mountains. you can fly over mountains if you're that high and not get any turbulence whatsoever. the problem is right here. right when it was crossing over from the mediterranean back on to land near marseille. if pilots knew there was an emergency going on, right there is land. why would they not make a left-hand turn and go to
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marseille. the plane continued to fly 100 miles before it impacted the ground. let me show you what the ground looks like. this is the plane's path. there's marseille. if the problem was there, they probably didn't know there was a problem until they continued up here on farther up into this location. eventually the plane's lack of altitude and mountains coming up got together right at about 6,000 feet. eventually they were much higher alps here 10,000 feet to the north of that but the plane was lower than that. down through here, this is 1,000 to 3,000 feet. rolling hills of french plains. when you get right up through here almost like colorado front range. i grew up in nebraska. you drive for 60 miles and you can see the mountains and you think you are almost to denver and everything comes straight up out of valleys and this is where the plane ended up somewhere in here. we don't have the exact location
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yet. we know that it's along this ridge line. >> chad, any weather in the area that might have played a factor? >> that's a good question. earlier we thought probably not. i noticed this elevation here. this is 30,000 feet. this is where the plane could have leveled off and continued to fly. it didn't. it slowed down a little bit. when you get bumps all of a sudden the pilot will slow it down a little bit because of the bumps. was there turbulence that pilot asked to go to 38,000 feet instead? other than i don't see thunderstorms that could have been that high. a few in the area. there could still be something. we'll find the black boxes. they are painted orange but we'll know everything when they find the boxes. unlike mh-370 where we still don't know what happened. this one we'll put together quickly. >> let's continue this discussion, john. the trouble as we're now learning seems to have occurred
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mid flight on an aircraft with a solid safety record, one that had a routine safety check yesterday according to the airline, and the captain on the flight had more than ten years experience with lufthansa. >> the question is what could have gone wrong with this flight to cause the steep descent? let's bring in mary schiavo? is it this rapid descent of 14,000 feet in six to eight minutes? >> that's the most important data point and probably the most important correction is that there was no may day call. we wondered why would it descend into the alps into an area where they start to rise as chad said with a may day call. if you knew you had a problem, turn back to nice or other
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airports in the area. without a may day call, i thought that was a very important development that french air traffic control said it was they who tried to contact this aircraft as they should because the aircraft was descending for six minutes leaving the flight assigned flight level. it was leaving that level. air traffic control should have been trying to talk to them. why are you desecending without permission. pilots didn't have time to communicate or they were not able or didn't realize they were descending. in airfrance 447, they didn't realize how fast they were descending. we already heard from german authorities from this airline saying they did make those fixes to the angle of attack
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indicators. that's been an issue in the past. they said this plane got those repairs. >> so put it into perspective on this issue of the steep descent. it happened for six to eight minutes. how fast is that? put that in perspective? is that an emergency descent from your perspective? >> it's a fast descent from that altitude. your rates of descent or rates of climb depend on where you are. if you're at a high altitude, you have to do that more slowly than at other altitudes. at 33,500 feet is outside the recommended descent but not steep enough to give that aircraft structural damage. you wouldn't have a descent where pieces of the plane were coming off for example. it's a rapid descent and one passengers would notice.
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so whatever was causing that to do it, it was rapid. if pilots instructed the plane to do that -- which i have a difficult time believing. they were headed into the alps. a report in london that they found it at 8,800 feet. it's difficult for me to believe the pilot would do that intentionally. >> a little information from the area right there. a mountain guide has been speaking to cnn said he heard a flight, a plane at a low altitude over him, which is very rare in that remote region. he said the area completely inaccessible by ground. you would need to have helicopters to access it by air and this man tells us he has seen several helicopters flying overhead. i'm talking about the alps where the plane went down. i want to ask you about some maintenance issues with the a-320. faa sent around what they call an air worthiness directive about some issues of corrosion having to do with the wings. could that be an area of concern
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here? >> it's an area of concern. they will pore over these warnings. we do have an accident where it's rare to lose a piece of structural part of the plane. people might remember the air disaster down in miami about eight or ten years ago and in that case there was structural corrosion on the wing. that plane was 53 years old. the wing tore off after takeoff. the fuel caught fire. explosion that went straight down. this is not the kind of path that losing a structural member would make. descending for six minutes in a straight line is not loss of a structural member but corrosion could have caused other problem, a leak of fuel, fire, whatever. in that situation the pilot would have time to get a may day
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call off. he would tell air traffic control what's going on. and there's just no -- now it's been corrected that that didn't happen. there was a pilot flying in the area. these are reports out of london. there was a private pilot flying in the area. he said visibility was pretty good. presumably pilots would have been able to see that they were in mountainous terrain even if they didn't have the ability to get visual reference from the instruments. if the pitot tubes were blocked and they couldn't tell altitude and it was falling, they should have been able to see it according to a private pilot that was flying. >> i was just going to say when you put it all together, that's why you are left with scratching your head especially early on. a pilot with a lot of experience. a good safety track record for this flight. it leaves you to wonder something had to have gone drastically wrong on that flight because obviously it ended tragically. >> exactly.
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leaving the pilots unable to change the course of the flight. i suspect, whether from a mechanical reason or pilot inkpi >> more questions about this plane crash. a look at where it went down and how this treacherous terrain will make it very difficult for searchers, rescuers to reach it any time soon. ♪ turn around
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think about what it's like if you were to go to denver and hike around the foothills of the rockies there, that's what you're getting. a strain on all people trying to reach the location and strain on getting out with everything. it will be a tremendous amount of work. overriding all of it right now, john, is the urgency to get in there and get flight data and voice recorder because that's what will explain what actually happened to this plane because we know now it was in good repair based on an engineering check yesterday. we know that it had a skilled and experienced pilot onboard. we know it wasn't particularly old for an aircraft of this time. they have to get to that wreckage despite challenges to figure out what really went wrong in those final moments. >> a mountain guide in the area telling us there was cloud formation coming in making it harder and only way to access it by air right now. there are a lot of questions about air speed. the pitot tubes. the devices that measure air speed and whether or not they
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may have been functioning properly because there have been questions about that in the past. >> there have been. pitot tubes are located -- you'll see them on planes as you get onboard. you can see them down here. that's what a pitot tube looks like. they are heated so they won't freeze over. when that happens, this measures how fast you are moving through the air. when that happens, the pilots are not so sure how fast they are moving and that can change many things. mary has been talking today about angle of attack. the truth is pilots have to rely on instrumentation to tell them if they are angled up or if they're angled down, what speed they're traveling. as mary noted, you get close to the mountains and you would think someone would be able to look and see it then. if they believe that they are well up above that until that critical moment, maybe they just don't know. all of that, i must say -- angle of attack, what it affects is
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the airflow over the wing and the airflow over the wing is the thing that makes a plane like this fly. if the airflow gets separated from the wing because angle of attack becomes too severe or you get too slow or something like that, there's a serious problem and there's no recovering from that as a general rule. it can be done but only by an experienced pilot. that's why pitot tubes matter. if there was something wrong with them and there were problems in the past, it could give a false reading to the cockpit. we don't know that's what happened now but that's why they have to get to wreckage to find the evidence. >> one of the first questions that we'll be asking here. tom foreman, thanks so much. kate? >> ahead for us "at this hour," more details are coming in about the plane's final minutes. what could it tell us about why it went down? we'll talk to a commercial airline pilot coming up next.
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to this and we want to get your take on what we know and don't know and what questions you have. as we understand it, mid flight is known as the safer portion of any flight. we're looking into it and the faa says just under 16% of crashes occur during the cruise portion, if you will, and though we're told the flight dropped maybe 14,000 feet then, in six to eight minutes. take us inside what would be going on in the cockpit at that time with that steep descent? >> well, that steep descent would indicate that if the pilots were in control of the airplane responding to some sort of emergency and following a checklist possibly even executing an emergency descent, which would ordinarily follow a depressurization of the airplane. the idea there is to get the airplane to a lower altitude where passengers can breathe the air, which at high altitude you can't really breathe air. oxygen masks would have dropped
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and the flight would have descended to a breathable altitude below 14,000 feet. now, if that's the case pilots were executing an emergency descent, then they would stay on the track that they had been programming the flight to follow. the flight plan. if the airplane was not under the pilot's control or if the airplane was out of control, it probably would have veered off of the intended flight path. so it remains to be seen where the impact site is in relation to the program flight track of the plane. if it's along that track, i would have an idea that it might have tried to execute some sort of an emergency descent to lower altitude and continue flying to find an alternate airport to land at. >> i have a graphic that might illustrate the point you're making. it shows the altitude and also the air speed. the blue line is altitude. red line is air speed. what you see on that blue line is that rapid descent but it's steady. it doesn't go back and forth and
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back and forth. a steady descent of some 14,000 feet in those six to eight minutes and air speed maintaining a relative consistency there as well. you suggested that it indicates the pilot may have been attempting to do something and may have been attempting some kind of emergency landing, pressurization could be one issue. what else could cause or lead a pilot to try something like that? >> a smoke event would also cause the pilots to probably try to make an emergency descent as well. because then the air in the cabin becomes uninhabitable so you try to reduce pressurization differential between the outside of the airplane and the inside of the airplane so that you can get the smoke evacuated from the cabin and make it safer to breathe. >> now, keith, flying through the french alps and finding a place to land anywhere in there if the pilots have control, that's an important point, seems very dangerous even to the
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laymen. what is the captain, the flight crew, considering if they are in this emergency situation and you are over the french alps. what are you looking for? >> well, the first job is to get the airplane to an altitude. a trick in the alps is the terrain is high. you try to descend to a lower altitude to breathe better but you have terrain considerations as well. you can descend but not too low or you'll have a terrain issue. so that could be the problem. once you have the airplane under control and you have an idea of how you're going to handle the pressurization issue or the oxygen issue, your second task is then to find suitable airport to land at. they may have been so preoccupied with handling their emergency that choice of a suitable landing site might have been beyond their grasp at that
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point. >> we always hear that if you're a pilot in a tough situation, the order of business is aviate, navigate, communicate. if we're talking about a six to eight-minute descent, is that a long time to not talk to ground control and say, hey, guys, there's something going on here? >> it is kind of a long time to not announce your intentions. normally even if you are on an oxygen mask in depressurized plane or plane filled with smoke, you're going to transmit on the radio and you can send transponder to the emergency code that air traffic control would pick up. and you would still be able to communicate with the outside world. if they are overcome in some fashion either pressurization increased to high or weren't able to get oxygen masks on or overcome by smoke, they may not have been able to respond. if the airplane was in a controlled descent and constant air speed, it seems like they
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were in control for at least a portion of that. if the airplane was not under their control like i mentioned earlier, they would have veered off course and the speed would have increased above the structural limits of the airplane if it was in a very steep descent, which it doesn't seem like it was in a completely out of control very steep descent. seems like it was somewhat controlled to me. >> first things first, you have data points and you need to get searchers on the ground to actually look for the crash site and see what they find as families await word in many nations at this point. thank you so much for bringing that perspective to us. we appreciate it. coming up fours "at this hour," we'll continue to follow this breaking news out of france. a plane crashes landing at least 150 people dead in the french alps. we'll go live then to the airport in barcelona, spain, where grieving families of some of the passengers are gathering.
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our breaking news, searchers are in the french alps trying to reach the remote scene of a german airlines crash. germanwings is owned by lufthansa. its flight from barcelona in spain to dusseldorf in germany. it went down earlier this morning in the alps. >> at least 150 people were onboard. all of them feared dead. families now in several european nations await word about the fate of their loved ones. french authorities are telling reuters news agency that it could take days to recover all of the victims because of the rugged terrain that they are up against.
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karl penhaul is in barcelona where the flight took off and jim bittermann is in paris. jim, let's begin with you. what's the latest on the search? what are you hearing from french authorities? >> reporter: the french interior minister just arrived in the area in the last hour and he took a flight over the crash area and one of the people onboard his helicopter was a french deputy, a member of parliament. he described the crash scene as covering about four acres of area very mountainous terrain. he said it would be very difficult for the searchers to get in there. they'll have to go in by foot. he said that there was no skien of life at the scene at all and he said that the debris was scattered everywhere. he said it was just small pieces of debris. it's going to be also complicated for the searchers because of the weather down there. there's a front moving through in the next few hours and the temperatures, which are right now below freezing, expected to drop even further.
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there's rain falling. could turn into snow and that is going to also complicate things and could cover the remains of the people who were killed in the crash as well as for the investigators who would be looking for black boxes it could make the search for the black boxes more difficult as they try to work in this rather hostile sort of terrain. >> of course that search so important to those who have family members onboard that flight. we understand most of the passengers were german, spanish, turks also onboard. let's go to barcelona and the airport there. karl penhaul, i imagine there are many family members there asking a lot of questions hoping for any new information. >> absolutely, john. a crisis center has been set up now at terminal 2 at barcelona's international airport and as minutes and hours go by, i have seen groups of family members arrive there. the ones i have seen have been spanish speaking relatives. they've been hugging one another. many of them crying as they go
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through a set of automatic barriers to a private area where that crisis center has been set up. now, in addition to aviation authorities and airline representatives, there are also medics and psychologists in that crisis center as well. they'll be looking after the family members as more information has been passed to them. as we know right now from germanwings, the airline company part of lufthansa, they say that they believe at least 67 germans were onboard. we're also hearing from city hall officials in the german town of hulton that 16 students from that town have bn booked on this flight. we don't know whether they boarded the flight but there is a chance that 16 exchange students from germany may have boarded that flight as well. we don't know anything about the other passengers in terms of how many other nationalities were onboard. bear in mind that barcelona is a
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cosmopolitan city. some come for weekend breaks. barcelona is also an access point to the beach area of spain. a lot of northern europeans head here to get some winter sun. as time goes on, we hope from the airline authorities to get more information about the breakdown of the passengers, nationalities and really what they've been doing in this area of spain. >> 150 souls onboard. karl penhaul, jim bittermann, thanks so much. >> interesting information coming out right there from jim bittermann. we want to point out quick first that there are ways you can help when tragedy strikes. logon to cnn.com/impact and right now there's a hotline for families of passengers to call for information but i do want to draw the attention to our viewers just one more time to some of the information that jim bittermann was getting from french authorities. he said french authorities were able to fly over the scene and what they saw according to one
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person is the crash site covered about four acres. jim saying the debris was just everywhere. there's no sign of life from what they can see and that because of the difficulty terrain as we've been discussing, investigators, searchers, will have to go in foot complicated by the fact that difficult weather is moving into the area as we speak. it's already at freezing temperatures which is going to complicate things only further. just want to make sure we bring all of the latest to our viewers. there's a lot of this that's fluid and a lot of information coming in from all of our reporters on the ground right now. >> no doubt. there's a mountain guide on the scene there near the crash site who says he heard the plane go down. he describes the sound he heard and also described the incredibly difficult conditions kate was just talking about. no way to get there via ground. you need helicopters you're look
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search crews are flying over the french alps as we speak looking for debris from that downed german airliner. a germanwings airbus crashed with at least 150 people onboard. authorities say at this point it is very unlikely that anyone has survived. most of the passengers, we're told, were from spain, germany and turkey. trying to get updates on that front. the flight crashed 45 minutes after takeoff going from barcelona on its way to dusseldorf, germany. holly, you had a really fascinating interview with someone who knows that area so well where it's believed this
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plane went down. a local mountain guide in the french alps. what did he tell you? >> he basically described the terrain. he said the reported crash site would be inaccessible to emergency vehicles and the only way to get there would be to chopper rescue officials and rescue workers in. this complicates the situation quite a bit because he said that low cloud formation is sort of enveloping that mountainous area where we believe the plane went down. he has eyes on choppers he was telling me a few minutes ago that are military helicopters, police helicopters, fire department helicopters as well. he said he witnessed at least a dozen of them. he said that shortly before the reported time of the crash that you heard a plane fly at very low altitude and this was unusual in the part of france that he operates in. he's a mountain guide. very familiar with this terrain. he was telling me that it's not very far from nice. people familiar with the
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geography of france, nice is in the south of france and this is about 80 kilometers. this is the first mountainous plateau in france. this is an area that it's not very far from a highly populated big city like nice, it's very difficult to access on foot and it is virtually impossible to get there with any kind of ground vehicle. you would have to fly in. >> it's so interesting. there's no suggestion at this point, of course, this early on that weather was a factor in what happened with the crash. what more did the guide say? was it bad at the time or just about to become challenging weather conditions from the searchers? >> from everything we're hearing it wasn't bad at the time but it was getting worse and it was corporal ka complicating the rescue efforts when it comes to choppers and
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helicopte r search teams to fly in. they don't want to put the crew in danger. also he added that tomorrow's weather forecast is bad. you can imagine that just today and in a few hours it will get dark and tomorrow if weather conditions aren't favorable, it will make it all the more complicated to reach the crash site and retrieve any bodies because from high level officials to the president of france, it seems as though they are indicating that there are no survivors. i also wanted to add that the president of the region where the plane went down was quoted as saying no piece of debris of this plane is larger than a car. the plane disintegrated. he's on his way to the site. we're trying to get in touch with him as well. >> we heard from jim bittermann from paris who said french authorities had flown over the site saying that debris was everywhere and covered an area of some four acres but with all of that information that you can see from the air, it's getting there on foot that seems as
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our breaking news, the crash of a german passenger plane in the french alps. at least 150 people were on board that flight, all are believed to be lost. want to bring in cnn aviation correspondent rene marsh. questions about the aircraft, about the pilot. what now do we know? >> reporter: let's do a quick fact check. there were 144 passengers on board, six crew. we also know now that the airliner was delivered to
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lufthansa which owns this aircraft in 1991. that makes it about 24 years old. it's an older aircraft. but the age at this point not raising any red flags. we also know that the last routine maintenance check happened just yesterday. the last big check which is routinely done, that happened in the summer of 2013. as far as who was at the controls, we know that the captain of this aircraft, he flew with lufthansa and germanwings for over ten years. so this was an experienced pilot. as far as the path, here's what we know today as it relates to this aircraft. we know that it went down without the pilot's communicating with air traffic control. so this aircraft, it took off, it climbed to 38,000 feet. this is all based on flight tracking websites. and it was at about 38,000 feet, which is cruising altitude. usually the safest portion of flight, for roughly a minute.
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and that is when the mraern started th plane started this descent. it wasn't a dramatic descent . t we know the distress call did not come from the pilots, however, aircraft traffic control aren't able to reach the pilots on the radio. they are the ones that sounded the alarm that something was wrong. i just got off the phone, john, with the french equivalent of the ntsb. they are leading this investigation. and i'm told that investigators will be at the crash site tonight. as far as the ntsb goes here in the united states, they are watching this very closely. they will help if they're asked. but at this point, no indication that the ntsb has been asked for assistance, john. >> and at this point, we are told the crash area is about four acres in the french alps. and hala gorani just reported she heard from a witness that no piece of debris is bigger than about the size of a car.
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so when the searchers get there this evening, that is what they will face. rene marsh, thanks so much for being with us. ahead for us, we'll be keeping a close eye on this breaking news, germanwings flight crashing in the french alps. all 150 on board feared dead and big challenges as john's laying out for emergency crews to even get to the crash site. but also this is ahead for us, friends spying on friends. a new report that israel spied on closed-door iran nuclear talks and accusations as officials shared inside information with members of congress. that's next.
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new details on explosive allegations that israel spied on u.s. nuclear talks with iran and then shared some inside information with members of congress. that's all according to "the wall street journal." >> "the journal" quotes an unnamed senior white house official saying it is one thing for the u.s. and israel to spy on each other. it's another thing for israel to steal u.s. secrets and play them back to u.s. legislators to undermine u.s. diplomacy. they're angry. israel is denying these allegations. oren lieberman is with us live now in jerusalem. oren? >> reporter: kate and john, very strong words from the prime minister's office here denying these allegations saying their
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patently, categorically untrue. there are two parts to these allegations. "the wall street journal" found intel on the negotiations and then that israel used that intel against the white house, fed it to members of congress to try to have them sort of get in the way or stand against the negotiations. israel again denying the first part of that, the allegation that israel ever spies on its allies. at the same time, we know that benjamin netanyahu, whose office believes he has inside information on what's being said inside these negotiations. their understanding isn't guesswork. they believe they had inside intel. what we've also seen is a shift in how the administration here, the prime minister's office is dealing with these negotiations. it used to be that their effort was focused on the white house. now we're seeing netanyahu focus his efforts more on congress, the speech before congress would be the culmination of that. but he's also appealing to his
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republican friends, especially house speaker john boehner. the lasting impact of this may be the strain on relations and that's the big question here. how bad have relations gotten and how much worse will they get with these latest allegations? we've heard the relations are at an all-time low between the u.s. and israel. still they have found a way apparently to get worse. >> an official is quoted in "the wall street journal" as saying, these things leave scars. also i thought interesting to point out that the united states, according to "the wall street journal," learned about this operation, if you will, by spying itself on israel. >> reporter: the prime minister's office here won't say anything about the spying aspect of that. but we know israel believes it has intelligence. certainly the u.s. has information and there have been reports of sharing information. but it's all the strain on the relations here between these two leaders and it's not getting any
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better. house speaker boehner here would be another volley essentially against the white house. >> oren, thanks so much. thanks so much for joining us "@this hour." >> great to see you all. "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now. good afternoon, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. this is "legal view." our breaking news is a flood of brand-new images and some new information as well from the crash of a german airliner in the alps of southern france. the airline germanwings now says its airbus a320 was at cruising altitude a mere one minute before it started falling. flight 95 a 25 was en route from barcelona to dusseldorf with at least 150 people on board, including babies. also including high school students.

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