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you can catch "finding jesus" this sunday right here at 9:00 on cnn. thank you so much for joining us that's it for us. "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now. hello. everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." we begin this hour with breaking news. it comes in the war against isis. federal investigators charging yet another american with trying to join the terror group. this time, a woman from philadelphia. her arrest is coming on the heels of three terror arrests just yesterday, two women charged in new york for plotting a pressure cooker bomb-styled attack. and a 29-year-old american who was detained in pakistan and secretly flown to new york to face a federal judge for, again, plotting to attack americans abroad. joining me now to discuss these
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developments, our alexandra field, and paul cruickshank will join us soon alexandra, i don't even remember half the cases i've reported on that seem so similar. what's the story behind the philadelphia woman? >> it shows this wide net cast to try to prevent attacks that could be imminent or people who want to suggest they might be capable of doing something. >> did she do anything imminent? >> she tweeted. then she took steps like getting a passport and getting a visa to go to turkey and making plans to fly to spain. that coupled with her tweets was enough for authorities to try to charge her. she went by young lioness. she had a history of these tweets on twitter. she voiced her support for isis and expressed her intention to want to join the fight. she'd made contact with an isis fighter in syria.
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they had talked about whether or not she was ready to join the mar dtyr martyrdom. and she wrote back and said, a girl can only dream. >> the girl who thinks she can only dream is doing so with an electronic digital trail? >> yes. she's made some contact with a fighter over there and decides the best course of action, get the passport, get the turk visa and make her way into syria. could she have pulled it off? we have no idea. we're hearing about these plots all the time. but authorities have been watching her. >> any idea how long they had an eye on her? >> the tweeting started in 2013. that appears to be the red flag. they've had eyes on her for some time. she planned to fly out on march 29th. >> let me bring in paul cruickshank on this one.
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this seems to be classic blueprint dumb-dumb because a lot of the things we're reporting on seem to have the same issues. they have their fantasies, for lack of a better word, and then they articulate them on the internet or in e-mail or some other stupid form. and thank god they're as stupid as they are. >> ashleigh, that's absolutely right. we've seen a string of cases now not only in the united states but also here in europe where these wannabe jihadis are identified by security services, by law enforcement from their social media postings, by the sort of things they're putting on twitter. and in the united states, the fbi and other law enforcement agencies are increasingly using cyber informants, agents and informants trawling social media, looking for warning signs from these young radicals and starting investigations. a lot of these investigations
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being triggered by what people are posting on social media. >> let's talk about the fact that, sure, these ones might have been dumb enough to do that. but there may be plenty others out there who are not so unsophisticated. what kind of tools exist in the arsenal of fbi officers who are trying to track the ones who are more surreptitious about their evil deeds? >> it's very difficult if they don't have these online connections because then they're waiting for tips from the muslim community perhaps. perhaps from parents that see worrying signs that their kids are being radicalized. but for a lot of these lone wolfs, they don't have pre-existing ties to organized terrorist groups so you don't have those communications overseas or that travel overseas. and there's a lot of growing concern in the united states just because of the sheer number of americans getting involved in these cases. almost 30 americans now charged
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for material support for isis. some kind of attack is going to get through. >> unbelievable. well, maybe not when you read what these people are talking about. ms. thomas is facing a possible sentence if she's convicted of the crimes she's facing of 15 years, up to 15 years in prison. these are attempted provision of material support which is intriguing. alexandra and paul, thank you for your work. coming up next, it was battered, burned and buried but they found it. the second black box from that crash in the alps. and what was on it confirms perhaps most people's worst fears and then some. we'll tell you what they found. you know i tried one of those bargain paper towels, but i had to use so many sheets per spill... the roll just disappeared. i knew i should've bought bounty.
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. just one day after a french policewoman was dig ig and found that flight data recorder in the earth, the data record from germanwings flight 9525, investigators say they have more proof now more than ever that andreas lubitz crashed this plane on purpose. and they got even more detail than just that fact. these are commonly called black boxes. and this one really this time was. it was burned to the point of being black. originally it was orange. but that full-speed impact into the southern french alps produced what you are seeing on your screen. and speaking of speed, this really is the newest revelation because it appears from the data recovered from that black box that the depressed and desperate
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co-pilot not only programmed the autopilot to descend to 100 feet, but several times he sped up the plane and made the descent faster. cnn's karl penhaul is in france gathering facts on this. he's reporting on this. we'll bring him in with new information in just a few moments. also want to bring in cnn aviation analyst, les amend, and mary schiavo, former inspector general at the transportation department. les, i want to start with you, each day i feel like i'm going to you for reaction for one more parade of horribles. this co-pilot wanted this plane down even faster. does that help anything in the investigation other than being terrible? >> it's anybody's best guess what was going through this young man's mind.
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i know the terminology being used is "sped up." but he increased the vertical speed. you can dial in and basically make the airplane go down faster or make it go up faster also. he increased it. maybe he was looking for a specific spot and was trying to increase the rate of descent so he could get to that spot. it's hard to say exactly -- >> what you're saying to me -- i'm trying to envision what honestly was going on in that cockpit for those harrowing eight minutes. i've had visions of him sitting back and waiting for his demise without any regard for 149 people behind him. and now i'm getting visions of him toiling away frantically to make it happen as if it's just another day on the job. >> well, once again, the whole thing is just baffling and crazy. it seems to me from the data that we're being told that he maintained a heading or at least what we call lnap, it was
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staying on a specific heading to maintain a specific course. so all he was trying to do was expedite the process of getting the airplane into the ground. >> i wanted to hear something that would make me feel less sad about how these people died and knowing that the plane sped up on its descent, did it make their demise any quicker, did it change this formula at all for the way these people died? >> no. it might have shaved off a few seconds of the time that they had to endure the terror and the fear of the impending death, but, no, it doesn't for me lessen it in any way. and actually it makes it -- i think it makes it worse in many ways. but there's just -- you can't make this horrible thing any worse or better than it is. >> just the motion that the descent became more rapid, would
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that have made them more aware sooner that there was this desce descent, that it wasn't just a few more moments of flying before they started to see mountains? >> yes. and i can't help but remember the parallels between this and united flight 93 and the family members who were able to hear that cockpit voice recording. and the hijackers there with the banging of the food cart on the cockpit door, the passengers got through and banged through and maybe he was speeding up because the pilot in command was banging on the door and the metal sound might have been the foot cart. perhaps he thought he would actually make it through the door, not likely with the reinforced doors. but i couldn't help but draw the parallels between that and flight 93. >> makes perfect sense when you say that. and he'd been doing the research on cockpit door safety prior to this crash. i want to bring in karl penhaul who is live on the story right now. karl, one of the issues with this story is just the sensitive
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nature with which the surviving family members have been treated as they go to that mountain meadow, the closest spot they can be to where their loved ones died. you've had a chance to speak to some of those family members. >> reporter: yeah, absolutely, ashleigh. the other day at one of the memorial sites, we did speak to the sister of one of the iranian families. and she, first of all, was describing the good things about her brother's life. but now i get the sense that the families are in a different emotional phase. a lot of them are saying here in the city of marseilles and traveling each day to the memorial site. i was talking to the brother of one of the men who died in that crash. he says he gets up in the morning and his emotions range between sadness and very deep rage. he said that it is lufthansa that has invaded his privacy. he said he never wanted lufthansa in his life.
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but now lufthansa will be there deeply ingrained on every feeling that he has for the rest of his life. he says, yes, it's okay that we have to go through the phases of compensation, that is the right and responsibility of each family. but he also says that what he wants is a criminal investigation to get to the bottom of this. he said that he wants to see in jail the airline executives that allowed andreas lubitz to fly even though years ago, they had the first hints that he had a mental issue. and he says that that should have been monitored and now he wants the executives to be put in jail for their responsibility in this crash, ashleigh. >> completely understandable that rage, karl, that you're speaking of that is enveloped in sadness and terror and mourning and loss. but that is a tough row to hoe without question. karl penhaul, excellent reporting from marseilles. may thanks to mary and les as well.
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you know you could buy a car that slows itself down when it gets too close to another car. and you can even by cars that park themselves if you're not
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good at parallel parking. why can't we do the same thing with airplanes? cnn's rene marsh found out it probably could do this theoretically, but it really probably won't happen. >> reporter: despite blaring cockpit alarms like these, andreas lubitz continued germanwings flight 9525's deadly descent, the plane in his control alone. more than ten years ago, airbus, the plane's manufacturer, helped develop software to potentially allow a plane's computers to take over a flight if it got close to crashing. but the project was scrapped before it was put to use. >> in the case of the germanwings passenger murders, this technology would, i believe, have saved the flight. >> reporter: here's how it would work if the pilot does not respond to current audible warnings in the cockpit.
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an autopilot function would kick in, steering the plane out of danger and onto a safe course. many commercial pilots say a plane should never be taken out of a pilot's control. the crash landing of us airways flight 1549 on the hudson river in new york, an example. after a flock of geese knocked out both engines, the heroic efforts of captain sully sullenberger saved all 155 people on board. some pilots also warned technology like enhanced crash avoidance could make jetliners vulnerable to hackers. >> more and more people will come to know the technology. they'll work on the technology and therefore there will be bad people that will be able to exploit that technology. that's not a good thing. >> reporter: but in incidents like the germanwings tragedy where a pilot is being blamed for the crash, former department of transportation inspector general mary schiavo says there must be additional safeguards. >> most of the major commercial jetliner crashes in the last two
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or three years could have been saved by an override. >> our thanks to rene marsh for that report. i want to bring back in cnn aviation analyst les abend who, as i mentioned before, is a pilot of a 777, captain. sounds like a great idea. and you don't agree? >> i don't agree. are we changing an entire system based on this anomaly, this poor mentally disturbed individual? doesn't make sense. if you start taking airplanes away from pilots, we already have warnings. you've heard them in the piece that rene marsh gave. the sink rate, the terrain, that's already there for us to respond. are we going to develop this system and have it put in airplanes because we have a situation like we had with -- >> granted, this is rare, les. however, we're not taking the control away from pilots. we're taking the control away from bad pilots, murderous pilots. who knows if this will be the
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new terror trend? breeding pilots and getting them in the cockpit. >> but now you have a system that could possible malfunction. what about the situation in sioux city, iowa? the captain landed an aircraft that never should have had the mechanical issue that it had and used four crew members to get it on the ground -- >> understood. that makes perfect sense. what if ground control could play a part? we have plenty of technology available for that. if ground control could override that and allow a good captain to actually override the system and land in a dangerous spot. wouldn't that remedy it? >> it's a good question. but it brings up, who's going to monitor that? ground control or air traffic control already has a system in place where they can see a plane flying at low altitude.
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we have warnings for collision avoidance also. all these things are in place for us to get the airplane out of danger. >> but you're a good man, captain. that other man was not. he was listening to those bells and whistles and probably relishing in them. >> then we have 99.8% good pilots out there. i don't see changing a system and potentially designing an airplane to protect it from the pilot as opposed to to working in harmony to make this technology work. >> you make great points. les, thank you. happy easter. >> happy passover. we've got a couple of breaking pictures that are coming in to cnn. you've probably heard about these terrorists who gunned down nearly 150 students at a kenyan college yesterday. four of them were caught. let me rephrase that. they're dead. but the search is on for their leader and there is a big, heavy ticket that's been hung around his neck. it's what you call a bounty.
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breaking news here at cnn, in just the past few minutes we received the first photographs from inside yesterday's massacre at that university in kenya. on these photos, you can see broken glass, damaged buildings, students' personal belongings thrown about. witnesses saying a number of armed men just stormed into that
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college campus, set off an explosion and then began shooting and taking hostages. and when it was all over, the damage was brutal. 147 people, most of them students, were dead. and most of them as we're now learning, shot in the head. also we're learning more about horrible and frightening details as to what happened as that siege actually played out. the islamic extreme group al shabaab has claimed responsibility. otherens withes say the gunmen went door to door through the dorms, actually, and separated people by religion. they killed anyone who was not a muslim. as we reported earlier, four of the attackers that were sought after, they're now dead. but that's not all of them. straight to that small college town in rural kenya, our reporter is there and joins us on the telephone now. christian, in terms of trying to deal with the aftermath, there
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are still probably investigative issues inside that university that police and authorities are having to comb through. but what about finding the rest of the perpetrators and in particular, the ringleader? >> reporter: ashleigh, as you said, kenyan authorities say they have killed the four main perpetrators of this time. across the campus, you can see telltale signs of the battle that went on. tank tracks going into the campus. and the kenyan authorities responded quickly to the attack. but one of the things is they want to try and find out who is the ring looleader of this crim. the campus itself has been locked down as the investigation continues and the ambulance and security services begin to deal with the aftermath, recovering the bodies and trying to
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identify them for the families, ashleigh. >> christian, if i could just ask you, look, it was only just 2013, two years ago, that we lived through the horrors of the attack at the westgate mall in nairobi, kenya. weren't there enormous lessons to be learned about response to a terror attack? so many more people died than needed to die. now we're seeing on the heels of that an attack that took out almost 150 people. >> reporter: yes, that is one of the things that's going to emerge from these investigations, what exactly happened. and the details are still very murky. it does appear that this time the kenyan security forces did respond quickly. but also unlike last time, this time, there was no siege. they immediately went in to try to take out this threat. in westgate, there were many
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days -- the problem is dealing with threats like this. where the university is is a four-hour drive from the porous border with somalia. how the kenyan forces begin to preempt those attacks is a real challenge. they got here on the ground within a couple of hours. but that's just still too late. that's the real challenge. >> maybe that's the answer that everyone's looking for, that it is remote. it's over 200 miles away from nairobi and to try to respond with the kind of force you would need in those rural places, there just isn't that kind of force. christian purefoy, thank you for your reporting. appreciate it. school campuses and hotels in public spaces, you've probably heard them called soft targets
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before, that terrorists like to hit, instead of military bases or high-security areas. of course, it's cowardly. those who are the victims are unsuspected, innocent people just trying to live their lives, like those kids at school. some of the deadliest extremist attacks in recent memory have been against these so-called soft targets. remember 2008, mumbai, india? extremists from pakistan attacked several places all at the same time. and more than 160 people died. this all played out at a huge hotel, an upscale hotel. eventually it was set on fire. in 2013, we just mentioned the nairobi, kenya, assault. the details are pretty harrowing. men with machine guns effectively blasting their way into a shopping mall and shooting at random, hunting for hours upon hours, it stretched into days and 67 people were murdered. may of last year in belgium, a man who converted to islam
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opened fire at the jewish museum in brussels. before anyone could do anything about it, four people were dead. october of last year in canada, a muslim convert shot a military guard dead at the national monument in ottawa. and then just blitzed his way into the parliament building. pretty remarkable. this year, january, gunmen forced their way into the "charlie hebdo" magazine offices in paris and were able to murder 12 people and then take off. apparently this in revenge for the magazine's cartoon depictions of their prophet, muhammad. then last week, al shabaab claiming attacks in somalia. in that attack, a diplomat and five other people murdered in cold blood. paul cruickshank is in london right now. we're talking about these soft targets like the college campus in ten ya. but what i really want to get to
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is this notion for starters of al shabaab. i have seen you say in writings that you think al shabaab is kind of desperate and that this shows that they are weakening and yet we're talking about victims in the hundreds. how does that show anything that could be described as weak? >> well, ashleigh, al shabaab are being forced onto their back foot in somalia by kenyan military operations, they lost their last urban stronghold last october. they're increasingly just based in rural areas. so this is a group -- of course, it's a group which still poses a significant regional terrorist threat. as they've lost territory inside somalia, they've increasingly focused on building up that regional terrorist capability.
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so there's a lot of concern that we could see more attacks in the region, not just inside kenya but now in other places as well, like djibouti, tanzania and elsewhere, concerns that the united states' interest may also be targeted in the region. >> that's where i want to take this. we just had yet another arrest today. a woman in philly, the arrest affidavit suggests all sorts of nefarious activity going on. yesterday, two women in brooklyn, same m.o. the list goes on and on. about four or five just in the last month. i'm sure i'm missing something. but here's the question, those women in brooklyn said, according to the fbi, that they wanted to do something not so soft with normal people. they wanted to get something more significant like police officers or installations. and yet we're seeing the successes are really where the soft targets are. this university was so far away from where the concentration of responders could possibly be
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that they could kill 150 in a matter of a day. >> that's absolutely right. and terrorist groups have increasingly emphasized soft targets. terrorism is a lot about media impact coverage and when you have high body counts, a lot of people being killed and injured, that gets these terrorist groups into the headlines. it's easier to go after a university or a school or a restaurant than it is to go after harder targets like an embassy. you can get just as much media coverage. so they've emphasized this. and al shabaab, the somalian terrorist group, just recently threatened attacks inside the united states against malls inside the united states. now, intelligence officials in the united states don't believe the group currently has much capability to do that. but worrying nevertheless that groups like al shabaab, like al qaeda, like isis, encouraging lone wolf supporters back in the west to hit soft targets. >> paul cruickshank, thank you for your analysis.
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do appreciate it. i sure wish we could meet on different topics. thank you, paul. >> thank you. from one terror story to another, the defense in the boston bombing trial, that's over. they rested after pretty much a day and a half. but now the real work begins, trying to save his life. which means planting seeds of doubt. but is there anyone on that jury who will find the nuggets of doubt they may have sown, the least bit reasonable? we'll weigh that in a moment.
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while a guilty verdict in the boston bombing trial seems pretty much like a foregone conclusion at this point, never say never. i say that because of o.j. defense attorneys for dzhokhar tsarnaev are vigorously preparing for round two, nonetheless. and round two is the sentencing phase.
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one of his lawyers in her opening statement just went ahead and said it, folks. she looked at her client and said, yeah, it was him, plain and simple. but the defense even with just four witnesses in their case in chief is managing at least to do something. and that is, plant seeds of doubt when it comes to the question of why. and the "why" in their estimation is really a "who." it's his brother, tamerlan tsarnaev. that's what their case pretty much rests on. and closing arguments are monday. so you can expect there will be a lot of focus on the name tamerlan on monday, not dzhokhar. mel robbins joins me live from boston. foregone conclusion, you can never, ever say that. i've seen too many wild cards and too many crazy things. but for the sake of this conversation, let's say that the focus is really going to the death phase. and in the death phase, how much does it matter that they sow
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seeds of doubt in the guilt/innocence phase? >> well, good afternoon, ashleigh. it's a great question. it matters a lot. and they started by throwing seeds of doubt when she said, keep your hearts and minds opened. sure, she pointed to him and said, he was there, he did it, she admitted guilt in the opening statement, ashleigh. they barely even cross-examined during the 15 days of witnesses. but they've started to kind of put this case out there already about who was the mastermind. their case hinges not on whether or not he did it but the fact that he is going to be portrayed as a pawn in this whole thing, left holding the bag. >> i got you. and this is a great lawyer. she is remarkable and she has worked miracles before. let me throw up a list of things i took out of "the boston globe," terrific reporting from the reporter in that courtroom. these are the things the defense
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were able to do in this courtroom. they were able to establish that that big brother's fingerprints were the fingerprints all over the tools of destruction, that dzhokhar's cell phone had him in a totally different location than tamerlan's location when tamerlan was buying all the elements needed to make those killer bombs. that the jihadi propaganda had all been transferred from tamerlan's laptop, that it didn't come from dzhokhar's searching. and that tamerlan's computer searches showed he looked for the pistols and the fireworks, but not dzhokhar. and then there was dzhokhar's web activity. it showed him going to facebook and the russian equivalent of facebook and porn, all the things the average teen would do. my question to you, counselor, can't you see a jury, a reasonable jury saying, your actions still were so disgusting, so what about all that -- the rest of that stuff? >> of course. the prosecution ended their case
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with these words, ashleigh, he was only 8 years old. they ended with the gruesome photographs of the blown-apart bodies of three of the victims and then said of martin richard, he was only 8 years old. and guess what? while dzhokhar's fingerprints were not at his brother's apartment, they were not on the tools, he didn't buy any of the materials, he still stood behind martin richard, he stood there for at least a minute behind that family and he put that backpack down and thend he wald away. the question is whether that's enough for this jury to say that warrants the death penalty. >> and it's the words i just said. the jury might in their heads articulate, so what? so you didn't buy it, but you blew it up and you watched those people all around you before you did so. mel, we'll have a lot to talk about next week. happy easter. >> same to you, hon.
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>> mel robbins joining us from boston. a tennessee prosecutor fired. and also just accused of forcing women to undergo sterilization surgery in a deal to avoid prison. wait a minute. what? what year is this? what country are we in? is that legal? big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern.
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a nashville prosecutor has
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been fired. and it happened after reports surfaced that he gave women an offer of a sweet plea deal with one teeny, tiny catch. they had to get their tubed tied, they had to effectively be sterilized. the former assistant prosecutor brian holmgren is accused of suggesting sterilization as a part of plea bargain talks for women at least four times in the past five years in child abuse and child neglect cases. "the tennessean" newspaper reported that the most recent case involved this woman. she has a 20-year history with severe mental illness and was charged with neglect after her 5-day-old newborn baby mysteriously died. she turned holmgren in to his
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boss because of this conversation. have a listen. >> when i was asking for any offer other than lengthy prison time, the exact words were to me, my hands are tied until you get her tubed tied. she was very offended, as was her family. >> a court reporter for "the tennessean" newspaper is live with us from nashville. and here with me in new york is danny cevallos. stacy, you interviewed the young woman in this case. and, danny, you need to answer some legal questions for me. stacy, it's so astounding, when i read about ms. randers, she seems as though she has been lost in a system, lost in a shuffle and that the fact pattern in the case certainly didn't suggest that she was an evil woman. and yet this played out.
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what was your interview like with ms. randers when you interviewed her in custody? >> well, i had a chance to interview her when we knew what the resolution of the case would be but before she was returned to a mental health treatment program. i asked her about it. she didn't want to be in jail anymore. she wanted to go back to treatment and hopefully eventually back to her family in minnesota. when i asked her about the sterilization piece, she was aware of it and she said she thought it was mean that that was put on the table. >> that's all she could articulate is that she thought that the suggestion within the plea was mean. ultimately, stacey, clear it up for me, this did not fly? it was corrected, there was a deal put on the table, there's resolution to this case. and jasmine did not have to go under the knife? >> right, correct. i'm only aware of one other case where sterilization did occur.
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and that was a very different situation. the woman in that case had shown interest in the procedure before entering the court system. and that case was handled by the same public defender that handled ms. randers' case. >> i want to read a statement from brian holmgren, the d.a. in this case, who's being heavily criticized for this recommendation. he said this, i cannot comment on the details involving the firing because he was fired which is a position i have taken with all news media, other than to say it has absolutely nothing to do with the randers case and it has nothing to do with sterilizations. we couldn't get an interview with mr. holmgren. but he said it doesn't have anything to do with the issue that we're discussing. and that's entirely possible. danny cevallos, it doesn't take the issue off the table, however. we have a defense attorney who was so incensed at the injustice of this, the suggestive recommendation, that she turned him in to his boss and the boss
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has gone on record saying that they undid that deal and did something completely different. my question is, how did it even start like this? is this at all legal? >> yes. >> how? >> i'm stunned that everyone is so up in arms about a practice that's been going on for quite a long time. here's the thing -- >> we've seen it happen in hospitals and it's been illegal. we've seen it happen to the mentally ill who can't give consent and we've seen it with nazi germany -- >> let's talk about case law in the united states. when you talk about doing it to the mentally ill, that's a controversial issue that the supreme court got wrong almost 100 years ago in another case. but it deals with the compulsory sterilization of those the supreme court called '-- it's
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rare for the supreme court to decide a kind of punishment qualifies as cruel and unusual. but even if it is, there's a separate step of the analysis. can a defendant waive that eighth amendment claim? in other words, can they waive that cruel and unusual claim? we can waive fourth amendment claims, we can waive fifth amendment claims, the right to remain silent. so constitutionally speaking -- >> you're making the choice is what they're saying -- >> it might be constitutional because there are compulsory sterilization plea deals and even compulsorily you're required -- >> on the other side of the coin, a lot of viewers say, if someone is abusing children and there's no way to stop them from doing so, maybe this is one way to suggest it. and if it is something that they agree to, that is obviously a choice. it's just uncomfortable to hear it. danny, thank you. have a good weekend.
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yet another death row inmate walking out of prison a free man. this time, it's anthony ray hinton who's 58 years old but was 28 when two fast-food managers were shot to death in birmingham, alabama. that was in 1985.
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ronald reagan was president. lady gaga wasn't born yet. in 2002, experts testified that hinton's gun did not match the evidence in either of the killing and yet still it took 13 years for the state to figure out how to drop the charges and let him out. thanks for watching, everyone. brianna keilar will take it from here. hi, there. i'm brianna keilar in for wolf blitzer. 1:00 p.m. here in washington. 7:00 p.m. in dufld. dusseldorf. 8:00 p.m. in sanaa. and 8:30 in tehran. thanks for joining us. the flight data recorder found yesterday from that downed germanwings aircraft has already yielded more information about how the plane crashed. co-pilot andreas lubitz actually increased the plane's speed after setting the autopilot to 100 feet. the recorder also showed that lubitz i

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