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an unarmed black man shot at eight times, hit in the back. the white officer now charged with murder. the whole thing caught on video. we have crucial new developments in the investigation in morning. friendly fire. u.s. soldier shot and killed by an afghan soldier. several other u.s. troops injured in that same attack. why? it's being called one of the most sophisticated cyberattacks ever launched against the united states. russian hackers hit the white house. how did they do it and just what did they steal? hello, everybody. we're back together. i'm kate bolduan. >> i'm john berman. good to see you today. new this morning, an fbi investigation under way into the shocking video out of south carolina. a police officer is accused of murder after shooting and killing an unarmed black man. we want you to look at this
revealing and troubling footage. you can count eight shots right there. the officer in that video is michael slager who is now being held in the shooting death of 50-year-old walter scott. >> scott, as you saw right there, was running away. seen running away from the officer before the officer fires eight times. the officer claims he feared for his life following an altercation between the two men after a traffic stop. the video appears to paint a very different picture. slager is now looking at a murder charge. martin savidge is in north charleston following this story. martin, what are you hearing from the community this morning? >> reporter: good morning, kate. there was a protest that just ended only moments ago. it was under the broad banner of black lives matter and it was several dozen people. the community here is basically
saying especially those who have been protesting police practices, we told you so. only now that this video is out and shows a very blatant shooting does the general public begin to doubt what have been previous accounts by police officers when it comes to victims who have died at the hands of law enforcement. so there is anger. there are people who are saying we should have been paying attention to this far sooner and it's only when confronted with video that you can say is almost irrefutable that the public really takes notice here. they've been asking for the mayor to step down. they've been asking for changes in the police force. the family of walter scott has been speaking out. here is his brother talking on "new day" earlier today. >> after seeing the video, i was, like, he was running for his life, not to be shot down. not to be tased anymore. and i thank my brother might have thought he was just not
going to be shot. no one would have thought that. >> reporter: the family admits that they are horrified to see that video but at the same time they are glad that the truth has come out. they are glad that the video has come out as horrific as it is to watch their brother and son be killed by a police officer for what appears to be no real reason. kate and john? >> noteworthy how swiftly this city moved once this video came to light. martin savidge on the ground in north charleston. thanks so much. happening right now, a u.s. service member has been killed and several others injured in what appears to be a green on blue attack in afghanistan. a u.s. defense official says an afghan soldier opened fire on u.s. troops while they were guarding a u.s. delegation. >> let's bring in nick paton walsh joining us with more. nick, what can you tell us?
>> reporter: it's remarkable to note actually how limited the scope of u.s. military activities and movements are in that part of afghanistan. we saw ourselves a couple weeks ago how they basically helicopter between key secure bases. now, one instance here there was a group of u.s. diplomats and soldiers. some of the soldiers providing security for them because these attacks are so frequent and now the key threat to u.s. personnel. they have a security detail with them at all times called guardian angels specifically there to protect them from rogue afghan security personnel. this group in the governor's compound far to the east of kabul where there's a lot of training activity and assistance being done by the u.s. here. they finished their meeting with afghan personnel and according to afghan police as they emerged, they were shot at by an afghan soldier using a heavy machine gun that was mounted on afghan military trucks. remarkable amount of firepower used. as we know from one u.s. defense
official, there was one u.s. soldier killed. suggestions that other members of the nato force there may have been injured. it's not clear what nationality or how many. it's u.s. and polish forces exclusively in that area at the moment. and this of course led to the security detail to return fire. they shot back killing the afghan assailant and wounding two other afghans. not sure if because they were in the crossfire or because they were involved in the attack. it reminds everyone of the key nature of this afghan insider attack threat. there's not been a u.s. fatality in the military since december and i think people now are seeing this longest war america's been involved in coming to an end with this still insider threat being most prevalent. john? >> this comes shortly after the u.s. decided to extend troop levels. nick paton walsh, thank you so much. new information that russian hackers were allegedly behind a cyberattack on the white house.
>> they even managed to get hold of private details of the president's nonpublic schedule. let's get over to justice reporter evan perez. you've been getting a lot of these details coming out. what else are you learning about the attack and most importantly now what the white house is going to do about it? >> reporter: that's a very interesting question because i know behind the scenes there's been a lot of discussion inside the government pushing for the u.s. government to publicly shame russia and say we know you were behind this hack and to try to bring this out into the open. there's a lot of discussion behind the scenes. i don't know that it will happen partly because the state department doesn't want to anger the russians and there's a lot of issues that are going back and forth. really the way the russian hackers got in here was through the state department. they first hacked into the state department and then they used that perch to be able to trick someone to allow them access into the white house. executive office of the president, which although it was an unclassified e-mail system as
the white house has pointed out, it still contained a lot of sensitive information like you mentioned. the president's schedule not public. stuff that they could see in real time in which foreign spy agencies really prize. >> absolutely. what else if you can access that part of the president's schedule, what else can you access? that's a huge question and all from what seems to be not so sophisticated phishing e-mail. that's what boggles the mind but also shows how vulnerable a lot of systems are. there's a lot of questions going forward. evan, thank you so much. we're keeping an eye on verdict watch. the trial of former nfl star aaron hernandez. the former new england patriots player is charged with first-degree murder in the killing of his friend odin lloyd. during closing arguments the defense admitted for the first time in this nine-week long trial that hernandez witnessed the murder. that he was there.
his attorneys said that two other men there committed the crime. coming up, we'll have much more on this admission and the huge questions facing the jury deliberating right now. new developments in morning in the trial of the accused boston marathon bomber. jury back in deliberations there. they met for seven hours yesterday. they could not reach a decision in that seven hours in the case of dzhokhar tsarnaev. there are 30 counts to consider. more than half carry potential for the death penalty. earlier this morning the jury asked the judge for a clearer definition of conspiracy and if there's a difference between aiding and abetting. >> first in ferguson, missouri, racial tensions thrust the suburb into the headlines. now they are making a change electing two more african-americans to the city council. half of the council will be black. a closer representation of the city's population. last night's election had more than double the usual voter turnout.
it was the first city election since a white house police officer shot and killed a black teenager last summer. ahead for us "at this hour," the shocking police video caught on camera in south carolina. does the officer here have any defense? we'll ask the man who helped acquit george zimmerman. can climb change hurt your health? president obama says yes. he sat down for a one-on-one with sanjay gupta. hear what the president can say if nothing is done to fix this growing problem. hey. i'm ted and this is rudy. say "hi" rudy. [ barks ] [ chuckles ] i'd do anything to keep this guy happy and healthy. that's why i'm so excited about these milk-bone brushing chews. whoa, i'm not the only one. it's a brilliant way to take care of his teeth. clinically proven as effective as brushing. ok, here you go. have you ever seen a dog brush his own teeth? the twist and nub design cleans all the way down to the gum line, even reaching the back teeth. they taste like a treat, but they clean like a toothbrush.
charged with murder after shooting an african-american man who apparently was not armed. shooting him in the back eight times as he ran away. >> unlike similar cases that have made headlines, there is video of this incident. graphic video. really serving as the ultimate eyewitness here. cnn has learned that officer michael slager's original attorney is no longer representing him so how will his new attorney build a defense here? we'll ask a man who knows. we'll bring in legal analyst mark o'mara, the criminal defense attorney that represented george zimmerman. can you hear me? >> we're having issues. >> mark, can you hear me okay? mark is having a hard time hearing me. you know what? we have backup. here with us in studio is cnn legal analyst danny cevallos. danny, you have seen the video. you have seen this man, walter scott, running away from the
police officer. no denying that. he was running away. you see officer michael slager pull his trigger eight times shooting at this man as he's running away hitting him five times in the back. what is the defense for this officer? >> when you see a video like this as a defense attorney you formulate what a defense would be. there is support for the proposition that even if fleeing -- i'm not saying this is the case here -- if a police officer can articulate that someone has committed a dangerous felony and is fleeing, there's legal support that deadly force can be used. >> it has to be a threat to the cop or has to be a threat to the public at large? >> threat to the public at large. an example would be man fleeing with machine gun in his hand having already shot a few people up. that would be an example of someone who is a fleeing felon. it's absolutely true -- i'm not saying that's the case here because that does not appear to be that so far. >> there is a legal defense
possibly. >> here's where it goes south. in this case he's going to have to hold onto that notion and articulate some reasonable fear of danger. some reasonable threat that this man posed before he resorted to deadly force as the man is fleeing. and so far we're not seeing that at least most of us are not seeing that in the video. that appears at this stage the only thing he can hang a defense to. the problem is i see -- the number one problem i see so far emerging is what appears to be going and picking up a taser or a stun gun or whatever he used and then repositioning it. that's what we appear to see. we don't know yet. the video is grainy. that's what a lot of people are talking about. that shows at least to people who are highly critical of this officer the intent to affect the crime scene. >> use your highly critical mind and highly critical eye as a criminal defense attorney, do
you think people are jumping to a conclusion too fast? do you think there's anything that could have happened before this video started that can completely change what folks think is apparent going on in this video? >> video is amazing. in the past we would say we have to wait until all of the facts are in and do crime scene analysis. with the magic of video, we can say let's go to the tape. there's no stronger witness than iphone video that we see. we don't know what happened in the minutes before or maybe we will find out. maybe there will be more video we don't know about. just based on what we've seen so far, that appears to be some damning evidence. the defense in this case has their work cut out for them. >> mark o'mara i believe is with us and can hear me now. i want to ask you this, absent this video, what would the situation be? would these charges exist? if the answer is no, does that not point to the systemic problem perhaps within at least this police force if not all
that this cop, if in fact he did something illegal, was going to get away with it. >> the answer is no. charges would not have happened particularly when you have an officer who did whatever he could to cover up his bad act by putting the taser near the body. that may give him reason for why he shot. i think he realizes when he was done shooting it was a bad shoot. you're right. there are systemic problems that this does point out. this one and the south carolina case where the african-american gentleman went back into his car to get his license and was shot. you know, we don't have the racist statutes we did but now biases that exist is more subtle and happening in that limited part of the brain. for some reason at least in part because of the color of this man's skin, that officer felt it was okay, it was more threatening. it was more aggressive even though he was running away and those are the type of systemic problems we have to address.
it's going to take generations. i'll give you one strong point. if there was a body camera on that officer, i bet you he would not have shot. we need body cameras on all cops. >> that's what i was going to ask you. you have previously talked about systemic issues that need to be addressed and that will take generations especially when it comes to racial tensions with law enforcement. but then the how. what do you do today to avoid another man like this man being shot and killed? do you really think a body camera would change it? >> we know from those departments who have had it there have been less use of force events. there have been less complaints about cops and also there have been more pleas meaning people have pled to the crimes they have been charged with. think about the amount of efficiency that brings into an already overburden oed system. if we have cops with cameras, they'll think more about it and know they're being recorded and i think in a case like this while he may have overreacted to
whatever inappropriate perceived threat he felt for a moment but he would have thought this is going to be reviewed, keep my gun holstered and that man would be alive today. >> maybe one or two seconds of pause here would have made a difference. great to have you here with us. thanks so much. ahead for us "at this hour," a 23-year-old kid who witnessed something. that is what the defense in the aaron hernandez says happened admitting for the first time that hernandez was there when odin lloyd was killed but just as a bystander. will the jury buy it? we're watching that jury right now on verdict watch. stay with us.
happening now, the jury is behind closed doors as we speak at the aaron hernandez murder trial. this is now the second day of deliberations. during closing arguments, a whopper from the defense. a surprise. the defense admitting for the first time that hernandez witnessed the murder of odin lloyd, but they say that two other men, earnest wallace and carlos ortiz were the ones that actually committed the act, pulled the trigger. >> prosecutors portray hernandez as a cold, calculating man. a man capable of pulling the trigger on someone simply he thought disrespected him. let's discuss all of this. cnn legal analyst mel robbins is here and danny cevallos, a criminal defense attorney. danny what about this whopper that john berman brings up. it seems a pretty big deal to bring up for the first time in
closings. by the way, he was there. he witnessed it. >> i'm actually not surprised. the entire case -- there is so much powerful circumstantial evidence he was there, you had to wonder when the defense would address this issue and what better time to do that than closing arguments when prosecution can't put evidence on anymore. the other counter to this. have you lost your credibility with the jurors if you don't raise this defense during the entire case but only at the end say, okay, it's not a who done it anymore. he was there but he's an innocent babe in the woods and other guys are bad guys. i will add that in courtrooms across the country, this is a much more familiar defense when you have two, three, four dudes and they all point the finger directly at each other. that's a very common theme. i didn't do it. i didn't know he had a gun. i don't know that guy's last name. >> the defense technically speaking doesn't have to have a theory of what happened.
they don't have to prove anything. here the defense is in the final moments of the trial itself laying out a theory of what happened. what does a jury do with that? how do they take that behind closed doors and deliberate as they are right now? >> john, it's a great question. good morning to all of you. let me tell what you that jury is going to do and what defense counsel hopes jury will do. defense hopes the jury will take the defense attorney's theory of the case. remember what we've all been saying leading up to the closing arguments. you know, the problem with this case is that there is no motive. while they have an avalanche of circumstantial evidence that makes a lot of us sit back and say, wait a minute, you have to be a moron to not think he was involved based on everything we have here. what the defense did is now gave the jury an alternate explanation. what they are hoping is that a couple of jurors go, huh, that makes a lot of sense actually.
when you take all of the circumstantial evidence, when you take the gum and the casing and you take the triangleation of cell phone and they were together. it makes sense that a guy with no motive to kill would actually witness something like this but not be guilty. i think he just perhaps won his case by doing this. >> this is the kind of quote that i think sticks. this coming from the defense attorney. if there was evidence of any reason aaron would have had to murder odin lloyd, don't you think you would have heard about it in nine weeks? you didn't hear it because it didn't exist. this went on for nine weeks. i was looking at the numbers. more than 130 witnesses. more than 400 pieces of evidence. nine weeks of testimony. if mel thinks that he might have just won his case there, what was the prosecution doing nine weeks? >> building the actual elements of their case.
let's break down the theory that there was no motive. why would somebody do this? motive is not an element of any of the crimes charged. if the defense is focusing on motive, that means they may be a little weak on the other elements, which we can see throughout the course of these witnesses we talked about. there is support for the idea that among defense attorneys and jurors and prosecutors that jurors want a motive. they're not required to find a motive and they don't need one, they want to know why. just looking at the defense's theory if they are clinging to the idea that there was no motive, that suggests that and we've seen that objectivobjecte evidence against him is strong. >> we're watching the jury and also the tsarnaev jury. two verdict watches happening. ahead for us "at this hour,"
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shocking story out of south carolina. a white north charleston police officer is jailed at this hour and facing murder charges. there is graphic, disturbing video that shows him shooting an apparently unarmed black man, walter scott, as that man, walter scott, is running away. >> officer michael slager says he used a taser and that scott tried to take that taser. that's kind of what happened before this altercation. the video doesn't appear to support that story. the video taken by a man walking to work will be key in this case. has been key in trying to figure out what happened here. it sure seems damning. is there more than to it than meets the eye. let's discuss this with a former detective with nypd. great to see you. thank you for coming in. we want to take a step by step approach looking at the video with your critical eye, what's police protocol when it comes to something like this. we'll go tandem for this. this is video. this is the beginning of the video. you see it here.
this is when the shots rang out. he falls. the officer walks over. the man was running away. he gets however many steps away and then he fires seven shots. a pause, an eighth shot. what is police protocol when it comes to something like this on its most basic? >> in most places you cannot shoot a fleeing felon. there are some places where you can shoot a fleeing felon or in some circumstances let's say someone is running from you and they are firing a gun over their shoulder at you, it makes sense that you would attempt to use -- >> appears he's unarmed. >> we don't have that here. at the beginning of the video it looked like there may have been a taser barb there. it looks as if the taser had been fired as well possibly. there's a taser bash here. whether he shot him with the taser and he ran at that point. some people do. some people you can shoot them with a taser and they are still active. we are not aware of mr. scott being armed in any way.
he's running away. why he was not chased by the officer -- >> he doesn't look like a threat to you. it doesn't look like that. >> it doesn't look like a threat at this point. we don't know what led us to this point. that part is missing. that part does not look like a threat. >> there's a couple other things we want to look at. after he's shot a number of times in the back, he goes up to walter scott right there and doesn't check if he's okay. he puts handcuffs on this man shot multiple times. >> actually, i hate to say it, if there was anything done right in this incident, that was probably the only thing that was done correct from what i can tell. that's not uncommon. i don't know if he's armed or not. he may have a weapon on him i'm not aware of. initially i'm going to go over to him and cuff him just to make sure he can't get to that weapon. >> that's why you have it here to lay it out. >> that is not unusual. >> what may be unusual is this. this is a big part of this case
here. you can see the officer dropping something right there. he picked it up previously. >> he had gone back to pick this object up. obviously it's been affected. we slow it down and show it. he goes over. drops it. and then eventually picks it back up and puts it onto his pack or onto his waist. everyone is assuming that's the taser. everyone is also kind of pointing the finger that that means coverup. is there any protocol that you would pick something up, which was now a crime scene, if you will. >> if there was a weapon that mr. scott had used or had in his possession that had dropped and the crime scene is not secured and there are other people coming into the crime scene, you may want to secure the weapon in that incident. >> that's a stretch. >> we're not seeing that. if that is a taser and he goes back and picks it up. >> does that look like a taser to you. >> it's hard to tell. we're assuming that it is because we don't know what else
may have dropped back at that point. since they were arguing that a taser was being fought over and we're making the assumption that's what the object is. >> either it's a coverup or a man is tainting a crime scene. dropping something near a guy that has been shot which would be a bad idea. that's the most innocent explanation. >> it's going to be hard for him to articulate why he shot him as he was running away. if in accordance with that he had an epiphany i think i just did something wrong and goes back to get the taser to come back and drop by the body to corroborate we were fighting over the taser, it adds insult it injury. >> what's the most glaring thing in all of this? the last image if you will is him checking the pulse. we don't see him administering emergency medical care to this point. it seems like a long time before emergency help was offered. what's the most glaring thing
from your experience as an officer, as a detective, that sticks out in this video? all of it? >> the whole thing is disturbing. i'll be the first one to arcti articulate on behalf of the police when they do something correct. it's hard for me to come to his defense because i don't see anything that is defensible in this case. it's disturbing from beginning to end unfortunately. my regrets to the scott family as well. >> appreciate you being here to help us understand it. ahead for us "at this hour," it's called one of the most sophisticated cyberattacks ever launched against the united states. russian hackers hitting the white house. how did they do it? seems almost simple. what did they get? if your purse is starting to look more like a tissue box... you may be muddling through allergies. try zyrtec® for powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin®. because it starts working faster on the first day you take it. zyrtec®. muddle no more™ .
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prevent it from happening ever again? >> we want to bring in cnn national security analyst and former assistant secretary of the department of homeland security. julia, what does it mean when we say the white house has been hacked. not just that. we say russia hacked the white house, what do we mean by that and how concerned should we be? >> we should be pretty concerned. there's different systems within the white house both the classified and the unclassified. so what the russians were able to get into was the unclassified. at least that's what we know right now. how they got in, we believe, at this stage is through a back door, which was called the state department. the state department has been suffering a number of what we call phishing expeditions by the russians and penetrated into the white house system. >> some of the information that the hackers were able to access included the president's nonpublic schedule. maybe not classified but clearly still sensitive in knowing the president's movements that aren't released to the public. there's a lot of that.
if they can access that part of the system, what else can they have access to? what's the range of possibility here? >> the unclassified world is big in terms of the president's schedule. of course his movement, his movement includes his family's movement. what the white house doesn't release every day is of course he's spending time with the girls or has a private dinner at home. those are just things that as the first lady you just don't want exposed to the public. and then there will be any e-mail communications. we don't know if they've been hacked that were not in the classified space. i keep making this distinction because it's important. a cybernetwork or a computer network has many different systems, backup systems and so the classified and unclassified are separated because most stuff is not going to be classified. it will be we're going to this meeting and talking about the labor numbers and we're talking about the environment. it's still relevant. it's still important.
there's a reason why we should be concerned because it shows that the russians are incredibly sophisticated and more importantly incredibly aggressive. >> let's talk about that. let's talk about sophisticated. i understand this is being called one of the most sophisticated attacks ever but done by what seems like one of the most primitive methods right now. it's a phishing expedition. you send a hoax e-mail and get someone to open it and a whole world of hurt comes out on you. that's how people down the street get hit by viruses or identity theft. it's not supposed to happen to the white house, is it? >> right. and obviously these systems are only as safe as their weakest link. so what we think happened is it's called sphere phishing. someone pretended to be an employee in the state department and got access into the state department system and somehow that was able to get the russians --phisticate
sophisticated. they didn't get caught during this process. they then penetrate into the white house system. it's as basic as what a lot of us might encounter when someone says can i have your social security number because i have an uncle in kenya who has money for you. so that means we have to be sophisticated in our defenses and sometimes sophistication is not technological know-how. it's just being smart. don't give your identification. change your password. all of those things. >> all right. julia, good to know. raises a lot of questions of what's going on in the government right now. >> evan perez says behind the scenes is the conversation do they call russia out publicly and shame you because we know. >> the reason you don't do that sometimes is because you're doing it, too. we'll see what happens. >> that's true. ahead for us "at this hour," an american soldier has been killed, shot with a machine gun by an afghan soldier. why and how did it happen?
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a u.s. service member has been killed in what appears to be an insider attack in afghanistan. defense officials say an afghan soldier opened fire on u.s. troops as they were guarding a u.s. delegation in jalalabad. a senior u.s. official just held a meeting with a regional governor at his compound when the gunfire erupted. >> other u.s. troops were also
injured in this attack. they belong to a nato led mission to train and support afghan troops. joining us now is cnn military analyst lieutenant analyst, lieutenant colonel rick francona. this is one of the so-called green-on-blue attacks that have been such a problem in afghanistan. they haven't happened for a while but plaguing the u.s. and nato mission there. is there anything you can do to keep this from happening? if the u.s. troops are there to train the afghan forces and it's one of the afghan guys who opens fire, how do you stop that? >> it's almost impossible. these incidents have really come down over the last few months and few years because we're not actually in a combat role right now. but as you said, the training mission is working with the afghans daily. it's important to underscore we still have young men and women at risk over there. i don't know how you stop this, john. we've pressured the afghans to
better vet their troops. that's helped somewhat. but it only takes one guy with a weapon to cause this kind of damage. unfortunately, very, very difficult toll defend against. >> very difficult to defend against but still in each case -- i think it was at its height in 2012. there were the most of these green-on-blue attacks. but in every case, everyone wonders, why did this happen, what is the motivation? is there any rhyme or reason -- there isn't, i'm sure, no motivation that anyone could fathom for this. but is there any reason that ever comes out what is behind these green-on-blue attacks to try to better understand how to combat it going forward? >> it's usually the individual has some problem with either the united states or his own personal life and he decides to strike out. and what better way to strike out than go after an american? usually we find that it's some sort of personal problem that that individual is undergoing.
as i said, very, very hard to detect and defend against. >> colonel, we understand the united states is speeding up its delivery of weapons to the saudis and their fight in yemen right now against the houthi rebels running that country. what do you make of that? is the u.s. getting more and more involved here? >> we have been involved in the background. we're coming a little more overt about it. this is something we need to do. yemen represents a real critical assault on the interest of saudi arabia. but more importantly, it affects us as well. al qaeda in the arabian peninsula is the most effective of the al qaeda affiliates. and now it's running around unchecked in the country. the yemenis are focused on their own internal squabbles between the houthis and the remnants of the al hadi government. so al qaeda is becoming stronger and breaking into prisons. this is a real problem for us. >> colonel, thanks so much.
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cvs health, because health is everything. president obama says your health could be at risk because of climate change. he sat down with our dr. sanjay gupta to talk about all of it. >> and sanjay is here with us to talk about all of it. sanjay, what exactly did the president say? what is the impact that the environment can have on our health? >> reporter: well, he sort of broadly reframed the conversation around climate change and global warming and really contextualizing it with public health saying there can be impacts specifically on all sorts of health problems, primarily breathing sorts of problems. he talked about this in a pretty personal way, dating back to when he started college in 1979 at occidental college.
he went there for two years before transferring to columbia. but around that time of his life, he started discussing this issue. >> when i first went to college in los angeles in 1979, the air was so bad, you couldn't go running outside. you'd have air quality alerts and people who had respiratory problems or were vulnerable had to stay inside. we took action and the air is l lot better. the same is true when it comes to climate change. >> reporter: so he's making somewhat of a personal story. his daughter, malia, also suffers from asthma. but he believes there's a correlation between rising temperatures and many of these public health problems, again, specifically respiratory problems. it's not a cause-and-effect relationship yet. we don't know. that takes decades to define that. but he says we need to act now, reduce carbon emissions. >> and normally when people talk
to the president about health issues, it's usually about obamacare. and the supreme court weighing another case that could derail aspects of his law. >> reporter: i asked him about that as well. it's obviously a big issue for him. this supreme court challenge is ongoing. i will tell you that he appeared very confident. not very worried that this is going to be a problem. at stake here is this idea that states that did not set up the state-based exchange, they're on exchanges, it's possible they could no longer be eligible for subsidies. so people in those states would lose their health care subsidies, their health care insurance if this particular statute was overturned. he didn't seem worried about that. he said, look, i think it's going to turn our way. i asked him if he had a plan "b." and he said he didn't have a plan "b." he said he doesn't expect it to be overturned. if it was overturned, millions of people would lose their
health insurance. and that would be a huge fundamental derailing of this act. >> sanjay, always great to see you and great to see you at the white house position. it's a beautiful setting right there behind you. >> reporter: yes, you know it well. >> exactly. great to see you. thank you so much. >> reporter: thank you. >> thanks for joining us. >> "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts now. hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." we are following breaking news out of south carolina. its police officer to accused murderer in the blink of an eye. a shooting near charleston igniting the debate over excessive force by police. officer michael sleger is behind bars right now and he's charged with the worst of the worst, first-degree murder. that for killing this unarmed man, 50-year-old walter