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>> i'm kate bolduan. at this hour investigators are poring over a key piece of evidence in the shooting death of an unarmed black man by a south carolina police officer. state investigators are examining dash cam video from the day officer michael slager shot and killed walter scott. slager has since been charged with murder and fired from the police department. >> we could get dash cam video any moment now. while we're waiting, the witness who took this video, feidin santana is speaking out. this morning he seemed to question claims from officer slager that there was a struggle over the taser that walter scott was trying to get his hands on. >> i saw that he was trying to get away from the taser. his reaction was, you know, to get away of the taser. >> was there a struggle over the taser that you saw? were they fighting over it? >> no. he never grabbed the taser.
>> let's bring in jason carroll on the ground in north charleston, south carolina. good morning, jason. what's the latest? >> reporter: first of all, obviously santana's video is going to be key to the investigations that are taking place here in south carolina. there are multiple investigations that are taking place. you've got the fbi. you've got the criminal investigation going on as well. you've got the south carolina law enforcement division. that state agency that is conducting the investigation, that is the one that a lot of people here, john, are focusing on. just a few moments ago i actually spoke to the spokesperson from that agency called s.l.e.d. for short, his name tom berry. when i asked him about what sort of evidence they have, specifically the dash cam videos. that seems to be the question in trms of how many dash cam videos are out there and what are on the videos. when i spoerk to berry, he said there are multiple dash cam
videos. he did confirm that he said in all likelihood most of those dash cam videos probably won't show that much simply because the officers who responded, they responded, most of them, after the shooting took place. the key dash cam video that's in question is the dash cam video from officer slager's car. skid him specifically about that. he said he had not seen that video as of yet. he did tell me a few things. he did say that from what he knows, he says in all likelihood that video may not show that much either. he says it probably shows the initial stop. both men in front of the car, likely shows that. it may not show the struggle because it's his belief that struggle took place a certain distance away from the car. so in all likelihood, even officer slager's dash cam video will probably just show the initial stop, both men in front of that car and then berry
believes both men running away from the car. it will still be an important piece of evidence in the investigation. i asked how long their investigation should take place. he said they won't be a timeline on it, not with a case as important as this one. they say they're not going to put a timeline on that. they're going to take their time to gather as much evidence as they can. once they have all that evidence, it will then be turned over to the prosecutor's office to proceed from there. john. >> jason carroll, as you said, even that initial moment being pulled over for the broken taillight. even that might shed new light on that. jason carroll, thank you so much. >> from that point being shot at eight times. local naacp in charleston, south carolina, holding a press event. let's hear what they have to say. >> all black hands that died at hands in south carolina -- but still struggle emotionally,
suffer with them. mr. scott's death shows what happens when racial profiling yields the worst possible result. racial profiling is still chronic and egregious across south carolina. in fast five years, 209 police officers in our state have fired at suspects, but only a handful have been accused of doing so illegally, and none have been convicted. it's time for a change. our hope is that mr. scott's death and the video that left no option but a murder charge is the catalyst for that change. the charleston branch of the naacp will continue to fight for change. we recommend two specific steps to promote that change. we urge our state legislators to stop dragging its feet on legislation proposed by senator marlon kempson and
representative wendell guilard. as mr. scott's case shows, videos don't lie. we also urge governor nikki haley to advocate for that law so black man can say, as she likes to say, it is a great day in south carolina. we also urge united states attorney william neatless to not only look at mr. scott's case, but work with the united states department of justice to review and thoroughly investigate the policy and practice of the north charleston police department, the charleston police department and the charleston county sheriff's department especially when it comes to racial shootings and physical nvolved - altercations. body cameras and that thorough review will make it easy for many good law enforcement officers to do their job, lessen the chance that any other black men will be used for target
practice as mr. scott was. it will hopefully make ours a safe and more just community and hopefully eliminate the need for press conferences like this one. thank you. that's our statement. >> questions. >> you hear there from the south carolina chapter of the naacp, them making recommendations they would like to see put in place going forward to try to avoid this horrible situation from happening again. one thing they brought up is something that's definitely become a huge part of the conversation now, is the use of body cameras. they're calling for legislation for body cams to be required by all law enforcement in south carolina. we know in the city of north charleston, the mayor said due to a grant and executive action, they're going to be putting that in place. that does take time. that's going to be happening in the town where walter scott was killed. >> we'll get back to north charleston in a moment, but first we have new developments this morning in the nuclear deal with iran, maybe some new
complications. iran's president rouhani says his nation with sign the deal only if economic sanctions are lifted the same day. the u.s. says the removal of any sanctions would have to come in phases. >> this statement comes after weeks and months of negotiations between the united states, other world powers and iran. the framework agreement then was announced just last week. senior international correspondent nic robertson is looking at all of this for us. didn't president rouhani go as far as to say that all sanctions against the country needed to be lifted all at once? >> reporter: and right at the get-go, before iran committed anything on the ground. one of the things it's supposed to do is to give weapons -- rather inspectors access to facilities in the country. that's a statement to be built in to the final agreement. iran is really wanting to get its cake before it paid for it, if you will. certainly that's not going to be something that will be
particularly easy for president obama to sell. what president rouhani has said today is that, come that final agreement, the 30th of june, he will only sign up to it if there's an agreement to lift all the sanctions. the supreme leader in iran today said he didn't mind if the deal worked or p the agreement didn't work. that's not a ringing endorsement. iran definitely for its own internal cell, putting out a strong and tough line. the reality is with sanctions there are many, many different types of sanctions. unilateral between some countries and iran, some countries are buying less oil. the united states asked them to do that, japan and canada, for example. you also have u.n. sanctions, weapon sanctions on iran, european union sanctions on iran. there is an opportunity to phase down some sanctions and not others. it doesn't sound like that's what rouhani is talking about here. >> i know you know it as well. a lot of politics, not only when
it comes to this issue in the united states, but politics in iran as well that they're speaking about when these leaders take to microphones. nic robertson, thank you. also happening for us, a second full day of deliberations is under way in the eric hernandez murder trial deliberations. the jury has been behind closed doors for 10 1/2 hours since tuesday in the case involving the former nfl star and the death of his friend odin lloyd. >> potentially key requests from the jury. they asked for a list of the more than 400 exhibits in the case. they also asked for clarification regarding one of the weapons possession charges against hernandez. want to bring in a person covering this case probably more closely than any other reporter, susan candiotti. good morning, susan. >> reporter: good morning, john. it's almost close to 11 hours they've been deliberating at this time. but it appears they seem to be concentrating on the two weapons charges first, that's a
possibility, instead of the murder charges, either first degree premeditated murder or second degree murder. that's because of the notes, about four or five of them so far. one of them asking about weapons possession. that's one of the gun charges that's before them, wanting to know whether you have to have the intent to use a weapon, in this case .45 caliber weapon or do you just have to be in possession of it. you see the kind of minutia that has to be addressed when juries are deliberating any case. they have been mainly going over a lot of housekeeping issues in the first couple of days, asking, as you said, for that laundry list of 440 exhibits. in fact, yesterday they were still asking for a laptop that had to have the wi-fi disabled so that they could view some of the many videotapes that has been shown to the jury. so you see the complications that are involved.
john and kate, there's no telling, of course, how long the deliberations could continue. >> meticulous questioning, perhaps giving a sense that this jury wants to understand exactly what the instructions are, exactly how they will decide going forward. susan candiotti, thank you so much. appreciate it. ahead at this hour, walter scott was unarmed and shot five times in the back, his death at the hands of a police officer has pushed a critical question back into the questions. when is an officer justified using deadly force against a suspect who is running away? the answer is crucial in the murder case against officer michael slager. >> what about hifs family? they're speaking out, desperate for answers. we'll speak to his brother about that individual oerks how he got his hands on it so early.
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. with new questions in sack sack surrounding the shooting of unarmed black man by former officer officer slager. how might officer slager's attorneys be able to defend him? >> will they be able to show he was justified in shooting walter scott as walter scott ran away? when is the use of deadly force by an officer against a fleeing suspect justified? that's the key question here. legal analyst paul callan is here, former homicide prosecutor and current criminal defense attorney. tom bernie, former nypd detective and now law enforcement consultant. this is porptd because it very much gets to the core of this pending case.
paul, we could go real deep into history books and legal jargon. this gets back to a supreme court case in '85 that got to the key question of when is an officer justified in shooting a suspect who is fleeing. this is a burglary suspect that at supreme court got to. this is a traffic stop here. somewhat the legal basis? >> up until 1985, the doctrine called the fleeing felon doctrine was that, if you committed a felony and the police were pursuing you, they could shoot you down if you tried to escape. it arose from the middle ages when all cases were punishable by death. you could shoot somebody if they were a fell len or suspect pd of being a felon. in 1985 the supreme court said no, that's unconstitutional, unconstitutional to take someone's life under those circumstances. unless the fleeing felon is a substantial risk to the life of the police officer or arguably
to other people in the community, only then can you use deadly physical force to subdue them. >> paul, let me ask you to further explain this in a way that is permanent to this. obviously in ferguson, missouri, we saw officer darren wilson did not face charges for his altercation with michael brown. he shot and killed a fleeing suspect. here in south carolina we see an officer facing charges immediately now that the video has been released. explain to me the difference in these cases from a legal perspective. >> i think it's a great question because ferguson has become emblematic of a police use of excessive force, particularly against african-americans and people of color. but when you look at the facts of ferguson, radically different than the facts here. originally people thought that the cop in ferguson had shot michael brown in the back. he was fleeing at the time and he wasn't endangering the officer. even a department of justice investigation that was done
confirmed that that wasn't true. in fact, he was shot -- michael brown was shot as he was approaching the officer. the officer said he felt threatened, and that there had been a struggle for his gun. now let's look in south carolina. what we know now, and we don't know everything, but we know from that videotape that we've seen that this man was shot in the back, five times i'm hearing. we haven't seen an autopsy report. he's a good distance from the officer, doesn't seem to be posing a physical threat to the officer or anybody else at that point. it clearly looks, if you apply the fleeing felon doctrine, like an excessive use of force. >> apply that then to a cop on the street. how are police officers trained? how do you translate that legal framework to training a police officer when you are face down with a split-second decision? >> that's an interesting point that you just made. all of these incidents including ferguson occurred in a matter of
seconds. you're talking about a potential life changing circumstance. that can be very well the life of the officer as well. officer safety is always paramount. if the officer becomes disabled or killed, the weapons and tools they have in their utility belt become open for anybody, especially the perpetrator. in south carolina, clearly there were more options available to this officer. so i think it's stunning everyone in the law enforcement community because he could have chased after the guy, called for backup, could have gotten this guy another day. >> it was a traffic stop. >> tom, obviously you weren't there and you have more time to analyze it. did it look like the officer faced an imminent threat? did it look like that man walter scott posed an imminent threat to the community as he was running away? >> he was initially stopped for traffic infraction, then found he was wanted on a warrant for
unpaid child support. at that point he was under arrest. he couldn't let him go. he was going to have to place him under arrest. at that point they were some distance from the car stop to where they wound up, and where the video picks up, they're struggling. there's a bit of a struggle and he takes off. when he takes off, at that point again, was it necessary for him to turn around and fire five or six or seven consecutive shots? >> you would say no? >> i would have to say no. i just don't see, based on what we know. >> this is exactly what his new attorneys because his original teens left the case. the new attorneys are having to figure out how to lay this out. paul callan, tom verni, thank you. up next, the secret service, new issues, knew accusations. this time a female agent is making accusations against a high ranking supervisor. what she is saying next.
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new embarrassing accusations against the secret service today. "the washington post" reporting a female employee has accused a supervisor and making unwanted sexual advances. this follows a series of mishaps already facing the agency. >> let's lay out the history there. there was a gunman firing the shot in 2011, the white house fence jumper, the officers driving through that active bomb investigation, charges they had been drinking, a prostitution scandal. it goes on and on and on. joining us now with these new
allegations white house correspondent michelle kosinski. good morning, michelle. >> reporter: hi, john. these details came out in "the washington post." the secret service isn't denying them, but not really saying much about this. the secret service director immediately spent this to the inspector general's office to fully investigate it. the details that came out in the press were that this senior supervisor within the security clearance area of the secret service, he decides who gets security clearance and who doesn't, was at an after-hours party celebrating him. he was getting a promotion. a woman co-worker who was his subordinate claims at the party he told her that he loved her, that he wanted to sleep with her and that later when they arrived back at the office after this party he tried to kiss her, grabbed her arms and that they scuffled. she then later reported it to the secret service and it escalated from there. that's what's being claimed. he now though -- immediately the
secret service say they took action, put him on administrative leave, removed his security clearance, took away his gun and badge and now this whole thing is under investigation. the secret service director who was new and was tasked with cleaning up the secret service, he's been under scrutiny because of this. as we know, in these past incidents, and there have been many of them, congress who has also investigated what's going on in the secret service has said that there needs to be somebody from the outside. so this latest incident is just going to raise those same questions again of what is wrong within the secret service, within the culture that these incidents that in some cases seem to be stranger fan fiction keep happening, and why isn't it being cleaned up sooner? why hasn't someone come out to say there's a zero tolerance policy. why hasn't the secret service director answered certain questions that congress felt were important to answer and so
on and so on. so one more case for the inspector general to investigate here. >> absolutely. michelle kosinski at the white house for us, thank you so much. >> one more problematic party for the secret service, also. >> exactly. ahead "at this hour," walter scott's brother will be joining us. we'll get his reaction when now that the only known eyewitness to his brother's death is speaking out.
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at this hour we're hearing key details from the man who took this very important cell phone video, video that shows a police officer fatally shooting a fleeing unarmed man in the back in north charleston, south carolina. the man who shot the video, feidin santana says this, he saw them struggling on the ground, the officer appeared to have control of the situation according to santana. also santana says he never saw the victim, walter scott, grab the officer's taser, a claim former officer michael slager has made. >> i saw that he was trying to get away of the taser. his reaction was just, you know, to get away of the taser.
>> was there a struggle over the taser that you saw? were they fighting over it? >> no. he never grabbed the taser. >> was there a struggle over the taser? no, no. that is key. this all started when scott was pulled over for a broken taillight. he allegedly ran from his car, possibly worried about an outstanding warrant for not paying child support. joining us to talk about this, the victim's brother rodney scott and also chris stewart the family's attorney. gentlemen, thank you for being with us. rodney, we're very sorry for your loss. i want to ask for your reaction, first of all, to the sound we just heard from feidin santana saying he did not see a struggle for the taser. we know michael slager based his whole justification for shooting your brother on the notion that there was a struggle for the taser. your reaction? >> i was just floored, in total disbelief of the fact that he
would say that there was a struggle, and then when i saw that there wasn't a struggle, i was so broken. it really for me apart to hear and know that he would lie -- make a statement like that that wasn't true. >> because you had heard the charges, you had heard what the officer said and then you saw this video for yourself, isn't that right? >> yes, i did. >> when you saw that video, i know we've heard from other members of your family that it was just too hard to take. your mother spoke with anderson cooper saying she couldn't even watch the whole thing. did you, yourself, watch the whole thing? >> i tried to, but it was hard to watch it. >> at this point -- >> feel like i'm going to pass out. >> are you okay?
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just before we went to break, we cut the interview short with rodney scott, walter scott's younger brother. he was not feeling well. he's unable to continue with the interview. it's clear the emotional and at this point the physical toll taking on the family. we wanted to make sure to let you know he appears to be okay. he didn't feel comfortable coming back on. we'll get back to the family. we are with them and final for them at this time as they're trying to get their story out. obviously it's taking such a toll on him.
>> he told us he was floored when he first saw that video and how it contradicted what he had been told by the officers. at this hour we're on verdict watch in the trial of aaron hernandez. the jury is in its second full day of deliberations, deciding whether to convict the former nfl star of first degree murder. his defense team says he witnessed the killing but did not commit the crime. the jury did have questions for the judge. so now the question is are they having trouble making up their minds. >> let's bring in legal analyst criminal defense attorney paul callan, as well, legal analyst mel robbins. we're looking at this, almost 11 hours into deliberating, there have been questions coming back. before we get to those questions -- they are technical. are you surprised they have been deliberating this long after this nine-week-long case?
>> no, not at all surprised. it's a complicated case, a circumstantial case where each piece of physical evidence has to be evaluated. this is a reasonable amount of time for the jury to deliberate in the case. >> mel, let's get to questions the jury has been asking about. there are a couple things they've asked about, the definition, if you will, of constructive position, what that means -- possession. i'm sorry. constructive possession, what that means with regards to a weapons charge. what does that suggest to you that the jury is really getting into? >> what the jury really is getting indicate, john, is the details. they're looking at the law, in this case both for the joint venture liability, the law governing how they're trying to convict him on the murder charges, the constructive possession of the gun. and don't forget there's also a
charge related to possessing ammunition. they're looking at the kind of vol luted way the law is written. there are jury instructions. of course, you have over 400 pieces of evidence. as paul rightly said, this is a very complicated circumstantial case that had over 100 witnesses in it, 400 pieces of evidence. so they're struggling. what they're struggling with is probably conflicting opinions inside of the jury room and what jurors often do, they seek clarification from a judge on the instructions when there isn't a clear path forward in the discussions, guys. >> it's also interesting, too. this could be a bit of a split between what the prosecution and defense is presenting here. they want to know if it's just enough to have the weapon or did you mean to use it to kill somebody. based on the closing arguments, the question is was aaron hernandez just there, a
bystander to this murder or was he there helping and watching and being a part of a murder. these sort of passive versus active questions, paul, may be central to this entire case. >> yes. i give the jury credit here because the whole concept is when the case started, was that hernandez was the shooter because he was seen taking what they thought was a gun out of his belt when he drives his car back to his house. now with the defense saying and changing their theory essentially and saying, oh, yeah, he was there. but when the shooting started, he panicked and didn't know what to do, he wasn't the shooter. the jury is asking a big question, can you constructively possess a weapon if there was another shooter but they all together planned the murder? this indicates to me they understand the law. i'll tell you one other thing about jury questions which is why, don't read too much into them. i've had cases where it was 11-1 in favor of conviction, or i've had another one opposed to conviction and there's one juror
holding out saying no, i don't think so. they say, all right, we're going to ask the judge a question about possession because you're wrong on that, and that's used to convince the holdout. >> a question is just a question until you have a verdict. >> you don't know who is asking the question. >> that's exactly right. mel, a lot of the conversation now, when you say -- and everyone agrees this is largely a circumstantial case, circumstantial evidence in this case, do you think it's becoming increasingly likely or less that aaron hernandez could walk? >> well, you know, it is a major question that a lot of us are talking about around kitchen tables and in restaurants. here's the thing. what you have to understand is in a joint venture liability case where they're claiming -- they don't have to prove who pulled the trigger, they do have to prove one thing, though. they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that hernandez shared the intent of the people that pulled the trigger.
>> that seems difficult. >> it's very difficult. it's very difficult. what the defense just said is he was there, he witnessed it, but he wasn't in on it. so the question is going to become, does all the circumstantial evidence that we were all analyzing and saying, of course it puts him at the scene, of course he was involved in it, now they're going to take a focus and look at it and say, well, does all this circumstantial evidence, the bubble gum, the shell casing, the shoe print, the joint with the dna at the scene, the video image of him pulling out a gun in his house. of course the defense is saying tifs an ipad. does that prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he shared the intent behind what happened there of killing him, or was he just a bystander? for me personally, i don't think two people would be killing somebody else in front of aaron hernandez and then going back to his house and casually hanging out if they didn't think aaron
hernandez agreed with what they were doing. so i do think they have enough. but it will be close. it's a very difficult case to prove. >> and that it's also gone on for nine weeks, over 100 witnesses, 400 pieces of evidence. >> great defense lawyers putting up a lot of arguments. i've heard they've outlawyered the prosecutors. in my experience, the facts determine cases. great lawyers can move the needle a little bit, but in the end, the facts determine. >> the jury is deliberating as we speak. >> paul callan, mel, thanks so much. the robbery that has british authorities scratching their heads. ours, too. >> don't touch that hair. >> don't touch that hair. how did thieves get power tools into the heart of london's diamond trade, safe deposit boxes and they made away with millions and millions of dollars.
at this moment president obama is in jamaica meeting the country's prime minister, this comes before he heads to the summit of the americas in panama where cuban president raul castro will be present. >> visiting the bob marley museum. this is the best part of his presidential journey. but first let's talk about other
thin things. the president and the white house going to great nds to prove relakeses with cuba. that will be the topic of discussion on coming days. he could run into cuba's leader raul castro. it's likely they will see each other, will exchange greetings. >> they will have an interaction. >> like half my relationships in high school. let's bring in senior white house correspondent joe johns. give us an update on what's going on down there. >> reporter: hey, john. well, at this hour the president of the united states is meeting before the cameras with jamaican prime minister portia simpson miller, graduate of the john f. kennedy school of harvard university, member of the people's national party. this is the type of meeting that perhaps the most important thing for the president of the united
states is simply showing up in jamaica. this is the first visit of a sitting u.s. president in this country since 1982. it's been a very long time. now, the expectation is, yes, that the president will have some type of interaction with raul castro. although there is no formal meeting actually scheduled. still, senior white house aides have suggested they do have a formal agenda prepared for the president should he meet castro there in panama and discuss things with him face to face. earlier today, an interview was released with one of the leading spanish language news agencies. the president was ask whether he and castro would get together and announce the reopening of embassies in havana as well as washington d.c. the president said in that interview that diplomats are making progress toward that
goal. and he does anticipate that those embassies will open. but he did not say when and there was no forward-looking statement about meeting with raul castro. back to you. >> joe johns, thanks to much. the president expected to comment on world issues. might comment on what's going on in south carolina. if that does happen, we'll bring it to you immediately. a head for us, a safe deposit heist. turns out they weren't safe at all. unbelievable robbery out of london. the thieves made off with an estimated $300 million. how did they do it? but first, a look at the newest innovations. we're going to see a new app that is wildly successful and controversial. >> 24-year-old tyler are the founders of yik yak.
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all right. this morning, what a crime in london. this thing is nuts. authorities are looking for about $300 million worth of cash, diamonds and other jewels. >> this is not your basic smash and grab robbery either. police say the thieves raided dozens of safety depositive it boxes and used heavy cutting equipment to get in there in the first place. phil, number one, there are a lot of folks who had a safe deposit box there and it probably has that company scratching its head how this could happen. what is happening there? >> reporter: well, it's pretty extraordinary, really. i guess that's what makes this such an amazing crime.
not just the location, the heart of london's diamond district, but really what is supposed to be the most secure site within it. the police let us in on a few more details, what they've seen inside. they say the elevator shaft was really key. they say the thieves were able to disable that second elevator on the second floor. they got through the outer door, broke through that. on the vault itself, they use add high powered drill to actually bore into the wall which is 2 meters thick made of reinforced concrete. the police also described what they saw inside the vault. take a listen. >> the scene still remains chaotic down there. the vault is covered in dust and debris and the floor is strewn with safety deposit boxes and numerous power tools. >> reporter: so lots of forensic
evidence left lined in that vault for the police to examine closely. but all of that equipment, all of that effort, it suggests it was a lot of work, a lot of destruction, a lot of moiz over potentially a long period of time. they're investigating a period of thursday night to tuesday morning. it appears all of that destruction was carried out without anybody noticing. >> it's hardly tellthy when you hear numerous power tools. this thing must have been going on for hours and hours and days with all kinds of loud banging. how is it that no one noticed? >> reporter: well, that's the extraordinary thing. not stealthy at all. that four-day period, this part of town really shuts down. none of the businesses are open. there's not a lot of residential homes here. the streets are empty. they're largely underground.
clearly, yes, a lot of noise, a lot of destruction. it seems that no one noticed, john. >> noticing now. i'm going to start saying, forget saying debris, i'm now going to say debris forever. that's it for us today. >> "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now. hello everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. and welcome. this is "legal view." at this hour, we have brand new information about that fatal encounter between a south carolina police officer and a man he pulled over for a broken taillight. now details about what happened in the moments before that shooting happened. and it comes from the bravy witness who shot this video, a video that could ex-pose a possible murder. that's the charge and so far, it's the story. in the meantime, the north charleston pic