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that and his reaction to video from immediately before dash cam video from north charleston video michael slager's patrol car showing the traffic stop that led to the chase that ended in what feidi nerksn santana retorted. also slager has been fired. that happened yesterday. now in jail on murder charges. late today, the south carolina state law enforcement division or sled released the dash cam video. we put subtitled portions of it to get a better sense of what was unfolding. take a look.
>> can i see your license, registration and insurance card sir? >> me and my neighbor -- >> start with your license. >> i got my license. >> okay let's start with your license. the reason for the stop is because your third brake light is out. >> oh, okay. >> you don't have insurance on your car? [ inaudible ]
>> so mr. scott is obviously running. we're showing the rest of the video separately without subtitles because we're not sure what exactly is being said but officer slager appears to be out of the vehicle and appears to be saying taser, taser, taser and then 25 seconds later, get on the ground. take a look and listen. you can decide for yourself.
>> get on the ground! get on the ground. get on the ground. >> now the video does not show the actual shooting nor does it show the scuffle or struggle or altercation that proceeded the gunfire. it does give us a window on the incident tonight we did not have until today. let's get the panel's take on it. joining us cnn legal analyst mark geragos and nypd harry houck and ny times charles blow. does it change anything? >> not as far as the shooting is concerned. looks like the typical stop. he was courteous, asked him for information and asked questions, apparently something wrong with the car or insurance or registration and the officer is going back to the vehicle and looks like he was probably going to run him for warrants and i think this is why the gentleman
had got out of the vehicle and ran. because i believe he owes $18,000. >> support payments. there's another person in the vehicle that did not run. they remain in the vehicle. mark what about what you're seeing? you've been saying all along this is evidence of broader police misconduct. this is just one video that we happen to have there are larger issues here. the traffic stop itself before mr. scott started running seems fairly benign no? >> yeah of course it is. it's doing nothing but rousing a guy. you see a black guy in a mercedes pull him over. concoct the idea there's a brake light, a third brake light violation so you can pull him over and rouse him and see what you can get. it's a pretext stop we use in the law and people wonder why people in these communities that are on the receiving end have no respect for law enforcement.
this is precisely why. i will tell you something. if not for the other video that showed what actually happened, the police department's releasing of this video would have fed into everybody's narrative that oh my god, the officer was chasing after somebody who was dangerous and left for and fled blah blah blah. if you didn't have the video that you're showing on the screen right now, this shooting would have been found to have been within policy. he would not be in custody today. and we wouldn't be covering this. >> mark there is forensic evidence though. i'm not saying the video doesn't make all the difference in the world, frankly. but, you know, i talked to the attorney for the family yesterday who said look there is forensic evidence. there would have been forensic evidence of this man being shot multiple times in the back. maybe been a more difficult case but i don't know you can say blanketedly. >> no but what would have happened anderson i've had
this time and time again. even when the police shoot somebody in the back they always concoct the idea that the person was turning, that they were looking. >> how can you say? >> i saw something -- >> how could you say it could happen? >> just hold on. let him finish. >> they would say that's exactly what the script is that the cops give they know what to say and say i saw him reaching for a waistband. i saw something shimmer. i saw some kind of photo movement. >> i want to bring in charles. charles, does the dash cam video, does it change for you the dynamic at all here? >> no for me. there's only one question. mr. scott is dead. if he was killed in the most dishonorable way a person can be killed which is shot in the back while you are fleeing from someone, so you can't, until you can show me something, anybody can show me something that posed a threat to the person that killed him, none of that changes it. and i think we run a danger of
getting deep into the weeds when we start trying to litigate people's lives when they are no longer alive. that is what the justice system is for. is to litigate people's lives when they are alive. there are justice remedies for all of the things that mr. scott is alleged to have done wrong and not saying he didn't do things wrong, but there are justice remedies and none of them include a death sentence. >> the other thing about it charles, i've gotten tweets from people saying you shouldn't run from police. there's no i don't care how much you ran for police. no justification for shooting someone in the back. >> no justification. >> and even just from a, again, i'm not a police officer, but he's not the fastest runner in the world. it's not as if they could have let him, he had some back child support payments. they could have let him go. they had his license and had his name. >> this is unfortunately, and you can speak more to this than i can. this is unfortunately part of the occupation of being a police officer.
sometimes, unfortunately, suspects will flee and you have there's ways to deal with that and they're not to shoot them in the back. we've seen this. helicopter footage of people fleeing and how they deal with it. we've seen this before. they don't shoot them in the back right? people sometimes resist arrest. that happens in the line of being a police officer. there are ways to deal with that. it is not to kill them on the street. >> completely different. the gentleman wanted to run. and in light of everything that happened and i don't want to say the wrong thing here but this gentleman would be alive today if he stayed in the car as the officer told. we look back at the three big incidents that's happened resisting arrest right, what it does is it escalates something to the police officer, all right, and the alleged perpetrator. now, like i said this officer should not have shot that man in the back. i hope he goes to jail for the rest of his life for what he
did. it was totally wrong. but we wouldn't be talking right now if he stayed in the car, issued get a summons issued to him and arrested for the warrant. >> but it pushes us towards making caveats for killers. >> it's though. >> that is a problem. there are ways to deal with fleeing suspects that is not to shoot them. >> i am first of all. i agree with that 100%. >> a tremendous amount -- >> mark mark. go ahead. >> i am taking harry, i think i heard exactly what you said. you just blame the victim. you just said if he was alive today. he would be alive today if the guy hadn't shot him in the back. harry. he would be alive if he -- what if he had stayed in the car? >> you can't say and i know for a fact. if he stayed in the car, he would be alive today.
>> mark i think it's in the same realm you could say -- >> not shot him. >> you could say he was alive had the police officer not decided to pull him over for a third taillight. >> for a bogus third brake light violation. >> right. i don't know what a third brake light violation is. >> he made the turn -- >> harry. harry, when he made the turn i saw -- [ talking over each other ] look at the video of the brake light and boy, harry, was that a dangerous situation. pull over cars. >> harry, you -- harry, chill for a second. you and i do not exist in a community where we get roused for brake lights being out. that's not the reality of it. we're not the ones who get rousted like that. it's easy for you to say, wow, he should have just done this. he should have been --
[ talking over each other ] he should have been a good black man and been rousted. >> i don't -- we -- >> this idea he should just get rousted is ridiculous. >> we got to take a break. but i don't want to leave the conversation with the idea saying this shooting was justified. i mean all along from the beginning, he has said, you know this officer should go to jail. this man was shot in the back. regardless of what you think about this. all right, we're going to take a break. much more to talk about. coming up next we're going to hear more from the young man who took the video and we're going to hear as well from officer's slager's mom and also bring you up to the minute on other late developments including what the dash cam video shows about the man who is riding in the car with mr. scott. we haven't heard much about that. we'll talk about that ahead.
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new developments in the north charleston police killing of walter scott. the dash cam video a bit later tonight. the mother of the fire officer now facing a murder charge and my conversation with feidin santana, without whose video many believe none of this would be happening right now. we spoke just before air time. here's part one of that special.
so feidin i'm not sure if you had a chance to see the dash camera footage. we've now seen mr. scott's leaving the vehicle, running from the police officer. at what point did you first see him and the officer? >> i saw right after the first cruiser and they went inside. i was in the parking lot. i was witnessing everything. >> what's the first thing you saw happen between them? >> i went to the scene and mr. scott was already on the ground. the the cop was on top of him. and he was just taser him, taser mr. scott. >> you could hear the taser? >> yes, yeah. i hear the taser. like i say, i can hear the sound. i didn't know how a taser sound, but knew it was something like
electric sound. >> to be clear, was mr. scott on the ground being tased in you said the officer was over him? >> yes, yes. he was on the ground. and the officer was taser him. >> and then mr. scott got -- >> mr. scott never tried to fight, to fight back with the officer or nothing. he just try to get away from him. and the cop and the taser. >> did you ever see mr. scott grabbing the taser? that's what the officer said happened. >> no never seen that. >> after the shooting a lot of people probably would have run away. were you scared? because you went toward them. you got closer and you were actually saying things. >> yes. i was. at that moment i honestly
wasn't scared. i didn't fear anything. just, you know there was something i never imagined that would have happened and maybe that was the reason why i didn't -- why i wasn't scared of this. >> when officer slager after shooting mr. scott, he then runs back and picks up something. and it's difficult to make out exactly what it is in the video. it could be the taser. it could be something else. was it clear to you what it was? >> no. it wasn't clear at all. as i say, i believe it was the taser. >> but you're not 100% sure. you can't say for sure. >> no i'm not 100% sure. no i'm not 100% sure the object he pick up. >> and then when he dropped something, which seems, whether it's the object he had picked up or not, he dropped something
near mr. scott's body. were you able to see what that is for sure? >> no. like i say, what i can think is just the taser. but after capture the part of him dropping an object near the victim. just saw that video where he shows, the media have possession of it. >> and feidin i know you just met walter scott's mom, judy. she's a remarkable lady. i talked to her yesterday visiting with her in north charleston last night and i asked her about you. and i want to play for you and our viewers what she said about you. what do you think of the person who came forward with this video? >> he was there. god planned that. he's the ram in the bush. i truly believe that.
>> because some people would have been scared and run away. he not only stayed he approached the police officers to get closer and closer video. have you been able to talk to him? have you thanked him? >> no. >> what would you want to say to him? >> i would want to thank him for what he did. >> feidin what was it like to meet her this evening? >> they didn't know what was going to happen when i met with them. but as soon as i went in there, i just overrun by emotions and i just started crying for her. i felt a big connection with her. she's a person that you can tell she's very spiritual and like i say, i'm a person of believing in god also. and i think, you know, she was right. she's right, you know god put me there for a reason. >> do you have any doubt if you had not been there videotaping,
do you have any doubt officer slager would still be on the force right now? would still be out there? >> well just by reading the police report it seems that the truth wasn't coming out. wasn't going to be told to the people and to the family. like i say. and after the video, after this evidence that's when everything changed. so i believe if i didn't show this video, everything would have stayed the same. >> and finally, what is it like? what was it like when you know you have this video, you know you've seen what you seen and you hear from the police their version of events the initial version of events and you know what they're saying is not what happened? what does that feel like?
>> like i say, it's something that you have to think about. as soon as i saw that it wasn't easy for me just by knowing i have possession of something that is against what the law are saying and what the media, all of them on the media are covering and just saying that version of the police officer and you know you have in your hands possession of something that is showing the opposite. it's something, like i said very deadifficult for me to have that information. >> more of my conversation with feidin ahead including whether mr. santana found anyone doing cpr on walter scott. also tonight, a man who accused michael slager of using excessive force two years ago. we find out how the complaint was handled then.
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killing of walter scott. and he said how it felt to be in possession of something that showed something different than what was being shown. todd rutherford. are you sure the officers didn't try to perform cpr on mr. scott? i know the officer said that they did. was there a time that you stopped recording at any moment that you might have missed anything? >> no. i stopped recording and after i stopped recording, i stay there a couple of minutes. and never witnessed cpr to the victim. never witnessed that. >> and did the police ever ask to see your video once they became aware of it? one would assume if the officer was confident that the shooting was justified, the officers on the scene i'm talking about, they could have said well
look we need to talk to that guy. did they ever try to reach out to you? >> at the scene, yes. one of the officers told me to stop but it was because i say to them that what they did was an abuse and i witnessed everything. and i had it recorded. like i say, after that just say to me to wait there. you know i believe it was to question. so question me like i say. i don't know what was going to happen and then yeah. >> did you wait there or did you leave by then? >> no, i left right away. i just left to my work.
>> and you brought the video to the family. you did not bring the video to the police. some people would have said why not bring it to the police? i think it's very obvious why you might not have done that but -- >> he did bring it to the police. i called the lieutenant for sled. sled is the state police that investigates officer-involved shootings. that came and retrieved a copy of the video, correct. they came and retrieved a body copy of the video and then later, slager was issued for arrest. >> harry houck, charles blow, mark geragos. it's interesting saying in a press release there were early suspicions raised by their investigators within hours in advance as to what exactly took place because the public sure didn't hear anything and the media didn't hear anything about the alleged suspicions until
this video was released. >> well what else are they going to say? oh boy, we bought it hook line and sinker? it's nothing more than a cover-up. it was a cover-up that started there on the video. it was a cover-up that started when they were releasing the articles. there was an article i had read i think in the post dispatch the day after this that made it seem as if walter scott struggled and tried to grab for the gun and everything else all the script they usually, the cops usually give. they put that out in the press. if there were any doubts where were they on the day after? the only time there were any doubts is when everybody was scrambling like little cockroaches after this video showed up. >> charles, you wrote in the times today. said body cameras worn by police would, quote, have an impact on policy and culture but the change in culture must be bigger than both. what do you mean by that what
change in culture? >> i think, you know we spoke on equipment and i think equipment can be helpful. but i believe you have a culture in which people who may be prone to aggression and use of violence may be attractive to become police officers and you have a situation in police forces is when something does go wrong, not enough people step up to the plate and say, you know what? this is wrong. i have to say something. i am not going to stand by you. you're my brother and in the force but i'm not going to stand by you because i believe this is wrong and keeps saying there's so many good cops out there. we have the start hearing from them and start seeing the fruit of that because until that starts to happen the culture doesn't happen. we always focus on the idea of there's a no snitching culture in the communities and if that was one of the most disturbing parts of the ferguson report was there were so many people really
reticent about coming forward because their narrative did not line up with the community consensus. this is the same thing. it's just a glove turned inside out. if you are not willing to step up and also snitch then why are you then saying that this is a bad thing with the community but you won't do it yourself? because you're setting a poor example yourselves. >> i even hate that term snitching because -- >> that's just a term. >> it's the truth. >> it's being honorable, it's being humane. >> what about the blue wall of silence? >> the blue wall of silence is probably something definitely evident in the police departments a long time ago. i can tell you from experience and of course one officer snitches another officer for something he did, we're not talking about it here on anderson cooper. we're not going to hear about it. when i worked internal affairs -- >> you worked internal affairs?
>> yes, we have an action desk called 24/7 and people answered. about 50% of the calls were from other officers. they might have been afraid to say something because that cop has got to back me up tomorrow. and they would call drop the dime on another officer and then would get a code number so we would know who they are to identify them later on. all right and then conduct an investigation. and a lot of people -- >> whether doctors, communities protect their own. >> doctors, lawyers, everyone does it. police officers tend to do it. so do probably news reporters. [ talking over each other ] when's the last time you read an article? >> now we're moving into my area. this is exactly what happens. we understand happens and you do something really wrong, you hurt
my reputation and hurt all of us. so people are very quick in this industry to say, i want to have nothing to do with you. and i think the police officers have much more difficult jobs than we do on a physical level, in terms of threats. but i do believe that some of that ethos has to migrate into the police force because you have to say the same thing. you are hurting my ability to do my job. people are not going to want to cooperate with me because you have done something. it hurts civic. >> i'm agreeing with you 100%. i agree with you 100% on that issue and like i say, there was a large blue wall of silence back in the day. that is cracking. i'm telling right now, it's cracking. >> mark geragos, charles blow harry houck. tornadoes in iowa illinois ohio. the latest on the severe weather in just moment. the future of the market is never clear. but at t. rowe price
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shooting. a security guard was wounded and has been taken to the hospital and we should warn you, information is very sketchy at this point and as you know the earliest reports in these active shooting situations are often incorrect. according to our local affiliate wjla a gunman is still barricaded inside the census facility is considered according to wjla an active shooter situation. people on the scene have been reporting hearing large bangs, district police saying this may have started as some kind of armed kidnapping. those are all the details we have. back with former nypd detective harry houck. you trained folks in active shooting situations. i've been reading a lot of fbi studies of active shooter situations which have been increasing over the last five or six years. much of the killing in active shooter situations takes place within the first several minutes. >> right, the first two minutes usually and usually when most active shooters have the police coming they don't want to
really confront them. they shoot themselves well basically shoot themselves or surrender. but if it's a terrorist situation, that's not going to occur. if it's a terrorist situation with an active shooter, a mall or something, they're going to wait until the police take them out. >> from the fbi study i was just reading, i've been working on this subject a lot, it's usually people who have mental health issue. again, we don't know details involved of who this gunman is if it's just a single gunman. i can tell you, it's a very chaotic situation because there are reports of another incident nearby this facility and again, these are very early reports. so it's not clear if it's just a coincidence, if that's an erroneous report. i think that's the navy yard shooting in washington, d.c. several years ago. that was only one shooter with mental health issues but the early reports based on eyewitnesss indicated there may be as many as three shooters. so very chaotic at this point. what we do know is the
washington post is reporting about 7:45 p.m. two dozen military clad officers with rifles entered the census campus and began sweeping through the parking garages and lots. shortly before 8:00 p.m. i'm told three small explosions could be heard. again, those three small explosions could be flash bang grenades, tactical unit could be using to clear a room. >> i'm concerned you're saying there's a incident close by. if one incident is a diversion for another incident. >> i was just interviewing the chief of police in washington today for another story i'm working on. when there's an incident in one place, the police force immediately starts to look all around for any other potential connected incidences. >> i'm glad they're doing that. you don't know if this is a diversion in one location and hoping that all law enforcement goes to one location and then the real attack occurs at another location.
>> or if a potential gunman left one area and now somewhere else -- >> exactly. >> there's a lot of different alternatives. it's very interesting though in these active shooting situations how police forces since columbine, even the mumbai attacks started to change their tactics. prior to columbine, it used to be standard that local officers on the scene secure the perimeter, make sure no one gets out or potential victims go in wait for tactical unit or s.w.a.t. team. now because of as you said most of the killings in the first couple of minutes, they now believe you've got to in. you can't -- >> yes, i understand. if a police department has, let's say you can't wait for the perimeter to be closed out and wait for a tactical unit because during that time 50 75 people might be killed. myself as an officer, when i responded to a shots fires, i would go right in. i wouldn't wait for back-up,
just go right in. that's what the officers do. you have to eliminate the threat as fast as possible. >> in the navy yard shooting i think back to several years ago in washington, d.c. the washington, d.c. police force learned a lot from. when you look at the initial officers who went into that building there were d.o.d. officers there were local police there were bicycle cops still in their bicycle helmets and shorts when went in there because time is really of the essence. >> exactly. it's important also a lot of these locations where there's a lot of people. they need to coordinate with the police department and say, okay this is what we've got to do. let's have a plan in the event there's an active shooter attack. how should you respond, we respond and work together so in the event it does happen we have the least amount of people injured as possible? >> again, if you're just joining us we have very scant information. what we do know there has been a shooting at the census office
in maryland. a security guard said to have been shot and wounded. he has been taken to the hospital. we don't have the identity obviously, of that person. tactical units are certainly on the scene. the number of local media "washington post" and other people eyewitnesss on the scene reported hearing some bangs. that's the word described to me as. a series of three bangs. don't know if from the gunman or flash bang grenades. joining us cnn producer angie yak. you're on the scene. explain what you know and what you have heard and scene. >> hi anderson. about a block and a half away from the sun trustcensus bureau. we've seen officers on motorcycles and vehicles coming to the building. we're a block away. can't see what's happening at the building. there's a metro half a block away. they are stopping people coming
off the metro and heading in that direction. >> there was an initial report about or at least a chaotic scene nearby on i don't know if there had been another incident. do you know anything about that? >> i don't have any information about that. that was on 8th street. we're in suitland maryland outside of washington, d.c. i believe the other incident was in dc near the union train station. >> so it's not clear whether, a, the nature of that incident was or if it has any relation to this and again, i do think it's important to reiterate often the early reports one gets even from eyewitness es are often incorrect or have a kernel of truth but sometimes it takes a while for the details to be noun. harry houck, thank you. angie, thank you. continue to bring you yumts as warranted. more tornadoes touching down in at least three states. the latest from chad myers when
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harvard area there. these have been large wedged tornadoes, wind speeds of 130 to 150 miles per hour. here they are now east of rockford moving to the northeast. grand prairie hit very hard by a tornado and also just to the west of rochelle hit hard. we know there are damage and injuries in that area. farther to the south, more weather popping up. these storms are not dying down. in fact they're still getting stronger as we talk right now. so down to the southern part of illinois all the way down toward longview texas. we have had tornadoes on the ground. there's the storm near woodstock, not the town itself. rockford, rotation to the east of you farther south to the east of even st. louis now picking up some storms. any storm tonight anderson that starts to rotate has nothing to fight with. these are individual cells, they are super cells and they begin to rotate in this atmosphere and we have large tornadoes on the ground. and will continue to have them. a lot of the night will be here watching them but you need to
take precautions yourself if you live in any of these areas, you need to have the radio on. if not, find an app for your phone to wake you up. this is going to be a dangerous night tonight anderson. >> this is important. conditions exist, could be more tornadoes tonight. >> typically, at nighttime, the storms go away. but we have an upper level piece of energy coming in cooling off the upper atmosphere and that air down to the surface still wants to rise. so the cooling off of the lower atmosphere the l cooing off of where we live is doing nothing to slow these storms down. in fact they're still getting stronger right now. >> chad thank you very much for that. coming up next want to change pace here. make you smile a little bit before the end of the night. mike rose bullfighting adventures part of series somebody's got to do it that premieres at the top of the hour. mike joins us here next. nds of things. but what if that thing is a few hundred thousand doses of flu vaccine. that need to be kept at 41 degrees. while being shipped to a country where it's 90 degrees.
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rowe's new show of "somebody's gotta do it." showing us unique jobs. tonight, the art of bullfighting. i spoke to mike rowe earlier. all right, so in the first episode of the new season you train as a bullfighter. now, when i first heard this i was wondering, a matador like you're dressed up. that's not what it is. >> no. >> this is one of the guys who goes in there to distract the bull when somebody falls down? >> once upon a time they were called rodeo clown bus in the bullfighting world, it's much more specialized and it's a whole lot more serious and these guys are, they are the unsung heroes of the sport. you fall off the bull and you'll be trampled or gored if somebody doesn't run in to distract it and that's what you do. >> how do you protect yourself during that? it's like a 2,000 pound bull. >> it's a two-part process. first part you turn and then you run.
that was my strategy. >> very technical. >> thank you. >> you've done a lot of crazy stuff. were you terrified? >> a little more than usual. it's my state of terror that is home yo homeo static. i'm not normally petrified but always a fish out of water. so it takes me a couple minutes usually to get my head around it and then once i got it i was sufficiently adreen liezed. >> is that a word, adreen liezed? >> i don't use that on the air. homeostatic. that's my new word. >> part of the valua. >> you go to a chocolatier. that sounds much more i'm up for that. >> right. honey get in here. he's making chocolate. no the idea -- >> do you go directly from the bull thing to the chocolatier? >> no i went to the hospital.
even though the whole bull chasing thing turned out okay and this happens all the time. the thing you worry most about never gets you. but 20 minutes after that the steel mechanism on the latch that controls one of 65 different pens in which the bulls are stored swung loose and smashed my little finger. exploded. >> are you serious? >> yeah, took my fingernail off. in a way that made me make a high pitched sound like a little girl and then -- >> they edited that out? >> no they cut it into the promo. you know what you guys do it leaves bleeds. put that in there. i turn to the bullfighter and have you seen something so horrific and frank looks at me and holds up his same hand half the finger is gone and said, that looks when like it stung. >> that was fun.
thank you. mike certainly has an interesting job. never dull. that does it. season 2 of "somebody's gotta do it" starts now. stick around. i'm mike rowe. and i'm on a mission to find people on a mission. on a scale of 1 to 10 how much do you like what you do? what are they doing? how are they doing it? and why? >> make things that make people smile. >> it's very freaking exciting. >> we got to get him! >> very determined. but tonigh